From "Trump orders classical and traditional architecture for federal buildings" (Yahoo, passing along something from WaPo).
Justin Shubow, "the head of the National Civic Art Society [who] helped draft the order," taking the position that this wasn't a political issue, reminded WaPo about the time Barack Obama "accept[ed] the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008 in front of classical Greek backdrop. 'Whoever was stage-managing understood that this is how Americans think of the presidency. They do associate it with classical architecture.'"
I'd say that shows that it is a political issue. Obama was being political. It was not that he shared the ordinary American's taste for traditional architecture, but that he was trying to influence Americans to see him as belonging within the tradition that he and his handlers presumed they believed in. He wasn't elected yet, but, as we all saw at the time, he was acting as if he was already ensconced in the trappings of power.
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Yes it IS political but I read the statement as combating the inevitable TDS reaction and communicating they weren’t selecting partisan architecture. These are not GOP buildings…but we’re not going to have the goofy crap where the new post office is a political statement on climate change ir abortion rights. No Pink Hat Post please..:
This is how you know Trump is not doing retribution. If he really was trying to avenge himself, he would plant the ugliest postmodern monstrosities possible in the middle of blue cities. RR, JSM
It would be funny as hell, though, if Trump deliberately went as lefty as possible in his decor choices. What if the press came into the Oval Office one morning and found it totally redone in Kinte cloth, with Trump behind the Resolute Desk in a fan-backed rattan chair, wearing a dashiki? Or if he gets Frank Gehry to do the new ballroom in swooping sheets of stainless steel? Or he closes his next rally, not with YMCA, but with norteno music as he dances around in a cowboy hat and boots? Or if he redoes the East Room in all white and has a white party with all his and Melania's gay friends? Of course, we know the answer to the last one: all the headlines would say "Trump Starts White Party." RR, JSM
I asked ChatGPT to visualize the Afrocentric Oval:
https://chatgpt.com/s/m_68b2e0ca5ffc81918f585187d2cb81a4 - RR, JSM
Speaking of Obama's taste in architecture, have you seen pictures of his presidential library under construction? It is the most oppressive piece of Soviet Brutalism that I have ever seen. A real ugly middle finger to its Chicago neighborhood.
He wasn't elected yet, but, as we all saw at the time, he was acting as if he was already ensconced in the trappings of power.
What does Trump’s EO say about styrofoam columns?
Trump is all about empty appearances and counterfeit significance. Trump has no substance to offer, his play acting and turbulent assertions and ceaseless executive orders the stumbling performance of a (bad) ham actor. But...he's cunning enough to know his base is easily moved and tricked by his cheap lies, and disturbed by a changing world, the familiar swiftly receding from them. Who gives a shit about "classical" architecture today? What purpose or meaning does it offer? Those who most vent over such matters have no clue, other than a certainty that any variation from what they expect or are used to must be a trick...on them...a sign of the deterioration of and theft from them of the world they know, the destruction of the appearances of reality (as contrasted from real reality) which comfort them as a pacifier soothes the inchoate fears of a baby.
Yes, it’s political. And that’s fine. No matter how much we describe the standards, ultimately they are subjective. That’s inevitable and even good so long as it’s to the public’s taste, which it seems like it finally will be.
Could this also be an indirect response to
#TearThemDown
#RemovalStatues
#RemovalMonuments
#TakeEmDown
#StatuesMustFall
Robert Cook said...Who gives a shit about "classical" architecture today?
Your posts used to be so much more thoughtful; you were the one of the few Althouse lefties who didn’t sound like a dumbass all the time.
What happened?
"He wasn't elected yet, but, as we all saw at the time, he was acting as if he was already ensconced in the trappings of power.
What does Trump’s EO say about styrofoam columns? "
now can we talk about that classical origins behind the seal of the office of the President Elect"?
Obama and he damned tricknology.
"He wasn't elected yet, but, as we all saw at the time, he was acting as if he was already ensconced in the trappings of power."
Was this before, or after, he got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing?
Barack Obama was born in Kenya. He was not qualified to be the President of the United States and our entire government has been involved in a decades long acting session, pretending that he's one of us. He's not. He's as fake as those styrofoam columns the white people who put him in office threw up to trick American idiots.
In downtown Boston, "Government Center" I think it's called, as a brutal looking building, hulking and looming over the city, with baleful lines and a grey color that just says "Don't even bother trying to get justice here." You go to a city like Aix en Province and the center of government is such a pleasant building.
We are not a poor country, we can build what we like.
Public architecture is always political. The US built traditional Greco-Roman official buildings until well into the 20th Century. This was an allusion to ancient Greek philosophy, careful planning, and served as a reference to science drive that followed the European Enlightenment.
Similarly, the USSR, Germany, and Italy used 20th century official buildings to communicate their power and visions. The USSR put a ton of money into train stations and subways, as their political control followed from the railways, and trains resulted in unavoidable state publicity for the masses.
The mid 20th Century had the ugly "modernism" (now Brutalism) fad, and everyone except the designers hated it. Then, the post-modernists broke function in to pieces and turned buildings into non-functional jokes (e.g., see France's inside-out Pompidou center).
So, Obama 2008 and Trump 2025 merely return to millennia of traditional government building standards. "If columns were good enough for the Greeks and Romans and Founding Fathers, they are good enough for us."
It is political, but a universal and a non-issue.
"Been there, done that," said Hitler and Mussolini.
"Don't even bother trying to get justice here."
In the Halls of Justice, the only justice is in the halls. - Howie Carr
An Order Against Brutalist Eyesores.
Hitler was a vegetarian too, and he loved dogs.
Perhaps Trump is just inviting all the devotees of brutalism and other post-modern schools to weigh in on how popular their designs have proven to be, how much they strike a chord with the voting public. Maybe this is just another opportunity to stake a hard position on the matter. (crickets)
Remember that Trump's order is taking a stand against political forces that have pushed a different kind of architecture that supported their view of government. This is like the issue of tariffs. You can't get away from the issues that surround international trade just by eschewing tariffs, for example, that's just taking sides. It's the same with architecture, if you leave the existing trends in place, you are taking sides. Count me on the side that enjoys beautiful architecture.
In downtown Boston, "Government Center" I think it's called, as a brutal looking building
…as an undergrad my school had winter session what was an opportunity to enjoy campus in a less intense environment than regular semesters. The classes were low key fun and I took one called ‘Responsible Architecture’ where we visited various winners and losers in Boston and Cambridge. One of them was City Hall in part for the Brutalist building but also to visit what was called Boston Redevelopment Authority. The building is indeed Brutalist shit- hot in summer, cold in winter, leaky, self-destructing…ugly. Surprisingly BRA seemed rather functional and we learned all about the logic and reasoning of city planning. I suspect all those responsible have retired or been sacked in favor of leftie virtue and promotion. It is reflected in the city…
Jaq said...
In downtown Boston, "Government Center" I think it's called, as a brutal looking building, hulking and looming over the city, with baleful lines and a grey color that just says "Don't even bother trying to get justice here." You go to a city like Aix en Province and the center of government is such a pleasant building.
We are not a poor country, we can build what we like.
8/30/25, 7:06 AM
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Boston City Hall looks like a parking garage. It is cold and unwelcoming.
Google “Old Boston City Hall” and compare. It is like comparing Vienna to Bucharest under Ceausescu.
I fully support Trump in this endeavor.
Thank you for your attention in this matter.
If your idea of acceptable architecture is some structure with a bunch of decorative doodads pointlessly affixed to the structure, youre simply being childish. Function drives form in a rational architecture. If you disagree it’s because you’re wrong
Great architecture combines form and function. You don't have pick one or the other. Creating beauty is not pointless.
Like Popeye, you can hear disdain for Brutalusk architecture in the mumblings of my inner monologue.
"Brutus" (often pronounced "Brutusk" by Popeye) appears in the 1960–62 Popeye the Sailor television cartoons with his physical appearance changed, making him obese rather than muscular.
"If you disagree it’s because you’re wrong"
That's what the screenwriters believed when they created the "Rey" character in that Star Trek reboot. If you can't work your design to be both beautiful and functional, well, like Harry Chapin said in that song about the baritone: "Another line of work may be in order."
We could ask ChatGPT to design a building consisting entirely of stacked boxes, after all, which would be the most functional form, in most cases, and any other effort put into the design, offsetting the boxes at an increased cost, for example, is really just another kind of "doodad."
Why put windows in large windows in the executive offices? Aren't they just doodads?
Daniel Patrick Moynihan got around.
I should think with the shrink-the-deficit goal there would be cancelation of federal construction, not redesign. Los Angeles County recently responded to the post pandemic downtown office glut by purchasing a major tower for housing workers in anticipation that current county space will be functionally obsolete because of earthquake safety requirements. The federal government could also look to the depressed office market in many cities.
In downtown Boston, "Government Center" I think it's called, as a brutal looking building, hulking and looming over the city, with baleful lines and a grey color that just says "Don't even bother trying to get justice here."
Boston, for whatever reason, seems to have entirely rebuilt its municipal buildings during the brief Brutalist tenure. See
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/brutalist-architecture-boston for some ugly and unwelcoming stuff.
BTW, lonejustice's comment is an actual example of "whataboutism," in case anybody is wondering what the real thing looks like.
If trumpworld is turning its considerable muscle to ignite a classical revival, hooray for that. Modernism has ruined everything. There are plenty of architects out there at the forefront of restoring beauty to buildings, viz. Duncan Stroik. “Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, pure, lovely, gracious…if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, let us dwell on these things.” Philippians 4:8
The Democrat Party is all about empty appearances, empty platitudes, endless lectures and demanded loyalty to their mob bosses...
The democratic party is a brutalist form of architecture.
fify - Cook.
Nothing wrong with Neo-classical Architecture.
"Speaking of Obama's taste in architecture, have you seen pictures of his presidential library under construction? It is the most oppressive piece of Soviet Brutalism that I have ever seen. A real ugly middle finger to its Chicago neighborhood."
It's more of a monument. Seems like a tombstone. It's a monolith with writing on it. But the most striking thing about it is it isn't a presidential library at all. The "Obama Presidential Center" does not contain a library at all. The only "library" will be digitized documents available only on line
The other not surprising thing about the strange and ugly temple to Obama - is the price tag over-run.
Speaking of Brutalist:
Kier Starmer is just an American Soros Progressive.
The people are speaking out! Love. It.
Speaking of Brutalist. The Islamic male rapists were allowed into the UK with a wink that they could do as they please as long as they vote the correct way.
Kier Starmer(D) built the rape factory.
Check out Barack’s Presidential Library. Disaster!
Good! There is no good reason for public buildings to be so ugly. It's choice. They don't have to be neo classical. I am happy with Romanesque, Early Gothic, Gothic, Perpendicular, Baroque, Georgian, Victorian, as well as those included by President Trump. No more Brutalist!
In Des Moines a few years ago, there was a prime piece of downtown real estate on the river where the old YMCA had been torn down, between the high-rise business district and facing the golden-dome capitol building on the other side of the river. The city wanted to use this real estate for some beautiful high-end condos to increase downtown living space. However, the old Federal Courthouse (Classical Revival, built of Indiana Limestone) was slated to be torn down, and there was some sort of first-right-of-refusal by the Federal government for any land becoming available in the downtown area for a new Courthouse. The city pleaded the Feds to build elsewhere (a courthouse can be build anywhere), but they swooped in and took over this prime real estate for another government building project.
The new building is a glass-and-concrete box with an awkward curved front, and has unadorned concrete columns on the front that make it look like it’s up on stilts. The sign at the new courthouse proudly proclaims that it was erected during the Biden Administration.
There is video in the UK of Police protecting gangs of Islamic Males walking around with weapons. Weapons like Machetes.
These Islamic gangs are looking for young white girls to grab and RAPE as an initiation to teach younger Islamic males how to have "sex". The UK Police are protecting the Islamic gangs and arresting anyone who might protest against the Islamist gangs. Total insanity.
Perhaps Obama can build a temple for Kier Starmer?
The commie-block brutalist architecture of the 50s-70s, the most flagrant examples of which are the FBI Headquarters building and Boston City Hall, is intimidating and depressing. And was intended to be.
Good riddance. It's time to start dynamiting every government building that was designed to be a monument to the Deep State and a threat to the public. A shame we can't leave the occupants inside while we do it.
Peachy: Tommy Robinson's big London demonstration is coming on September 13. This will be a turning point one way or the other. RR, JSM
@Hassayamper: "The commie-block brutalist architecture of the 50s-70s, the most flagrant examples of which are the FBI Headquarters building and Boston City Hall, is intimidating and depressing. And was intended to be."
Don't forget the HUD headquarters building in D.C. --- a big unfinished-concrete dog bone. True nickname: "Ten floors of basement."
UC San Diego found a way to turn Brutalism into something interesting. A very rare example:
https://www.oceanlight.com/spotlight.php?img=14775
Lefties DEMAND the continued building of soulless concrete blocks for Federal offices.
Thank God for another 20% issue to pounce upon sez the herd of the unhinged.
Impeach that damn Orange Man.
"Peachy said...
There is video in the UK of Police protecting gangs of Islamic Males walking around with weapons. Weapons like Machetes.
These Islamic gangs are looking for young white girls to grab and RAPE as an initiation to teach younger Islamic males how to have "sex" "
I have never seen these videos, Maybe you could post some links or post a link to a story about these gangs. I'm sure there are gangs. I just wonder about these claims that police are assisting the gangs in grabbing girls off the streets - while videoing the whole operation. Maybe not?
Wildswan 10:07-
The police are on video protecting the Islamic gangs from the people who are protesting the Islamic gangs.
I will search for the video. I recall it from a few months ago.
As far as video of the police standing by while Islamic males take young brit children - I don't know if that exists. Remember - youtube scrubs stuff.
But the ritual of Islamic males raping non-Islamic children - is real.
Youtube already removed the video of the Trans Catholic School murderer that showcased his gun clips.
Doesn't fit the narrative(D).
Democratic /Kier Starmer voters
80 20 issue. screw them
"It's more of a monument. Seems like a tombstone. "
Tomb of the Unknown Asshole.
Why are Trumpists making architecture political? Why are they pushing dead white male architecture?
Mating calling of the illogical Libtard.
I wish I had thought to include the implied inscription "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
The semiotics of domination are what our betters want from their architecture. Trump is a man of the people, he's Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School. What other President would buzz the Daytona 500 in Air Force One? But for the tiny cabal which arrogantly plays the role of conquerors, and treats us like a conquered nation, like Starmer is doing to the British right now, any expense, the benefit of which goes to the common people is wasted, of course. They can install themselves in the most sumptuously appointed and furnished homes and offices, but why waste beauty on the common man, who only understands brute power? Anybody who doesn't believe this is wrong!
Wildswan.
this is what I found so far.
wildswan:
Violent mobs of armed Muslims roam English cities attacking anti-immigration protesters as police watch on
I have the opposite opinion. I think our public building should look like prisons. Narrow windows high up. unadorned concrete floors and walls. Stainless steel bathrooms.The cheapest least appealing architecture to keep the people who take our tax money from building monuments to themselves. The parking lots should be gravel.
The Obama's homes all appear to be traditional rather than modern in appearance. I don't understand the Obama library which is unusually ugly.
Cookie: Who gives a shit about "classical" architecture today? What purpose or meaning does it offer?
You really have gone around the bend. Listen to yourself. Get a grip.
I have the opposite opinion. I think our public building should look like prisons. Narrow windows high up. unadorned concrete floors and walls. Stainless steel bathrooms.The cheapest least appealing architecture to keep the people who take our tax money from building monuments to themselves. The parking lots should be gravel.
Well, that's a valid point.
I very much agree with Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit, who has long demanded that all the politicians and government functionaries babbling about climate change be forced to set a good example by removing the air conditioning from their Washington palaces. Let them face August in D.C. with nothing more than fans and swamp coolers.
I challenge all of you who deride Trump's initiative to provide an example of a brutalist or modernist public building that you like. And then ask yourself why this will be another 80/20 issue.
Enigma found one (although nobody who works there has an office with a window). (Also I don't mean to suggest that Enigma is deriding Trump's initiative).
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