August 22, 2025

"The White House published a list of Smithsonian exhibits, programming and artwork it considered objectionable..."

"... on Thursday, one week after announcing that eight of the institution’s museums must submit their current wall text and future exhibition plans for a comprehensive review. The list borrows heavily from a recent article in The Federalist that objected to portrayals at several museums. It argued that the National Museum of American History promoted homosexuality by hanging a pride flag; overemphasized Benjamin Franklin’s relationship to slavery in its programming; and supported open borders by depicting migrants watching fireworks 'through an opening in the U.S.-Mexico border wall.'...:

I'm reading "White House Lists Smithsonian Exhibits It Finds Objectionable/The Trump administration highlighted material dealing with topics like sexuality, slavery and immigration" (NYT).

Here's that official list put out by The White House.

Most striking item on the list: "The National Museum of African Art displayed an exhibit on 'works of speculative fiction that bring to life an immersive, feminist and sacred aquatopia inspired by the legend of Drexciya,' an 'underwater kingdom populated by the children of pregnant women who had been thrown overboard or jumped into the ocean during the Middle Passage.'"

Notably out of context item on the list: "An American History Museum exhibit features a depiction of the Statue of Liberty 'holding a tomato in her right hand instead of a torch, and a basket of tomatoes in her left hand instead of a tablet.'" There's an image of it, and it looks like really bad art — amateurish junk. But here's the Smithsonian's description of the object and why it is in the collection:
Farmworkers from Immokalee, Florida carried this papier-mache statue in a two-week “March for Dignity, Dialogue, and a Fair Wage,” in the spring of 2000. Tomato pickers and their supporters traveled 234 miles by foot from Ft. Myers to Orlando. They hoped to be heard by the powerful growers who employed them and by a larger public concerned with human rights and the dignity of labor. Largely composed of Mexican, Haitian, Mayan, and Guatemalan immigrants, the Coalition of Immokalee Workers (CIW), brought attention to unsafe working conditions, poverty-level wages, and other abuses. The figure of a tomato-picking statue of liberty, carried along the highways on a truck flatbed—and at times on workers’ shoulders--dramatized the workers’ claims to the American promise of opportunity and a decent life.... Constructed on a base made of materials from a hardware store, the statue uses a large swath of painter’s cloth to create the draped gown of the iconic original. She holds an actual bucket used in the tomato harvest, filled with papier-mache tomatoes with felt leaves attached. Green paint evokes the patina of the statue in New York harbor; brown-toned skin and dark hair reflect the identities of the majority of CIW members.

102 comments:

Peachy said...

Pride flags are so tired.

Peachy said...

Those are not exhibits - they are leftist narratives and leftist propaganda.

Leland said...

Mayans?

tim maguire said...

depicting migrants watching fireworks “through an opening in the U.S.-Mexico border wall.”

Much wrong with this--for one thing, if they are on the other side of the wall, then they are not migrants. Not yet, anyway. If they cross, they will be illegal aliens. (Why else would they be looking through holes in the wall?) So why are these people in Mexico in the American History museum?

Now that you've explained what's going on, I like the Statue of Liberty and hope it gets to stay.

john mosby said...

Were the tomato pickers illegal? If so, there's a chance to use the exhibit for good instead of evil, by turning it into an expose of how illegal migrants are exploited. Then coordinate it with an AfAmHist Museum exhibit of how black working men's wages drop when you import competition, and how black children's education suffers when you dump TESL students into their school system.

The intersectionality of the right!

Could have a lot of the same pieces with different explanatory placards.

RR
JSM

Ann Althouse said...

"they are leftist narratives and leftist propaganda"

The list identifies propaganda in the interest of forcing other propaganda. The argument is that the Smithsonian should present pro-America propaganda.

Tit for tat is everywhere these days.

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"The National Museum of African Art displayed an exhibit on 'works of speculative fiction that bring to life an immersive, feminist and sacred aquatopia inspired by the legend of Drexciya..."

I shan't be satisfied until The National Museum of African Art displays an exhibit that brings to life an immersive, feminist and terrifying experience inspired by the factual historicity of the Kingdom of Dahomey.

Jupiter said...

"underwater kingdom populated by the children of pregnant women who had been thrown overboard or jumped into the ocean during the Middle Passage."

I'm not following. How can a kingdom be populated by clumps of cells?

john mosby said...

I would give black spec-fic or sci-fi a chance, as long as it's not outright kill-whitey revenge fantasy. Have to encourage minorities to dabble in genres associated with white nerds. And if it's got black heroes, villains, antiheroes, victims, etc - the whole range of characters - it helps destroy stereotypes. And the film version will let black actors show their range.

RR
JSM

Dogma and Pony Show said...

I guess we're expected to be outraged that the WH is weighing in on what's appropriate and what isn't, rather than leaving it to the folks running the Smithsonian to make those judgments. But if these are government entities, then it should be expected that the head of the government can control them. If they want them to be able to govern themselves, then make them private. In other words, this is the tradeoff if you're against "small" government.

Kevin said...

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.

Perhaps it's an attempt to show there is more than one side to a story. Recognizing that is necessary to enable the search for truth.

Peachy said...

1:34- John Mosby -

I like it.

Smilin' Jack said...

“ Largely composed of Mexican, Haitian, Mayan, and Guatemalan immigrants, the Coalition of Immokalee Workers (CIW), brought attention to unsafe working conditions, poverty-level wages, and other abuses.”

And now Trump is giving them free passage back to the workers paradises they came from. Never mind a Nobel Prize, call the Pope! The man deserves sainthood!

Peachy said...

I want my history straight up - without the biased chasers from anyone on the right or left.

Mr. D said...

The issue is imprimatur - the Smithsonian encompasses art, history, cultural artifacts, science and technology, and I'm sure more. And because it is a national institution that is tied to the government itself, it has significance far beyond other museums or historical societies. Great power and authority invites scrutiny, or at least it should. Should we continue to support the indulgences of our cultural preceptors? Trump and his supporters have their doubts.

I suppose we could provide a separate facility for all the indulgences; perhaps once Bondi finishes clearing out the Brutalist FBI building and moving the denizens to Fort Wayne and Wichita, we could move all the "works of speculative fiction that bring to life an immersive, feminist and sacred aquatopia inspired by the legend of Drexciya" and suchlike into Comey's old office, and if there's other stuff it could go where they kept the burn bags.

Wince said...

...brought attention to unsafe working conditions, poverty-level wages, and other abuses.

One could easily argue that illegal immigration is a mechanism that enables "unsafe working conditions, poverty-level wages, and other abuses."

n.n said...

Trump excels at bringing conflicts, issues to the forefront where they can be resolved in the light, where previously they progressed in darkness under duress.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

There's an image of it, and it looks like really bad art — amateurish junk. But here's the Smithsonian's description of the object and why it is in the collection:
Farmworkers from Immokalee, Florida carried this papier-mache statue in a two-week “March for Dignity, Dialogue, and a Fair Wage,” in the spring of 2000


IOW, it's pushing left wing politics. Fuck them.

They can have 1 thing that supports the Left for every 2 items pushing a pro-MAGA / pro-conservative Republican agenda.

Since that second # is currently 0, that's how many things they can have supporting the Left

n.n said...

Micro or macro aggression? A midget or smidget of controversy? Toxic? Supremacist? Blacks enslaved and sold by their brothers and sisters. Politicians and activists in sanctuary states as accessories before the fact. Sexism ie genderism? A fetus... feature, baby, maybe.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Tit for tat is everywhere these days.

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.


1: As support for the Left is the low road, destroying support for the Left is an attempt to elevate things
2: When there is no one who can enforce the rules, tit-for-tat is the only possible response.

So if you're upset about tit-for-tat, take it out on the Leftist hat set out to destroy all the rules and standards that got in their way

Dave Begley said...
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Daddy Binx said...

"Give me your Monterosa, your Azoychka,
your huddled Beefsteaks yearning to breathe free."

Big Mike said...

Tit for tat is everywhere these days.

@Althouse, you do get that mathematics does not care at all about your personal sense of right and wrong, correct?

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.

We don’t really know that, do we? We know that it is an effort to get us off the “everything America does is wrong, even if turns out right” track. The opposite of that is not necessarily “everything America does is right, especially if done by Republicans.”

John said...

I thought this was the sort of thing that they were objecting to:

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/07/JF-US-AFRICAN-AMERICAN-COMP-02.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1

Jim at said...

The fact the left is screeching about their propaganda being removed is proof it didn't belong there in the first place.

Peachy said...

The leftists who run the show - find The American Flag - offensive.

Peachy said...

Mr. D -
Thank you.

Mark said...

Orwellian

Peachy said...

n n - 2:10 (n n two ten)

Yes indeed.

RCOCEAN II said...

The Left lives by the motto: Everything is politics. Refusing to understand that, won't change them. You got 2 alternatives, accept that everything is politics and push Conservative Pro-American politics, or let the Left rule.

RCOCEAN II said...

The Smithsonian is supposed to be "Pushing" American values and pride in American history and culture. Not the opposite. Unfortunately, the Right is full of philistines who dont understand why anyone would care about anything except money. Oh, and football.

"Let them thar long hairs, waste their time with all that artsy-fartsy stuff". Politics is downstream from culture. And politics ultimately means $$.

mtp said...

Per Althouse: "The argument is that the Smithsonian should present pro-America propaganda."

Why should a museum funded by the US Government balance pro-American and anti-American views? Any US citizen is free to open his own anti American museum.

Josephbleau said...

I went to Normandy for the first time in May and saw 15 or so great museums. I could not believe the level of detail and the quality of the artifacts. I can make out French text mostly and the descriptions were quite play by play. Heroism is best presented unembellished, it deserves dignity. I was impressed. European schoolkids were everywhere, and polite.

And the exhibits were actually non judgmental, just facts, a bit more anti German programming in the big place in Caen.

I would like our museums to be that way. Factual and less emotion.

Birches said...

The Smithsonian's explanation doesn't make the tomato Statue of Liberty fit any better. It's silly activist stuff that real immigrants don't care about.

Josephbleau said...

And the scallops, Coquilles St. Jacques, are perfect at the beachfront cafes.

John J said...

Those making the trek must not have been able to read traffic signs in English.

There are 134.55 miles from Fort Myers to Orlando in northeast direction and 153 miles (246.23 kilometers) by car, following the US-17 route.

Missed it by that much.

Florida Native
JJ


rehajm said...

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.

…these are lame arguments to perpetuate the bullshit…and stop calling it tit for tat. You haven’t seen tit for tat. Yet…

n.n said...

Critical History Theory

ga6 said...

OK II now we understand; all philistines will now raise their right hands and beg your forgiveness.

rehajm said...

It’s interesting the blogger has discovered the term tit for tat today. I see an Althousian, leftie-style attempt to define the term in derogatory ways, as if it’s an unsavory or counterproductive strategy. It can be defined as simple retaliation but that’s not what’s happening here. What we’re witnessing is Alinsky style make them live by their own set of rules. I’m enjoying it and I suspect many (most) people who voted for Trump are appreciating it as well…more to the point tit for tat is an optimal game theory strategy where you mimic your opponents move with an identical move of your own. The shit will keep flowing until the other side learns to cooperate. They won’t…

rehajm said...

I eagerly await the Smithsonian’s celebration of depictions of working class Americans being crushed by Democrat politicians raining taxpayer dollars on NGOs sent to the third world to entice foreigners to immigrate illegally with the promise of an American middle class lifestyle. THAT would be some tit for tat…

n.n said...

Call immigration reform what it is: Democratic gerrymandering, labor arbitrage, "burden" replacement. Transatlantic slavery was a legacy of African culture (Black Supremacists, elitism) exported through discovery.

tommyesq said...

I shan't be satisfied until The National Museum of African Art displays an exhibit that brings to life an immersive, feminist and terrifying experience inspired by the factual historicity of the Kingdom of Dahomey.

Particularly with some emphasis on just whosold them into the middle passage in the first place.

As to the Tomato SOL, it is a relic of a relatively recent, completely unnoticed labor dispute among private individuals and private businesses, not worthy of inclusion as it appears to have impacted nothing. If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there to hear it, is it worthy of the Smithsonian?

Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

Nearly the entire popular culture of the Nineties, Aughts, and Teens has been largely unmitigated rubbish, built on the premise that art should CHALLENGE !!! ... rather than inspire, comfort, and encourage.. Pig piffle from Boomers and wannabe Boomers.

JK Brown said...

This is not anything new among government academics/scholars. I've been watching this exhibit at the Library of Congress for at least two decades

A Letter to President Woodrow Wilson
In 1913 President Woodrow Wilson introduced segregation into federal government agencies. Black employees were separated from other workers in offices, restrooms, and cafeterias. Some were also downgraded; others discharged on fictitious grounds. Oswald Garrison Villard met privately with President Wilson to recommend the appointment of a National Race Commission to counter the new discriminatory policies. When President Wilson refused, the NAACP released this open letter of protest to the press. Segregation in the federal government persisted through the next three Republican administrations.<.i>
//www.loc.gov/exhibits/naacp/founding-and-early-years.html#obj20

Note how they obfuscate by putting "Republican administrations" in the blurb. Careful not to point out that Wilson was a Democrat or that the segregation Wilson did to the federal workforce wasn't discontinued until Truman and was in force under Democrat administrations for far more years than Republican.

Low quality scholarship on exhibit.

chuck said...

Is there a disco exhibit? A history of the rise and fall and rise of bell bottom pants? I would argue that both have more cultural significance than a minor labor dispute.

Christopher B said...

italico

Immanuel Rant said...

So we're only allowed tit -- no tat?

I mean, sounds racy for a museum, but if it is for art's sake . . . .

Iman said...

Southern Democrats and their slavery and Jim Crow.

bagoh20 said...

America is the high road, and that's the truth.

Mason G said...

"What we’re witnessing is Alinsky style make them live by their own set of rules."

And the left is crying like a bunch of little girls about it.

Iman said...

Geeze, I forgot about Southern Democrats and their KKK. How Republican of me!

RideSpaceMountain said...

Ann Althouse said, "Tit for tat is everywhere these days. It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth."

There's an old axiom in military science: "The enemy gets a vote."

Tit for tat - like military science - is implicitly tied up with game theory, and game theory is about winning and losing. Truth has nothing to do with it. There is no 'high road' in a world where the woman who called half the country "deplorable" also promulgated the Steele dossier while wiping government-owned emails from her bathroom-stored hard drive 'with a cloth'.

What I've just described above are the actions of an enemy. An enemy that pays lip service to 'the high road' and decorum and precious norms and other such bullshit, but an enemy operating on the fundamentals of game theory nonetheless. Millions of Charlie Browns got tired of Lucy yanking the football (changing the rules) at the last second. They will now face serious opposition on every single battlefield - especially the long-ceded 'cultural battlefield' - they choose to show up on. There is no safe place in game theory. People are always shocked to learn that the real world doesn't actually have any rules. Rules come from people, and woe betide rule makers that moonlight as rule breakers. They will be hunted.

Their enemy gets a vote. Their enemy voted. Their enemy likes what it voted for. Their enemy will be voting every single time at every single opportunity from now on. Maybe they'll remember "their enemy gets a vote" next time. Unlikely...but maybe.

bagoh20 said...

If the high road does not have American flags along it, what nation does it pass through instead?

bagoh20 said...

One thing is undeniable: Trump is destroying the American economy. Today was another disaster. At least it was if your TDS is still raging.

Peachy said...

Well, The Joe biden years were the saddest of sad tits.

n.n said...

Longitudinally? Canada is the high road, Mexico is the low road, and America is just right... the middle road.

n.n said...

And Alaska, there wasn't time to visit.

Peachy said...

For History sake - this image should be glued up big, in some exhibit - Call it The Hate Speech. </a<

FullMoon said...

Mentioned above.
At the same time, the slave trade began increasing in size in the coastal region through the Kingdom of Whydah and Allada and trade with the Portuguese, Dutch, and British. The Dahomey Kingdom became known to European traders at this time as a major source of slaves in the slave trade at Allada and Whydah.[5]

Mason G said...

"Their enemy voted. Their enemy likes what it voted for. Their enemy will be voting every single time at every single opportunity from now on."

The left is used to getting what they wanted when Democrats were in charge and getting a lot of what they wanted when Republicans were.

The left is now learning that what they want is not what everybody wants and are busy throwing tantrums over it. And by "tantrums", I mean trying to tear everything they can down because if they can't have it, they don't want anybody to have it.

Rabel said...

Titus was ahead of his time.

rehajm said...

I appreciate the mocking- tit for tat and all…

Ampersand said...

I have read quite a bit of American History, and during the 1960s the profession of teaching and writing about it was taken over by the left, then under the rubric of revisionism, and now under the banner of the identitarian left consensus in which people of European heritage, especially males, are the central villains, unless they are Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs, Robert Oppenheimer ... you get the idea.
Things are so badly skewed that a rewrite of the challenged exhibits will need to be a novel interpretation. I have no idea where they will find the historians they need.

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lonejustice said...

I'm waiting for the Trump Administration and his MAGA followers here approving a display at the Smithsonian which chronicles the positive aspects of slavery, and how Black people were better off under slavery then they are now. And that we should re reconsider bringing back Black slavery in America. There are numerous commentators here on Althouse Blog who would approve of this.

effinayright said...


If it's a bunch of contemporaneous radical leftist woke propaganda, what's it doing in a "museum", anyway?

Why not put that dreck in the National Gallery of Art across the Mall?

boatbuilder said...

Probably asked already--but if things are so horrific (or were so horrific in 2000) why did they "immigrate? And why don't they "emigrate?"
And why do they feel the need to give the finger to the country they "immigrated" to?

Mason G said...

Democrats are the party of slavery, not Republicans. And they're still not happy about losing their slaves- just look at all the "But who will pick the crops?" wailing since the Trump Administration began deporting people who are in the country illegally.

effinayright said...

Note further, there's also a National Museum of African American History and Culture located right there on the Mall.

How much more does this country need to do to address the reality of American slavery? I suspect Joy Reid and her ilk won't be satisfied unless thousands of whites march through DC whipping themselves with barbed wire and rusty chains to atone, for things they never did.

FormerLawClerk said...

"'I'm waiting for the Trump Administration and his MAGA followers here approving a display at the Smithsonian which chronicles the positive aspects of slavery ..."

Labor agreements - known as indentured servitude - have lifted man out of poverty for centuries. People willingly entered contracts to "sell" their labor for things like room and board or to receive other barter arrangements.

In times of famine or natural disaster, it was not uncommon for people to sell their labor to a landowner in return for food, shelter and protection. This was seen all over Africa and early European tribal areas. These are all positive aspects of what YOU call slavery.

Today, we call this: working.

Sometimes, warring tribes in Africa would fight ... when one side would lose the war, they became involuntary slaves - required to work off their debt for having waged the war. This led to the reduction in war among tribes. A positive aspect of slavery.

Many people throughout history have traded their labor for material things. We call this: debt.

You call it: slavery.

rehajm said...

his MAGA followers here approving a display at the Smithsonian which chronicles the positive aspects of slavery, and how Black people were better off under slavery then

…we’re not into that whole slavery thing- that was Democrats back in the day and the present day ones who need 20 million new voters…some tit for tat Smithsonian displays would be AOC’s severed head in a jar of pee from the urinals in a baptist church or her fat droopy Lucian Freud body slouched on a couch or just a plain Koons/Chuck Schumer bbq with raw meat and cheese on the grill…

boatbuilder said...

The argument is that the Smithsonian should present pro-America propaganda.

Tit for tat is everywhere these days.

It's not an effort to get us onto the high road. It's not a search for the truth.


Wrong. The argument is that the Smithsonian, an American institution funded by American taxpayers should not be presenting anti-American agitprop. Period.

If it's a "search for truth" then none of this crap belongs anyway. Was whoever put these exhibits in objectively grading and evaluating the "truthfulness" of these exhibits?
Doubtful.

lonejustice said...

I wonder how many of our Forefathers wore baseball caps in the Oval Office.

Lyle Sanford, RMT said...

In all the slavery discussion, I keep waiting for someone to mention the etymology - "Middle English: shortening of Old French esclave, equivalent of medieval Latin sclava (feminine) ‘Slavonic (captive)’: the Slavonic peoples had been reduced to a servile state by conquest in the 9th century." (apparently mostly by Arabs) - and that Jefferson went after the Barbary pirates who were slavers. All that works against the evil white people narrative.

G. Poulin said...

Tired of the attempts to posit some kind of moral equivalence between Left and Right. No. Right is right and Left is wrong. We don't need to balance them. We don't need to be "fair". We need to destroy the power of the Left. The sooner the better.

Randomizer said...

The Smithsonian Institution is one of America’s greatest assets.

That's what the Federalist says, but what is the Smithsonian for?

The Smithsonian should present the best of America. Don't lie, don't fabricate and don't argue both sides. Show us at our best. Other museums and institutions can give the nuanced view.

boatbuilder said...

I'm waiting for the Trump Administration and his MAGA followers here approving a display at the Smithsonian which chronicles the positive aspects of slavery, and how Black people were better off under slavery then they are now. And that we should re reconsider bringing back Black slavery in America.
Well, keep voting Democrat and perhaps you will get your wish.
Are you that ignorant of history?

RideSpaceMountain said...

lonejustice said, "I'm waiting for...his MAGA followers here approving a display at the Smithsonian which chronicles the positive aspects of slavery..."

Such a display that chronicles the positive aspects of slavery has already been posited, it is called The Factual Historicity Of The Kingdom of Dahomey. King Ghezo loved slavery. He said, “The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery."

I approve of such a display. It's historically accurate, something the Smithsonian should be in the business of. It is "the truth".

Tina Trent said...

I was living part-time in tomato town, Ruskin, Florida, as I had done for thirty years, when this gang showed up. They weren't laborers: they were Soros-paid Ivy League trust-fund brats and some colorful local agitators. All bullshit. The actual laborers work a few weeks a year for planting, harvesting, and burning the plants, then get generous public bennies for most of the year. Shame on the owners and the government. And the lying laborers.

narciso said...

the dahomey militia is what they based the dora milaje of wakanda, which curiously speak in the xhosa dialect of Azania I mean South Africa, also back when the baseline essays were in vogue, which spoke of the glorious Ashanti and Songhai kingdom they were also slave trading powers, it was Baden Powell who later founded the boy scouts who put the Ashantis out of business, them of the kenti cloth,

narciso said...

Jim crow was worse, because it seemed to make moot the sacrifices, 6 million in modern terms, of the Civil War, but this was the Democrat instrument, from Pitchfork Tillman to James Eastland, the last a colleague of Joe Biden and one time mentor, or we can refer to Fritz Hollings who first flew the stars and bars as a sign of resistance, after Brown,

Iman said...

“I wonder how many of our Forefathers wore baseball caps in the Oval Office.”

You are a daffy bastard, bonecrusties!

Tina Trent said...

And that's the historical truth, Althouse. I produced a 100-year archive of the town, including agricultural history and my knowledge of the larger region around Wimauma and Immokolee, and the activist groups actually involved in the protests. You can see some of it on the Hamilton College Collection of Utopian Communities, if anyone doubts me. Before we threw open the borders, legal pickers with green cards could earn citizenship. They are the people most opposed to these activists and their false narratives and benefits frauds.

narciso said...

Glenn Beck reminded me, that after the victory of the 36 olympics ,FDR maybe out of personal animus as he had for the Japanese, or plain cowardice would not meet with him, a generation later he was a spokesman for the State Department, in the Johnson era, including the 68 olympics, when John Carlo and Tommie Smith made a spectacle of themselves with the black power salute, (this was also the olympics where the Mexican govt did not crown itself in glory, as much as they reproach us,

Mason G said...

"I wonder how many of our Forefathers wore baseball caps in the Oval Office."

Not as many as presidents who got blowjobs there, probably. Did you have a point?

narciso said...

the previous regime seem to install the 1619 fable as a foundational principle, to replace 1776 in the public mind,
if you dissolve the foundation on which a countries identity rests

narciso said...

the Times seem to make every day 1619 on their mast head, as if that matter is the be all and end of America, of course the tentacle of that blood libel are even worse,

Mason G said...

"if you dissolve the foundation on which a countries identity rests"

Importing millions of people who have no interest in the country or its identity aside what they can grab for themselves doesn't do much for the foundation, either.

narciso said...

there was certainly an analog period say 1845-1920, when mass immigration ensued, but the schools and other institutes assimilated the newcomers,

RCOCEAN II said...

"Jim crow was worse, because it seemed to make moot the sacrifices, 6 million in modern terms, of the Civil War, "

This is wrong. The North, or at least most of it, fought the war for the Union and to end slavery. Nobody in the North was willing to start Civil War Part II over "Jim Crow". And if "Jim crow" was such a horror, blacks could have left the South en masse. Some did leave. But most stayed and suffered under the "Horror" of Segregation.

Discrimination isn't the same as being "Owned" by someone. And having the fruits of your labor stolen by someone else.

narciso said...

it was a terrible black mark on the promise of freedom, would African Americans have even entertained Marxist sympathies without that indecent interval

Mason G said...

Did those people riot and protest this country while waving the flag of their homelands and collecting money and benefits, paid for by Americans?

effinayright said...

@ Former Law Clerk:

It is downright PERVERSE to argue that indentured service, a voluntary relationship for a specified term of years---even if dire circumstances led one to enter it---had anything to do with the violent capture and involuntary shipment, under horrendous conditions, of millions of people forced to work for nearly nothing, for the rest of their lives.

And who risked death or severe beatings if they tried to escape their masters.

If you'd like to tell us about entire plantations comprising indentured servants as workers in early America, please feel free.

narciso said...

no that was the era before the Welfare State, was made manifest,

Lazarus said...

Slavery was indeed terrible and one can't avoid mentioning it, but if the history museum isn't promoting national unity and keeping us from going for each other's throats, why are we paying for it?

Mason G said...
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narciso said...

you're familar with Conquest's Law,

Mason G said...

"but if the history museum isn't promoting national unity and keeping us from going for each other's throats, why are we paying for it?"

Now, do USAID and NPR.

Waitaminute...

Gunner said...

I would agree with the White House about everything except the ugly Statue of Liberty with tomatoes. It seems like a harmless piece of minor modern American history.

MikeD said...

Wondered what our hostess's opinion would be. Didn't have to scroll far to see, "it's all good if it fantasizes the woke is truth".

Aggie said...

To me, this crap is in the category of Things That Are Going To Fix Themselves once Washington DC 'gets its mind right', in the immortal words of The Captain. There are a lot more people that need to be let go and invited to move elsewhere before this will start to happen. I'd rather this Administration was using its powder on bringing indictments and winning cases, but I know these things move slowly.

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