Said Vladimir Putin, quoted in "Here's the transcript of what Putin and Trump said in Alaska."
It's also important that Alaska has to do with our common heritage, common history between Russia and the U.S., and many positive events have to do with that territory. Still, there is tremendous cultural heritage, back from the Russian America, for example, Orthodox churches, and a lot of- more than 700 geographical names of Russian origin.
I don't remember ever seeing the term "Russian America," but it is a standard term referring to the Russian colonization of America, which lasted from 1732 to 1867. Read about it in Wikipedia, here. The Russians were into fur trade and the Russification of Alaska Natives. The Tlingit fought to expel the Russians in the Battle of Sitka:
But Putin doesn't mention how Russia lost Alaska. Maybe he still thinks of it as rightfully belonging to Russia. Look at the map. Geographically, it may look like manifest destiny from his point of view. Trump visualizes Canada (and Greenland) as somehow, in the future, uniting with us. Why wouldn't Putin think the same about Alaska?
But Putin doesn't recount any such dream. He jumps ahead to the 20th century:
During the Second World War, it was here in Alaska that was the origin of the legendary air bridge for the supply of military aircraft and other equipment under the Lend-Lease Program.
We were friends, not long ago.
It was a dangerous and treacherous route over the vast emptiness of ice. However, the pilots of both countries did everything to bring closer the victory. They risked their lives and they gave it all for the common victory. I was just in the city of Magadan in Russia. And there is a memorial there dedicated to the Russian, the U.S. pilots. And there are two flags, the U.S. flag and the Russian flag. And I know that here as well, there is such a memorial. There is a military burial place several kilometers away from here. The Soviet pilots are buried there who died during that dangerous mission. We're thankful to the citizens and the government of the U.S. for carefully taking care of their memory. I think that's very worthy and noble. We'll always remember other historical examples when our countries defeated common enemies together in the spirit of battle camaraderie and allyship that supported each other and facilitated each other. I am sure that this heritage will help us rebuild and foster mutually beneficial and equal ties at this new stage, even during the hardest conditions.
Beautifully articulated basis for friendship. We love flags and monuments. We venerate the war dead. The idea of a foundation for building may have been chosen precisely to appeal to Trump, the builder.
It is known that there have been no summits between Russia and the U.S. for four years, and that's a long time. This time was very hard for bilateral relations, and let's be frank, they've fallen to the lowest point since the Cold War. I think that's not benefiting our countries and the world as a whole. It is apparent that sooner or later, we have to amend the situation to move on from the confrontation to dialog, and in this case, a personal meeting between the heads of state has been long overdue, naturally, under the condition of serious and painstaking work, and this work has been done.
In general, me and President Trump have very good direct contact.
He was speaking Russian so I don't know why the translation has a grammar error.
We've spoken multiple times. We spoke frankly on the phone. And the special envoy of the president, Mr. Witkoff, traveled out to Russia several times. Our advisers and heads of foreign ministries kept in touch all the time, and we know fully well that one of the central issues was the situation around Ukraine.
We see the strive [sic] of the administration and President Trump personally to help facilitate the resolution of the Ukrainian conflict, and his strive to get to the crux of the matter, to understand this history, is precious. As I've said, the situation in Ukraine has to do with fundamental threats to our security. Moreover, we've always considered the Ukrainian nation, and I've said it multiple times, a brotherly nation. How strange it may sound in these conditions. We have the same roots, and everything that's happening is a tragedy for us, and terrible wound. Therefore, the country is sincerely interested in putting an end to it.
At the same time, we're convinced that in order to, to make the settlement lasting and long term, we need to eliminate all the primary roots, the primary causes of that conflict, and we've said it multiple times, to consider all legitimate concerns of Russia and to reinstate a just balance of security in Europe and in the world on the whole, and agree with President Trump, as he has said today, that naturally, the security of Ukraine should be ensured as well. Naturally, we are prepared to work on that.
I would like to hope that the agreement that we've reached together will help us bring closer that goal and will pave the path towards peace in Ukraine. We expect that Kyiv and European capitals will perceive that constructively and that they won't throw a wrench in the works.
I wonder how you say "throw a wrench in the works" in Russian. ChatGPT tells me he said "«ставить палки в колёса» which translates literally to “place sticks in the wheels.” I'm told that's a common expression in Russian.
They will not make any attempts to use some backroom dealings to conduct provocations to torpedo the nascent progress. Incidentally, when the new administration came to power, bilateral trade started to grow. It's still very symbolic. Still, we have a growth of 20%. As I've said, we have a lot of dimensions for joint work. It is clear that the U.S. and Russian investment and business cooperation has tremendous potential. Russia and the U.S. can offer each other so much in trade, digital, high tech and in space exploration. We see that arctic cooperation is also very possible, in our international context. For example, between the far east of Russia and the West Coast of the U.S.
That sounds as though he's passing along Trump's ideas: We can do so well together in commercial trade. Pure Trumpism. Abandon what is bad because you are attracted to the good — the good of wealth and the beautiful things that we can build together.
Overall, it's very important for our countries to turn the page to go back to cooperation. It is symbolic that, not far away from here, the border between Russia and the US, there was a so-called International Date Line. I think you can step over, literally, from yesterday into tomorrow, and I hope that's- will succeed in that, in the political sphere.
Nice metaphor.
I would like to thank President Trump for our joint work, for the well wishing and trustworthy tone of our conversation. It's important that both sides are result-oriented and we see that the president of the U.S. has a very clear idea of what he would like to achieve. He sincerely cares about the prosperity of his nation. Still, he understands that Russia has its own national interests.
Prosperity for all. Why is it not possible?
I expect that today's agreements will be the starting point, not only for the solution of the Ukrainian issue, but also will help us bring back business-like and pragmatic relations between Russia and the U.S.
"Today's agreements" — he said "agreements," but the news reports I'm seeing say there were no agreements. Or is this the agreement, stated by Trump today on Truth Social: "It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up."
Back to Putin:
And in the end, I would like to add one more thing. I'd like to remind you that in 2022, during the last contact with the previous administration, I tried to convince my previous American colleague, it should not- the situation should not be brought to the point of no return, when it would come to hostilities and accept it quite directly back then, that is a big mistake. Today, when President Trump is saying that if he was the president back then, there would be no war, and I'm quite sure that it would indeed be so. I can confirm that.
I assume Trump pushed him to say that and to say it very clearly. Putin agrees with Trump's assertion — made many times — that if he had been in office, the war in Ukraine would never have happened. If that is a lie, what does it cost Putin to tell that lie? Why not puff up Trump, if that's what he's doing? In this context, it serves Putin's interests to give Trump that. I'm sure Trump knows it.
I think that overall, me and President Trump [sic] have built a very good business-like and trustworthy contact, and have every reason to believe that moving down this path, we can come and assume it better to the end of the conflict in Ukraine. Thank you. Thank you.
Businesslike. That suits Trump, I think.
Now, we hear from Trump:
Thank you very much, Mr. President, that was very profound, and I will say that I believe we had a very productive meeting. There were many, many points that we agreed on, most of them, I would say, a couple of big ones that we haven't quite gotten there, but we've made some headway. So there's no deal until there's a deal.
Does he agree that there were "agreements"? In a way he does not. He says there were "points" that were agreed on, but these are terms that would be part of the agreement that is sought, and you need agreement on all the essential terms. That is: there's no deal until there's a deal. That's businesslike.
I will call up NATO in a little while, I will call up the various people that I think are appropriate, and I'll of course, call up President Zelenskyy and tell him about today's meeting. It's ultimately up to them. They're going to have to agree with what Marco and Steve and some of the great people from the Trump administration who've come here, Scott and John Ratcliffe. Thank you very much. But we have some of our really great leaders. They've been doing a phenomenal job.
We also have some tremendous Russian business representatives here.
Business!
And I think, you know, everybody wants to deal with us. We've become the hottest country anywhere in the world in a very short period of time, and we look forward to that. We look forward to dealing- we're going to try and get this over with.
Come on everybody: Let's do deals. Business deals. Step over that line from yesterday to tomorrow and see that we all want deals and we can all get rich. And hot.
We really made some great progress today. I've always had a fantastic relationship with President Putin, with Vladimir. We had many, many tough meetings, good meetings. We were interfered with by the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. It made it a little bit tougher to deal with, but he understood it. I think he's probably seen things like that during the course of his career. He's seen- he's seen it all. But we had to put up with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. He knew it was a hoax, and I knew it was a hoax, but what was done was very criminal, but it made it harder for us to deal as a country, in terms of the business, and all of the things that would like to have dealt with, but we'll have a good chance when this is over.
Oh! He brought up the Russia hoax. It fits the context: Things to get out of the way so we can move fully into the project that is, if not the meaning of it all, the best mechanism for peace: Getting rich. ("PEACE is the natural effect of trade. Two nations who traffic with each other become reciprocally dependent" — wrote Montesquieu.)
So just to put it very quickly, I'm going to start making a few phone calls and tell them what happened. But we had an extremely productive meeting, and many points were agreed to.
There are those points of agreement again.
There are just a very few that are left. Some are not that significant. One is probably the most significant, but we have a very good chance of getting there. We didn't get there, but we have a very good chance of getting there.
He doesn't say want that one most significant point is.
I would like to thank President Putin and his entire team, whose faces who I know, in many cases, otherwise, other than that, whose- whose faces I get to see all the time in the newspapers, you're very- you're almost as famous as the boss, but especially this one right over here.
But we had some good meetings over the years, right? Good, productive meetings over the years, and we hope to have that in the future. Let's do the most productive one right now. We're going to stop, really, 5, 6, 7 thousand, 1000s of people a week from being killed, and President Putin wants to see that as much as I do. So again, Mr. President, I'd like to thank you very much, and we'll speak to you very soon, and probably see you again very soon. Thank you very much, Vladimir.
PUTIN: Next time in Moscow.
TRUMP: Ooh, that's an interesting one. I don't know. I'll get a little heat on that one, but I could see it possibly happening.
Nixon in China... Trump in Russia.
Thank you very much, Vladimir, and thank you all. Thank you. Thank you.
PUTIN: Thank you so much.
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…there are two islands only between the Russian Island and the U.S. Island. They're only four kilometers apart. We are close neighbors, and it's a fact.
In fact, Putin can see Sarah Palin, err, Tina Fey, waving from her kitchen.
If you don't want to be deceived by the New York media, there is another transcript from the source:
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/77793
Russia and the US are culturally natural allies except for the communists. On the good side, Russians don't have women voting ruining the country. The deal is the people don't deal in politics provided the leaders leave them alone.
That nice friendly comment jumped out at me. In other words…See how close we are geographically in case of a shooting war?
“Russia and the US are culturally natural allies…”
Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong.
Only Tina Fey ever said "I can see Russia from my house". Why perpetuate this falsehood?
Cue the "Putin's stooge" commentary in 3.........2.........1
It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in high stakes negotiating act like they are negotiation experts who know better than Trump. I urge them all to write their critical words on something tasty so they can eat them later.
"Wow, you couldn't be more wrong"
Evgeny Kissin Knight's Dance Prokofiev
Moscow audiences know when to applaud, by the way. Cultural intelligence.
Tina Fey was good in Admission (2013)
Google AI…
“While there are some areas of cultural overlap between Americans and Russians, significant differences exist in social norms, communication styles, and perceptions of personal space. Americans and Russians may find it challenging to understand each other's cultural cues, leading to misunderstandings.
Social Norms and Communication:
Smiling:
Americans are known for smiling at strangers as a sign of friendliness, while Russians tend to smile only when genuinely happy or interacting with someone they know.
Small Talk:
Russians generally find small talk with strangers awkward and prefer more direct communication.
Public vs. Private Space:
Russians tend to value close proximity during conversations, while Americans prefer more personal space.
Directness:
Russians are generally more direct and open about expressing emotions and opinions, whereas Americans may use more euphemisms and strive for a positive image.
Friendship:
Russians define friendship more deeply than Americans, often reserving the term for close, trusted relationships where emotional support is readily available.
Cultural Values:
Individualism vs. Collectivism:
.
American culture is often characterized by individualism and a focus on individual rights, while Russian culture, while diverse, can be more collectivist, with a stronger emphasis on national security and the state.
Perception of Authority:
Some observe that Russians may be more cynical about authority due to historical experiences, while Americans generally hold a more positive view of their government.
Cultural Exchange:
Despite the differences, there's a degree of cultural exchange between the two nations, with Russians enjoying American movies, series, and other media.
Many Russians and Americans find common ground in their openness to new experiences and their ability to learn from each other, despite cultural differences.
In conclusion, while there are areas of convergence, significant differences in social norms, communication styles, and cultural values exist between Americans and Russians, making it important to be aware of these distinctions to foster understanding and avoid misinterpretation.”
"We were friends, not long ago ..."
The United Stated doesn't have friends. We have interests.
“We were interfered with by the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. It made it a little bit tougher to deal with, but he understood it. I think he's probably seen things like that during the course of his career. He's seen- he's seen it all. But we had to put up with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. He knew it was a hoax, and I knew it was a hoax, but what was done was very criminal, but it made it harder for us to deal as a country, in terms of the business, and all of the things that would like to have dealt with, but we'll have a good chance when this is over.“
The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy? That does sound like a case for treason could be made.
I thought Putin sounded like Kamala Harris, but maybe the translation does that. He sounded delirious and unprepared in other words. Maybe Russia has a problem like we did with our last administration.
slight baseball digression- I have been enjoying the Bluejays this year, but I was disappointed to see last night's game locked up on Apple TV. I can't afford yet another streaming service though.
Bluejays had a great comeback win against Texas. Very fun team to watch. Almost as much fun as the Brewers. Almost.
Putin reminds me of US democrats.
Inag - really? - go splatter that AI crap on Maddow's account at blue sky,
It's hilarious listening to the American Democratic Corporate press. they are so filled with rage and anger.
'Trump didn't stop the war!'
He was speaking Russian so I don't know why the translation has a grammar error.
Probably the translator was trying to sound informal. After all, most Americans don’t know when to use “I” or “me”, either.
"Good afternoon, dear neighbor. Very good to see you in good health and to see you alive."
This has a similar, though much less extreme, feeling to Khrushchev's 'we will bury you.' Supposedly Khrushchev meant that more as in the long-sweep of history Communism will win out but Communists will still treat former Capitalists as accepted members of their community. After all one doesn't waste time burying people you don't care about. Putin's reference to health and still being alive comes off vaguely threatening though seems to be wrapped in care. Was this accidental or intentional? Something tells me the Kremlin of today better understands the connotations of American English than the Kremlin of the 1950s.
The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy?
How could it not? Just see the reactions to this day. If Trump has any conversations with Putin, it is seen as Trump being worked like a puppet. If there was any truth to it, then it would be horrific. As it is, Putin has the option to lean into it at any time to subvert actions Trump might take. Conversely, Biden was forced into the position of being in opposition to Russia. That also played into Putin's ability to convince his people that Ukraine moving into NATO would be a threat to Rodina.
'Trump didn't stop the war!'
You're the one who should be pissed off. He promised to end it in 24 hrs (and when he was on a roll, claimed he would end it even before he took office).
Looks like Hillary Clinton is going to recommend President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Freder - why? Your fraud Biden was on the clock when it started and he did nothing to stop it.
Great analysis. More informative than the NYT/BBC/NPR/CBS all put together.
Hey Rusty, I would really appreciate it if you would point out any factual errors that I make, I can’t seem to figure that out from just the name calling.
I got tricked into supporting the Iraq war, I trusted our leaders to have honorable intentions, I was wrong, we were following a plan written out in Brzezinski’s book, all of these wars, and the final part was to use Ukraine as the anvil on which to break up Russia. The book was written in the nineties, so don’t tell me that Brzezinski’s book is after the fact theorizing, he as bragged about talking Jimmy Carter into funding the Taliban in order to trigger a Soviet invasion. What would America do if Jihadis took over Mexico?
Feel free to point out any errors in this post.
As peace approaches lefties getting more hysterical. Join Hillary Clinton and Ukraine and Russia and the Republican Party and MAGA and, most important, President Trump on the Peace Train. All aboard.
Trump is manipulated more easily than a balloon animal at a toddler's birthday party.
Leland 9:37
THAT
The left's lies and treachery are Schitt-gifts that keep on giving.
Kak-a-poodle.
Oh do shut the fuck up.
Putin: It's good to see you're still viable after multiple attempts to perform human rites in Planned Presidenthood (PP). The Democrats selfie-identify as jackasses.
Trump: You, too. It has been a long Slavic Spring. Egypt survived the ethnic Spring. Israel, too. Britain is too early too call. Libya, she came she saw a "burden"... You know, feminists. Next year in the Congo where black lives matter again.
Get your bags together
Come bring your good friends, too
Our cause is getting nearer
It soon will be with you
And come and join the living
It's not so far from you
And it's gettin' nearer
Soon it will all be true
Oh, peace train soundin' louder
Glide on the peace train
Back in the 2000’s, Mrs. Dink and I hosted Russian school teachers in our home for 10 days. They were English teachers in their home country. We did this every year. A different set of teachers every year.
They had a shell that was hard to crack. But after a few days they would open up. They have a lot more in common with the US citizenry than you would think.
Our hosting concluded when Vlad the Impaler started flexing.
As an aside, I would ask them what surprised them about the U.S. Typically it was how friendly a people we were.
Inga’s song:
“Shall two knights never tilt for me
And let their blood be spilt for me?
Oh where are the simple joys of maidenhood?
Shall I not be on a pedestal,
Worshipped and competed for?
Not be carried off, or better st'll,
Cause a little war?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?
Are these sweet, gentle pleasures gone for good?
Shall a feud not begin for me?
Shall kith not kill their kin for me?
Oh where are the trivial joys,
Harmless, convivial joys?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?“
Time to get aboard the Peace Train, Inga
The Russians got as far south as California. No signs yet of a реконкиста.
Wondering where all those liberals who said in the Sixties/Seventies/Eighties that we'd have to learn to live with the Russians on our small and fragile planet went.
"The Russiagate hoax interfered with foreign policy, not just domestic policy?" Of course. First and foremost, because it told the Russians, who knew the origins of the hoax and understood the hoax as hoax, that the American elite was obsessed with domestic political warfare, lying publicly about an issue where they understood the Russians could see them lie, exposing themselves as completely cynical operators who did not care a bit about the democratic process in their own country or indeed about the country as such. And of course, they knew a big chunk of the elite was eminently bribable, from Clinton through Biden--they like money more than national loyalty. Chinese, same thing. Which put US at disadvantage.
RasPutin and Zelensky getting on the Peace Train.
Leaving all the haters behind.
It’s always the faulty leadership that creates or exacerbates the problems. They have Putin, we had the Lightbringer and the Demented one (and his host of Semi-Auto Pen grifters)
“Wondering where all those liberals who said in the Sixties/Seventies/Eighties that we'd have to learn to live with the Russians on our small and fragile planet went.”
Correction: not Russians but the USSR. Liberals liked them when they were Commies. Now that they’re no longer Commies, they must pay.
But the Peace Train is sounding louder.
Glide on the Peace Train.
Everyone knows that Al-Aska originally was Muslim. /jk
Goldenpause said...
It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in high stakes negotiating act like they are negotiation experts who know better than Trump. I urge them all to write their critical words on something tasty so they can eat them later.
8/16/25, 8:42 AM
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Trump is overrated as a negotiator. One need only look at his acquisitions of The Plaza, The Taj Mahal Casino, and the Eastern Airlines Shuttle for proof.
In each of those deals the bankruptcy of the properties was inevitable from the moment Trump signed the deals.
@AMDG. Now list Trump’s successful negotiations/ transactions. I’ll wait.
Scott Adams says Trump restored some world prestige to Putin, an asset built out of nothing that Trump can take away in an instant.
Putin forgot to mention Trump is his cock holster.
Remember how the Left thought that was hilarious? Are the walls still closing in on Trump?
I am waiting for more details to come out where we find out the concessions Trump secured.
“I am waiting for more details to come out where we find out the concessions Trump secured.”
Shorter Kakistocracy: War good. Peace bad.
AMDG said..........."In each of those deals the bankruptcy of the properties was inevitable from the moment Trump signed the deals. "
You realize that there are several different types of Bankruptcy.....right. (of course you don't) 7, 11, 13 and also 9, 12, 15
Some versions allow for corporate restructuring and be quite beneficial for the corporation and shareholder. It doesn't always mean that the entity is broke or goes out of business.
Filing for Chapter 11 as a business is a common practice
"Chapter 11 allows a business to reorganize, rather than liquidate, and is the second-most common type of business bankruptcy, with 8,456 business filings in 2024. A large business or corporation with assets that allow it to reorganize is more likely to file Chapter 11 than Chapter 7. Some successful examples are air carriers United, Delta, American; car manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler, as well as Marvel Entertainment, which declared bankruptcy in 1996, only to emerge to become the Marvel Universe.
Under Chapter 11, a business can protect itself from creditors while reorganizing operations, debts, and assets. If successful it re-emerges a few years later – often smaller, sleeker, more efficient, profitable – and creditors got a better return than they would have if the business had shut down and liquidated. If the Chapter 11 reorganization fails, liquidation is usually the next step.
"Shorter Kakistocracy: War good. Peace bad."
Oh, he has explicitly celebrated Ukrainians killing Russians, 'so we don't have to'.
It’s amazing how many people who have zero experience in business act like they are business experts who know better than Trump.
"Only Tina Fey ever said "I can see Russia from my house". Why perpetuate this falsehood?"
Because it's a joke.
So...nothing got accomplished, then? Okay.
When it was all said and done, Trump called Putin "the boss."
This is a teaching moment. Lefties are willing, in fact salivating, to sabotage any movement toward peace. They can’t even bring themselves to say, “It probably won’t work but if there’s a chance war in Ukraine will come to an end, then I’m all for it.” They can’t even say that.
Wilbur:
“The only thing [Trump's] mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin’s cock holster” was broadcast on the May 17, 2017 episode of CBS’s “Late Show With Stephen Colbert.”
That was only a Colbert joke. So very few folks heard it.
Vladimir Putin said something- one of the most interesting things. He said 'your election was rigged because you have mail in voting. It's impossible to have mail in voting & have honest elections.' He said that to me because we talked about 2020. He said, 'you won that election by so much'" ~ Trump on Fox News
I’m not even surprised any more. Same act, different day.
Trump primarily understands issues through the lens of real estate deals. Consequently, he struggles to grasp why Putin is obsessed with Ukraine for reasons beyond simple negotiations, as Trump is unfamiliar with those motivations and cannot comprehend why a deal cannot be made.
Without the trust fund — Trump would've been selling swamp land to suckers.
Nothing pisses off the left like peace and success. The closer you get to it, the more desperate they sound to stop it. You all really do prefer war to peace rather than let Trump secure that peace. That's just sick. It's a defective human spirit, and you have it.
I would be nothing but supportive if Biden or Obama were doing this, despite the fact I think they both are corrupt traitors to my country. Thousands of lives are at stake, maybe millions. Is this really what you are about, and publicly?
The fact that they're holding talks is not nothing.
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