Writes Ed Kilgore, in "America Would Be Better Off If Trump Won in 2020" (Intelligencer).
How many of you are getting ready to comment: What do you mean if?!
Anyway... Kilgore plunges into his fantasy. Excerpt:
A reelected Trump would not have had four years to plan a scorched-earth second term with audacious power grabs far beyond anything he tried from 2017 to ’21....
His heir apparent [in 2024] would have been a two-term vice-president, Mike Pence, a milquetoast low-charisma politician.... A defeated Joe Biden would have gracefully ended his political career in 2021. Kamala Harris would have suffered two debilitating losses in the 2020 presidential cycle, once as a presidential nomination candidate and once as a veep nominee; no one would have considered her a serious candidate for 2024.... The Democratic Party would not be defending record inflation, uncontrolled immigration, too much “wokeness,” a mismanaged withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all sorts of other problems. No one would be writing exposés about an aging Democratic president losing his grip but hanging grimly on to power. Democrats could have managed a fresh start and a likely 2024 win without losing ground with key constituencies or earning the bitter enmity of so many unhappy young people....
If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power. Good point, Ed.
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The Democrats have bifurcated, and it's only going to get worse. With the NYT actually attacking Mamdani, the far left is going to have to fight the oligarchy for any amount of power.
Would the Democrats have been better off with another four years of Pence? Obviously: but that's not the same thing as the country being better off. If anything most Trump voters are overwhelmingly happy with his domestic policy.
Yo Ed, you forgot a childhood maxim: “Cheaters never prosper”.
Or how about: “You made your bed, now sleep in it “.
The Democratic Party would not be defending record inflation, uncontrolled immigration, too much “wokeness,” a mismanaged withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all sorts of other problems.
Has he seen California? With the exception of the Afghanistan part, they still have inflation, uncontrolled immigration, too much wokeness, and mismanagement.
The MAGA faithful aren't going to actively give Democrats power. That's silly, of course.
But they're also not going to turn out for an administration that is protecting pedophiles. They won't talk Trump up to their friends because they don't want to be embarrassed. These are church-going upstanding members of communities all across the United States.
Not voting is a legitimate stance, even if the result of that is that Democrats take back the House. And that's exactly what is going to occur directly because of this issue.
Trump's mistake here will be fatal politically.
Picking on another of his counterfactuals, it wasn't just Kamala Harris on those debate stages with Biden in 2020, and she wasn't even the most significant opposition to his nomination. Bernie is still alive and kickin' in 2025, and would have potentially posed an even more significant threat to capture the nomination for the DSA wing of the party in 2024 after the ex-DLC (Clintons) failed to defeat Trump in two consecutive elections. Third terms for the same party have historically been potentially difficult but Pence might have been a sufficient contrast to Trump, as GHWB was to Reagan, to give him a win.
Scorched earth… audacious power grabs…
I think about what Joe Biden inflicted on the nation over four years, such as his destruction of the American border and his “whole of government” DEI race-quota orders. Whose power grab is more audacious?
There is no world where Joe Biden would have been graceful about anything.
The Democratic Party would not be defending record inflation, uncontrolled immigration, too much “wokeness,” a mismanaged withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all sorts of other problems.
Pence wouldn't have been, either.
I suspect the Democrats would have been forced to deal with the results of their COVID policies at the state level. Maybe they would be trying to make a scandal out of the vaccine results but absent the coordinated campaign to make them mandatory nationwide I don't think they would have gotten very far with it.
It really is delicious to see how the Dems are now being punished for stealing the election. Chinese too. They thought they were so fucking clever. And the lawfare didn’t work either.
The Dems and ChiComs picked the wrong guy to fuck with.
Cheaters never prosper! Cheaters never prosper!
“and all sorts of other problems”
Go ahead, Ed, take all the time you need—list them all. All sorts of Democrat problems. Biden’s mental decline? Covid lockdowns, mandatory injections? Ukraine screwup? Iran/Gaza screwup? Afghanistan debacle? Oh, you mentioned those? They bear repeating.
What Dave said x 2.
As if Biden never happened?
That POS and the Democrat Party are still around along with all the shiitte he/they created. Trump's trying to clean up the situation.
What Meade said x 2.
"If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power. Good point, Ed. " Touche, Professor.
Question for all the armchair economists here: how did Trump manage to run a $100B budget surplus last month? The OBBB hadn’t passed yet. How can our government run on a surplus?
Biden's White House physician recently testified to Congress. He refused to answer numerous questions about Joe's cognitive problems not on the basis of doctor/patient confidentiality, but on 5th amendment grounds against self-incrimination.
interesting
Trump will accomplish more for the country in this second term than he would have had his second term been consecutive. The people have the Democrat evidence of their eyes.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Question for all the armchair economists here: how did Trump manage to run a $100B budget surplus last month? The OBBB hadn’t passed yet. How can our government run on a surplus?
7/13/25, 7:47 AM
It's not $100 billion, and do your own research if you're this lazy. The surplus is a combination of tariff revenue and recording certain expenses in the previous month. The problem for Democrats is that tariffs and spending cuts bring the USA far closer to annual surplus than they want to admit.
I like our host's rewording: "If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power." It is so very of a piece with their laser-focus on messaging since the election.
I mean, if you're a political party with a platform of policies, I suppose it makes sense that you must continue to flog those policies; if you switch to the other party's policies, you're just... the other party. But what do you do when your policies fail repeatedly everywhere, when they immiserate people instead of lifting them into prosperity as you promised they would, when they increase dependency and mental illness, when they weaken communities and turn people against one another - apparently as a tactic, not even just as an unintended consequence?
Because that's where Democrats are sitting right now. No matter what they tell themselves about the intent of their many well-intentioned policies, they've been deployed often enough and widely enough that people can see with their own eyes what their actual results are. You can yell "JOY, dammit!" as loudly as you please, but when there's no observable joy to be found, what do you do?
The answer, apparently, is: deceive, or try to.
Corey Comperatore would still be with us.
The Dems just need better messaging. That's all it is.
Vice President JD Vance and his family are vacationing at the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim, which caused Governor Newsom to send out a churlish tweet:
Hope you enjoy your family time, @JDVance. The families you’re tearing apart certainly won’t.
My first thought was that the people trying to rebuild from the Pacific Palisades wildfire aren’t enjoying themselves a whole lot either — a wildfire caused in large part by Newsom’s insane forest management policies and exacerbated by the ineptitude of local Democrat politicians and the appointees of those politicians.
The latest numbers I have been able to find for the rebuilding effort say that of 360 applications to rebuild only 90 have been approved for 70 distinct addresses. That’s for a fire that happened a half year ago. Way to cut red tape Newsom!
“The Democratic Party would not be defending record inflation, uncontrolled immigration, too much “wokeness,” a mismanaged withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all sorts of other problems.”
This is a bizarre framing of the issue. That the problem is having to defend their destructive policies rather than lamenting having executed them in the first place. Just say the Democrats are basically confronting the fact that their policies monumentally suck.
Jamie at 753 - Bravo!
Good point Breezy.
Asking for a friend. With passage of the BBB:
..US Tax Code was increased/decreased by how many pages?
..Word count of carveouts/exceptions (for a subset of "all filers") increased/decreased by?
people can see with their own eyes what their actual results are.
Like real Communism, real Democratic policy has never been tried.
You got what you lied and paid for Ed.
Trump would have had to work through the later stages of the pandemic, and then work through the recovery. That would have been even less pretty.
On the plus side, he would not have had the debilating effects of 4 more years of age.
Perhaps a successful impeachment in 2023?
Kilgore is not entirely wrong. But this is the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of "political consultants" on full display. They work really hard, and of course profitably, to achieve ends that, "oopsie, that didn't go well at all" most of the time.
The country, and even the Democratic Party, would very likely have been in better condition today had Trump been reelected in 2020 over Joe Biden...."
The Democrats and the people that own them are going to regret mailing in millions of ballots after election day to install Joe Biden and the people who used him as a figurehead. You could have had Trump/Pence for 4 years and largely weathered the storm. Musk probably wouldn't have bought X.
But you did steal the the election and Musk did buy X.
Now it is time for you to pay for your hubris.
We'd probably still be thinking Pence was an OK guy if Trump had won. No doubt he would've run a weak campaign in 2024 and lost. And then moved on to what, the Senate?
Pence was like Bush 41, he did a good job as VP at camouflaging his true beliefs. Had Trump been re-elected, no doubt in the Primaries in 2024, he would've followed the Bush 41 playbook and posed as the "Heir to Trump". And given the 2024 version of the "Read my lips" speech at the Convention.
Thankfully, he outed himself on Jan 6th. And in the real actual 2024 primaries showed himself to be a bland boring John McCain type.
Hey mistakes were made by biden. But lets not dwell on that. Move on.org.
One of the biggest mistakes the Uniparty/Democrats made was in burning their spy Mike Pence as he betrayed his voters and "certified" that obviously corrupt election before it could be properly investigated.
This made it obvious even to the thickest Republican Voter that there was a column of traitors in their midst.
This doomed skunks like Desantis and Haley and any future attempt by the GOPe to run a doppleganger for president.
The Democratic mouthpieces are still clueless after all these years. The primary reason must be that they are very confident in the absolute power of their Davos billionaire paymasters and the combined espionage capability of the United States and Israel. Otherwise they would be looking to compromise and shapeshift into a kindler gentler more friendly version of the Trump revolution.
"If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power." LOL. Now exacerbated by four years of lying about Biden with MSM collusion, the post-Covid collapse of confidence in Dem "science," and the full exposure of the anti-Trump dirty tricks in 2016-7. But no-Joe would have been better for avoiding the multimillion invasion, now in need of expensive, wasteful cleanup.
The Dems FA.......now they're FO.
Actualliy what Trump is doing is cleaning up the debris from the mess that Biden left.
We had a President that was clearly mentally compromised the entire time and who facilitated an invasion of millions of foreigners, including many foreign agents from our enemies, while producing a foreign policy that increased conflict and and weakened our position in the world, all done by unelected unknown people, and some think reversing that is a bad thing? TDS is a national mental health crisis.
In totalitarian countries, the government controls the media. Here the media used to control the government,. That was before Trump. It's very hard for a WaPo writer to strike a pose and look world weary and informed about the sad vagaries of politics and people. The WaPo and its reporters are among the sad vagaries of politics and people.
William said...
In totalitarian countries, the government controls the media. Here the media used to control the government,.
No. It is more that the same people that owned the Politicians also owned the Media.
The most incredible fact about the events of the last 10 years is that Democrats have any support left at all. It's pure delusion built on obvious lies and emotional dysfunction.
Trump makes it appear easy to fix problems and balance the budget. Changes to the law were unnecessary to fix the border, improve trade, revive NATO, kill the DNC-NGO funding complex and balance the budget. All less than 6 months after taking office. Compare and contrast with the doomsayer posts on here and in DNC Media.
Actualliy what Trump is doing is cleaning up the debris from the mess that Biden left.
Don't overlook the contributions of Obama and Bush to the "mess."
All Democrats need is a little better messaging
Ed “Liver-Lips” Kilgore was here?
Humperdink, Leland and MJB Wolf comin’ on strong!
"it's like the Biden presidency never happened"
The Biden presidency *didn't* happen. The Neera Tanden / Ron Klain / etc Regency happened.
Cute that Ann trues to cut off criticisms at the pass but on eof those rare occasions where the premise is worthy of comment. Americans have spoken and rejected both the people and policies of the left so the correct response to the premise is: standing laches moot. HA! Got it in anyways…
"which caused Governor Newsom to send out a churlish tweet..."
People support deporting illegal aliens. Nice of Gov. Hairgel to keep the topic in the news.
"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." – Romans 8:28
Don't forget president auto-pen. We still don't the full scope of what transpired. Last I heard, there are questions as to whether Biden was even aware that auto-pen was issuing pardons.
While I enjoyed Althouse's final riposte to Kilgore's essay, I do think in a pure measurement of political power that Kilgore is 100% correct- it is very, very likely that had Trump finished his second term this past January a Democrat would be sitting in the White House today with both houses of Congress also Democrat-controlled.
I wonder if the 2020 election was similar to the 1976 election- an election that the Democrats would have been better off losing. Trump 2024 is Reagan 1980.
Rosie O’Donnell would probably be in the US right now if Trump finished his second term in January 2025.
"On the plus side, [Trump] would not have had the debilating effects of 4 more years of age."
You really want to go there?
The D’s could get a lot of success co-opting MAGA as Keynesian/MMT growth. Industrial policy? Yes. De-defunding the police? Yes, and lower the standards so you can get lots of black and brown recruits. Turn it into a jobs program. Same with increased border security. Every new border patrol station would be a nucleus for job creation in a Hispanic town. Even neocon wars: lower enlistment standards so it also becomes a jobs program (keep infantry standards high, but that’s not even 10% of the military). AOC can keep reciting MMT, and Bernie can keep saying it’s just like how the war pulled us out of the depression.
The D’s would need a Sista Soulja moment where they clearly break ties with their far left, though.
RR
JSM
bagoh20 said..."The most incredible fact about the events of the last 10 years is that Democrats have any support left at all. It's pure delusion built on obvious lies and emotional dysfunction."
Incredible and dismaying. It's all very tribal.
"a colleague commented that 'it’s like the Biden presidency never happened.'"
There are 10,000,000 ways in which this statement is not true.
We would certainly have been better off over the last four years if Trump had beaten Biden. Is the question whether Trump I or Trump II is better (or whether Trump II 2021 would have been better than Trump II 2025)? That depends on whether you want a quiet life or an era when much is ventured and much can be gained or lost -- the years of living dangerously or at least riskily.
Would the Democrats have been better off losing in 2020? Probably. Political waves break after about 6 years, and the other party retakes the White House in the next election. But the country needed a shake-up. Another Obama administration wouldn't solve any of our problems. Another Biden administration would just make many more. Trump II 2025 offers the possibility of a course correction. Trump II 2021 didn't.
"Donald's megabill" makes me think of the Disney character, and I can't see Kilgore's name without seeing the "Trout" after it.
His heir apparent [in 2024] would have been a two-term vice-president, Mike Pence
In the 220 years since the 12th Amendment changed the way VPs are elected, we have had 11 sitting VPs run for the presidency. 2 have been elected. That is a 78% failure rate.
I've asked this before and nobody ever answers: Why do people think that the VP is heir apparent to the sitting president? It seems like what Samuel Johnson said of second marriages "The triumph of hope over experience"
I hate to think JD Vance is the "heir apparent" to succeed President Trump. I like him a lot. He is eloquent, smart and has good ideas.
But he has no executive experience. He has never run anything. He is not qualified to be president. I fear he will be another Bush (an exception in that he did have executive experience). Elected in the warm afterglow of the Trump presidency without a serious look and unable to handle the job.
John Henry
"and I can't see Kilgore's name without seeing the "Trout" after it."
Me too!!!!
Trump: Let loose the American spirit! And so there was productivity. And the economy erupted with gay ambition. And the tax receipts followed.
Addressing labor and environment arbitrage, etc, was both humane and icing on domestic viability.
Telling…. Biden erasing Trump on day one. Normal. Trump erasing Biden legislatively “reactionary”.
Writes Ed Kilgore, in "America Would Be Better Off If Trump Won in 2020" (Intelligencer)
What do you mean if?!
How many of you are getting ready to comment: What do you mean if?!
Crap, you beat me too it. Mind reader...
Democrats
Are like a worn out shoe
Ain’t wet
But their world’s leakin’ through
"On the plus side, [Trump] would not have had the debilating effects of 4 more years of age."
"You really want to go there?"
Not meant as a dig, just a fact.
"4 more years" is a fact. "Debilitating" is an opinion or something else.
"it's like the Biden presidency never happened"
That's because Biden's handlers ruled by executive order. Trump had only to issue his own executive orders, and poof bye bye Biden admin. If they wanted lasting change, Biden's people should have found a way to work with Congress.
I'm glad to see Trump solidified some of his own executive orders with the BBB.
""Debilitating" is an opinion or something else."
It's a dig. And one unsupported by the facts. But one which some apparently think is necessary to try and bring equivalence with the sad spectacle of having a cognitively-impaired occupant of the White House the last four years.
"bagoh20 said...
The most incredible fact about the events of the last 10 years is that Democrats have any support left at all. It's pure delusion built on obvious lies and emotional dysfunction."
The support is media generated. Why in the world is their so much hate, not only for Trump, but for most commenters here and other Trump supporters?
Media generated and encouraged.
If MSM emphasized Trumps accomplishments and minimized failings, he would be hailed as one of the greatest.
Look how many friends and family members have stopped communicating with each other.
How many on the left believe, and are not afraid to say, people who live in red counties deserve to die with their children in floods?
It is not possible to hate the media enough.
“Elected in the warm afterglow of the Trump presidency without a serious look and unable to handle the job.”
Yet still infinitely preferable to whatever batshit clown the Donks offer.
“If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power. Good point, Ed.”
The absurdity is obvious but it’s not really absurd given the realities of American politics. If LIV’s don’t experience the pain personally they will, by default, do whatever the media tells them to do. Biden’s regime was like a necessary, if particularly nauseating, round of chemo.
"to try and bring equivalence with the sad spectacle of having a cognitively-impaired occupant of the White House the last four years."
Democrats: "Since we selected figurehead with dementia and just pretended he wasn't a turnip, we naturally figured our opponents were doing the same thing."
Projection- it's how Democrats roll, you know.
But for the Biden regime the corruption and unfitness of the Democrats might never have been laid bare. Not that it makes any difference to their amoral rank and file and the leftmedia, but we can still hope that a majority of American voters are sufficiently normal and upright to keep them in check.
I thought it was quite nice of the Democrats to do so much to "steal" the 2020 election when it was a given that inflation would be high in the wake of the cash flood during the "unpleasantness". Not to mention the recriminations as the screechers lost their volume and reasoned looks at pandemic policies would happen.
The Democrat party in the US, went the path of the Social Democrats in Germany a century ago
The Social Democrats were democratic only so long as they were not the ruling party; that is, so long as they still felt themselves not strong enough to suppress their opponents by force. The moment they thought themselves the strongest, they declared themselves— as their writers had always asserted was advisable at this point— for dictatorship.
----Mises, Ludwig von (1927). Liberalism
it seems like No One has mentioned; The BIG Difference.
IF Trump was President in 2021.. The BIG Difference would be,
that Democrats (particularly inga) would have been OUTRAGED at the Idea that those "vaccines" were anything, besides POISON!
Think about it? WHO pushed the "vaccines" through? TRUMP?
WHO did NOT fire Dr Fraudsi? TRUMP
If Trump had been President in 2021, the whole "vaccine" thing would have been 180 degrees different
Seriously, think about the people (here, there, Everywhere) that were ANTI-antivaccine? what do they ALL have in common?
they're ALL democrats
My stomach revolts at the prospect that, if he had won the 2020 election, what a horrible nation we would have had leading into 2024. The only positive would be that he couldn't have run in 2024 and we would have had a sane person in the White House, preferably a Democrat. What we hvae now is badness on many levels, with the ONLY saving grace is that the border is closed. Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness. And a mean old bully leading the charge. No civility anymore, only pompous badness and a propensity towards shaming, on the part of DJT, who should b the one shamed.
"with the ONLY saving grace is that the border is closed."
Wow.
Why, do you think, Biden didn't enforce the border?
Well, it seems like we can all agree that Biden was one of the most consequential presidents ever. So, in a sense, Biden was a president that could bring the country back together just like his campaign claimed in 2020.
Trump has misread his base a few times in the past — he bragged about Warp Speed on vaccines at a couple rallies and got ripped, but he backed off quick and stopped talking about it. But now he is misreading them on Epstein and farm worker visas — which aren’t trivial to them.
But then go on X and see how many are insisting that they 'trust Trump' and are now convinced the Epstein files were 'fake news planted by Obama and Comey.'
They're brainwashed. And they'll never abandon him. They brag about how they'll vote for him in 2028.
#kakiswack
I think the "plan" (as much as the dementia patient had a plan), was to turn off all the Covid stuff immediately upon Biden's taking office, take credit for the economy, and ride the recovering economy.
But in a great example of the left hand not knowing what the far-left hand was doing, it turned out that all the Covid propaganda that had been being spewed from June through November had been incredibly effective at frightening the middle-aged and elderly women who are the Democrats' power-base. So Randi Weingarten goes to Birx and "explains" that her teachers don't feel like actually working for another year or so, and the whole plan to have a rising economy falls apart.
The Biden people don't really resist, though, because they've convinced themselves that their little provoked riot on January 6 has solved their Trump problem and that if they just mail out enough checks to people, the lack of real economic activity won't be noticed.
But it WAS noticed, as the prices for food, auto-fuel, and home heating came close to doubling due to the inflation caused by all those checks being written with no $ behind them. And the rest is history.
“Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness.”
Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the wiggiest of ‘em all?
Miss Vickie!
People need to refer back to the Dark Brandon speech once in a while.
My tolerance for shambling's screaming at crowds is limited,
they are still treating bombdaddy with kid gloves,
If the Democrats try another 'Biden' one day.. then it will be their last pyrrhic victory... their party will be deemed not worth the cost.
The President Trump that we see today is a very different President Trump from the one we saw from 2017-2021. I think while he was out of office, Trump figured out how to be President. Also, the unprecedented lawfare attacks on him forced him to become tougher. The Democrats created the Monster that's tearing down their castle.
"If the Democrats try another 'Biden' one day.."
leftists all over (even those posting here) will cheer while confidently proclaiming "sharp as a tack".
Until they're instructed not to.
SSDD
So sorry your sweaty dreams of a perpetual democrat aristocracy fell apart.
"I think while he was out of office, Trump figured out how to be President."
I think he expected the politicians he was dealing with to want to get stuff done (you know- like they always say they do) when in reality, all they really want is to manage (not solve) problems in order to prolong their usefulness (the problems' usefulness, not the politicians).
Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness.
Yep. And it's all coming from the left.
I'm surprised that Kilgore didn't go full 'Man in the High Castle' with this one. Maybe he's working on a book.
“Aggressively reactionary’’? Only if you think the Biden Administration represented progress. Or Obama’s.
Icky Vicki, the original Little Old Lady from Pasadena says:
Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness.
Now imagine if Democrats hadn’t given Trump and his MAGA followers any reason to desire retribution.
And a mean old bully leading the charge. No civility anymore, only pompous badness and a propensity towards shaming …
As though it’s Trump’s fault that Democrats have reason to feel ashamed of themselves.
If only people didn't have the experience of seeing what Democrats would do with power, they might be more willing to give them power. Good point, Ed.
Ouch!
But yes, Trump spent his first term constantly getting screwed over by personnel, and would have spend a second consecutive term doing the same.
On the other hand, it would have been the "Trump vaccine", there would have been no vaccine mandates, and a great many old Democrats would have refused to take it, and thus would have died from Covid.
Oh, and the GOP would have won both GA Senate run-offs.
Let's add some more here:
1: Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine
2: Nord Stream II wouldn't have been finished
3: Keystone Pipeline would have been finished
4: KBJ wouldn't be on SCOTUS
5: None of "Biden's" judicial appointments would have happened
6: Afghanistan withdrawl would have been handled competently
“We My stomach revolts at the prospect that, if he had won the 2020 election, what a horrible nation we would have had leading into 2024. The only positive would be that he couldn't have run in 2024 and we would have had a sane person in the White House, preferably a Democrat. What we hvae now is badness on many levels, with the ONLY saving grace is that the border is closed. Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness. And a mean old bully leading the charge. No civility anymore, only pompous badness and a propensity towards shaming, on the part of DJT, who should b the one shamed”
Civility has to be earned, and the Dems lost whatever they might have been due with their prosecutions of Trump and the J6 defendants. This last week we saw a tiny portion of the State Dept staff fired, and there was gnashing of teeth and wailing by the Deep State as a result. His supporters wonder if it was even a good start.
As for vindictiveness, the bulk of those fired had earned it by betraying their oath of office by putting their own policy preferences, personal profits, party affiliation, etc above their Constitutional duty to advance the President’s goals. They were the Resistance, which was an admission of their Constitutional betrayal.
Cheaters never prosper! Cheaters never prosper!
The lesson they might learn is that impeaching your opponent multiple times, and then waiting until an election year to prosecute him for 88 felonies, while you call him rapist and Hitler every day, might not be a good strategy. It might be overkill that is so bad, even ordinary people notice what is going on. And so it might backfire spectacularly, and give your opponent strength. All your hatred and unfair attacks galvanize opposition. And he wins.
Republicans hated Hillary Clinton. Imagine if we had gone after her in 2019, and tried our damndest to keep her off the ticket. Imagine if we had prosecuted her for 88 felonies. And we had waited until the election was upon us to do it.
Then she would have run again, against everybody in the Democrat primary, and cleared the field. And she would have defeated Trump in 2020. That's what happens when you play the bad guy and don't respect democracy and our two-party system.
What Democrats might understand is that Trump was right not to go after Hillary. That one move, to be gracious in victory, is an obvious lesson they might learn.
Link doesn't seem to work, trying again.
What Democrats might understand is that Trump was right not to go after Hillary.
Otherwise, all i see is madness and chaos and vindictiveness.
Then simply stop staring at the mirror while you cry.
it’s like the Biden presidency never happened.
If only.
Saint Croix said...
What Democrats might understand is that Trump was right not to go after Hillary. That one move, to be gracious in victory, is an obvious lesson they might learn.
Except there are service members in jail for doing a fraction of what Hillary did.
Hillary stole SIPR data, reproduced it, distributed it to people without read on access, and destroyed evidence in the investigation afterward.
There are people in jail for years for doing this with 1 or 2 files. Bradley Manning got more than years.
But I guess you think that laws are only for the little people. That is the lesson we should learn from you.
When was Biden the acting president?
"like the Biden year never happened."
Fine, now he should spend the next year undoing all of Barry's work.
Ed Kilgore, whom I know of, but have only met his endorsers and enemies, covers my neck of the political woods as fiction or fantasy, not fact. To sound informed, he farts out Aimee Semple McPherson and other early 20th Century evangelicals one might find on a graduate student's reading list which nobody actually reads. I can't list his many fibs here, but they are legion from someone who claims to be "reporting from the ground."
Suffice to say, the ground does not look like some grotesquerie dreamed up by the sub-par novelist Carson McCullers.
I guess you think that laws are only for the little people. That is the lesson we should learn from you.
Why are you blaming me? I wasn't the one who decided not to go after Hillary Clinton. That was Donald Trump.
His political instincts are outstanding. Republicans were punished for going after Bill Clinton. Remember?
Democrats were punished for going after Donald Trump. Remember?
You have this fantasy of Hillary Clinton behind bars. Trump stoked your fantasies. But he was not serious. His graciousness upon becoming president is the way to do it. Biden's vindictiveness -- like yours -- is ultimately self-destructive.
”What Democrats might understand is that Trump was right not to go after Hillary. That one move, to be gracious in victory, is an obvious lesson they might learn.”
That maybe changing. The FBI is apparently investigating those involved in persecuting and prosecuting Trump, and there is talk of appointing a Special Prosecutor to investigate it as a Conspiracy (e.g. RICO), with perjury and lying to federal officials and Congress as the predicate offenses. Possibly also Throw in the RussiaGate and Mueller investigators and prosecutors, then maybe even Crooked Hillary and her campaign staff. Plus maybe the J6 prosecutors and House committee members. Wonder why all the interesting in the last minute Autopen signed Biden pardons? This is a good part of it - those pardons were to protect the top tier of this conspiracy.
What must be remembered is that there were a number of high ranking federal government officials who joined the Resistance. They put their loyalty to their cause above their loyalty to the President, and conspired to destroy him. Most of those here know that happened on a decently large scale. Then, they lied to protect themselves and prevent accountability for their actions.
This undermined the legitimacy of our Constitutional Democratic Republican government, where the President is given control of the Executive functions of the government. He, not they, was elected to wield this power. And this is so fundamental to our form of government that many at the top of the Trump (47) government feel that it is necessary, regardless of cost.
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