Said Jamie Lee Curtis, posing in wax lips and quoted in "'Generations of women have been disfigured': Jamie Lee Curtis lets rip on plastic surgery, power, and Hollywood’s age problem" (Guardian).
Obviously, the word “genocide” is very strong and risks causing offence, given its proper meaning. To Curtis, however, it is accurate. “I’ve used that word for a long time and I use it specifically because it’s a strong word. I believe that we have wiped out a generation or two of natural human [appearance]. The concept that you can alter the way you look through chemicals, surgical procedures, fillers – there’s a disfigurement of generations of predominantly women who are altering their appearances...."
And yet:
Curtis’s daughter Ruby, 29, is trans.... “I’m an outspoken advocate for the right of human beings to be who they are.... I’m a John Steinbeck student... and there’s a beautiful piece of writing from East of Eden about the freedom of people to be who they are. Any government, religion, institution trying to limit that freedom is what I need to fight against.””
I guess those Hollywood actresses with their chemicals and surgical procedures are not trying to "be who they are" but to be what they feel others want them to be. How "against plastic surgery" is Curtis? When is it "disfigurement"? When does she feel motivated to use the word "genocide"? One might feel inclined to say that each person is free to make their own decision, but when do onlookers judge them harshly? How do we know who is truly finding their real self in these medical cuttings and who is straining to conform to real or imagined societal expectations?
ADDED: Here's the question I was motivated to ask Grok: "Are trans women mostly attempting to look like beautiful women or is the goal simply to look like an ordinary woman (and to 'read' as a woman)? Or is it enough merely to feel, from their own perspective, that they are expressing their own personal idea of womanliness (or femininity) and not focused on what other people think of what they are seeing?"
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Simulants in the transgender spectrum. In a social progression, too.
She is the very model of a modern major actress.
Jamie Lee had a great rack back in the day. Sorry to deviate from my normal high mindedness, but, Lord!
She (both of ‘em) has a penis, so….
"Just an old country lawyer said...
Jamie Lee had a great rack back in the day. Sorry to deviate from my normal high mindedness, but, Lord!"
They're bolt ons.
The over-filled, over-stretched face with duck lips - it is a problem. It feels more like keeping up with the trend.. add a sad gray kitchen. Hollywood high school. Madonna.
A gentle face lift - to remove saggy skin?? - Reasonable to me.
... my conversation with a would-be surgeon would be - 'I don't want to look like I've had any surgery. '
But then what is the point?
Gendercide.
RH - wins an Oscar for his female-hating performance. Consistency. Whining. Bad mommy. Slow clap.
It's despicable to use the term genocide in such a manner. The whole purpose is to water down the meaning of the term until it is meaningless.
Do what you will with your own body on your own dime.
But expect that nearly everyone will make judgements about the work and you for having it done. Most won't say anything TO YOU about the work and what they think except to convey praise (sincere or not).
Have you seen the new commercial with Lisa Kudrow and Courteney Cox? If Kudrow's had work done, she's retained a natural look. But looking at what Cox has surgically morphed into kind of hurts, especially given how beautiful she was.
back in the day, actresses were considered to be the same as whores. There was a good reason for this..
Because They WERE!! and they still are.
Read this somewhere
“Girls transition because they don’t want the attention.
Boys transition because they do want the attention.”
Might be a little true.
Got a biker bar next to the lingerie store
That's got the Rolling Stones lips up there in bright pink neon
And they're right downtown where everyone can see 'em
And they burn all night
You know they burn all night
You know they burn all night
Lindsey said...
The whole purpose is to water down the meaning of the term until it is meaningless
now do Gaza!
She's no stranger to the knife. If she's against it because of her experiences, then she should be forthcoming. There's no doubt her career benefited from it. Otherwise, the interview seems a bit contrived, like taking a bath in her professional-strength 'personality'.
The fact this wasn’t a scolding correction of improper word usage means the topic is interesting…
Wax lips and the McDonalds/Pelosi brows. Great photo and not much of an exaggeration.
As if she didn’t ride those fine young tits onto the silver screen. Oh, wait! Maybe showing them off in Trading Places was critical to advancing the plot.
Yeef.
Jamie: Now do tats.
Me waggling my dick is my statement against Jamie Lee Curtis.
Lindsey, cosmetic surgery is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, too!
My wife broke a nail the other day — it was a genocide.
These days what Hollywood type doesn’t have at least one tranny kid? Autism is sooo 2022, and bipolar is passe.
No, it's not attractive women making themselves look like a cartoon of a hot girl, it's genocide. Is there anything left that isn't genocide? I was genocided twice this morning trying to get coffee. First a driver genocided right in front of my car, then the barista genocided my order. Genocide.
Everything that annoys or inconveniences me is the systematic eradication of an entire race. There are no other known natural phenomena.
Funny, the first victim who comes to mind is Glen Campbell. He looked hideous at the end.
But if you're in that business and don't get the work done you're slackong. It could affect your career. Like doesn't he care anymore? Doesn't he want to work?
“ This procedure is an essential procedure that Jamie Lee Curtis has undergone to enhance the fullness of her lips.”
My cousin in LA says everyone's getting plastic surgery now. Plus all the trans. Like you don't know what you're looking at anymore. I'm glad I moved to Montana.
Anyway, those lips are a riot.
I love the article:
“the genuinely outlandish and inspiring decision to wear her hair grey”
It’s outlandish. Genuinely.
"the genocide of a generation of women...by the cosmeceutical industrial complex . . . I believe that we have wiped out a generation or two of natural human [appearance]. The concept that you can alter the way you look through chemicals, surgical procedures, fillers . . .
Curtis’s daughter Ruby, 29, is trans..."
There you have it, the absurd gyrations of the prog mind--the casual invocation and subtly antisemitic devaluation of "genocide," the denial of female agency by blaming x "industry" for women's troubles, and of course the blatant contradiction between opposing "unnatural" fillers for the sake of appearance and the wholesale mutilation of bodies in the delusional pursuit of transing them.
The drop in quality from Blythe Danner to G. Paltrow and from Janet Leigh to J.L. Curtis is very sad. Part of its regression to the mean, but its also Hollywood upbringing.
As for her comment, at least she didn't say getting a boob lift was like being at the Auchschwitz.
Notice she can say plastic surgery is "Genocide" with only a little pushback, but if she'd said Israel is committing Genocide in Gaza, her Hollywood friends would cancel her.
What happened to my body my choice.
Re: what do transgenders want?
It is always hard for normal people to deal with the wants of the mentally ill. Someone who believes he is the Emperor Napoleon may well want to take Vienna.
Yes, Timshel! Thou mayest. So who and why are you “fighting”? If you believe that ‘thou mayest’, do you not also believe that ‘they mayest’?
Your fight denotes a fear of, perhaps even an abhorrence of timshel.
The shallowness of it is dispiriting. I look at my wife wrinkles and all, and I see the beauty of a life well spent, depth of feeling, laughter. She sees an older face because the Internet does not value age and experience.
The internet has broken our idea of beauty — but maybe that’s a good thing.
‘Oh the gift that God could give us, to see ourselves as others see us.’ ~ Robert Burns
Today when a woman is naturally beautiful without any fillers or augmentation, it's stunning and the attraction is overwhelming. Such a lucky person is more special than ever, and exceeding rare. Even such lucky women usually succumb to the temptation to "fix" something, which it rarely does. Some work is a good call, but few can resist overdoing it. It seems to be very addictive. That combined with seeing things as defects that are not.
Get it right:
O wad some Power the giftie gie us/ To see oursels as ithers see us.
I noted that disconnect -- trans-surgery vs. 'cosmetic' surgery (seriously, is there a real difference?) -- years ago on some talk show. The subject was one of those dopey surgery-addicted types that ends up looking like a burn victim, and how just plain crrAAAzy he is for having so much work done and the audience applauded heartily when he announced he was going to stop having more surgeries. (Bet he didn't)
I have no doubt that were he to have announced that he was going to have still more surgeries to make himself a woman , he would have received just as much adoration.
Plastic surgery in Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYREwD9e6U
Curtis may have had some work done early in her career, but she has spent the last 10-20 years proudly not having any more, and not even doing much diet and exercise, then proudly dowding herself down for her roles, e.g. in Everything Everywhere All at Once and The Last Showgirl.
Gotta give her some props for that, although she probably has a lot of residuals to fall back on, plus she's Baroness Haden-Guest, married to a guy with broader British aesthetics (pun intended).
RR
JSM
Invented to repair horrors inflicted by the first modern war, evolves into a self-prepetuating industry, enriching and corrupting the practioners.
Sums up post-superstition humanity.
Lip enhancement is "Genocide!" Sounds like someone deeply disturbed about a loved one's more drastic surgeries who cannot say anything about it displacing her anger.
Since you can't really change someone's sex trans surgery is cosmetic surgery. DNA doesn't lie.
Amadeus: "Someone who believes he is the Emperor Napoleon may well want to take Vienna."
I believe I'm Steve Allen, so I'll just take Manhattan. Ok, the Bronx and Staten Island too.
RR
JSM
The cognitive dissonance in Curtis' positions is telling.
Do what you can, when you can, if you can, within reason. There's the quandary.
Simulants should celebrate their homosexual bent.
Women should shed their liberal prejudice.
Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.
“As if she didn’t ride those fine young tits onto the silver screen.”
Don’t get me started!
Poor rich white women. It’s hard, it’s really hard.
Plastic surgery as genocide? Nice talk for the daughter of a Hungarian Jew.
Silly... As usual plastic surgery is an attempt to beat back age and to try and look more beautiful, for others and yourself. As far as hollywoods "AGE" problem, stuff it. Welcome to the party pal. Sports, computers, middle management, employment. They all have an AGE problem. Mainly that the older you are the LESS economic value you have.
Bob Boyd said...
Got a biker bar next to the lingerie store
That's got the Rolling Stones lips up there in bright pink neon
And they're right downtown where everyone can see 'em
And they burn all night
You know they burn all night
You know they burn all night
7/27/25, 8:35 AM
James McMurty and Choctaw Bingo reference. NICE!!
Iman: excellent Green Acres comeback. Reminds me of a few years ago here when the Prof did a post about the Fresh Air - Times Square call/response.
RR
JSM
Until today, I didn’t know that JLC is the daughter of Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh.
Maybe some women just aren't a good judge of lip size. They're flipping through the lip catalog, they're picking out a set of lips, but the lips are all wrong. All wrong. Maybe they bring a friend to help and the friend fucks them over, the same "friend" who encouraged them to get their hair cut really short.
And the plastic surgeons have no incentive to tell their patients to pick smaller lips because they charge by the pound for lips.
Seems to me there's an unmet need out there for lip size consultants. It's like interior decorators, some people need them or they'll create a horror show.
I'm confused. It's OK for men to undergo plastic surgery to create the illusion of a beautiful woman, but not OK for actual women to do the same?
The word Genocide is really foolish, here.
It's another word a leftist would use. Like the left's over-use of 'Nazi, Authoritarian.... and fascist.' These people have no clue.
Duck-lips/no wrinkles: A youth-obsessed Hollywood-celebrity-specific cult-epidemic.
....with Ozzy in the news I noted that Sharon Osbourne has duck lips.
Stop it. You all look ridiculous.
"Have you seen the new commercial with Lisa Kudrow and Courteney Cox? If Kudrow's had work done, she's retained a natural look. But looking at what Cox has surgically morphed into kind of hurts, especially given how beautiful she was."
Kudrow had a nose job at a young age. Cox looks freakish, and Jennifer Aniston sorta does too.
Caption of a picture in the linked article:
"With husband Christopher Guest and daughters Ruby and Annie."
If daughter Ruby claimed to be Napoleon, would the caption have read:
"With husband Christopher Guest, daughter Annie and the Emperor of France?".
BTW, JLC is widely rumored, and never denied, to be intersex — XY androgen insensitive.
JLC says no one can tell which one of her daughters is trans. Jamie EVERYONE can tell.
"the Emperor of France?"
No such critter, Bonaparte was "Emperor of the French."
That said, your point is a good one. And why is Napoleon always chosen as the model delusion?
I wonder if a psychiatrist ever had an opportunity to put a person who thinks xe is Napoleon in with a person who thinks xe is the Duke of Wellington? Or Marshal Bluecher (who was an honest-to-God nutbar)?
"JLC says no one can tell which one of her daughters is trans."
Is she taking bets?
@wild chicken 8:57: wondering if you’re mistaking Kenny rogers for glen Campbell? The latter still looked like an older version of himself, while Kenny rogers looked like his Mme Tussaud effigy.
I wonder if I can get away with identifying as Lee Kwan Yew?
I swear nobody has imagination anymore.
Especially not the mentally disturbed.
Friends don't let friends get a macaque's ass installed under their nose.
Why did the sour woman wear wax lips? Because her real ones were too puckered from all that frowning!
Grok says he’s here all week…
“ Or is it enough merely to feel, from their own perspective, that they are expressing their own personal idea of womanliness (or femininity) and not focused on what other people think of what they are seeing?"
If a tranny expresses her own personal idea of womanliness in the woods but no one is there to perceive it, does she still express womanliness?
Wax lips, sometimes with a mustache included, were a thing growing up. They were "edible" but not at all palatable.
Not near as much fun as the little wax Coke bottles with rainbow-pastel-colored sugar syrup inside them.
What is much more common is for women to get Botox injections, routinely. I know some that have it done multiple times, yearly. I think they're crazy. You can always tell, those little telltale facial bruises on cheeks, forehead, around the eyes: injection sites.
JLC inhabits a cultural zone in which she is immune from cross examination. It's a handy feature when your opinions are hypocritical and incoherent.
And why is Napoleon always chosen as the model delusion?
I worked for a while in a psychiatric hospital where seriously mentally ill people had been involuntarily committed. Never met any who thought they were Napoleon, but did meet a pretty young woman who believed she was Jon Bon Jovi's secret wife and stabbed a friend who argued the point with her.
The most common delusion of grandeur I saw was supposing oneself to be God Almighty, Jesus Christ, or Satan. One of them thought I was Christ, and he had died and was seated before the Throne of Judgment for admission to either Heaven or Hell. He was extremely agitated and anxious, as you might expect if you found yourself in the same position.
I saw Janet Leigh up close at a ski resort in the early ‘70s. She wasn’t even 50. I was shocked at how wrinkled she was. Undoubtedly years of CA sun made her look 20 years older than she was.. My sister had a face lift in the past year. Just to get rid of loose neck stuff and jowls. Goal was to look less mad/sad all the time. You wouldn’t have any idea she’d had it done. The other sister had a lot more work done, but she’s stopped doing the Botox and fillers, which is good.
Her trans kid is making little effort to pass as female. That definitely seems like attention-seeking.
Just get normal size lips. Don't get those big ones. Don't get any lips that have a Schrader valve.
Hormones injected cattle... horrors!
Hormones injected children... empowerment!
Donald @ 8:17 AM said
She (both of ‘em) has a penis, so….
Surprised more commenters haven't posted on the decades long scuttlebutt about Jamie Lee having ambiguous genitalia. Not that it matters. Always found her a great actress.
Speaking of genocide, it has been fashionable for a certain set of rich people to sterilize their children.
RCOCEAN II said...
Notice she can say plastic surgery is "Genocide" with only a little pushback, but if she'd said Israel is committing Genocide in Gaza, her Hollywood friends would cancel her.
7/27/25, 9:02 AM
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I doubt that Hollywood is in lockstep with Israel it if it were true they would be correct.
Every single death and every damaged and destroyed building in Gaza since 10/7/23 is 100% the fault of the satanic scum of Hamas and their Jew hating enablers.
Grok should have said trans is caricature at best but likely didn't because AI is still fighting woke
If Israel wanted to commit genocide in Gaza - they could complete the job in a few hours.
I think I read it in the comments here, that JLC was born intersex. I would guess it makes her more compassionate about her own kid having doubts, and who knows how the kid was configured at birth. When I read those comments initially I went and looked into the intersex birth condition and was surprised how frequent it is.
Palestinianwood is very effective.
I looked at the family picture before reading and thought: "Wow, that one daughter really got a bad gene. That must have been tough for her growing up with the other daughter." Then I read that the bad gene was on a Y chromosome.
I guess we need a new word for a really bad thing, or we could just opt for accuracy and honesty.
Naaa, that's crazy talk.
My sister is a graphic artist and had a hearing aid manufacturer as a client. Singer Huey Lewis who is almost deaf was doing some promo work for them, and my sister had to take a photo of him that was provided and work it into a direct mail piece. She was instructed to make him "look younger." When she sent the reworked photo to be approved they replied that Huey was unhappy with it, and wanted more wrinkles to be removed. My sister told them if she removed any more wrinkles he would no longer be in the photo.
If Ruby sticks with this, "she" needs all the help "she" can get.
JLC is speaking to HER tribe* not to us non-showbiz muggles. Keep that in mind and it's easier to understand her point. Now us simple folks in Michigan would relate to her remarks about the same way as a relative dying of lung cancer or COPD telling us not to smoke. Hypocritical of JLC? Oh yes, but quite sincere. This is why showbiz people make such lousy spokespersons which is to say bc we know that Hollywood Royalty is simply out of touch with our lived experiences.
* That is, showbiz people not Jews.
"Are trans women mostly attempting to look like beautiful women or is the goal simply to look like an ordinary woman (and to 'read' as a woman)?"
Grok should know.
Normally I wouldn't care, but since I'm waiting for my wife and have nothting to do...
Tony Curtis wasn't a "Hungarian Jew". He was born and raised in the Bronx. 100 percent American. Supposedly, a street gang member - then a WW II vet.
Her kids are adopted.
Made it until last 10% of story before mentioning Trump.
And:
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In any country on the cusp of authoritarianism, the role of the press as an engine of scrutiny, truth and accountability becomes increasingly critical. At the Guardian, we see it as our job not only to report on the suppression of dissenting voices, but to make sure those voices are heard.
Not every news organization sees its mission this way – indeed, some have been pressured by their corporate and billionaire owners to avoid antagonizing this government. I am thankful the Guardian is different.
I always felt JLC looked sorta odd. Maybe it was the short hair, or she looked strange depending on the camera angle. Never thought of her as "Beautiful". Unlike her mother.
She was drop dead gorgeous in A Fish Called Wanda.
I think she is a unique beauty.
The restoration of the Dohanyi Street Synagogue in Budapest, Hungary, the second largest in the world, was bankrolled in part by Tony Curtis, born Bernard Schwartz.
I asked grok:
What is the average age for transsexuals to detransition
Data on the average age of detransition among transsexual individuals is limited and varies across studies due to differences in methodology, sample size, and definitions of detransition. Based on available research, the average age for detransition tends to fall in the early to mid-20s, though this is not universal and depends on the population studied.
“Oh Ruby… don’t be a lineman for teh county”
h/t wild 🐔
“Until today, I didn’t know that JLC is the daughter of Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh.”
Geeeze… can’t get anything by you, Dave Begley.
You can get along with Hollywood, and liberals generally, provided your toss out any sense of common sense and, perish the thought, Biblical morality.
Obviously, the word “genocide” is very strong and risks causing offence, given its proper meaning. To Curtis, however, it is accurate. “I’ve used that word for a long time and I use it specifically because it’s a strong word.
The left has a history of the corruption of language and the perversion of meaning, like what she is doing here.
I guess we can call her rhetoric an example of the genocide of the English language now.
I'm seeing ads for JLC's newer movie coming out, co-starring Lindsay Lohan, who has had work done, so I'm curious about their interactions re: Wax lips!
She peaked in Star Wars.
The power of John Steinbeck’s literature re-emerges.
Do women have no agency?
Genocide is something done to a group of people. Generations of women chose to have their appearance altered.
Jamie Lee Curtis's daughter is the oppressor. Ruby demands that everyone complies with her decision. She has no interest in who anyone else wants to be.
Who you are is not a matter of choice. One can aspire to be Captain Kirk and zoom off to Epsilon Eridani at warp 5, but the universe will not cooperate. I wanted to be a genius, but Nature didn't give me a suitable brain. Hell, even Homer Simpson got closer to proving Fermat's Last Theorem than I did. Jamie Lee's theorem is nonsense, consequently, though I may resent Nature for setting prodigihood beyond the reach of my aspiration, I must be thankful for being smarter than some washed-up actors.
There's the death of cash, coincide.
RCOCEAN II said...
Notice she can say plastic surgery is "Genocide" with only a little pushback, but if she'd said Israel is committing Genocide in Gaza, her Hollywood friends would cancel her.
7/27/25, 9:02 AM
It's definitely tone deaf by anyone's standards. The Guardian must be brain dead to just let it slide without a response.
I believe Hungary made Tony Curtis a knight. Jamie's husband inherited a peerage. Not one of the older ones, but a lord is a lord -- or was Tony Blair's changes in the system.
Plastic surgery is an art. Like art, some renderings are beautiful and pleasing, others are obnoxious and ugly. I had a blepharoplasty because I looked half asleep all the time. The HORROR of wanting to look like your eyes are open! I have also had some filler done to soften severe wrinkles and folds. The woman doing my filler injections speaks of "California Fake" versus "Pacific NW Natural".
It's not a black-and-white thing, but rather a continuum.
Parting shot: If I ran the world, plastic surgery would be free to all. Every person who wanted it could have it. Let's all strive to be the best version of our physical selves through plastic surgery - then we'll have no choice but to rely on our personalities. All of us.
Does every celebrity have a minimum of one trans child? This seems to prove that it’s nurture and not nature.
Jamie condemns plastic surgery but condones and encourages gender reassignment? Isn't there a contradiction somewhere in there? Making your body parts bigger or smaller is bad, but chopping them off or radically reshaping them is great?
And if she's got a project with Lindsay Lohan in the works, isn't this a slap in Lindsay's face? Not that Lindsay would be able to feel it, with all the filler.
Anyway, I wouldn't want to be in Jamie's shoes when Meg Ryan finally brings "beaky" back.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Kristi Noem. She's had a whole lotta work done, including the fashionable Engorged Labial Lips look.
Gotta say, the results are pretty good!
OT - Tom Lehrer dead at 97
Randomizer said...
"Do women have no agency?"
Why On EARTH would you (Could you) think that women HAVE agency?
Bill and Sally are both drunk..
Bill and Sally both verbally consent to sex
sex ensues..
ONE of them is now GUILTY of RAPE..
I'll give you a hint.. it's the one with agency.
Here's another case.. That i heard from a LAW Professor.
a man and a woman have sex (with a condom)..
after the man leaves, the woman takes the condom and inseminates herself.
Is the man LIABLE for child support? Of COURSE he is!
Just because you are a spooze stooge, doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your actions.
Only being a women prevents you from agency
Plastic surgery seems appropriate for repairing disfigurement. Normal aging does not fit that description.
"Cosmeceutical" is good. Credit where due.
Whiskeybum said...
OT - Tom Lehrer dead at 97
*************
Very sorry to hear that. I still remember the words to some of his songs I enjoyed many years ago.
In particular, the Russia-Ukraine war has lodged the lyrics of "Lobachevsky" in my brain as an earworm. I find myself absent-mindedly muttering,
"I have a friend in Minsk
Who has a friend in Pinsk
Whose friend in Omsk
Has friend in Tomsk
With friend in Akmolinsk
His friend in Alexandrovsk
Has friend in Petropavlovsk
Whose friend somehow is solving now
The problem in Dnepropetrovsk"
And, of course, Elon Musk reminds me of:
"Vahnce ze rakets go up, who cares *vehr* zay come down,
That's not my depahtment", says Wernher Von Braun".
That one's about Nazi rocket scientist Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr Schickelgruber von Braun, who Lehrer hated with a passion.
[So okay, I threw the Schickelgruber in there for the helluvit.]
@effinaright: Kristi noem’s barbie vibe definitely makes me view her as a lightweight. Everytime she appears on the news— which seems frequent— I can’t help but wonder how much time she had to spend on herself to pull that look off, and so I wonder about her priorities.
When people first started getting Botox injections for cosmetic purposes, it was very controversial, but now nobody raises an eyebrow.
The rumor was that Jamie is intersex herself. My little sister's biology class actually discussed that decades ago. It may have been a misinterpretation of something Jamie or her mom said (it often is).
Often, it's actresses' daughters who transition because of the competition with mom. Jamie's son went the other way. Ruby isn't a very attractive or convincing woman. Put on a lot of weight. Might as well have stayed a guy.
Who cares what some Hollywood bimbo thinks?
GO watch Trading Places. Great scene where Jamie Lee gets her fake tits out.
"Genocide" is just a strong word to Ms. Curtis. A drama club kid, born to Hollywood royalty. Goodness only knows what her understanding of history is. It's all just fodder for stage and screen. Best to keep that in mind when George Clooney or any other TV?movie actor calls Trump "Hitler." It may mean nothing more to them than "poopy-head" on a playground.
Or perhaps Jamie Lee Curtis imagines that Dr. Mengele was a plastic surgeon, and everyone was sent to Auschwitz for glow-ups. Idiot wind.
As far as I'm concerned, only do plastic surgery if someone's face has actually been disfigured and needs rebuilding.
Isn’t the misuse of the word “genocide” itself a kind of genocide? It’s endangering a word that is for a very specific use. You can’t declare “genocide” a free use commodity?
Oh. Wait a minute. Genocide is the new Nazi, the new Fascist, the new Racist.
Just by coincidence I happened to be watching “The Fog” last night, which stars both JL and JLC. Aging is a bitch, and so is regression to the mean. Which is why the main star is Adrienne Barbeau.
I think I see what’s happening.
"GO watch Trading Places. Great scene where Jamie Lee gets her fake tits out."
Someone tell that other elder actress Sharon Stone about wax lips....
Was the National Socialist murder of 6mm Poles along with plans to save a few for agricultural slaves a genocide? Destroying centuries of legal, cultural and religious documents? Destroying schools and universities, genocide? And so on.
Or is it only the 3mm Jewish poles that were a genocide and the 3mm Christian poles were what, chopped liver?
And the other 6mm,about half Jewish.
I doubt that Randi Weingarten has ever said anything I would agree with.
Until now.
She is pointing out that 12mm people were murdered by the national socialists and, for saying that, she is getting hammered as an anti-smite.
As I have been for 20-30 years when I point it out. And most likely will be in the future (who'll go first here, hmm?
There have been many genocides, 100mm murdered in the 20th century alone by socialism.
Why should any one group get to claim a monopoly on the word?
John Henry
Was the National Socialist murder of 6mm Poles along with plans to save a few for agricultural slaves a genocide? Destroying centuries of legal, cultural and religious documents? Destroying schools and universities, genocide? And so on.
Or is it only the 3mm Jewish poles that were a genocide and the 3mm Christian poles were what, chopped liver?
And the other 6mm,about half Jewish.
I doubt that Randi Weingarten has ever said anything I would agree with.
Until now.
She is pointing out that 12mm people were murdered by the national socialists and, for saying that, she is getting hammered as an anti-smite.
As I have been for 20-30 years when I point it out. And most likely will be in the future (who'll go first here, hmm?
There have been many genocides, 100mm murdered in the 20th century alone by socialism.
Why should any one group get to claim a monopoly on the word?
John Henry
"Genocide" is sometimes just another word for History.
Trump is committing migrant genocide. 👈🏼 omg I just put in the letter g and autocomplete was on it just like that.
Should have mentioned that Weingarten is using the word "genocide" to include all 12mm
Not sure if she is using "Holocaust" to include the 12mm.
Should she be? Or should that word be reserved just for the 6mm?
John Henry
Genocide is one of those silly non-words that needs to go away. It’s mass murder, and the victims are dead. What difference does it make if they were also this, that, or the other?
I love Werner Von Braun. A great German-American who helped us get to the moon and also develop the ICBM for for USA defense. That he fought for his country during WW II isn't suprising.
That Tom Lehrer "Hated him" - just shows he was was a moron.
Isn’t this game with words dangerous? I mean like the most dangerous kind of thing. Couldn’t we imagine a world where the lessons have to be repeated in much much worse orders of magnitude.
In the Black Book of Communism (which you can’t buy on kindle) the authors state that the term genocide is essentially the same as (my term) a hate crime. Does the genetic makeup of the victims or the motive of the murderer really matter. Is the murder through starvation of the Ukrainians not as bad as the murder of Jews and Slavs? Or do we indict the regimes that perpetrated mass murder on the basis of the acts themselves.
Setting aside the term genocide, the reason the Nazi murders were so impactful was the method and the reason - the use of technology and the use of science (murder for the benefit of improving the genetic pool of those remaining). Until then these 2 engines of the 18th and 19th centuries were thought of in a mostly positive light. Some dissention but mostly positive. Education, by definition, makes you a morally better person. We found out that just wasn’t true.
Coinky-Dinky? An article about someone de-transitioning...
https://nypost.com/2025/07/26/us-news/fashion-model-learning-to-be-a-man-after-being-pushed-to-transition/
Sorry, meant 19th and 20th centuries
“"Cosmeceutical" is good. Credit where due.“
I thought it was the erasure of Cosmo Kramer from all Seinfeld episodes, post racial rant cancellation 😅
Dr. Az Hakeem is a psychotherapist in the UK who has specialized in the treatment of gender dysphoria for several decades. He has written his findings in a book "DeTrans: When Transition is Not the Solution" (available from the Althouse Amazon Portal). He also appears on YouTube, where he rebuts the trans activists.
well he did build the rockets with slave labor, and then launched them from peenemunde, so yeah not the nicest guy
Korolev his opposite number, his opposite number, was a zek, but he probably built Baikonur with slave labot,
if the navy had been less egotistical, General Medaris Redstones might have beaten Sputnik into space
getting back to the main point, it's hard to credit which foolishness, curtis is most guilty of, in particular with her daughter, or in general, whitewashing Hamas,
"well he did build the rockets with slave labor, and then launched them from peenemunde, so yeah not the nicest guy"
Well he given "Slave labor" to help build rockets. USA Farmers used German POW "slave labor" to grow crops. The USSR used "slave labor" to do everything before and after the war.
I guess he should've quit the rocket programme and said "sorry, Germany you need to lose" and gone home. LOL!
Von Braun didn't ask for "slave labor" - he was given them in place of German workers.
and blind squirrel, weingartner, get something right, don't worry, she'll remove all doubt soon enough,
he was the project manager for General Dornberger, lets not mince words, I guess you could put up with Prince Chiribachi, who directed the Nanking massacre,
he was a visionary, he dreamed of going to Mars, but personally he was a sociopath,
German PoWs in the US were not slaves, not even close.
That is all.
It has been estimated that more people died building the V1s at Dora-Nordhausen than were killed by having them land on them.
Genocide - excellent early Priest song:
https://youtu.be/EJbqAi7eRek?si=a1zT1RFrevEm2qJn
RR
JSM
"Jamie condemns plastic surgery but condones and encourages gender reassignment? Isn't there a contradiction somewhere in there?"
It is amazing the things people can make themselves believe if their peer group requires it.
“Dear God… You took one of my favorite wrestlers Hulk Hogan, my favorite trumpet players Chuck Mangione and one of the craziest metal singers Ozzie. I just want you to know my favorite governor is Gavin Newsom…”
don't forget Theo
RCOCEAN II - Your BS is delusional jackassery. German POWs were given the opportunity to tend their own truck gardens within the compounds, which they did with enthusiasm, and they were also given the opportunity to work, for pay, for farmers, who were charged for the labor.
..."Although the facilities were clearly operated as prison camps, the prisoners were allowed to organize their own craft and education programs in which they might learn conversational English, play musical instruments, perform theatrical productions, participate in sports, publish newspapers and take college courses. A great many of the POWs were Germans, followed by fewer Italians and even fewer Japanese..."
In Texas, the sentiment was that the Germans were happier as POWs than they were as German soliders. Quite a few of the POWs formed friendships with their guards and returned to the US, some of them annually, to visit. My local paper was running stories about these visits back in the 80s.
There are several opinions expressed here regarding certain German weapons of WWII, and as such, have nothing whatsoever to do with Jamie Lee Curtis or any she has said or written on the topic of surgery. This is to be expected, as some minds will go to any extreme to make connects where none exist. As long as Althouse tolerates them, we, her guests, are also so obliged.
However, if someone insists on diverting us onto the subject, he'd do well to know the facts.
Resisting surgical methods to deny aging? Awful, unnatural.
Surgical methods to recreate the trappings of gender. Brave and stunning.
Feh.
I'm not sure what the wax lips equivalent for Trans surgery is and I don't think I want to find out.
For example, V1s were not made by slave labor in the Mittelbau-Dora camp in Thuringia. In fact, there is no conclusive evidence that KZ inmates or PoWs were ever used in the manufacture of the Fi-103 cruise missile. Throughout that weapon's history in Germany, V1s were built by the Gerhard Fieseler Werke in Kassel, 58 miles west of Nordhausen. Gerhard Fieseler was arrested, investigated, and release without charges by the United States Army in 1945. And don't go off half-cocked with some assertion amounting to Fieseler was released because he gave the Americans the secret of his buzz bomb, because there was no secret to give. Dozens of doodle bugs crashed landed in England and were examined in detail. By the end of the war in Europe the Ford Motor Company was already tooled up to produce a copy of the V1 for use against Japan based entire on captured examples of operational buzz bombs.
Curious George said, “ JLC says no one can tell which one of her daughters is trans. Jamie EVERYONE can tell.”
I showed my wife the picture and mentioned JLC’s comment. My wife said that no mother would ever say anything different about her child. She is right, as usual.
The V1 was low tech. Innovative repackaging of well known existing tech really. The value in it was rather like the current Iranian Shahid drones, V1s were easy to make in quantity. They were however easy to intercept and had poor guidance, so they were only of use in very broadly defined area attacks, if enough could be launched at once.
So ... given an infinite amount of time eventually every discussion really does come down to Hitler and the Nazis ...
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Dylan Mulvaney really does want to be Audrey Hepburn, but if you're Robert/Rachel Levine or James/Jennifer Pritzker you know that no amount of make up or surgery will make you beautiful. It's enough to become a hermaphrodite and have a rockin' new chassis.
I fucked up. In my comment I meant V2, not V1, being manufactured at Dora-Nordhausen, and being more lethal to the slave laborers who built them than to the Brits they were aimed at.
"My wife said that no mother would ever say anything different about her child." That indicates to me that we need a higher class of mother. (Why do so many homely men want to be even homelier 'women'?)
As to slave labor and POWs, it is well known that Soviet soldiers taken prisoner by the Germans were used as slave labor, and as test subjects for the death chambers. (Of course, hundreds of thousands chose to become Hilfswilliger--working as laborers for the Wehrmacht for a bit of pay and a chance to see the next sunrise.)
OTOH, many of the Germans captured by the Reds were essentially enslaved, but in the USSR slaves weren't uncommon to start with . . . After the first large batches (think Stalingrad) were mismanaged and wasted, later German POWs had some prospect of survival.
It is well known that some British/CW and Americans taken by the Germans were sent to labor as slaves alongside other victims of the Reich. Blacks and Jews were more likely to be mistreated in this and other ways, but they certainly weren't the only ones.
Jamie Lee Curtis was always a bit mannish. Good looking woman in an athletic sort of way, lean, rangy, other than nice breasts, but a long face. Best in "A Fish Called Wanda". I can believe the stories of some sort of intersex condition. She has never been pregnant apparently and her children are adopted.
IIRC in one scene of A Fish Called Wanda she wore depilatory foam on her upper lip.
Some credit should be given to the French for being the first practitioners of genocide. Sadly, they've never been given proper credit for this. I suppose the problem is that committing genocide against your own countrymen just doesn't resonate......During the French Revolution, the Jacobins came to the opinions that no one in the Vendee region deserved to live. The people there had a different accent and wore different clothes than the Jacobins. The Jacobins hated them for that. The slaughter of people in the Vendee was widespread. The Jacobins used several innovative techniques to kill, but the technology of the time made it difficult. One time, they hered them into a large group and fired a cannonade of shrapnel at the group. This wasn't effective. A large number of the prisoners were simply mangled. The soldiers had to go through the mangled, screaming prisoners and dispatch them by hand. The soldiers claimed that it was, for them, a harrowing experience and did not wish to take part in such executions ever again. The Jacobins hit upon the happy idea of filling barges up with prisoners, and then sinking the barges. They had some rowboats around the barges with soldiers on board. to shoot those very few who had found a way to weasel through a hatch or porthole.... I think far more attention has been paid to the deaths of Marie Antoinette, Robespierre, or Marat than to the several hundred thousand who perished during this revolutionary program......I asked ChatGpt if any hard feelings remain. Apparently not. The Vendee region still votes conservatively, but who are they going to hold a grudge against?
"German PoWs in the US were not slaves, not even close.
That is all."
LOL. Enlisted men German POWs in the USA were forced to pick cotton and cut sugar cane for pennies. They had no choice. We didn't starve them, because we didnt have to. Unlike Germany which was being bombed round the clock and blockaded.
BTW, After V-J many of these German POW in the USA were shipped off to France after WW II and toiled until 1950 for no money.
And millions of Germans POW and civilian were used by our "ally" the USSR as "slave labor". Probably 25% of German POWs died in the Gulag - after WW II. The last POW wasn't released till 1955. How many died building Soviet ICBMs, V-2s, or mining uranium. No one knows.
Funny how all the "americans" are always so concerned about what the Germans did in WW II, and never mention the bataan death march, the 35 percent death rate of Allied POWs in Japanese POW camps, or the refusal of the IJA to take Allied POWs after their initial victories.
That doesn't bother them. Nor does Genocide in Gaza, but the Germans doing something to non-Americans, man that upsets them. 80 years after the fact. Its almost like they are really another nationality, some sort of non-American.
German POWs in the US were under the Geneva Convention, fool. And working hard for scant pay doesn't equal slavery, fool. And what in the world do you mean by "we didn't starve them because we didn't have to," fool?
Who do you think you impress or convert with your stupid "nobody ever talks about X, Y, or Z" dodge, anyway, fool?
And with your last comment you become the perfect illustration of Dr. Johnson's observation about patriotism and scoundrels.
A talented actress and seemed down-to-earth and likable, decades ago. Since then she's had her numerous campaigns about physical appearance that are really about bringing attention to herself. "I'm a celebrity. Look at me! LOOK AT ME!"
Narr, my advice to you is (1) read more and (2) whenever someone offers you that 3rd drink go "Narr".
And German POW's were treated by the Geneva Convention? By who? Not by the USSR, our "ally" at any time . And not by the French, USA, and USA after the war. Thousands of German POWs died after V-E day because they penned up in POW camps by Eisenhower and given inadequate food and medicine.
In the USA, after VE day, the German POW ration was cut because the Geneva convention no longer applied. And we could get away with it. And I'm sure a German POW cutting Sugar Cane all day in LA, and being told: "Hey you're getting no pay, and we'll shoot you if you refuse to work, but that's not "slave labor. " was happy about it. LOL.
But why defend the USA Government? Didn't they put Japanese in "Concentration camps" ? Isn't Patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel? So, if its not the "Good name of the USA" that is at stake, what is? Obviously its hatred of Germans. Or maybe its being upset that other groups aren't being "Centered" as the victims of WWII.
The stories of prisoners of the Japanese were widely aired back in the day - back when WW2 stories were interesting. The best prison camp movies were on those subjects - Bridge on the River Kwai, King Rat, Three Came Home, and the more recent Empire of the Sun and The Great Raid. There are a pile of books on the subject, I have a bunch. If RCOCEAN hasnt picked up on all this its his own fault.
Btw my great grandfather and great uncle were held by the Kempeitai and, amazingly, survived.
To add - "Unbroken"
There are quite a few testimonies of German POWS in the US and allied countries, if you care to look. All are NOT bitter about their treatment. The exception is those held by the French in North Africa. https://www.army.mil/article/195355/former_german_pow_says_thank_you_america
My exposure to German WWII POWs was Kurt Pechmann in Madison. So comfortable here he married a S'connie and built a family business in WI
Re the pennies Germans were paid,in 1944 the us minimum wage was 30 cents/hr for non-agricultural workers.
SG workers typical earned less. And had to pay for food, shelter, and clothing out of the 20-25 cents.
If the Germans were getting 10 cents, us food, shelter etc, not a bad deal, economically
John Henry
Buwaya,
Better than unbroken, read Devil at my heels" which Lou zamperini wrote in 1956 about his experience
A friend of mine went to the same church as him and knew him well. He gave me a signed copy of the book. This was way before unbroken.
Horrifying.
Nobody ever talks about the 250,000 Chinese civiams murdered in Feb 42 in repriarfof the Doolittle raid.
John Henry
German POW's in the USA were "paid" 80 cents per day. For a 10 hour day cutting lumber or sugar cane they got 8 cents an hour. They didn't get money, they got "script" they could use to by a coke at the POW camp.
That's before VE day. After that, the US Government no longer considered them covered by the Geneva Convention and paid them nothing.
Boohoo
John Henry, I believe I have that, in a box. I still have too many books. I mentioned Unbroken because it was a movie.
"When I read those comments initially I went and looked into the intersex birth condition and was surprised how frequent it is."
Aggie, the intersex stats have been co-opted and corrupted by trans activists. They lumped all kinds of relatively benign reproductive defects into the intersex category to goose the numbers. Intersex is not near as common as your top of the page Google search results indicate.
Whatever you say, little fella.
I gather that Jack Palance’s famous stone-faced killer look resulted from extensive plastic surgery after he was badly burned in a plane crash during WW2. He served as a bomber pilot and was awarded a Purple Star.
No such critter as Purple Star. Combat wounds (or death) earn Purple Hearts.
Per wikipedia:
Palance enlisted in the United States Army Air Forces during World War II, and was trained as the pilot of a B-24 Liberator bomber.[1] He suffered head injuries and burns during a 1943 crash, with various sources citing it as a patrol off the coast of California,[11] or a training flight near Tucson, Arizona (at what is now Davis–Monthan Air Force Base).[1][13] He was discharged in 1944 after undergoing reconstructive surgery, which contributed to his distinctively gaunt appearance."
"The stories of prisoners of the Japanese were widely aired back in the day - back when WW2 stories were interesting. The best prison camp movies were on those subjects - Bridge on the River Kwai, King Rat, Three Came Home, and the more recent Empire of the Sun and The Great Raid"
Thanks for the movie list. Most of the movies about Allied POWs in japanese captivity were made in the 50s/60s. Empire of the Sun is about internees in Shanghai. Great Raid is about the rescue of internees on Luzon.
As far as I know, no movie has ever been made about the bataan death march. Or the "hell ships".
Hampton Sides' "Ghost Soldiers" is a good readable account of the freeing of US POWs held by the Japanese at Cabanatuan, P.I. The prisoners were survivors of the Death March.
The story of Commander W.S. Cunningham, who was in charge of Wake Island, survived a hell ship, and ended up in mainland China is told in Lydel Sims' and Cunningham's book "Wake Island Command."
Knew quite a few German veterans of both wars, due to my grandparents' being a hub of the small German (and Austrian) community here.
Mr Brueker and Mr Koch had both been captured by the Americans in 1944, immigrated here at their first opportunity after the war, and naturalized likewise. Fine people.
Mr Greeven had been a very young soldier for the Kaiser, too young for combat. I saw him once draw himself up, ramrod straight, to his full five foot five or so and inform the gathering that "the German Army was not defeated on the battlefield in the First World War!" The younger men rolled their eyes.
" Intersex is not near as common as your top of the page Google search results indicate. "
Pardon me - whose 'top of page Google search results'? You're taking a lot for granted, aren't you?
Other than a couple from wartime "Bataan", "Back to Bataan", "An American Guerilla in the Philippines" (better than one would assume) "They were Expendable" (John Ford, the best of them by far) there are very few US movies on the Philippines in WW2 and the US people/forces there. There is a huge lot of original dramatic material in all that.
"The Great Raid" is about the raid on the Cabanatuan POW camp, not internees. Go watch it, its pretty good.
"The Great Raid" film is based on the book "Ghost Soldiers"
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