I'm reading "Can Democrats Find Their Way on Immigration?
The party’s leftward shift in the Biden administration arguably laid the groundwork for President Trump’s aggressive approach. Deciding the next move won’t be easy" (NYT)(free-access link).
"The next move" = it's a game. You can't win the confidence of the people if they can see it's a game.
What can you do to demonstrate/fake sincerity? The old plan was to denounce Trump as a racist, and there are still prominent Democrats like Ayanna Pressley, who's quoted saying: "Democrats have to stop talking about the issue of immigration within a Republican frame. This has nothing to do with law and order. This is about power, control, terror, and it is about racism and xenophobia. Donald Trump wants to make America Jim Crow again, and then some."
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Yea Ayanna Presley, keep that old canard alive. Meanwhile Trump, again will do more for black Americans than anyone has in decades.
Bless Presley’s little heart! She might get whiplash flipping to full racist “who will pick my crops!” mode to flop back hard on the “Trump is racist” shibboleth. Normal humans with less loyalty to the DNC see for themselves that the secure borders keep EVERYONE out who doesn’t belong. It’s the most race-neutral immigration policy ever implemented in American history.
Plus she couldn’t even spell xenophobic even if you spotted her the “z”and “f”she is certain to use.
Sincerity! If you can fake it, you've got it made. -- George Costanza.
The, "and then some." at the end is comedy gold. Unintentional, which makes it better.
It's going to be damn near impossible to step back from open border with no restrictions.
Democrats used to brag they put country before party. I haven’t seen them tell that particular lie in a while.
Enough voters see through the leftie war room strategy of paying illegals for a middle class lifestyle with immunity from prosecution as a trade for the left gaming the census and a dramatic realignment of blue state congressional representation. Some and/or combination of unfairness and unsavory representation shenanigans were too much to tolerate..
…notice the absence of abandoning the strategy however. Fighting for every last treasury dollar to keep hope alive…
"The next move" = it's a game. You can't win the confidence of the people if they can see it's a game.
‘I feel for anyone who only now discovers it’s a game to most of its players.
When the Trump Administration started deporting illegals, there were people on social media who were saying things like “How many of them have committed a crime?” Of course, the correct answer is 100%.
There are a lot of people on the left and among Democrats who arbitrarily ignore laws they don’t like. Criminals, in other words. But “Irish Democracy” is only Irish Democracy when you have a supermajority of the people on your side.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
“Plus [Pressley] couldn’t even spell ‘xenophobic’ even if you spotted her the ‘z’ and ‘f’ she is certain to use.”
Considering that for a while some on Left had the fetish of deliberately misspelling America, she might need to be spotted a ‘k’ or three, too.
Ayanna Pressley was born in 1974, a decade after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stuffed Jim Crow in a coffin and 9 years after the Voting Rights Act of 1965 nailed it shut. She has no personal memory of Jim Crow, and has never spent a second of her life under Jim Crow. She has no idea what she is talking about.
"in June 2019, nine of the party’s candidates for president were asked to raise their hand if they wanted to decriminalize illegal border crossings."
it's Really Quite Simple.
the Democrats *HATE* america, and *HATE* americans..
they despice EVERY THING that america stands for..
their stated intention;
is to replace ALL americans with brown skinned slaves
WHY do they want "open borders"?
WHY do they want to castrate our youth?
ask yourself why.. but I already told you
I think it is funny they think the only problem Democrats have is the stance on immigration. Nothing about just declaring a primary winner that didn’t run in the primary. Nothing about needing blanket pardons covering a decade.
which was the party of slavery?
which was the party of Jim Crow?
which was the party of segregation?
which party was defeated on "Juneteenth"?
Alopecia Pressley and her ilk are cancerous tumors positioned much too close to the “heart” (or what passes for a heart) of the Democrat party for said party to survive the surgery required to remove them.
@Rocco, you speak of “Irish Democracy”? It’s a matter of historical record that Ayanna Pressley‘s seat, the Massachusetts 7th Congressional District, was once held by a young John Kennedy and later by Tip O’Neill. Kind of come down a bit in quality.
In the latest America This Week (I think it was there - it might've been his July 4 "Come on, people, can't we celebrate America for one damn day?" piece in Racket News) , Matt Taibbi disappointingly says that he wishes we could still be the nation that accepted the world's tired, its poor, its huddled masses. I was disappointed because he left out the "yearning to breathe free" and because he made no mention that the immigrants of the Ellis Island period all came here expecting that they'd be working their tails off for years to come, in order to secure the blessings of liberty to themselves and their posterity, in contrast to the benefit-recipient "asylum"-seekers of recent years.
I like him a lot; he's often very clear-eyed. And indeed, he doesn't usually address the Biden open-borders policies as fulfillment of the "promises" on Liberty's plinth - he usually acknowledges their destabilizing effects. But I guess he's still a man of the left at heart.
Only one of them held still.
Who is that guy?
Bennet?
It's a rigged game - paid for by big pharma, china, soros, Blackrock etc...
Yes, it was Michael Bennett.
In what way was their position 'morally courageous' after more than two decades of eagerly anticipating a flood of barely legal immigrants was going to guarantee them electoral success (and likely came within a whisker of doing it) for the foreseeable future?
The left keep lying, too. and their cult followers buy the lies.
A few examples:
-Many police officers were killed by MAGA extremists on Jan 6th. (Name them - leftist media & leftist cultists)
-The Steele Dosier is real. Trump is a Russian asset.
-Trump told everyone to drink bleach.
-Trump's "Some fine people on both sides" - The left still lie endlessly about that one.
Trump is a racist and all of MAGA is racist. (Hint to corrupt liar left - people who are not racist do not like being accused of it.)
That's just the tip of the lie lie lie lying liars who lie - democrat party base --lie list.
"How many foreigners are we supposed to allow into the country if they can swing a hammer?
A million? 5 million? 20 million? 200 million? A billion?
We either have immigration laws or we don’t. wtf does it matter if they found a roofing gig?" - Oilfield Rando on X
""The next move" = it's a game. You can't win the confidence of the people if they can see it's a game." Not just that. What the Dems treat as a game is an existential issue for normies. Though even some normies are too nice when it comes to acting on it.
"Democrats used to brag they put country before party. I haven’t seen them tell that particular lie in a while."
Joe Biden::"...I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down...."
"Can Democrats Find Their Way on Immigration?" They have found their way. For the moment Trump stands in the way of their way. But as soon as they have power again, they'll open the border again, and flood the country with illegals and "asylum seekers." As the current predicament shows, it's easier to overwhelm the system with millions of illegals than to enforce the law and get them out.
Screaming about racism and xenophobia = all they know.
Americans and legal immigrants are aghast at the numbers of illegals Biden and his mob handlers allowed to surge the border and enter illegally. Then the left forced us to pay for these illegals, without our consent
Americans and legal immigrants are appalled at the left's massive purposeful illegal open border and all the crime that came along with it.
Democrats themselves DO. NOT. CARE. about anything but their long game to attain ultimate power; and a corrupt authoritarian one-party state.
Americans support all efforts to remove Biden's/Soros Illegals...
and the lair left cannot figure out why.
Leftists don't need to find their way on illegal immigration.
We KNOW their way, and want nothing to with it.
Laken Riley is murdered.
Deomcrats: "This is the way."
As usual, sniffing their own farts and declaring it Chanel No. 5.
Again, its all about having to do a better job marketing the D's - not changing the policy. The Democrat party is now, offiically, the party of open borders and replacing the American people with foreigners. They don't want to fund ICE, they dont want voter ID, they want any deportations, they don't want to stop criminals from coming here, or forcing them to leave.
And then the slather "The party line" with a fake moralism. Oh they care for the poor "migrant". A nice cover for their lust for power, cheap labor, and corruption.
Why the Right never attacks them from a moral basis is unclear. Stupidity?
This "deep dive" by the NYT can't or doesn't even acknowledge that "family separation" was not a Trump policy preference, but rather a result of court decisions that said the Feds could not detail whole families together pending deportation. NOBODY wanted to take children away from their parents. But entering illegally with a child can't just be a "get out of detention free" card for everyone either. Or you get even more exploitation of children.
@ Jamie, yes I had the same take on Taibbi's column. Kinda disappointing as a subscriber. I sometimes think Walter Kirn in a subtle way keeps Taibbi a little more grounded than he normally would be.
Mr. D for the win.
Human trafficking, child sex trafficking, family separations, and drug trafficking came right along with Biden's cruel open border.
Where are the apologies from democrats?
I have remarked to a few people that, with respect to abortion, federal bureaucracy, and illegal immigration, that what we are seeing with Trump is the best case scenario.
The longer these situations developed and went to extremes, the less plausible or useful would be any "moderate, careful" solutions.
Absent Trump, i believe we would eventually see widespread violence as the "solution" on the ground.
interesting how the MSM always frames issues. In the case, of immigration and open borders, the focus in never, and i mean never, on the harm done to Native born Americans.
The MSM focus is always on "Poor illegal Pedro is being hurt by the mean ICE agents or the haters". Or its about "The crops are rotting in the fields" never on the negative impact of immigration on rents or anything else. 90 percent of immigrants and illegals do NOT, i repeat do NOT, work in Agriculture. But that's what the media always wants to talk about.
I was looking at the Demographics of NYC was shocked that 1/3 of the Senior Citizens in NYC were foriegn born. That's right, we're importing old people who go right on the Government benefits and need medical care. Just like we import criminals, uneducated idiots, the sick and the disabled.
No one in the MSM talks about it, because they want open borders and replacement of the Native born. Lets move on to the brave new world of America 2.0.
Ann gets to the nub of it. The goal isn't about solving or improving anything, it's electability. The crazy thing is they are actually openly saying it with their words. That's the ironic thing about narcissism is the complete lack of self-awareness.
Reader comments at NYT are shocking.
Most highly rated comment:
“The far left of the party needs to realize that their immigration policies are extremely unpopular outside of their blue bubbles.”
Comments are 90% against illegal migration to the US.
Another highly rated comment:
“As long as they back Kilmar Abrego Garcia and other ne’er do wells, the Dems will continue to lose elections. I won’t vote for them until they promise to never re-open the border. I’m not holding my breath.”
Here’s another one:
“Illegal border crossings are down about 98% under president Trump. The monthly peak of Border Patrol interceptions under Biden was over 250,000. Last month, it was 6,000.
We have, objectively, the most secure border in American history. It's astonishing that Trump has been able to deliver on his core campaign promise so quickly and so comprehensively. Most voters rightly see Democrats as the party of unfettered mass immigration, most of it illegal immigration across a wide-open border. Until that changes, Democrats will likely continue to lose on a national level.”
And another one:
“If you ‘decriminalize’ something you are de facto legalizing it. If you decriminalize shoplifting, you’re you’ll get more shoplifting. If you decriminalize illegal boarding crossings, there will be more illegal border crossings. The Democrats had a de facto open border policy and it cost them dearly.”
There’s been a tremendous shift in the attitudes of most readers at the NYT.
The Democrats have a series of these embarrassing, dishonest performances. The fact that they are stupid enough to do them and think they are useful is another reason intelligent people should never vote Democrat. "Stupid is as stupid does."
I think one of the reasons that the Progressives attack Trump at each and every turn, even when it seems irrational, is that they recognize that Trump is much better at recognizing public sentiment, and getting out in front of it.
The Progressive way of using public sentiment is to engineer it into place - they'll use the media to propagandize an intention that might otherwise be unpopular, and prime the pump, so to speak.
They've done this with racial issues, with sexual issues, with class issues - and the intent is always to create a base for political power and plunder - to condition people to support things they ordinarily would not endorse. What normal person could endorse boys in their daughter's locker room, without being conditioned into accepting it?
But most people don't like to be instructed on their beliefs. Trump is very savvy at recognizing a groundswell of popular opinion, articulating it, and putting his political authority behind it. By doing this, his sales pitch is already more than half-way accepted by his audience, because they are already aligned. He aligns himself to ideas he can endorse himself, and this heightens his authenticity.
I think with time, and with his continued successes at governing, Trump's authenticity will become something that is accepted as currency of its own - and public opinion will begin to follow Trump's direction. This kind of political agency will absolutely drive the Progressive Left crazy, because it's an authority they dream of having for their own purposes, but never can attain - because their motives are always inauthentic, their methods deceptive.
Trump understands the power of branding.
A political party with Ayanna Presley at its ideological center has lost its capacity to maneuver. Her accusations are the same ones she made 10 years ago, and the same ones she'll be making 10 years from now. There is no next move other than the movement dictated by cruel inertia.
"The Democrats onstage saw themselves as morally courageous."
I don't believe they really did, but they believed there were a lot of dumb people who would. They were right about that, just not right enough.
What was that song? Oh yes:
"True colors shining through"
The next moves are facts and laws. Real, complete facts about what illegals cost us in social services, medical, schools, food, and housing -- we have the data. Facts about how many and which corporations and local governments subcontract to companies that use illegals to do the real labor. Facts about what it costs the average American family to support the non-working, child, non-taxpaying working, and elderly illegal. Enact E-verify and enforce it. Audit people who are wealthy but don't submit income tax payment (w-6?) forms for lawn, repair, and home help. Target businesses known for breaking the law-- agriculture, hospitality, roadwork, yard-work, home healthcare, construction. Punish the owners. Deport all illegals who commit crimes, all who overstayed student visas, starting with those with decent countries to return to. Use state labor boards to connect youth and adults to these "jobs Americans won't do. Use newly abandoned job-corps sites to do necessary training.
the Democrat party is now OFFICIALLY the AWFUL party
(Affluent White Female Urban Liberals)
want to SEE the current Democrat party?
inga? Vicki from Pasadena? Teabag hag?
can you post links to your selfies?
People want to see the current Democrat party
Very little Trump hatred in the NYT comment section. Anger aimed at the Democrats Party permeates the most popular comments. Democrats seem to be in more trouble than I thought.
Remember urbanites, mostly left leaning, had to deal with the huge influx of illegal aliens in their cities and neighborhoods. They lost access to schools, gyms, playgrounds, rec centers, etc., had to endure the overwhelming congestion and trash, all while dealing with homelessness and violence on public transportation. And, they had to pay for a good bit of it. I’m not surprised at all that normal left leaning people are done with tolerating illegal immigration. What good is empowering the Dems when they destroy your quality of life?
Eva 9:16 - - wow - thanks for posting.
Outside of the MicroSoft News/Tabloid for Democratics - hate and lie outlets - Most ordinary citizens can feel the negative effects of Biden's 4 years.
Soft on crime - open borders - High crime... People are sick of it.
Hamas is to Iran as Biden/Mayorkas is to the Democrats. Each sparked the downfall of their host, unexpectedly.
The MN killer - interesting that went away.
They all lied and said "MAGA!". Reality is must more sinister... and it leads to the same corrupt left we all know about.
The narrative that the only way to deal with illegal immigration is "comprehensive immigration reform" (by which they mean blanket amnesty and citizenship) has been basically destroyed.
Hopefully, so has the great migration narrative that would have us believe the millions of illegals flocking to America and Europe was the result of some kind of unexpected, not-fully-understood, organic, worldwide demographic phenomenon akin to a hundred year flood or something rather than a planned invasion of the West organized and carried out by revolutionary Marxists working within the target countries' own governments.
"The narrative that the only way to deal with illegal immigration is "comprehensive immigration reform" (by which they mean blanket amnesty and citizenship) has been basically destroyed."
You don't really expect the left to give it up, do you?
Original Mike - no they will not give it up.
The left are so devious - they know all of these illegals can still be harnessed for their grand plan of a glorious corrupt one party state.
NEW: Rioters in Mexico City demand that Americans stop immigrating to their country and “stop stealing” their homes.
You can’t make this up.
Locals are fuming that Americans are “imposing their culture” and taking over.
Some went as far to say that “gringos” should be k*lled while others told them to “get out of Mexico.”
"Since COVID, American “digital nomads” have been flocking to Mexico City.
“Mexico City is going through a transformation. There are a lot of foreigners, namely Americans, coming to live here,” said one local."
with a video:
https://x.com/i/status/1941669054219157573
"can you post links to your selfies?
People want to see the current Democrat party"
Ewwww- no. You can look if you want but I don't need to see it.
I think what the Democratic Party needs to do is to reveal who was actually in charge during Biden's Presidency. The Democratic Party is a party if liars, pure and simple.
I don't argue that Republicans do not lie. But the Press is eager to cover and embellish Republican lies. Democratic lies and oversteps are not covered.
Until the Press and the Democratic Party stop sleeping together, it's hard for me to vote for a Democrat. Too much opportunity for shenanigans that the press will ignore.
Today’s blog has a theme.
Has beens.
If Dems are going to be led by people like Presley, then they've hit rock bottom.
@Althouse, thank you for the free access link. I see that — true to form — the Times cannot publish an article without slipping in a few anti-Trump lies and pushing a few Trump hoaxes. Commentator holdfast (8:53) disposes of the tossed-off allegation that family separations were due to Trump policies (unless they’re complaining about his policy of operating within the law).
But then there’s this: Congressional Democrats tried to step in, striking a compromise on a bipartisan border bill that would have made illegal entry more difficult while allowing admitted migrants to receive work permits more quickly. But Mr. Trump pressed Republicans to torpedo it, to deny Mr. Biden a victory and keep the issue inflamed heading into November.
I think I recall a bipartisan border bill that never got past the early negotiation stage, but my recollection was that the hard left Democrats killed it, not Trump. Can anyone confirm?
At any rate I see that now Democrats realize that resources to provide services to illegal immigrants must necessarily come from other component parts of the Democrat coalition, including, to their dismay, inner city black people? Mayor Brandon Johnson made that very explicit to his Chicago constituents, and they were much less than thrilled about it. More importantly just now the Democrats are learning that open borders are unpopular with Hispanic voters? They’re going to do listening tours? The Hispanic citizenry have been figuratively standing on the table to proclaim their opposition since before Trump came down that escalator. They have not been subtle, but neither have they been heard. That’s because listening requires open minds and open ears, and the Democrats possess neither.
My conversations with Democrat acquaintances over the last 8 months reveal that Biden's border policies continue to enjoy support among the base (although there is a growing awareness of the electoral problem the NYTimes article addresses). As with the other 80/20 issues the Democrats are on the wrong side of, discussing "messaging" rather than policy seems to be the easiest way forward in the Blue Zones.
All the Dems I know showed up for the No Kings rally and still adore that idiot known as Bernie Oligarchy Sanders.
I find the Dem base to be hopeless and dumb. ..Completely hypothesized by the lies they are fed.
That said - the comments over there give me hope.
'morally courageous' - this is 'socialist morality'. Not the sort of morality Americans are familiar with. Also see 'socialist legality' - what we see from Dem Fed district court judges every day. The Dems are the communist party in everything but name. Their ideas come from the former East Germany.
They could start by saying that those that have committed crimes while here should be deported, but they don't seem to be able to do that minimal bit.
Is Jim Crow really dead? Not in the Northern states. For some reason I looked up Yonkers New York on Wikipedia yesterday. Its public schools were integrated by a federal court order in 1988. There was "white flight" from the public schools. Shades of Mississippi and Medgar Evers--25 years on. Of course Yonkers was run by Democrats.
Both WaPo and NYT refer to the Democrats' "leftward shift". Yet it was not that long ago that the "left" wanted restricted immigration to keep wages high for their working supporters. The Democrats have essentially admitted that they have become the party of idle parasites, and they want to import as many of them as they can. But is that really a "leftward shift"? The scum at NYT and WaPo are probably too young to realize that the Left has not always been for open borders.
Jim Crow lasted decades longer than people remember .... think Boston and Howard Beach and busing.
I cannot emphasize enough the importance of the "game" viewpoint that Althouse mentioned. It is absolutely pervasive among the professional class Democrats I know. They merely shrug, when I point out the outright lies of Democrat politicians--Obama's "if you like your healthcare insurance," Warren's fake Indian identity, every Democrat candidate in 20008 saying they opposed gay marriage, Romney paid no income taxes. Being on the right side of History grants you a pass to take a deeply cynical view of electoral politics and law and personal morality.
I don't see the white and colored signs on bathrooms and drinking fountains anymore. I guess I must need glasses.
You nailed it, Ann. "You can't win the confidence of the people if they can see it's a game."
This actually goes for both parties, but the GOP got a lucky pass with Trump. He does not fit into any conventional category. And he can zero in on what the majority of people want. Democrats seem so very far out of touch with the American people.
And here's the thing. This didn't happen overnight. It didn't just happen during Biden's term (or was that Ron Klain's term?). This has been a work in progress for the far left to drag the Democratic Party to the far fringes- for years. It was ignored by many for years until one day they woke up and realized they could not even publicly state what a woman was.
When you find you cannot even publicly define what a woman is, it makes it hard for you to recover in a snap (keep in mind, we have a Supreme Court Justice with this thinking problem.)
As long as it took the Democrats to be drawn to the place they now call home (siding with illegal gangs, antisemites, socialists, and Antifa rioters) it's going to take an effort, and at least that long, to regain the faith of the majority of the American people.
Over the last few elections I've been posting right here in the comments that there should not be another Democrat elected for two generations. That it'll take at least that long to clean it out.
I hope that comes to pass. Any shorter period and it will not be fixed- just covered over, waiting to pop out again.
Ayanna Pressley was a prominent Democrat.
Due to Democrat Party regrets, her prominence is going to diminish rapidly.
Aggie at 9:26--Well said, and I think that you are correct--about the Progressives and about Trump.
"The Democrats onstage saw themselves as morally courageous."
I don't believe this for a second. The game was to improve their electoral numbers by importing as many bodies as they could. There's no way this was not a deliberate strategy.
Aggie at 9:26--"The Progressive way of using public sentiment is to engineer it into place - they'll use the media to propagandize an intention that might otherwise be unpopular, and prime the pump, so to speak."
Yep. Our media is a very negative influence on the well being of our country.
I've become convinced that the Obama and Biden presidencies were periods of unbelievable amounts of corrupt grifting via government largesse by the left, taken to utterly unsustainable levels that even the most pigheaded of them must have known would end in a crashing economy or a terrible retribution by those not in on it. The normal governmental processes were upended in the Biden years with trillions of additional government spending - through legal but what must be seen as horribly corrupt means - into the pockets of the Left. Unforgivable is the nicest term I can use to describe their behavior, and it continues to this day.
"Democrats have to stop talking about the issue of immigration within a Republican frame. This has nothing to do with law and order. This is about power, control, terror, and it is about racism and xenophobia. Donald Trump wants to make America Jim Crow again, and then some."
What a piece of shit.
They are so desperate to keep working class wages down they will lie about anything.
Anyone who supports the Democrat party right now is essentially a confederate fighting for slavery. They should be treated the same way.
Surrender or get the F out.
Bob Boyd said...
"How many foreigners are we supposed to allow into the country if they can swing a hammer?
A million? 5 million? 20 million? 200 million? A billion?
We either have immigration laws or we don’t. wtf does it matter if they found a roofing gig?" - Oilfield Rando on X
They will import as many as they need to keep wages down.
Democrats hate the working class.
When I tasked Grok with drawing a map showing world population concentration if there were no restrictions on movement the United States showed the greatest gains.
With a population of 600 million.
There have been times when Democrats have had the power to make legal immigration easier. They haven’t, and won’t, because legal immigrants are of no value to them.
"Big Mike said...
Ayanna Pressley was born in 1974, a decade after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stuffed Jim Crow in a coffin and 9 years after the Voting Rights Act of 1965 nailed it shut. She has no personal memory of Jim Crow, and has never spent a second of her life under Jim Crow. She has no idea what she is talking about."
And she probably doesn't know that the odious Jim Crow laws, like slavery, segregation, and the KKK, were products of the Democrats.
For the Dems, promoting illegal immigration is just another strategy for gaining and holding political power, along with suppression of conservative voices, using the courts and the Deep State "resistance" to neutralize conservative politicians and impede conservative governance, rigging elections, using taxpayer funds to support leftwing political activities, etc. The Dems' promotion of illegal immigration is all about flooding the country with vast numbers of people needing taxpayer support, who at a minimum will be used to inflate blue state representation in Congress and the Electoral College, but whom the Dems think can be counted on in the future to elect leftwing candidates.
The fact is, the Dem party is fundamentally a socialist party. Dems want unfettered control over the economy and society. That most of the country is strongly opposed to socialism is of no importance to them, other than to force them to camouflage their designs and intentions, whether about immigration or anything else.
It's a strange bunch of socialists we have in the Democrats. They are contemptuous of the workers and peasants and mostly admire the professional and academic classes and the mountebanks of show business.
The problem with politics as a game is that if the rules are arbitrary and malleable, eventually people might start feeling like chumps for playing by the rules, especially if they feel like they are consistently losing. It gets a little tiresome. That's how we ended up electing Trump.
The GOP needs to take note. If a once in a lifetime president like Trump is struggling to change things with GOP majorities in both houses, the GOP shouldn't be the slightest bit surprised by the things that Elon Musk will end up doing and the support that Musk may eventually attract.
to the point that London is only 40% English, and many cities are going that same way,
of course we have such small margins, because the census count, underplayed the growth of voters in red states, along with mark elias magic pen
like the Labour Party, the Socialists and the Democracy Party in Italy, reformed Communists, also the SED in Germany,
'to serve man' is decidedly a cook book
It's hilarious to read leftist commentary. They try to get it... they creep up to the very edge... Then inevitably, they cannot help but recoil into their cozy Trump-Hate mind-prison.
they succeeded all too well, they just didn't want us to notice, and protest
@ Achilles re: 1:16pm
The quoted post was in reference to those arguing for not deporting construction workers and hotel workers and the like, an idea even Trump has floated.
NYT closed the comment section at 1060 comments which is quite a few comments and also normal to eventually close the comment section. I thought eventually there might be an effort to add a lot of pro immigration comments. There wasn’t. Comments were uniformly against the current Democrat position on immigration.
Here!s an additional popular comment:
“This encapsulates the problem for Democrats ‘they see as an insidious and ambitious effort by the Trump administration to demonize and deport Black and brown immigrants’. Democrats see everything through the prism of race. That's why they can't wrap their heads around why people don't want illegal immigrants in the country.”
At this point the Democrats are a religious cult. Their religion is The Right Side of History. This is why they are consistently coming down on the 20% side of these 80/20 issues. They genuinely believe that History can only go one way and that it will vindicate them in the end. Unfortunately for them, History swings both ways, and History is currently being made by the other side.
"Donald Trump wants to make America Jim Crow again, and then some."
What Ayanna Presley wants to do is change laws and policies she doesn't have the votes nor the political clout to change. It's called democracy, and as St. Barry noted, elections have consequences. The people voted for strict enforcement of immigration laws. You don't have the votes to stop Trumps mandated agenda all you can do is whinge and lie about it and call him a racist.
Forty years in the wilderness seem to be required. A new generation of Dem politicians untainted by the Biden debacle must emerge.
Bob Boyd said...
@ Achilles re: 1:16pm
The quoted post was in reference to those arguing for not deporting construction workers and hotel workers and the like, an idea even Trump has floated.
I think a work visa program would be excellent for this sort of thing.
There would have to be tight controls and the program would have to be tied to working class wage conditions including minimum pay for visa employees.
Someone who understands the balance between labor and capital would need to manage the system
"Democrats have to stop talking about the issue of immigration within a Republican frame. This has nothing to do with law and order.
It has EVERYTHING to do with "law and order"
They came here illegally, they need to be deported. THAT is "law and order". Letting them stay is a violation of that
This is about power, control, terror, and it is about racism and xenophobia. Donald Trump wants to make America Jim Crow again, and then some."
For the Democrats it most certainly IS about power and control. They use the illegals to punch up their population in reapportionment, and they let illegals vote to make sure Dems win.
It's hatred of actual Americans not he part of the Dems
If virtue signaling was a currency Democrats could pay off America's national debt and still have money left over.
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