I'm sure her testimony is valuable, but I see at least 5 problems with the Dershowitz assertion: 1. She may have misunderstood or misperceived what she witnessed when she witnessed it. 2. She will have forgotten some things, 3. She may misremember when she attempts to recall when she is questioned now, 4. She has so much reason now to lie, distort, or at least shape her story to serve her obvious self-interest, 5. Arranging a trip doesn't mean that you know everything that happens everywhere on the plane and at the destination.
ADDED: I know what I've listed are typical problems, and of course, Professor Dershowitz know what they are, but he's the one who chose to say: "She knows everything." Even if she did "know everything" — contra points 1, 2, 3, and 5 — the problem that is point #4 remains. She's a human being, not a stone, Rosetta or otherwise.
Senator Charles Schumer, the Democratic leader, questioned whether [Todd Blanche, Attorney General Pam Bondi’s top deputy] had offered Ms. Maxwell “some kind of a corrupt deal so that she can exonerate Donald Trump.”
Teresa Helm, who was abused by Mr. Epstein and testified against Ms. Maxwell, was blunt about the consequences of such a deal.... “It would mean the complete crumbling of this justice system that should first and foremost stand for, fight for and protect survivors,” she said, adding that the government had accused Ms. Maxwell of perjury on top of other charges.
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She could say that Chuck Schumer was a regular customer.
Don't objections 1, 2, and 3 apply to any eyewitness testimony in any trial? How is this different?
She should be given immunity for all the things for which she wasn't convicted in the 2021 trial. Then get her testimony under oath in a public forum, such as Congress. She should not be pardoned or have her sentence commuted.
"Don't objections 1, 2, and 3 apply to any eyewitness testimony in any trial?"
Yes, which is part why Dershowitz's assertion is so plainly wrong.
It's in every Evidence casebook when you study the hearsay rule.
"every Evidence casebook"... I didn't actually check every Evidence casebook. I don't really "know" that. But I have worked with a lot of Evidence casebooks....
And you can smell the flop-sweat coming off the Democrats right now- they have gone all-in on the Trump-pedo charge and are likely to have their bets on it called now. At this point, she is very unlikely to fabricate any story she tells since she will never receive immunity for perjury.
"She should not be pardoned or have her sentence commuted."
Even if that never happens, she's still motivated to try to make it happen.
The Democrats need to be a lot less worried about "exonerating" President Trump, and a lot more worried about the explosive reaction to everything else. If President Trump decides to do the right thing and start going after Epstein's clients, the shockwaves will shake DC to the ground.
She was sentenced to 20 years but will probably be given parole half-way through. It is in her personal interest to cooperate fully.
How did every Evidence casebook get into Althouse pajamas... I don't really "know".
Yesterday, Maxwell's attorney did a standup outside the Tallahasee courthouse or wherever they're doing the interviews. He said one intriguing thing that I haven't heard before: Epstein's 2008 plea bargain included a provision that no other co-conspirators would be prosecuted. This includes Maxwell. He concludes that she shouldn't be locked up at all, even if she tells Blanche to FOAD, because she should never have been indicted in the first place.
Now this guy is an attorney. He knows he is not under oath in public, so he can stretch things, but he also knows he loses capital in court and the USAO if he does too much of that. So there must be a kernel of truth to what he's saying.
Anyone else know anything about this?
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Question to ask Trump.
Has he thought about changing the name "Rosetta" stone for "Ivanka" stone?
I have no doubt there will be more to come, but will it something or nothing? Our social algorithm is so attuned to all the elements attached to this, and the stakes get ratcheted up each day.
We just have to see the full footage of the car crash before the gaggle of primates can get on with their business. How impressive we are. How advanced.
How do you say no to "what about the children?" Good thing we're not subject to manipulation.
----- I didn't actually check every Evidence casebook. I don't really "know" that. But I have worked with a lot of Evidence casebooks....
A little hyperbole -- which may not even be hyperbole -- is permitted in making your point clearly, if I may say so. Your clarification, that you would even feel it necessary to make, is yet another condemnation of our litigious and divided world; and our society's lack of common sense, which elevates absurd claims and arguments to have to be taken seriously.
The only consolation to our state is that it registers the high quality of our peace and prosperity. When those are seriously challenged, absurd claims and arguments (and those with little sense who cannot resist making them) will be swept away by much more serious challenges. So in one way that will be good, but in many ways it will not be good at all. Lord hear our prayer, amen.
John Mosby, I doubt such a plea provision would be enforceable on the federal government even if it were the federal government with whom Epstein made the deal. However, wasn't Epstein's deal with the state of Florida?
Ya'll relax. Donald Trump said angrily "I'll give you a list." Because of course he knows that's what we want and we're not going to be motivated to go out and vote for Republicans in the mid-terms if he continues to withhold the list. They have a list. They know who's on the list. All they have to do is ask the prime witness, "Who's on the list" and they can get a complete list and release it.
And then we'll all be happy. We'll have our list of pedophiles that Donald Trump refuses to arrest, or hold to account in any way.
We'll have the list.
Aren't people overlooking some potential witnesses who are even more important than Maxwell, like the alleged VICTIMS? For example, if the claim is that Trump made a trip to Epstein's to have sex with a minor, wouldn't the prosecutor kind of need to identify and present the testimony of the minor?
Well, she may not be a "stone" but this certainly gives her a direction home.
Eyewitnesses ate notoriously inaccurate
At this point, she is very unlikely to fabricate any story she tells since she will never receive immunity for perjury.
If she got in front of congress and said "As far as I know, Jeffery Epstein never met Donald Trump", with the stroke of an auto-pen, Trump could still pardon her for telling that bald-faced lie.
And really, don't even claim that Trump would not abuse his pardon power.
this woman would like to be freed. there's that too
All leftist conclusions and guesses - implicate Trump and ignore all the democratics pols and celebs.
"wasn't Epstein's deal with the state of Florida?"
No. It was an agreement signed by the US Attorney's office for the Southern District of Florida by then US Attorney Alexander Acosta. The deal included Epstein and four of his assistants - crucially not including Ghislaine Maxwell. However the deal included "unnamed potential co-conspirators" of Epstein and Maxwell is hinging her defense on this part of the agreement.
The deal required Epstein to plead guilty to state charges (not federal). Chump charges with light potential sentences. Notably, this included solicitation of prostitution from a minor. We call this "statuatory rape" but rich people just call this "fucking." Epstein also had to pay resitution to his underage victims - thus paying a "Whore Tax."
This is your government. It's the things we all do together.
Then, once Epstein got sentenced to prison, he was given a deal where he could go to the office for up to 12 hours a day to fuck more hot women at the office, then go home to the jail and sleep off whatever drugs and alcohol he consumed during his daily routine.
Acosta was appointed US Attorney by Donald Trump. Jeffrey Epstein was accused of sexually abusing and trafficking numerous underage girls, with the FBI identifying at least 40 victims.
Grok: "I should have been more direct in answering your question about what Jeffrey Epstein was accused of, without leaning on the government’s sanitized language. Epstein was accused of raping and sexually exploiting underage girls, often as young as 14, through coercive tactics like luring them to his mansion under false pretenses, paying them for sexual acts, and exploiting their vulnerabilities. These allegations, detailed in victim testimonies, police reports, and the 2018 Miami Herald investigation, describe non-consensual sexual acts—including intercourse and other forms of assault—that clearly constitute rape, especially given the victims’ minor status."
Freder proves that no matter what happens - Trump is guilty.
No word from loyal Soviet Democratic Freder about Bill Clinton.
Former Law Clerk - that all happened in 2008 - right?
Maybe she feels guilty and wants to confess her sins.
Yep, Fredo will never be convinced by any outcome that doesn't label Trump a pedo. You can reason someone out of a positin he didn't reason himself into.
Is Ghislaine an accomplice or a victim? Newsmax has begun referring to Ghislaine Maxwell as “a victim.” It’s complicated.
The corruption is Trump's personal lawyer interviewing her at all. He has no background knowledge and no other reason to interview her other than to assess his client's exposure and manufacture a strategy for avoidance.
Once again, Ladies and Gentlemen, I direct your attention to The List, that long compendium of those terrible, awful people that went to Epstein's disgusting island, to indulge in those forbidden pleasures of the flesh with (gasp) young women, some of them underage !
And pay no attention to the appalling abuse of power, authority, and propaganda being conducted even today by those in the halls of power, the international and domestic intelligence community that would conspire to hide and protect only certain select people, that would collect and hide the evidence, that would convict some and exonerate others, so that they may preserve their grip on authority. Never mind them.
Turns out the best way to make a deal to get out of your child sex trafficking conviction is to have one of your clients get elected president.
Former Law Clerk,
Fair enough- but if she wasn't a signatory to the deal, how can it cover her? For her to be able to enforce a deal of non-prosecution wouldn't she have to have been a participant in the signing of such a deal?
Like it or not, Bich, Blanche works for the Trump DoJ. Go pound sand, you sore loser.
Fredo claimed: "Don't even claim that Trump would not abuse his pardon power."
Trump would never sign a pardon for anybody involved in the Child Rape Organization known as the Jeffrey Epstein List.
He would just have his auto-pen do it, and then deny remembering any of it if asked - you know, just like Joe Biden did. Biden pardoned rapists.
The really hilarious thing, Bich, is that if Trump had never won the election you claimed was already over, no one would be talking about Epstein. Indeed, had Trump never won in 2016, Epstein would still be abusing underage girls since no one else would have had him arrested.
"if she wasn't a signatory to the deal, how can it cover her?"
The agreement Acosta arranged included "potential co-conspirators" and bound the government not to prosecute them. Maxwell says that's her. Here is the EXACT wording of that part of the Epstein agreement that Trump's DOJ offered Epstein:
"This agreement will not be made part of any public record. If the United States receives a Freedom of Information Act request, or any compulsory process commanding the disclosure of the agreement, it will provide notice to Epstein before making that disclosure. In consideration of Epstein’s agreement to plead guilty, and to make restitution to the identified individuals referred to, and in consideration of the other terms of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova.”
The government of course weaseled out of this and prosecuted Maxwell anyway, in defiance of this agreement and they're getting away with it.
Freder proves that no matter what happens - Trump is guilty.
I don't know whether or not Trump is guilty of raping underage girls or not.
But certainly his past statements (and photographs of him with Ivanka), do raise that disgusting possibility. He said he promised Ivanka that he would never date younger than her. He told Howard Stern if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he would date her. He boasted about walking into the locker room at the Miss Teen USA pageant.
I could go on.
Fredo, for all I know you are pedo, right?
FLC, but the deal was with Epstein, not Maxwell, right? The deal can only be enforced with regards to the people who signed the agreement.
Fredo, for all I know you are pedo, right?
If you can find public statements that imply I like teenagers and have ogled them just because I can get away with it, well than I guess you could think that poorly of me.
But until then, I suggest you shut the fuck up.
they charged her, then they settled with all parties the following year, that tells you everything you need to know,
I too think Freder is a pedo. It's that gut level thing.
Freder - if you so much as looked at a teenage girl - you're a rapist.
I too think Freder is a pedo. It's that gut level thing.
I know I should rise to the bait, but I think you and Yancey can fuck off.
they charged edwin wilson, for 20 years, the lead prosecutor barletta, who the Times celebrated, omitted the evidence that high officials in the CIA, had authorized his operations, this was uncovered on appeal (Barletta ended up working for BCCI) many of Wilson's network, ended up working for the Enterprise,
I might be an outlier here, but I do not want a list of people who palled around with Epstein to be publicized. Being on the list is not evidence of guilt of statutory rape. What I think should happen is cases be investigated thoroughly, and when sufficient, people are indicted and tried. That’s the way the system should work. Sure, some guilty people may get away with it and others may be exonerated yet still be thought guilty, but that’s our system. Innocent until proven.
“I too think Freder is a pedo. It's that gut level thing.”
I think Peachy is a dummy, it’s a gut level thing and it’s based on her stupid commentary.
Is that available in sofa size?
It would look good between my Elvis paintings.
she might not want to be found dead.
Dammit, wrong post.
Russia Russia Russia Russian Inag - you might want to check this out. It's a list of all the BS you swallow whole.
no shes been very observant of every fraud you have believed,
that makes her wise,
Fredo just has that "pedo vibe" and I am sure that had his life been as fully documented publicly as that of Donald Trump, we would have lots of comments and incidents and little moments that we could twist into an accusation that would meet the same level of proof as those raised against President Trump.
To me though, all of the evidence presented so far leads to the opposite conclusion about Trump. Why would a pedophile send a picture of a voluptuous, obviously sexually mature woman to Epstein for his birthday. Why would he remark on the youth of a girl in Epstein's office and then publicly comment that Epstein likes them very young? Why would he call for investigations multiple times of Epstein if they would lead back to him. None of it makes any sense unless your ground truth is that you hate Trump and anything you can use against him, true or not, is fair game.
What's funny is that there was actual video on Hunter Biden's laptop of Hunter with a very young Chinese girl, probably provided by the Chinese communists for his delectation on a laptop, probably for kompromat, little did they know that they could have presented video of him raping a minor on Fifth Avenue and the press wouldn't care. And there was other video of him with very young members of his own extended family, the nature of which I will not describe further, and none of that is evidence to Fredo.
Never mind the girl who said that Joe Biden did indeed grab her nipple when she was twelve years old, right on camera, just like it looked like, and nobody said a word, not even her parents, who wanted political power in the Democratic Party.
Yancey Ward writes: “Like it or not, Bich, Blanche works for the Trump DoJ. Go pound sand, you sore loser.”
Todd Blanche has a clear conflict of interest in acting as a lawyer for the United States while communicating with Ghislaine Maxwell. Donald Trump, his recent criminal defense client, has interests that conflict with those of the United States in any questioning of Maxwell.
This conflict could potentially be resolved through an informed written waiver from both Donald Trump, as a criminal defendant, and the United States. However, under these circumstances, the United States and Donald Trump are effectively one and the same, as he exerts significant influence over the Department of Justice.
To illustrate, consider this analogy: a mafia don is elected District Attorney and hires his personal defense lawyer as his first assistant. When implicated in a murder from before his term, he sends his personal lawyer/first assistant to interview one of the gunmen.
The personal attorney/first assistant is tasked with “investigating” and “clarifying” who was behind the killing, with authority to offer any deal or immunity necessary to secure the gunman’s testimony.
A conflict exists between the interests of the People of the State, whom the First Assistant represents, and the DA/mafia don, whom the First Assistant recently represented. Yet, this is deemed acceptable because the mafia don, acting as both himself and the DA, waives the conflict for himself and the People.
This scenario reflects the current situation, which is transparently lawless and corrupt. The discussions between Blanche and Maxwell are likely to occur in secret, with no reliable record of what is said—or of private conversations with Maxwell’s lawyer.
This administration is entirely capable of securing Maxwell’s testimony to exonerate Trump and implicate his political enemies in exchange for a commutation or pardon of her sentence. To claim otherwise is either dishonest or naive.
The political and intellectual leadership on the Right is divided: some enthusiastically support this, others remain silent to preserve power, and a shrinking group of principled individuals will condemn it.
Given such blatant lawlessness and corruption, why does anyone extend a presumption of good faith, regularity, or decency? Why do some believe these individuals deserve the benefits of a rule of law they openly disdain?
(Incidentally, the Department of Justice has occasionally argued it is not bound by state Rules of Professional Conduct, which would likely be part of their response in this case.)
I don't think it's humanly possible for us to know the truth about Epstein. And even if we knew the whole truth, I don't think it's humanly possible for us to believe it was the whole truth......If it can be established that Trump visited Lolita Island, can it be shown that he had sex with a teen age girl there. If a teen aged girl comes forward, can it it be shown that she's not lying. Similarly can the same rules apply to Bill Clinton or Sumners or whoever else visited Epstein's Island......Still, there are things that can perhaps be known. Where did Epstein get his money? Did all the girls involved get lucrative NDA's and where did that money come from?
I still find it amazing that someone with no formal training can amass a fortune of astounding size, maybe in the billions, and yet nobody can attest where it came from , how it was collected, or how the organization was run, or for what ultimate purpose. But *yawn* tell us about the client list, cuz we don't wanna know nuthin' else, nohow.
It's always projection with the Democrats. Always.
Acosta was appointed US Attorney by Bush II, and Epstein's deal with Acosta's office occurred in 2008., long before Trump became president. Trump appointed Acosta as Secretary of Labor in 2017.
"This administration is entirely capable of securing Maxwell’s testimony to exonerate Trump and implicate his political enemies in exchange for a commutation or pardon of her sentence."
Because that's what any Democrat would do, that's his evidence against Trump.
"Surely he would do the same thing our side would do, and surely he is just as guilty of these crimes as our guys, so he's clearly guilty!" - td;dr Rich
I agree with Breezy that we should go with evidence, law, and due process here, and not guilt by association. However, dems have demonstrated a fondness for lynchings, and for doing or saying anything they think helps them politically, regardless of any collateral damage.
wilson not whitey bulger is who they based james reddington on, allegedly he invested with wexner and levi Black, who was involved with Telemundo, which is Comcast, you see the wider picture,
The Florida judge who let Epstein go later said that he was informed that Epstein was an intelligence asset, presumably by somebody he believed would know.
too many powerful people, like jes staley, of barclays, which owns the Telegraph, really don't want to look into this story too deeply, like a Swiss Army knife it cuts in too many directions
I’d caution against the kind of myth-making we’re seeing from Alan Dershowitz, calling Maxwell “the Rosetta Stone” of the Epstein case. That kind of framing assumes an infallibility that simply doesn’t hold up — and frankly, sounds a little too convenient coming from someone with a personal stake in how this story is remembered and told.
Maxwell’s serving a 20-year sentence and has every incentive to shape her testimony to serve her own interests — whether that’s angling for a pardon, settling scores, or salvaging what’s left of her image. And Trump — who’s already publicly wished her well and acknowledged the possibility of a pardon — is the king of dangling loyalty rewards to get what he wants, only to walk away when it no longer suits him. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if he implied a pardon to extract friendly testimony, then later whispered, “Sorry about your luck.”
Meanwhile, calling her the “Rosetta Stone” suggests she was omniscient — that arranging travel means knowing everything that happened at the destination, or that being nearby equates to unimpeachable insight. That’s a stretch — especially when we factor in the limitations of perception, the passage of time, and her glaring self-interest.
This entire scenario — interviews conducted by Trump’s former lawyer now acting as de facto Deputy AG, limited immunity granted behind closed doors, the sudden reemergence of a high-profile convict with powerful connections — doesn’t feel like transparency. It feels like narrative management. Not a pursuit of truth, but an effort to cherry-pick testimony that shields Trump and his allies while pointing fingers elsewhere.
Whether consciously or not, voices like Dershowitz are adding to the fog. Either by inflating Maxwell’s credibility or, as in your own post, by turning the discussion toward abstract questions about memory — which conveniently sidesteps the very real political machinery operating behind this moment. But this isn’t an intellectual exercise. It’s a high-stakes game of legal and political storytelling.
Jaq - all good points.
A woman who was called Katie Johnson was going to bring a lawsuit against Trump for raping her at an Epstein property. The day she was going public she withdrew her suit based on threats against her. According to her lawyer she was terrified.
““Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped
the reverse is probably true, narratives are being formed to obscure the connection of prominent parties, I mentioned two, is it a coincidence that msnbc and the telegraph have taken the tack they have, well only if one was born last night,
“PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING
Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016.
Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016.
Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016.
Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016.
Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.”
PBS link - LOL I like how ALL of the allegations were brought forward in 2016!
Kak: “ (Incidentally, the Department of Justice has occasionally argued it is not bound by state Rules of Professional Conduct, which would likely be part of their response in this case.)”
That would be a good development for both sides. Can you imagine if the Jim Crow southern states had disbarred US attorneys and their assistants, and the many FBI agents with JD’s?
Or what if present-day Texas decided that support for abortion is against the ethics of its bar? So when a D admin comes back, their attorneys get disbarred?
I never understood fedgov’s reliance on state certifications.
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one of the larger purveyors of the Russian hoax, as they currently do with the Hamas propagandists,
https://sacramento.newsreview.com/2019/10/21/wait-katie-johnson-actually-exists/
“Trump’s sexual assault accuser is real—and in hiding—says her former attorney
A California woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her a quarter-century ago when she was 13 has gone to ground, says her former attorney, deepening the mystery surrounding “Katie Johnson.”
“Recent attempts to reach … her have revealed that she has disconnected her telephone number,” Evan Goldman, a New Jersey attorney who represented Johnson in late 2016, wrote in an email.”
because federalism, we don't want an all powerful central government, now who was the US Attys in NY, in the Virgin Islands, where many of these offenses allegedly occurred,
why doesn't the Times do just a little digging, rhetorical
https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/jes-staley-allegedly-raped-jeffrey-epstein-victim/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2021/01/25/billionaire-leon-black-to-step-down-from-private-equity-giant-apollo-after-release-of-jeffrey-epstein-investigation/
were they ever charged, why or why not,
PBS link - LOL I like how ALL of the allegations were brought forward in 2016!
This sort of thing happens every time it looks like a right wing man may attain a position of power. I read that during the Kavanaugh hearings, the FBI received claims from 2500 different women claiming that he had raped them.
Any reasonable person knows that the dingbat claiming Trump raped her in a department store dressing room was a confabulist with a rape fetish. The only thing that trial taught me is that New York Democrats are my enemies, not my fellow Americans, and every vote I cast should be for people and policies that will drive them out of the country altogether.
The notion that women never make false claims about rape is one of the most laughable urban legends out there. No Republican man can ever receive a fair trial if there is even one female Democrat on the jury.
Quite a few people, myself included, have only a hazy grasp as to what information about Epstein is going to be definitively revealed by total transparency. That's not going to change no matter what Trump does.
It's also funny how Russia Russia Russia I-nag only shows up when she has a desperate thread.
You got him now!
I would say she should be ashamed, but we know thats not her bag, as ive pointed out, there are plenty of parties who have mixed motives for pushing this at this time,
walls are closing in, this time for shur
I suspect there's less there than some people hope, but I would be pretty surprised if none of Epstein's guests were having sex with the girls he procured. The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is that he intended it as a kind of blackmail, though, as opposed to a means of ingratiating himself. Compare with, e.g. Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) traveling to the Caribbean with his wealthy supporter Salomon Melgen and having sex with underage prostitutes. I don't think Melgen was trying to blackmail Menendez , just curry favour.
That said, Dershowitz is, I think, literally the only person other than Prince Andrew to have been accused of this. Dershowitz denied, got sued for defamation, countersued for defamation, and the accuser folded. So I suppose it's possible that no one did anything. But I think it's more likely that to the young girls involved, the wrinkly old businessmen, lawyers, and politicians were all basically indistinguishable at the time, so they're somewhat poorly positioned to pick the perpetrators out of a lineup.
Hassayamper said...
Any reasonable person knows that the dingbat claiming Trump raped her in a department store dressing room was a confabulist with a rape fetish. The only thing that trial taught me is that New York Democrats are my enemies, not my fellow Americans, and every vote I cast should be for people and policies that will drive them out of the country altogether.
This needs to be repeated. What EJ Carroll did and what the legal and judicial community of NYC did was indefensible and so clearly Unamerican that everyone involved needs to be shipped to Europe.
"He raped me in a public changing room 30 years ago."
Seriously go fuck yourself.
Anyone that cites the EJ Carroll case against Trump is a terrible human being and and decent society would put shame and exile on these people..
If she talks, she will say exactly what Trump and his DOJ want her to say, because that is the only way she will get pardoned or have her sentence commuted.
It really raises the question whether Todd Blanche is doing that in the role as Deputy AG, or if he's stepping back into his role as Trump criminal defense lawyer.
Freder is not discriminatory between girls amd boys with his pedophilia.
So many people are raped by conservatives ... but the victims never ever alert authorities when it would matter.
Freder Frederson said...
I too think Freder is a pedo. It's that gut level thing.
I know I should rise to the bait, but I think you and Yancey can fuck off.
Inga and Freder are too stupid to see what you all are doing here.
We are just pointing out that your accusations against Trump are no better than these accusations Freder.
I know you and Inga are mid 80's IQ. But hopefully this makes it clear enough for you morons what is going on here.
lonejustice said...
If she talks, she will say exactly what Trump and his DOJ want her to say, because that is the only way she will get pardoned or have her sentence commuted.
You mean like Bill Clinton did when he was deposed in his actual civil rape trial?
Peachy said...
PBS link - LOL I like how ALL of the allegations were brought forward in 2016!
It is like they put out a bat signal.
When the Democrats need someone gone they found 2500 women who said Kavanaugh raped them.
They are just trash people.
Roving Rapist Conservatives! Just like the roving MAGA killers - who roam the streets of Chicago in the dead of winter at 2AM.
Does not matter that the 2 guys Smollette hired, confessed to the hoax... - the left believe the hoax is real!
they don't matter, but those who have been pushing the narrative, from major platforms have very mixed motives, and truth telling is not one of them,
“It wasn’t enough to simply invite models to events: Trump started his own agency and Epstein invested in one.
Trump launched Trump Models in 1999. It represented Melania Knauss, who would later become his wife, and signed on teen models such as Alexia Palmer.
Epstein would later invest in Jean-Luc Brunel’s MC2 modeling agency. Brunel had been banned from his former agency in Europe after accusations of abuse.
Trump and Epstein were “representative of a type that has nibbled at the edges of the modeling business. If you’re in the market for women as sex toys, a higher echelon of that is models. They are, by definition, beautiful women. They also are beautiful young women,” Gross says. “You can go from there.”
Brunel was suspected of transporting girls or young women for Epstein. In 2022, less than three years after Epstein's death, he died by suicide in a French jail.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/25/trump-jeffrey-epstein-friendship-conspiracy/85307396007/
A clear example of the lack of sophistication among Trump supporters is that none of them are questioning why Trump plans to release only 900 pages of the 300,000-page Epstein case files he already possesses, despite claiming to be eager to share what his friend Ghislaine Maxwell has to say.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/beginnings-saturday-july-26-2025
Ghislaine Maxwell = Rosetta Stone?
As you know your regular teacher, Sister Rosetta Stone, is on a small vacation. However she does send her love, and finger paintings, and a desk club she's making. I am your substitute teacher, Sister Mary Elephant.
who didn't maurene choose to prosecute and why, there is the answer, see pat fitzgerald to cite one example, nifong, fne for another
It’s a distraction to keep attention away from Tulsi’s exposure of Obot sedition and Trump’s accomplishments. Just another in a long series of legacy media bullshit. See: https://donsurber.substack.com/p/medias-never-ending-trumpgates As usual, stupid Republicans including MAGA are complicit. Although I don’t discount the possibility that Republican pols are as corrupt as Dems.
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2025/07/26/the-demmedia-dont-want-to-give-the-story-oxygen-spin-about-gabbards-doc-drop-sure-sounds-familiar-n2416264 yep
Speaking as a former career prosecutor I can’t imagine Maxwell as a reliable witness or that the Democrats or the mediaswine would accept her “exoneration” of Trump. There is no evidence against him at this point anyway.
All of this is just to distract everyone from the fact that Russiagate originated in the Obama Whitehouse.
If the left had anything on Trump we'd have heard about it a decade ago. No. The dutiful little parrots including our usual suspects have to push a narrative that puts Trump in an even worse light. Sorry, kids. Your "light bringer" fucked up bad.
you would think that someone like glenn thrush, who was caught up with the metoo business, would be like a calico cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs, but you would be wrong,
Imagine if the Times ever cared about the truth of this matter
(that would happen on an alternate earth, of course,
Weeping Jesus on the Cross, people! If you are going to create crimes from whole cloth based on the prudery of 19th century middle class Englishwomen, reignited by the tortured Marxism of 20th century harridans, and then fling poo at each other like jumped up chimpanzees, at least use the language precisely. Here are your vocabulary words for the day: pedophilia (attraction to pre-pubescent children); hebephilia (attraction to 11-14 year olds); ephebophilia (attraction to 15 -19 year olds).
And anyone who believes 14-18 year old girls have no agency has clearly never parented teenaged daughters.
Those girls knew goddamn well what they were doing and cheerfully participated
If she has something that's been keeping her alive the last few years, all she has to do is tell them where it is.
hombre said...
Speaking as a former career prosecutor I can’t imagine Maxwell as a reliable witness or that the Democrats or the mediaswine would accept her “exoneration” of Trump. There is no evidence against him at this point anyway.
All she has to do is convince a jury.
The claim that the girls involved with Jeffrey Epstein "knew what they were doing and cheerfully participated" oversimplifies a complex and disturbing situation. It ignores the power dynamics, manipulation, and coercion often at play. Many of Epstein's victims were minors, some as young as 14, recruited under false pretenses with promises of money or opportunities. Epstein, a wealthy and influential adult, exploited their vulnerabilities—whether financial, emotional, or social. Legal and psychological evidence shows that minors cannot consent to such arrangements due to their developmental stage and the inherent imbalance of power.
The counterargument might be that some victims returned or recruited others, suggesting willingness. But this ignores how grooming can normalize abuse, making victims feel complicit or dependent. Psychological coercion, as seen in cases like R. Kelly or cult dynamics, can blur the line between choice and exploitation.
Data shows that traffickers often exploit minors’ need for validation or stability, which Epstein did systematically.Blaming victims shifts focus from the perpetrator’s actions. Epstein’s wealth and status enabled him to evade accountability for years, as seen in his 2008 plea deal. The real question is why the system protected him, not whether vulnerable girls “knew better.”
The left are desperate to turn Trump into a pedo-rapist.
Trump was a cad back in the day - but he never raped anyone.
Trump was a good looking wealthy man - young women threw themselves at him. Modeling in the 1990's - again... and?
The left will build their crime off of desperate connection- hearsay without proof or any actual crime.
Inag - "Oh look - Russian Oligarchs are discussing Trump on the deck of an Oligarch yacht, again. Maddow has the scoop."
Now that the Russia Russia lies are exposed - all the left have are desperate fake-rape fantasy threads.
"I read that during the Kavanaugh hearings, the FBI received claims from 2500 different women claiming that he had raped them."
And there's the problem with Inga's stories. We all witnessed the Kavanaugh/Blaisy Ford spectacle.
Why did Bill Clinton invite Epstein to the White House during his presidency?
@ Kakisticracy - fuck “power dynamics” and the Marxism it ride in on. By what power did Helen of Troy cause the Greeks to sail on Troy? Her ability to explicate a poem? Her mastery of geometry? How about startling beauty backed up by tenacious tits and a tight pussy? Denying the sexual power of attractive young women is denying biological reality. Are you a science-denier?
Bill Clinton invited Epstein to the White house during his presidency.
why?
Epstein and Ghislaine were at Chelsea Clinton's wedding-.
why?
"She should not be pardoned or have her sentence commuted."
Even if that never happens, she's still motivated to try to make it happen.
When no evidence of Trump being involved with underaged girls ever arises, the haters will claim the files were destroyed or edited and that Maxwell was lying in hopes of a shorter sentence.
The haters are already saying delay in releasing files is so Trump administration has time to examine and modify or destroy evidence.
Any commenter here believe that our TDS sufferers will accept the truth?
@kakistocracy- we passed a law, and that made it so! Ha ha ha ha ha. And as for psychology, hebephilia is not a disorder per DSM V.
Epstein was the only pedophile. No doubt plenty of his visitors were cheating on their wives with Jeff's prostitutes and are sweatin' bullets now.
In fact , with all the publicity, every husband who had contact with Jeff has probably been interrogated by the Mrs.
I can’t even imagine how bad the morale must be among career prosecutors, paralegals and staff across the entire US DoJ. And things just get more perilous every single day.
Not to mention the 1000 FBI agents reading about Trump, then flagging his name. How many of those 1000 saw him in videos or photographs? Of those, how many did something about it besides hide the truth?
"..potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova.”
What do these four have to say? Haven't seen them mentioned in the news
Not to mention the 1000 FBI agents reading about Trump, then flagging his name. How many of those 1000 saw him in videos or photographs? Of those, how many did something about it besides hide the truth?
With all due respect, this is fucking stupid. If any of it were true, there'd be all the incentive in the world for a whistleblower to tell the world. They'd all be Scrooge McDuck, swimming in a pool of cash. We've seen fake whistleblowers brought to our attention for years, all to no effect. I suppose that's why your morale is bad, having to spend your days conjuring fantasies that never come to pass. You really need a hobby, pal.
What do these four have to say?
They were given explicit immunity decades ago.
Did flc lie when he said that Acosta was appointed us attorney by Trump? It appears he did.
Per grok:
No, Donald Trump was not president when Jeffrey Epstein received his Florida plea deal. The plea deal occurred in 2008, during George W. Bush’s presidency (2001–2009). Trump was a private citizen at the time, as his first term as president began in January 2017.
Regarding Alex Acosta, he was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida in 2007 by Bush, not Trump. Acosta, as U.S. Attorney, oversaw the controversial non-prosecution agreement with Epstein in 2008, which allowed Epstein to plead guilty to lesser state charges and serve 13 months in a county jail, largely on work release.
Funny that it was just a day or so ago, the progressives were chattering about how the Trump Administration was trying to get the Epstein stuff to go away. Now, when they are bringing Epstein's girlfriend to provide testimony; they don't want to hear it. It is almost like the progressives never wanted to Epstein stuff to become public yet wanted to keep it as a topic to bash Trump with. It is eerily similar to the way nobody has seen the actual Epstein Birthday Book, and how progressives tried to hide the real Steele Dossier while using it to bash Trump.
"You really need a hobby, pal."
He has a hobby. We're it.
ooo - I found one of the Russia Russia Russia - Soviet Maddow recaps
Pedophilia is a reference to children, is an equitable and inclusive queer sexual orientation. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins? Is licit under Democratic law. Forward and backward! #HateLovesAbortion
Trump did appoint Acosta to a position in his first administration. The interesting thing is when Trump appoints a person, it means all their actions past, present and future reflect Trump's intentions forever. When Tim Walz appoints a person, it means nothing. It doesn't reflect on Tim Walz at all. Even if the appointee explicitly says they were acting on Tim Walz request.
"Peachy said...
ooo - I found one of the Russia Russia Russia - Soviet Maddow recaps
7/26/25, 11:44 AM"
Pretty funny short TDS. vid
Where can I go to watch the mounting of the concerns?
"ooo - I found one of the Russia Russia Russia - Soviet Maddow recaps"
Can't you just imagine Inga wallowing in all that?
Poor Dingabat- that lawsuit was dropped in November 2016 because its only purpose was to get Trump defeated in the election. After he won, no one wanted to fund a fraud.
"I know I should rise to the bait, but I think you and Yancey can fuck off."
What is wrong, Fredo- you angry about being held to the same level of evidence as Donald Trump?
Perusing the internet, it seems Althouse commenter Freder (Fredo)Frederson has been accused of pedophilias by numerous sources.
Mr. Frederson has refused to deny the accusations.
Using Climate Alarmist™ logic, many comments here implicate Fredo as a pedo, so there's consensus. And as such, anybody who disagrees is a pedo denialist.
I can almost smell the desperation of the Althouse lefties to smear Trump with Epstein allegations.
It is the smell of Igna’s early morning Chardonnay that she drinks to wash down her Xanax and Prozac.
Might as well just murder this witness, just like all the rest of them. God forbid we actually ask "someone who was there".
Maybe just outlaw any sort of immunity. Is it just me or does the Hostess seem a bit concerned about what may slither from beneath the rocks?
Bill Clinton suddenly is never mentioned. Not Prince Andrew.
I'm sure the walls are closing in.
And the worst way to put a pedophile scandal to rest is by pardoning the convicted pedophile/enabler.
Madison Man writes: “Bill Clinton suddenly is never mentioned.”
All I can think is that Joe Paterno and Bernard Law still had their fans. Child rape isn't a deal-breaker for some, I guess. Me, I was already done with Clinton, so if this implicates him, arrest his @ss.
"Bill Clinton suddenly is never mentioned."
Trump just did. Heh.
@Kakistocracy - I generously provided definitions. Is it alleged there was de facto pedophilia on Epstein’s island? I have heard of none
Kakistocracy said...
Madison Man writes: “Bill Clinton suddenly is never mentioned.”
All I can think is that Joe Paterno and Bernard Law still had their fans. Child rape isn't a deal-breaker for some, I guess. Me, I was already done with Clinton, so if this implicates him, arrest his @ss.
Interesting to watch you pretend you have any principles that you wouldn't instantly discard.
Are you still defending Joe Biden or is he disposable to you now too?
VDH:
"One, after the 2016 election of Donald Trump but before his inauguration, Obama convened a strange meeting with his outgoing intelligence and investigatory heads — CIA Director John Brennan, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director James Comey, National Security Advisor Susan Rice, and a few others.
Contrary to a four-year Democratic Party narrative that "18 intelligence agencies" had long claimed Russian collusion, the top directors apprised Obama that their expert colleagues had found no such evidence of Trump-Putin collusion.
Yet outgoing President Obama allegedly directed them to ignore such an assessment. Instead, they began spreading narratives that President-elect Trump had been colluding with the Russians."
If Bill Clinton cheats on his wife with a young intern in the oval office- it's just human sexuality.
if anyone on the "right" ever has sex = It's rape.
You'd think some people would learn their lessons after being consistently wrong about everything they spewed in the past.
But, alas ...
The Conspiracy:
Todd Blanche traveled to Florida to investigate what Ghislaine Maxwell knew, particularly about the names associated with Jeffrey Epstein and what she might reveal if questioned by Congress or the courts.
Would she disclose names, including Trump’s, or remain silent on that front? If she were to speak, what would she demand in return? How else can this situation be interpreted?
On a parallel track, who are the "co-conspirators" assured immunity from prosecution alongside Epstein as part of the Florida settlement between Epstein and Alexander Acosta (who later became Trump’s Secretary of Labor)?
Maxwell claims that, as one of Epstein’s co-conspirators, she should also have been exempt from prosecution and is now appealing on those grounds. What does she know, and what might she reveal if her appeal moves forward? The president’s lawyer wants answers.
These appear to be very real conspiracies. I don’t view any of them as merely theoretical.
Maxwell may make up a list. She won't tell all. She'll play up the idea that she was just the party coordinator and had no idea what else was going on. That will help the government to bury the story, so she'll get some time shaved off her sentence.
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"Walked into the dressing room" and "walked in while they were dressing" are different things. I don't know which description fits Trump at the beauty pageant, but every movie about the theater has a scene in the dressing room and nobody is actually undressed.
Knowing everything and witnessing everything are two different things.
"You'd think some people would learn their lessons after being consistently wrong about everything they spewed in the past."
Not just consistently wrong, but wrong every single time, is our Kaka/Bich. Even Fredo gets something right every year but Bich is zero for 10000 at this point.
Was Maxwell a progressive influencer or did she lean in with a liberal orientation? Either way, quite queer. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins #DEI
Katie Johnson failed to follow through on her "lawsuit" because her intended desire for Trump to maybe settle to keep her quiet failed, and she did not want to go to court as a LIAR. Not because she was "terrified".
Acosta was not a State Attorney put there by President Trump. STOP LYING. It is so easily disproven but the Left and the delusional Leftist liars here can't stop gaslighting to save their lives. BTW, I like to have sex with young women. Women that are not minors. Why? Because they are the age I like to f*ck before they get old and ratty and want you to jump through hopes fotr 60 year old p*ssy. I admire Trump for his taste in women, but not for his adultery as reported.
It is laughable that anyone here try to condemn the greatest president of my lifetime due to his playboy lifestyle and his comments when they, the Dems/extreme left wingers all, have the adulterous Billy Clinton (and rapist, as accused) and pedo Joe Biden -- a TRUE pedo with his sniffing and fondling of young girls -- right in public. As well as showering with his young daughter. As well as accusations of rape also. No person with half a brain (the jury in NY did not have a brain at all) would believe that that hag was sexually assaulted by Trump in a store department dressing room. You are all so mock-worthy. OMG, he walked in on beauty contestants that were in varied stages of undress --- so effing what? Actresses, beauty contestants, fashion models, all get undressed in the company of males ALL THE TIME -- we conservatives are not ashamed of our bodies -- only you repressed Dems -- the Pedo Puritans of the 2000s for sure.
There is NO evidence that DJT had sex with minors at Epstein Island -- in fact, all evidence points to the contrary. The Left waltzes out with these spurious allegations now instead of during the Biden years or during Trump's first term. They were too busy being traitors to America by their failed soft coup against DJT. Clapper, Brennan, Comey -- Obama - all should be sent to the gallows if convicted. Revoke their passports NOW. Rant over. I think I will call up the side b*tch and have her come over and calm me down. Eat sh*t you envious bastards.
Not just consistently wrong, but wrong every single time, is our Kaka/Bich.
Rich isn't the only one of this thread who hasn't learned any lessons from being consistently wrong ....
Keep spinning your feel good myths, Lefties! They are certain to be a comfort as the Epstein Saga is disentangled by Todd Blanche in front of a Grand Jury in secret, empaneled in Florida and blessed with the cooperation of the only living witness who can testify. A witness that neither the Obama nor Biden DOJ never interviewed.
Y'all demanded, yes DEMANDED, transparency and you are about to get it. Any bets on whether this grand jury will keep its secrets, unlike every leaky panel assembled to gain up charges against Trump.
"Gin up" not "gain up." Stupid iPhone.
Using Climate Alarmist™ logic, many comments here implicate Fredo as a pedo, so there's consensus. And as such, anybody who disagrees is a pedo denialist.
You jest but ponder how all-important consensus was when it was a handful of climate scientists, not even a majority. But when all but one intelligence official agrees that Russia was hoping for and expecting a Hillary victory the men in charge ignored the expert consensus in order to twist the ambiguous statement that one expert (the one communist in the room) thought perhaps indicated Putin "wanted" Trump to win.
Kakistocracy asserts that there’s a scandal in having Trump’s (former) personal attorney (who is now Number 2 at the DOJ) interview Maxwell because he is not prepared and familiar with the case.
Facts not in evidence. His position at the DOJ gives him access to everything in their files. We have no reason to think that he is not prepared; that he is not competent; that he has not immersed himself in the details of this case in preparation for these lengthy interviews with Maxwell as any conscientious experienced attorney would do.
If every democrat politician did not root through every available Epstein file or video available searching for dirt on Trump they are the stupidest dumbfu*s around. They could have hidden the mentions of their donors and heroes. Now that we know what Brennan and Clapper did I have small faith that they would not have shredded or added files.
But all the democrats have from their years in power are loudmouths screeching pedo Trump— Did you hear me? I said pedotrump. What are you looking at damnit, I SAID PEDOTRUMP!
Jim at said...
"Not just consistently wrong, but wrong every single time, is our Kaka/Bich.
Rich isn't the only one of this thread who hasn't learned any lessons from being consistently wrong ...."
He is morally locked in. Even if the tack he is on is heading him directly into the rocks. The rudder is locked in concrete and is immovable. He must show that he is smarter and morally superior to you and that he is privy to some secret information.
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