July 14, 2025

"Last year, by some estimates, Ukraine’s factories turned out more than three million drones...."

"The drones that I examined were remarkably simple: a lightweight square frame, four propellers, a video camera, a battery-powered motor, and room for a bomb. The attack drones, known as F.P.V.s, for 'first-person view,' are guided by an operator watching a video screen that shows what the drone is seeing; other members of the unit monitor feeds from reconnaissance drones.... The Russians are terrorizing the Ukrainians with drone attacks of their own. Towns and hamlets have been largely pulverized along the front lines and for miles beyond; even American air defenses are mostly useless, because setting them up invites an immediate Russian attack. Iranian-made Shahed drones, capable of carrying large warheads long distances, have pummelled Kyiv and other cities with hundreds of strikes. Under the constant threat of attack, the Ukrainians have found it difficult to supply their front lines, and evacuation is sometimes impossible. The prevalence of drones appears to have given the advantage to the defense. Along the seven-hundred-mile front, soldiers on both sides are huddled in fortified trenches, separated by a no man’s land known as the 'gray zone.' With drones circling day and night, surprise attack is impossible, movement suicidal. If soldiers venture out, they are attacked immediately by drones or artillery...."

Writes Dexter Filkins, in "Is the U.S. Ready for the Next War With global conflicts increasingly shaped by drones and A.I., the American military risks losing its dominance" (The New Yorker).

103 comments:

Mason G said...

"Is the U.S. Ready for the Next War With global conflicts increasingly shaped by drones and A.I., the American military risks losing its dominance"

Maybe spending so much time focusing on transgenders and DEI instead of the military's actual mission was a bad idea, you think?

Old and slow said...

I'd love to hear what Palmer Lucky has to say about the Ukraine war.

bagoh20 said...

Using soft-bodied humans for warfare may quickly become a thing of the past. Isn't that a good thing? Well, at least something that benefits mostly young conservative men for a change.

bagoh20 said...

Warfare is going to wipe out the gaming market, and imagine men and women paying the government for a chance to fight, and do it from home in your underwear.

gilbar said...

Just To Be Clear..
the Ukrainians using drones makes them HEROIC, and BRAVE!
the Russian's using drones makes them terrorists that are "terrorizing"

bagoh20 said...

Of course this will quickly transition to AI fighting AI, and then the whole thing being abandoned for lack of raping and pillaging opportunities.

Lazarus said...

I'm in a bit of a 1960s mood now and wondering why all these endless wars. Yes, real interests and people's lives are at stake, but it seems like the we're at the "bomb the rubble just to watch it bounce" stage.

mindnumbrobot said...

Hegseth already cut the red tape to insure drone technology and its usage on the battlefield advances quickly. People who say he's in over his head have no idea what they're talking about.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has issued sweeping new orders to fast-track drone production and deployment, allowing commanders to procure and test them independently...

As part of an aggressive push to outpace Russia and China in unmanned warfare, "the Department’s bureaucratic gloves are coming off," Hegseth wrote. "Lethality will not be hindered by self-imposed restrictions... Our major risk is risk-avoidance."

In a pair of memos first obtained by Fox News Digital, Hegseth rescinded legacy policies that he believes restricted innovation. For the first time, commanders with the rank of colonel or captain can independently procure and test drones, including 3D-printed prototypes and commercial-off-the-shelf systems...


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hegseth-tears-up-red-tape-orders-pentagon-begin-drone-surge-trumps-command

rehajm said...

AI? Hell, WOPR told us decades ago the only winning move is not to play. I bet modern systems are having none of that…

Original Mike said...

"Along the seven-hundred-mile front, soldiers on both sides are huddled in fortified trenches, separated by a no man’s land known as the 'gray zone.'"

It's WW I.

RCOCEAN II said...

The Russians have been making slow and steady progress for months. The Daily gains are small due to the drones, but they add up. They've also been working on ways to "Kill drones" by using other drones and other weapons. Also, Jamming the drones signal.

The Key takaway seems to be this: The day of Tank is over. And sweeping Blitzkrieg warfare. Even airpower seems to be diminished by the pesky and numerous drones.

The history of warfare is one of technological reaction and counter-reaction.

RCOCEAN II said...

It should be noted that the number of men on both sides are fairly small when compared to WW 2. Both sides seem to have about 600-700 thousand men in Ukraine. That's compared to the 6 million Red Army in WW II and 3 million German army in Russia.

Aggie said...

What is lagging at the present is the development of the countermeasures, at least in the public awareness space. This is where computer-controlled projectile weaponry is going to excel, lightning-fast reactions for aim and trajectory can easily handle the speed that drones are capable of. That, and focused jamming of telemetry. I could see lasers having an application too, if they were defensible as mobile installations. You just have to damage one blade of one propeller, and the drone is all done flying and maneuvering.

J Scott said...

I disagree, the era of fast maneuver warfare isn't over, Ukraine is a bad example. The Russians were this close 🤏
, their spearhead from the North almost took it. Their columns from the east ran out of gas at the Dnieper. Had the Russians invested in logistical support they would have taken Kiev.

mccullough said...

Hit the US with a drone and expect a nuclear missile.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Said it before, I'll say it again: the asymmetric lethality you're going to see in the next 'big one' will shock the pants off you. What's coming in the Pacific Theater-Of-Operations will make Ukraine look like the War Of Jenkin's Ear. And it's the Pacific that's rightfully being focused on, and should've been the priority much much earlier.

Chest Rockwell said...

They're using fiber optic drones now and the results are wild. Fiber optic cables strewn across miles of forest.

RideSpaceMountain said...

@Chest, it was quite the simple solution. If ATGMs can use 5km of fiber for guidance...why not a drone. Not impossible to jam, but very difficult, and they're using lines a lot longer than 5km now.

Pretty soon they'll be anti-drone-drones buzzing around the battlefield with helicopter-style cable cutters. We live in interesting times.

Rocco said...

bagoh20 said...
Of course this will quickly transition to AI fighting AI, and then the whole thing being abandoned for lack of raping and pillaging opportunities.

Or it might turn into this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon

RCOCEAN II said...

The russians are already publishing video of drones hunting and killing other drones. And they also publish some videos of drone attacks on Ukrainian Soldiers that are freaking scary. We're talking about drones hovering outside a building or in a forest, seeing a single solider peer out of a foxhole or a window and then BAM!

Howard said...

RSM is correct. Watching the Chinese drone swarm displays of hundreds of thousands, it make one imagine how an aircraft carrier could defend against it.

RCOCEAN II said...

Grok seems to be programmed to be a Ukrainian shill or maybe it has to rely on western sources - so GIGO. I Tried to get it to admit its 2-1 KIA ratio of Russia to Ukrainian soldiers was unsupported by the evidence but it kept giving rhetorical defenses.

Its ridiculous to think that the Russians with their 3-1 superiority in Artillery, and 10-1 superiority in tanks/Aircraft and their massive missile strikes are losing 2 men for every Ukrainian. IMO, the losses are probably 1-1

Tina Trent said...

For the last seventy-five years, the American Left has used its non-inconsequential power to prop up Russia as a communist idyll, whether Stalin or the plutocrats were in charge.

Putin's power lies at the feet of these idiotic yet powerful CUNY Stalinites, who now live in the Bronx swilling craft beer.

Tina Trent said...

I eagerly await Hardcore Historian contextualizing the technological changes affecting this recent war.

Freder Frederson said...

For the last seventy-five years, the American Left has used its non-inconsequential power to prop up Russia as a communist idyll, whether Stalin or the plutocrats were in charge.

If this statement was printed in 1989, it would still be bullshit. But at least it would have some arguable validity.

To claim this in 2025, just means that you are apparently in a parallel universe where it is still 1980 and you think Reagan is running for president on a platform that includes holding the Soviet Union as the "evil empire".

rhhardin said...

Russian losses ought to be 3:1 if they're on offense.

Paul said...

'Last Year, "some estimates"'.... man what a bullshit statement...

But lets look at LOGITICS. 3 million drones (what kind of drones?? Small recon, big bombs, fast ones, slow ones, big ones, little ones....) And then you know some were destroyed in transit.. others lost in battle.. And the Ukraine has 'only' 1,226.61 miles of border with Russia... So over a year's time they used up lots of drones to spy on the Russian border, bomb 'em, move supplies, etc...

And somehow this is what? Shocking? A Surprise? Waste of Drones? or what???

rhhardin said...

drone swarms : laser defense (death ray).

rhhardin said...

I remember in the early war a Russian tank stopped on the road and a Ukrainian stopping to ask what's wrong ("out of gas") and he offered to tow them back to Russia. The good old days when everybody was optimistic.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Howard, it's way way scarier than that. Palantir has already done demonstrations of USAF and Navy deployed drone-swarms from fighter aircraft in the thousands that are capable of coordinating their movements through traditionally difficult terrain like forests, mountains, and built-up areas. China has also demonstrated this technology, not the specific example you're describing (which is pre-programmed), but generally not as sophisticated.

I'm talking autonomous systems with the sensor-dexterity to make independent decisions about how and where to go, and in coordination with other drones. Reall hunter-killer team stuff, and paired with motion and thermal sensors to make hiding from them very difficult.

Sure you can put up nets all over the place, but if there's nets everywhere you just told everyone you're a juicy target.

Being a 21st century infantryman is going to practically mean being a guaranteed casualty, and since they're using multi-purpose explosive warheads, a practically guaranteed KIA.

Josephbleau said...

"Along the seven-hundred-mile front, soldiers on both sides are huddled in fortified trenches, separated by a no man’s land known as the 'gray zone.'"

Reminds me of Hunger City:

“ Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes
Coveting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers
Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue”

Leland said...

I would think if the Iranian drones were effective to deserve mention, they’d still be effective.

Yancey Ward said...

Think drones the size of wasps carrying lethal does of fentanyl.

RideSpaceMountain said...

rhhardin said, "drone swarms : laser defense (death ray)."

Even the laser systems they're postulating can be easily overwhelmed. The companies that are in this field are focusing entirely on autonomous platforms dealing with each other, en-masse. Think WWI aerial melees that involve very few, maybe even virtually no one, in the loop.

Josephbleau said...

I wonder about Ukraine, they had the big deal of attacking 40 bombers, but why not use the drones to destroy 2 miles of every railroad leading to the border and make all the Russians starve and have no ammo. The Russians would need months to replace bed, drainage, ties, rail, and signals. Be strategic!

n.n said...

Kiev and axis powers will not be able to kill Ukrainians in the civil war until they abort and sequester Russians in mass. Forward?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Freder Frederson said...
'For the last seventy-five years, the American Left has used its non-inconsequential power to prop up Russia as a communist idyll, whether Stalin or the plutocrats were in charge.'

"If this statement was printed in 1989, it would still be bullshit. But at least it would have some arguable validity.

To claim this in 2025, just means that you are apparently in a parallel universe where it is still 1980..."
7/14/25, 1:34 PM

The New York Time ran a special feature celebrating the centennial of the Soviet Union and the Communist Revolution for an entire year, and that year was 2017, not 1980.
Now, in 1976, did the NYT celebrate the 200th anniversary of the USA for the entire year like they did the USSR? It would probably be a good lesson for a blinkered, braindead libtard to check up and see what the USA's preeminent newspaper did during our Bicentennial compared to the year-long propaganda blowjob they gave the Communist Party.

deepelemblues said...

"I wonder about Ukraine, they had the big deal of attacking 40 bombers, but why not use the drones to destroy 2 miles of every railroad leading to the border and make all the Russians starve and have no ammo. The Russians would need months to replace bed, drainage, ties, rail, and signals. Be strategic!"

One thing the Russian military is really good at is railroads. They have special railroad units that are pretty much the elite of the elite of their military, well-trained, well-equipped, well-supplied, very good at building and repairing railroads.

I remain unimpressed with muh drone warfare. Give me a wing of fighter jets any day over slow, not very maneuverable, limited payload drones. They're great at blowing up ill-trained, ill-equipped Russian and Ukrainian mobiks with bad doctrine, and overwhelming limited air defenses. When Biden was handing out anti-air missiles like candy to Kiev, Russian drone bombing runs would routinely get completely snuffed out.

Jimmy said...

We are close to finding out what drones can do, here in the good old USA. Thanks to leftists, 10s of millions unvetted illegals have come in, and I am sure there are many terrorists in that group. It is only a matter of time before they strike, with Chinese or Iranian backing. Our ports, our infrastructure, and our military bases are wide open to drone attacks, to terrorists dress like US Marines, or FBI or simply city cops.
Again, much thanks to the leftists, especially on this blog, for helping to create this situation.
Perhaps when such an event occurs, and it will, we will get serious about kicking out all the illegals, and all the muslims.
But typical for America, we will wait until a few thousand innocents are murdered before we act. Oh wait, since this invasion started, thousands of innocent Americans have been murdered, and I've yet to see Inga or any of the leftist toadies comment on it. Just necessary deaths for your revolution, right asshats??

RideSpaceMountain said...

This is stuff you can purchase now just as a civilian, and these are but a few examples. Amazon has DJI "drop-kits" available for sale from time to time. It doesn't take a genius to make this stuff work, and the training time is surprisingly short for anyone who's spent tons of time playing HALO every evening after high school.

Even the Virginia-Class SSNs are using video game controllers for their photonics-masts because that's what the youngest generation are used to. The coming decades are going to be surreal.

William said...

As I understand it, drone warfare depends on innovating and adapting technology. I think we have an edge in this area.....Still, generals fight the last war and politicians fight some other war. It's possible that a lot of our technology and thinking is obsolete......There are some plus sides to modern warfare: The bombs are more accurate, and they're just as often directed against generals and their command centers as against grunts and civilians. I think the death of generals and higher ups will tend to inhibit the enthusiasm for war in many quarters.

J Scott said...

Josephbleau, it's not the railroads, those are easy to replace, it's the engines. Ukraine needs/needed to be destroying russian rail engines. Those are difficult to replace.

FullMoon said...

"Jimmy said...
We are close to finding out what drones can do, here in the good old USA. Thanks to leftists, 10s of millions unvetted illegals have come in, and I am sure there are many terrorists in that group. It is only a matter of time before they strike, with Chinese or Iranian backing. Our ports, our infrastructure, and our military bases are wide open to drone attacks, to terrorists dress like US Marines, or FBI or simply city cops"

More likely target sports events with 50,000 people in attendance.
And, unless particular country takes credit, we won't know who to punish.
Which country is biggest threat to us? I would guess Iran at the moment, simply for revenge.

Kakistocracy said...

"Putin really surprised a lot of people. He talks nice and then he bombs everybody in the evening.” ~ Donald Trump

Very slow learner.

The war shows no signs of ending but it's not really correct to say that it is existential for both sides. It is existential for Ukraine, and for Putin, but not for Russia. The distinction matters.

The Mouse that Roared said...

The Ukrainian military will collapse within the next year and Ukraine will be forced to surrender to Russia.

This is a prediction, not an endorsement of Russia.

bagoh20 said...

Doesn't 3 million drones sound like enough to win the war? My guess is that one drone can kill an average of one soldier each, and lock them down well before that. I don't believe the report.

Original Mike said...

"And, unless particular country takes credit, we won't know who to punish."

I suggest Joe.

Harun said...

bagoh20,

I suspect we watch too many videos where the drones work, and not enough of the failures.

Grundoon said...

My prediction is pretty dark. We in North America haven't moved borders around much in the 500 years or so that have gone by since Columbus discovered America.
In Europe, land wars are common. I just looked at the history of France and Germany fighting. It was twice in the 1600s for about 50 years total and carrying over into the 1700s, once more in the 1700s, twice in the 1800s, and twice in the 1900s.
The world is dividing into two armed camps, USA/Europe, and BRICS. Germany is rearming. Russia is not looking for peace.
A web search found these leading indicators of war. I think recent news says all four are increasing, not decreasing.
- Diplomatic Strains
- Military Mobilization
- Nationalistic Rhetoric
- Economic and Territorial Disputes

RideSpaceMountain said...

The Mouse that Roared said, "This is a prediction, not an endorsement of Russia."

It's sad that genuine discussion regarding stark military realities on the ground in the Ukraine war invariably leads to accusations of pro-russian slavaboo/russiastronk sockpuppetry. Screw the weapons transfers...everything from Ukraine's command and decision-guidance, intelligence gathering, target selection, all the way to weapons guidance etc is being provided by us. There's proven evidence CIA's Special Activities Center guys are on the ground in Ukraine and probably Russia as well. Ukraine simply does not have the sophistication nor the equipment - even if it was on loan - to pull off some of the operations we've seen throughout the campaign. We are actively involved in Ukraine's kill chain.

We're propping up the S. Vietnamese government all over again. Ukraine cannot and never could fight this on their own, and try as the might they've been unable to bring all of NATO into this cauldron despite working tirelessly to do so.

I hope they remain unsuccessful. They trusted Biden, and Hunter. Big mistake.

RideSpaceMountain said...

*And Nuland. That sow has rivers of blood on her hands.

minnesota farm guy said...

The Commandant of the Marine Corps made drastic changes to the organization of the Corps recently. Tanks are gone , a lot of artillery is gone and the infantry - if I understand correctly - has been slimmed down to make it much more mobile. There has been a lot of screaming from the traditionalists, but as the drone wars are evolving I can see why the Commandant wanted to reduce the number of large , static targets that a traditionally organized Corps would offer.

Leland said...

I watched a couple of vets talking about drone warfare. Of the various good points they made; one was likening them to IEDs. The difference is IEDs as a weapon that causes terror comes from not knowing what road side lump of dirt or debris might go bang. A drone you hear, coming for you, sort of like the whistles of incoming artillery. That sound can cause horror if you can't defend yourself, but it also gives away the threat if you can.

Wa St Blogger said...

(what kind of drones?? Small recon, big bombs, fast ones, slow ones, big ones, little ones....)

...Even ones with chicken pox...

J Scott said...

Instead the former Commandant and the current one are going to make the marines into a bunch of smaller static targets.

buwaya said...

Most countries are little countries, and cannot fight such wars on their own. Anyone thats a near-neighbor to an overwhelmingly larger power, and thats most. And I hear bullshit like from Ridespacemountain. Well, FU, Ukraine is most of us you depraved monster, and thats in spite of your denial of russophilia.

Big Mike said...

American generals are always well-prepared to win the last war. They're never prepared to fight the coming war.

buwaya said...

Tech, even low tech, goes back and forth. The latest version of a Russian assault tank is described here, with a note that it took 60 drones to destroy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzKQsnU4cbA

bagoh20 said...

"... 60 drones to destroy it."
That's probably a bargain. Drones are cheap and getting cheaper fast. Drones will get smaller and number in the millions, essentially becoming self-directed bullets and missiles that rarely miss and can find their way through small openings. They are in their infancy, and that's pretty scary. Another reason being a boomer is a blessing. We will avoid seeing the coming horrors of technology that is just too powerful for humans to live with.

lonejustice said...

RideTheSpaceMonkey said...
"There's proven evidence CIA's Special Activities Center guys are on the ground in Ukraine and probably Russia as well. Ukraine simply does not have the sophistication nor the equipment - even if it was on loan - to pull off some of the operations we've seen throughout the campaign. We are actively involved in Ukraine's kill chain."

Once again, Ride The Space Monkey offers no proof of this at all. Remember that the Ride The Space Monkey and other Trump supporters believe that Ukraine started the war by invading Russia. Let that sink in for a moment.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Anti-"oriental" racist chode stonedjustice putting words in people's mouths again. After having your lying butt handed to you so many times it's amazing you still come back for more.

lonejustice said...

I'm dedicating this music video to Ride The Space Monkey and all of his conspiracy theories, which he offers without any evidence whatsoever other than his delusional fantasies. It's a really good song! Enjoy, Space Monkey!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iz4_JIP698

RideSpaceMountain said...

@Buwaya, we cannot fight the world's wars for it anymore, most especially not wars occurring upon 3 different geopolitical axes. Obama, Biden, Nuland, Britain, and NATO made promises they couldn't keep, so my advice for smaller countries hoping America will be there is the same advice that's been given for millenia: Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

Count on yourself, and act as if help is a bonus.

AMDG said...

gilbar said...
Just To Be Clear..
the Ukrainians using drones makes them HEROIC, and BRAVE!
the Russian's using drones makes them terrorists that are "terrorizing"

7/14/25, 12:02 PM

—————————————

Just to be clear, the difference between the Russian’s drone usage and that of the Ukrainians is that Russia targets civilians while the Ukrainians targets are military.

Are you willfully blind or just stupid?

Kakistocracy said...

Trump Raises Pressure on Russia With Tariff Threat, Ukraine Weapons Deal ~ WSJ
'President says that Kyiv will have new weapons and air defenses within days under the agreement'

These aren’t -- as the headline suggests -- tariffs on Russia, they are “100% tariffs on countries who trade with Russia”. That means mainly China, India and Brazil.

In the first quarter of 2025, India ran a trade surplus of $13.5 billion. Brazil is projected to run a trade surplus of $50 billion. China ran a $586 billion trade surplus in the first half of 2025.

In order for trade to work it has to balance. Global trade works, because the US runs a $1 trillion net deficit with the rest of the world.

The size of the economies is only one part of the equation. What is the balance of trade?

How do those three countries restructure their economies so they are less reliant on US trade deficits?

It could happen, but it won't happen overnight. The transition itself would require a restructuring of not only the domestic economies, but the politics tied to those domestic economies. Not easy.

However, it is interesting that Trump is aligning himself with a neo-con like Graham. With someone like Graham you can't understand his position on global politics without accounting for Israel and the Netanyahu government. All the pressure on the current Brazilian government and the effort to release a hard-core Zionist like Bolsonaro from his various legal troubles is undoubtedly part of the equation. Will it work?

RideSpaceMountain said...

People having opinions about Ukraine makes stonedjustiths mad. Ryan Routh fanboy can stay mad.

gilbar said...

just to be clear..
AMDG says that the russians are EVIL!!!
and the Ukrainians are inherently GOOD!!!
and asks the world: "Are you willfully blind or just stupid?"

gilbar said...

AMDG?
could you explain to me, WHY the Ukrainians don't use tanks anymore?
I assume the russians thought the tanks were school buses?

buwaya said...

NATO can keep its implied promises. Trump was perfectly correct in forcing the Euros to meet their commitments. Bravo Trump, up to a point. What Russia is doing is the very reason the international system, broadly speaking, exists. The proper thing is to encourage international support, collective defense, not to berate Ukraine. THAT is the usual form of US right wing evil, a small minded reflexive hatred of people you dont know, other than theoretically. It really is one world now, much as you may hate it.

US spending re Ukraine is small change in the context of US budgets. You should be fighting a US civil war against domestic spending and inefficiency, not against US defense spending. Musk was mostly on the right track.

Quaestor said...

Danooyahka's anxiety over drones is comical. It's like panicky little girl being traumatized by a Jurassic Park movie. That's what happens when you fill your editorial staffing requirements with panicky graduates from Sarah Lawrence and Bryn Mawr.

Drones were highly effective (operative word: were) in the early months of the current unpleasantness because Russia's armed forces were using commercially available GPS devices to navigate armored columns, infantry companies, landing craft, even front-line MiG and Sukhoi fights. The obvious countermeasure to drone attacks, jamming the command frequencies, was problematic because such a move would blind and confuse Russian forces as well as the enemy drone operators.

Drones are nothing new, just the popular word for that technology. Remotely operated, command guided weapons have existed since World War II. The Germans used them, so did the Americans. Both sides found them wanting because both sides experimented with the concept and discovered their vulnerability to electronic countermeasures. Most of these drone weapons were tactical failures. The only notable success story, kept secret for decades after the war was the Interstate TDR-1. Its success was largely due to Japan's decision to use suicide tactics rather than advanced technology as a force multiplier, consequently they were uniquely vulnerable to remotely operated weapons.

buwaya said...

The Ukrainian cause is just, according to Christian rationalist tradition, St. Thomas' "Summa". That is base, core western civ. You cannot claim attachment to your own culture, that you claim to be so proud of, without going there.

lonejustice said...

Ride the Space Monkey is angry because he, and many of his Trump supporters, believe that Ukraine started the war by invading Russia, and they want Ukraine to lose. If someone wants to "ride the space monkey", well, who am I to judge? Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course.

Mark said...

"Drones will get smaller and number in the millions"

I am sure the contractors are already lining up. The military has a long history of spending far, far too much for equipment. Millions of drones we can overbuild for a few thousand each sounds quite lucrative. Best of all, due to technological change we can sell a complete replacemrnt for those out of date drones every couple of year.

The swamp rejoices with that kind of military contractor spending now on the table.

What deficit? There's shiny new drones to buy!

Iman said...

“What deficit?”

Mark your calendars… a leftwinger has expressed concern about the deficit.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

buwaya said...
"What Russia is doing is the very reason the international system, broadly speaking, exists." It's a local border skirmish between historically antagonistic neighbors and it only shows how ineffective and corrupt the international system is. Trump just ended a 30 year between African countries- where was the international community on that one? The effectiveness of USA President Donald Trump in striking agreements, ceasefires, and peace deals in such a short time across both his administrations serves as a stark rebuke to the 'international system' that has been in place sucking up Trillions of dollars and accomplishing jackshit. Hell, the UN peacekeeping units are full of active terrorists, kidnappers, and war criminals. International system my fucking ass.

"The proper thing is to encourage international support, collective defense, not to berate Ukraine." We've been doing a hell of a lot more than encouraging international support, sending Billions of USA taxpayer dollars as well as weapons and equipment.
"THAT is the usual form of US right wing evil, a small minded reflexive hatred of people you dont know, other than theoretically." This is a dirty, ignorant lie. Small-minded reflexive hatred is the purview of leftists and Democrat Party members and they use it exclusively on their fellow Americans. Conservative Americans are patriotic, not to be confused with hatred of other nations. Conservative Americans are the most open, honest, welcoming, fair, and generous people in the nation. They judge individuals on character, competence, and contribution, not on the made-up metrics, expectations, and demands of a malignant and unaccountable "elite"
As far as Ukraine, they had a chance to come clean when Trump put his cards on the table with Zelensky in 2017. Zelensky and Ukraine chose to side with the DNC and Biden Crime Family. For that reason alone, Americans are right to be suspicious of any money transfers between the corrupt USA government and their co-conspirators of the Ukraine. Despite that, America and Americans have been overwhelmingly supportive and generous of that crooked regime, and we have nothing to show for it. Hey what's a few Billion more USA taxpayer dollars if we can bleed out a few more Russians and deplete their stockpile of 155's, amirite? It's only somebody else's money.
You must have been gone away for a year at an Ivy League university.

7/14/25, 6:24 PM

Mason G said...

"Mark your calendars… a leftwinger has expressed concern about the deficit."

Waste of time. Once the left is in charge again, they'll forget they ever said anything like that.

Iman said...

“But let’s look at LOGITICS. 3 million drones (what kind of drones?? Small recon, big bombs, fast ones, slow ones, big ones, little ones....)”

There was long ones, tall ones, short ones, brown ones
Black ones, round ones, big ones, crazy ones…

buwaya said...

Fitzgerald, you are just the sort of scum I have learned, since 2022, exist on the US right. I have worked for 40 years on US defense and infrastructure systems and in all that time I have been impressed by the quality of my American colleagues, conservatives nearly to a man. But this Ukraine business seems to have dredged up the nasty sludge that exists at the bottom of any category. I have been retired abroad for five years now, but I have returned to the US annually, and kept in touch with US social media. Your type has, it seems, risen from the cesspools where I suppose you have always been. Return there; you serve no good purpose.

buwaya said...

I used to be a fairly patient man; age and the state of my health has changed that.

Lazarus said...

The New York Times tells us that the CIA is on the ground in Ukraine, and that they are "covertly supporting" Ukraine's drone strikes. I suppose that means with intelligence. I wouldn't say that drone strikes are beyond Ukraine's capabilities, but we are definitely involved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/

Michael Fitzgerald said...

"Fitzgerald, you are just the sort of scum..."
Very persuasive counter-argument. You get that from Thomas Aquinas too?

Readering said...

I have read that nearly 90% of the Abrams tanks supplied to Ukraine have been knocked out by Russia. Combination of $400 drones and conventional anti-tank weapons.

Josephbleau said...

“Ukraine needs/needed to be destroying russian rail engines. Those are difficult to replace.“

I agree that the locomotives would be a better target for drones, long lead time.

buwaya said...

Re Abrams in Ukraine - Two years of heavy action on a pool of just 30 tanks - attrition will take its toll, especially on equipment that was heavily used precisely because they were especially survivable. The US has thousands of Abrams tanks its not using and is not likely to ever need. They should have given Ukraine hundreds of tanks, not just 30.

buwaya said...

Fitzgerald - been there, done that, ad infinitum. There is nothing left to argue. Your premises are fundamentally wrong, start there.

Yancey Ward said...

If ground troops and active air support from NATO were never on the table, then we in the West have led the Ukrainians into the abyss. They are fighting a war they are guaranteed to lose without such support. So, I have asked this question before in these threads- do you support NATO entering this war with troops and aircraft? I have never received an actual answer from anyone on the pro side. I ask again.

buwaya said...

Yancey Ward - The true abyss is what you imply is the alternate option for Ukraine, which is surrender to Russia and slavery. They were fighting, with success, months before there was significant military aid from anyone. As for open, major intervention by NATO, yes I am for it. Just aerial intervention would end that thing in weeks.

n.n said...

So, which side of the Ukrainian civil war, the Slavic Spring, are people supporting? The certified, democratically elected and supported government by Ukrainians in the East and South, or the coup regime and subsequent dictatorship in Kiev that is struggling for power and killing, imprisoning Ukrainians in diverse inclusion?

buwaya said...

n.n., I do not recall you being insane. This is an unpleasant surprise.

buwaya said...

n.n., I do not recall you being insane. This is an unpleasant surprise.

Yancey Ward said...

Or, Buwaya, it leads to a nuclear exchange. That, by the way, is the reason no NATO country has offerred such support to date and will continue to not offer.

Yancey Ward said...

As I wrote 3.5 years ago and haven't yet been proven wrong- NATO is willing to fight until the last Ukrainian man is dead.

buwaya said...

Re nukes, bullshit. Accept that and you licence Russia to demand everything and everyone whenever the whim strikes them. It the ancient "better red than dead" of the Cold War. Reagan rejected it. Recent Euro and US leaders have not been Reagan or Thatcher.

Yancey Ward said...

Your argument isn't with me, Buwaya, it is with the NATO leaders.

mikee said...

I recall in 1993 when the Naval Research Lab in DC was tasked with providing about 100,000 IFF devices (transponders to identify friend or foe) for US troops in the Mideast - immediately preferred. They delivered the IFF transponders to troops in the field within a couple of weeks, before the invasion of Kuwait. Never underestimate the US nerds, they have know-how and imagination beyond the realm of the ordinary.

Jim at said...

To claim this in 2025, just means that you are apparently in a parallel universe where it is still 1980 and you think Reagan is running for president on a platform that includes holding the Soviet Union as the "evil empire".

Nice to see Freder dust off his Sane/Freeze sign and wave it proudly.

Dr Weevil said...

Lazarus (8:36pm):
If the CIA is "on the ground" in Ukraine - the fact that the New York Times says so is very flimsy evidence - they are learning far more from the Ukrainians about modern drone warfare than they could possibly teach them.

n.n. (9:47pm):
Locals in occupied Ukraine took cellphone videos of the elections for the "certified, democratically elected and supported government by Ukrainians in the East and South". The ballot boxes were transparent, the ballots printed in what looked like at least 48-point type, men with guns watched you slide your unfolded ballot into the box face up, and other men with guns went door to door 'suggesting' that those who hadn't come to the polling place fill out their ballots right there in front of them. It was a Soviet-style election, and anyone who "certified" it was a liar or a fool. Who did certify it, by the way? I've never heard it called that before.

As for the "coup regime", Zelenskyy had nothing to do with the uprising (not a coup) of 2014, and was freely elected by a very large margin in 2019. Parliament has postponed elections, but all three of the people most likely to run against him (Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Zaluzhnyi) agree that it is impossible to have elections in current conditions, though they all hate each other and two of them hate Zelenskyy. That's because it is impossible, since a regime that bombs hospitals, schools, playgrounds, train stations, restaurants, and apartment blocks every day and night would be glad to bomb crowded polling places, too.

buwaya said...

Current equipment problem for Ukraine is the cancellation of the APKWS II counter-drone rockets, of which Ukraine was to receive 10,000 or maybe 20,000 units. These are supposed to be ideal to use vs Shahid type drones, which are turning into the major Russian offensive weapon - cruise and ballistic missiles seem to be used only in small numbers. APKWS is a guidance add-on to cheap 70mm Hydra rockets. Hegseth cancelled the shipment of these in favor of supplying them to Israel.

buwaya said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System

buwaya said...

All the different threats to Ukraine are best addressed witha specific weapon type. PATRIOT is best used against ballistic missiles and high speed missiles, sometimes called "hypersonic". Given the global shortage of Patriot (its not that they are running out, its that everyone now wants them ASAP) this is only prudent. Ordinary cruise missiles can be dealt with by the Diehl IRIS-T of which Ukraine is beginning to receive a large number - most of the serious damage to Ukraine has been inflicted by these btw. Diehl is an interesting company, look them up. The Shahid drones are best addressed with point defense gun and low cost missile systems (APKWS and similar).

buwaya said...

Comparing "strategic" attack statistics Russia is not increasing its rate of firing the damaging missiles, say of the Kh-101 cruise missiles with heavy warheads. It seems Russia has run down its stocks of these or has lost launch platforms to Ukranian attack and operational attrition (wear and tear causing service backlogs). The slack has been taken up with Shahid drones and even more so with even cheaper Shahid type decoys.

Narr said...

Lend-Lease supplied some 1200 heavy locomotives to the USSR (as well as about 400 for the French RR network), without which the great Soviet offensives of 1944-45 would have been impossible.

The Reds also received vast quantities of weaponry and high tech from abroad, which likewise multiplied their force.

Today, the Russian rail system is collapsing, and those Israeli strikes in Iran apparently crippled a lot of drone production, and it's the Ukes who are getting the most outside support.

What's happening in the minds and hearts of tens and hundreds of millions of people is impossible to know, but warring populations live on hope, and it looks to me that only one side has reason for much in the way of hope right now.

Indigo Red said...

Two days ago, Ukraine conducted the world's first all drone military attack on Russian positions. Russian defenders were surrendering to the air drones. After the air drones, ground drones moved in to clear the trenches and more Russians surrendered. Only then did Ukrainian soldiers put boots on the ground. Hundreds of Russian prisoners, kilometers of territory retaken, and no Ukrainian blood was spilled.

These are the drones we are looking for.

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