July 21, 2025

"In the end I decided that the only way I could defeat the manosphere was to double down on men’s retreats. "

"And so I became a guru. Well, technically, not quite a guru. More a gur-ette. I started leading 'journalling' sessions at Both Sides weekends. It’s a process that I picked up from novel writing and involves uninterrupted scribbling, stream of consciousness-style, every morning for 20 minutes in an attempt to liberate hidden ideas from the quirkier corners of the brain.... I kick off the session with The Song of Wandering Aengus because the forest location seems appropriate and because the image of Yeats heading off to wrestle with a 'fire' in his head seems very men’s retreat. That’s why many of them come.... How can you influence the wider world from a woody enclave in Cornwall?"

Writes Kevin Maher, in "Yoga pants, man bun, crying. I’ve become a men’s guru/He once mocked male bonding weekends as hippy nonsense. Now Kevin Maher leads them" (London Times).

I can't speak about male bonding weekends, but I just wanted to express my great admiration for that particular poem, which made a great impression on me when I was young, half a century ago:
The Song of Wandering Aengus

I went out to the hazel wood,
Because a fire was in my head,
And cut and peeled a hazel wand,
And hooked a berry to a thread;
And when white moths were on the wing,
And moth-like stars were flickering out,
I dropped the berry in a stream
And caught a little silver trout.

When I had laid it on the floor
I went to blow the fire a-flame,
But something rustled on the floor,
And someone called me by my name:
It had become a glimmering girl
With apple blossom in her hair
Who called me by my name and ran
And faded through the brightening air.

Though I am old with wandering
Through hollow lands and hilly lands,
I will find out where she has gone,
And kiss her lips and take her hands;
And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done,
The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun.

69 comments:

Dude1394 said...

I am interested in this 20 minute free form scribbling.

n.n said...
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Leland said...

The poem doesn't seem much like male bonding to me. It seems to be what ends up separating men, which is the sudden appearance of a female that attracts them.

Not sure what Yoga pants has to do with male bonding either. Want to talk flames and promote male bonding; have a BBQ.

n.n said...

Men bond over flames of past, present, and future fires ignited by the fairer sex who warm our cold play soles. Isn't that right, Mr and Mrs conspirators in love?

Paul Zrimsek said...

He once mocked male bonding weekends as hippy nonsense. Then he realized there was money in them.

tim maguire said...

Where does this hippie purveyor of nonsense get off criticizing hippie nonsense?

Achilles said...

Males bond over shared responsibility and groups formed to achieve common goals.

Until the man bun crowd figures out what duties males and females have to society and acknowledges the different roles they will never succeed in this endeavor.

Magilla Gorilla said...

He's a poser trying to cash in on a trend. The two pictures of him are supposed to show how different he is now from what he was then, but it's just the costumes that have changed. And Tim is right: it's hippie, not hippy.

Temujin said...

Great poem.

I just cannot imagine going to a zen-like camp with other men to learn how to be better men. Men just go camping. Or to an NFL or NHL game. Or...a fishing weekend. A climbing weekend. But they don't call their buddies and suggest they go sit and consider things under the guidance of a guy wearing a man-bun and yoga pants. There would have to be some other hook. Women. Whiskey. Song. You know. The things that have attracted men for centuries.

Magilla Gorilla said...

Good poem, though. I like the Judy Collins song, if that doesn't make me seem too hippie adjacent.

Sebastian said...

Leland said: "It seems to be what ends up separating men, which is the sudden appearance of a female that attracts them" Correct. The poetic fairytale leaves out the male competition for the most desirable females. As Yeats knew, from Gonne.

Nancy said...

What a haunting poem!

Skeptical Voter said...

For bonding, add some beer to that barbecue and you might have the start of something. I don't think guys with man buns and yoga pants are likely to be invited to the barbecue, but maybe that's just me.

Original Mike said...

Wow, a poem I actually know (it was in a Star Trek episode).

I find the idea of "how to be a man" bizarre.

hombre said...

Nice poem. I can only speculate on what a “manosphere” might be in the UK, a country where the “men” allow their daughters to be forced into sex slavery for Muslim men.

Two-eyed Jack said...

He wanted to marry a trout?

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

“ and, after that one long Cornish weekend in the company, and sometimes the supportive arms, of a dozen male strangers, I was hooked.”

And there it is.

mccullough said...

What happened to the trout?

Jupiter said...

"I will find out where she has gone,
And kiss her lips and take her hands;"

Dude, let her go. She's just not that into you.

Tarrou said...

A "men's retreat" is an oxymoron.

In a phrase, what brings men together is the lack of the rest of society. That's all we really need, less of this "civilization" bullshit once in a while. Let us remember we were once men, as dogs were once wolves.

Josephbleau said...

“And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done,“

The poet misspelled a word in the second line.

FullMoon said...

Suspicion confirmed
"Like many of his contemporaries Yeats was fascinated by the occult and spiritualism and he experimented with drugs. It is believed Yeats was ..."

https://medium.com/@dubhempmuseum/william-butler-yeats-and-cannabis-fa8335789c37

Marcus Bressler said...

So that's where Ray Bradbury got the title of his book, "The Golden Apples of the Sun"

Mary Beth said...

Why does the manosphere need defeating? Why don't they do to it what they've been doing to women-only spaces?

FullMoon said...

"Josephbleau said...
“And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done,“

The poet misspelled a word in the second line."

Until?

Quaestor said...

Apples and babes, those two are often paired (though golden apples are seldom pared) -- Eris and Eve, Atalanta. The lesson: bewear!

Darcy said...

I thank the good Lord that the manosphere has not been defeated.

Candide said...

Fresh caught trout is good eating.

walter said...

The "manosphere" shudders. Cue up some Little Rascals He Man Womun Hating Club clips.

Aggie said...

Why does he feel a need to 'defeat the manosphere?' It'll take more than a psuedo male with highly feminine energy to do that.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Calling rhhardin... Calling rhhardin... Please pickup the white courtesy phone.

Eva Marie said...

What is that between their legs? The motorcycle photo, understandable. The other photo, not so sure - but very symbolic/not. Too clever.

Biff said...

I have fond memories of the dads hanging out by the campfire on my childhood Boy Scout camping trips. After we boys were dismissed and sent off to our tents, the men would loiter by the fire for a little while. Role models.

Of course, that could not be permitted in the modern era. The Boy Scouts have been feminized and rebranded as the fully coed "Scouting America".

Eva Marie said...

Photo editor had his/her own ideas what constitutes manliness. But a little subtlety please.

n.n said...

I was never on Mars, steered clear of Venus, and had no fetish for Uranus. On Earth I found the coupled sphere with our Posterity in tow.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

The 'manosphere' is an overdue reaction to the first border crisis.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

One couldn't "defeat" the manosphere, anymore than a man could become a woman.

tcrosse said...

Back in the late 70s, for my most grievous sins, I would go to Robert Bly readings with my mens' group. We would beat tomtoms and share our feelings. At the time I was married to a womens' studies major, which helps explain why I was miserable in my role. When I was young and foolish I was young and foolish.

boatbuilder said...

No beer? No golf? What the hell is the point?

Leland said...

fully coed "Scouting America"
Men can't have male only spaces. See here

walter said...

Biff said...
I have fond memories of the dads hanging out by the campfire on my childhood Boy Scout camping trips. After we boys were dismissed and sent off to our tents, the men would loiter by the fire for a little while.
--
...reciting poetry.

Narr said...

It takes real courage to 'fess up to that, tcrosse. I salute you.

Isn't a retreat something that happens after a defeat, usually?

My guy friends and I used to gather for poker and/or wargames (along with drinking and smoking various substances). No poetry, but a fair amount of obscene doggerel.

Ted said...

"I am interested in this 20 minute free form scribbling."

As this guy says in the article, it's basically Morning Pages from the book "The Artist's Way" -- a practice every would-be creative person has tried for a week before getting bored.

Josephbleau said...

“ I was never on Mars, steered clear of Venus”

Mars can trans into Venus, just get a cloud job and fluff up its mons.

Peachy said...

Youth is wasted on the young

rhhardin said...

You can get men to attend a consciousness raising meeting if there are babes there.

rhhardin said...

The mammosphere is running the manosphere.

Hassayamper said...

I have fond memories of the dads hanging out by the campfire on my childhood Boy Scout camping trips. After we boys were dismissed and sent off to our tents, the men would loiter by the fire for a little while. Role models.

My friends and I did a lot of this on camping trips with our kids. Once they caught us with cigars and a handle of bourbon. We told them it was necessary to keep the mosquitos away. As far as I know the explanation was accepted and none of them told their mothers.

Peachy said...

man buns - ugh. I detest man-buns.

stlcdr said...

Male bonding ideas from someone who doesn't realize that male bonding goes on day-in day-out.

robother said...

I can't help but think what might have been for this journalist, if instead of men's retreats, he'd been sent to do an expose of Theranos. Probably would have ended up as their Public Relations guy.

walter said...

AKA strip clubs.

RoseAnne said...

The free form writing exercise is one of the best things I have ever done. In my case they commended three pages. Some days you can write 6 pages but must stop at 3. Other times it is a chore to fill one. I still go back to it in times of stress.

RCOCEAN II said...

great poem by Yeats.

Jamie said...

I'm heartened to hear so many of my apparently male fellows here confirming my thoughts when I read this post: "male bonding retreat" sounds like exactly what a Progressive would do to try to figure out what's wrong with him (after all, he's constantly being told that something's wrong with him).

My husband has lots of (male) friends (a number of female friends too, but that's not relevant here); several are closer to him than his brother*. They bond in lots of ways. A retreat involving free-form scribbling and stretchy but form-fitting pants has never been one of them. I love it when I get a chance to observe them for a minute like the proverbial fly on the wall - passing through the room they're in, for instance. I don't linger because I'm intruding just by being there when they're having guy time, but it makes me smile to see how much they value one another (and the... interesting ways on which they show it).

* who is no longer speaking to us, since the election.

RCOCEAN II said...

So why did he want to "defeat the manosphere"?

RCOCEAN II said...

Oh, here we go:

"2025 hit like a hammer blow. Trump’s second term began. Elon Musk seemingly did a Nazi-like salute. And the renowned misogynist Andrew Tate launched his own political party, Bruv (Britain Restoring Underlying Values). Toxic masculinity was back with a bang. Adolescence dropped on Netflix. The series lifted the lid on the evils of the “manosphere” (a creepy online community of women-loathing influencers, bigots, incels and nut jobs)"

n.n said...

what brings men together is the lack of the rest of society. That's all we really need, less of this "civilization" bullshit once in a while

A brisk hike, an off-trail bike, a climb to the mountain's crest, even the ritual weekly mow, and I'm good to go for another dive into civilization.

Two-eyed Jack said...

It occurs to me that W. B. Yeates probably never spent 20 minutes of his time each day writing random scribblings. That exercise strikes me as the sort of task you would set for a group of people of no discernable talent or training who are told they need to express themselves and are willing to pay for the privilege.

JAORE said...

I thought her ridiculous when a (then) nominee for SCOTUS could not define what is a woman. Turns out a large number of the left are apparently unable to define, "What is a man?".

policraticus said...

The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun.


Just so. It is a poem that has lived in my head for 40 years, since I am about 10 years your junior. I was compelled to read Portrait of the Artist in high school and the experience soured me on Yeats. Then, at some point, I was given his poetry in a slim volume. I cherish that book in part because of the giver, and in part because it showed me that authors who have been long dead, can still improve with age, your age, not theirs.

Rusty said...

If you need a guru to learn to bond with other guys......maybe you're not a guy.
Just sayin'

boatbuilder said...

So that's what those manly men who were man enough to vote for Kamala Harris are up to now.

tommyesq said...

Why does one decide they need to "defeat the manosphere" in the first instance? Leave people the f**k alone.

chuck said...

No math? How is that interesting?

JK Brown said...

I kick off the session with The Song of Wandering Aengus because the forest location seems appropriate and because the image of Yeats heading off to wrestle with a 'fire' in his head seems very men’s retreat.

A men's retreat, where men sit around and cry and such? And that is the them? The "wandering aengus. No thank you. Sounds like it could be a real gay weekend.

Narr said...

Uhh, policraticus, Joyce wrote "Portrait," not Yeats.

gspencer said...

I try to have my own man's retreat each morning. Josie, Kelly, Ramira, Dixie, Romana, Clara and their friends usually drop in for visits.

Stephen said...

The Yeats poem that seems to capture the current mood ends with a "rough beast" that "slouches towards Bethlehem", not a "glimmering girl," but to each his own.

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