April 21, 2025

The NYT notices that Kamala Harris was protected from needing to state an opinion on the trans-athlete issue.

The observation is hidden away near the end of "How the War Over Trans Athletes Tore a Volleyball Team Apart.Blaire Fleming was a little-known college player. Then she suddenly became a symbol of injustice — to both sides of the controversy."

It's written like this, as if it was just a fluke that Harris never had to face this difficult, divisive question:
Following Biden’s exit from the presidential race last July, Kamala Harris seemed willing to address the trans-athlete issue. According to three people familiar with Harris’s campaign strategy, the campaign expected that the moderators would ask Harris about transgender children in sports during her September debate with Trump. The answer Harris’s advisers prepared for her, according to a person familiar with her campaign strategy, emphasized that trans children should be made to feel welcome in their schools but also acknowledged the concerns of parents whose kids, especially older ones, play competitive sports and want to make sure the competition is fair. But no one ever asked her, and the candidate didn’t bring it up on her own.

Oh? She "seemed willing"? I think if "no one ever asked her," it was because she never answered questions from the kind of people who would ask, and though she barely answered any substantive questions at any point, she only exposed herself to questions from interviewers who wanted to help her. So I don't think she "seemed willing" to address the issue! That she had an answer worked out, in case the question ever slipped through, proves virtually nothing, but I can imagine her circling around the abstract platitudes of making everyone feel welcome and simultaneously ensuring the competition is fair. The prepared answer is as puzzling as no answer at all.

On the topic of what actually is fair, I found this interesting material in the middle of the article:

Well over a decade ago... [t]he few scientists who did study the topic generally believed that transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy were, physiologically, more athletically similar to women than to men.

Did they believe that or did they say they believed that? But people tend to believe what they want to believe, and scientists are not immune to wishful thinking. What were these studies?

As more data on trans athletes was collected...

Were the studies just the collection of data? What data? 

... the scientific thinking seemed to indicate...

Seemed

... that this was true mainly of transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy either before puberty or very early in its onset; those who transitioned later and went through male puberty appeared to be, physiologically, more athletically similar to men. 
But in recent years, a growing body of evidence has indicated that differences in athletic performance exist between males and females even before puberty. Scientists have also found evidence, in animal models and cultured human cells, for what’s known as the “muscle memory theory.” 
This theory, as Michael Joyner, a doctor who studies sex differences in human physiology, wrote in a recent article for The Journal of Applied Physiology, posits that “the beneficial effects of high testosterone on skeletal muscle and the response to training are retained even when androgens are absent.” In other words, the physical advantages of having high levels of testosterone are believed to remain long after the testosterone is gone from the body.

All of this has contributed to the concept of “retained male advantage” — the idea that, even after hormone-suppression treatments, and even if those treatments start before puberty, trans athletes are likely to retain physical advantages over those who were born female.....

54 comments:

D.D. Driver said...

She couldn't express an opinion until someone on the debate stage asked the exact right question...because debate questions aren't just launch pads for the candidates to talk about whatever they want to talk about anyhow.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

"Then she suddenly became a symbol of injustice"

HE is a symbol of injustice.

"She" is a symbol that the NYT is a lying garbage organization

Greg The Class Traitor said...

D.D. Driver said...
She couldn't express an opinion

Gosh, because we all know that candidates NEVER issue position papers or opinions on things until a debate moderator asks them.

DD, that was stupid even for you

Lawnerd said...

Kamala’s prepared answer was not an answer, it simply acknowledged both sides of the controversy.

mccullough said...

There are no trans men in professional sports

ron winkleheimer said...

" In other words, the physical advantages of having high levels of testosterone are believed to remain long after the testosterone is gone from the body."

They needed a study for that huh?

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species, just like all the other species in the the Hominidae family.

The Drill SGT said...

Kammy's answer wasn't an answer, it was an avoidance defense

Wince said...

It's not like a pair of testicles drop out of a coconut tree?

Not Illinois Resident said...

Collective dishonesty of our media is disheartening. Kamala Harris was most disappointingly disheartening presidential candidate I've ever experienced. We face a disheartening future.

hombre said...

Just another chapter in the saga of Democrat/Feminist hypocrisy, along with tolerance for Muslim treatment of women and the durability of Bill Clinton as icon.

Breezy said...

If she has to wait to be asked about a topic as hot as this one was and is, she has zero leadership skills in her DNA.

Aggie said...

"...[t]he few scientists who did study the topic generally believed that transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy were, physiologically, more athletically similar to women than to men."

What a dishonest argument. Trust the science ! You know what science does? It measures. Upper body strength can be measured. Fast twitch response can be measured. BMI can be measured. Height and weight can be measured. How does the data stack up ? How many female-to-male transgenders are competing in male events? '0' is a number isn't it?

It is the most deeply unfair perversion in modern society, and we're all expected to 'not notice' its impact on young female athletes.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Around these parts Black males are very hostile toward trannies. Not a crowd pleasing issue.

JIM said...

More evidence Kamala Harris and DEMOCRATS in general, are subjected to a minimum of scrutiny from the "media". On the hand, no stone was left unturned regarding Trump. How does this keep happening? Why does it keep happening?

PM said...

Kamala has disappeared more successfully then Verbal Kint.

n.n said...

Special Peculiar Liberal Corporate interests in protection rackets.

n.n said...

The difference between the sexes is not limited to chemical. The significant differences are physiological, but also psychological. There is a compelling interest to normalize a functional and favorable juxtaposition of the two sexes.

n.n said...

Karmalalot.

Skeptical Voter said...

She was "protected" from having to answer a tough question on a divisive issue? Why it's almost like the media are in the tank for Dimocrat candidates. No reason to bother those folks with tough questions. OTOH if it's a Rethuglican candidate, those Democrat puppy reporters become great white sharks of journalism.

D.D. Driver said...

Me at people's inability to detect obvious sarcasm. 😂

cfs said...

Related: Tomorrow SCOTUS will hear oral arguments in Mahmoud v. Taylor. The case concerns religious exercise rights and elementary school education on gender and sexuality and whether parents can opt-out their children from trans curriculum.

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/mahmoud-v-taylor/

Jupiter said...

I think it speaks well of Kamala Harris that she finally encountered a lie she could resist telling. Baby steps.

D.D. Driver said...

I want someone to explain why competition should be divided by gender instead of sex. Why?

These are both valid ways of dividing competition. Athletic competition always apply objective criteria: weight, age, sex. We don't ask how heavy a wrestler feels like they weigh or a soccer player whether they feel "young at heart" and let them compete in the under-18.

So why? Why abandon objective criteria in favor of subjective criteria? I *think* the answer is because it hurts trans athlete's feelings to compete with their sex instead of their gender. But why? Why should a trans person be ashamed of their sex?

Ampersand said...

Here in my deep blue region of California, I regularly encounter people who believe that Kamala Harris was the morally and intellectually superior candidate, and that her loss was primarily attributable to misogyny and racism, as well as Joe Biden's late departure from the race.
Seriously.
It is a view especially prevalent among women.

loudogblog said...

"... that this was true mainly of transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy either before puberty or very early in its onset"

The problem with this is that children aren't in a position to know what their actual sexual preference is until after puberty.

Asking a child what sex they want to be before puberty is like asking someone what they want to eat if they're not in the least bit hungry.

Readering said...

More interested to read that Biden himself was on the competition is different side, where I stand.

n.n said...

Kamala was preoccupied inducting women and girls into #MeToo through alien invasion and males in drag, and upholding the progressive principle of performing human rites in liberal sanctuaries to sequester the "burden" of evidence in a wicked solution.

tcrosse said...

Under the current dispensation it is possible for a man to assert he is a woman, without benefit of surgery or hormone treatment, and to be accepted as such, all evidence to the contrary. This is what the UK supreme court ruled against.

Maynard said...

Kamala Harris was most disappointingly disheartening presidential candidate I've ever experienced. We face a disheartening future.

The 2028 ticket will be Cory "Spartacus" Booker and AOC. They are just as dumb as Kamala, but both think that they are intellectuals.

tommyesq said...

[t]he few scientists who did study the topic generally believed that transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy were, physiologically, more athletically similar to women than to men.

This is phrased in an extremely squirrelly way. What was the "topic" that only a few scientists had studied - was it specifically sports performance of trans athletes versus cis-athletes, or was it some other topic that was only tangentially related (if at all) to sports performance?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Kudos to the NYT for stretching the super thin material of an "answer Harris’s advisers prepared for her" that was NEVER actually SAID by Harris into an entire article! Bonus points for making it seem like someone else's fault that she never said it.

Pretty much a reflection, and microcosm, of her entire campaign.

Lem Vibe Banditory said...

Those hormones came from a wet market in China. The evidence is indisputable.

Peachy said...

Harris has one good debate. the debate was buttressed by fawning democratic media hack crutches - as she wore just- so-happened to look just like the earrings that work to speak to/aid articulation. She was a terrible speaker - and would regurgitate endless memorized lines. Another puppet.
Her opinion on any subject - same as the puppet masters.

Political Junkie said...

Good points by our hostess.
May I take this into a somewhat unrelated, but related topic of mental capacity differences. A powerful D who was President of Harvard, Larry Summers, lost his job when he mentioned that men are overrepresented at the high end and low end of the "genius/expert" spectrum. He was citing factual data and there was an uproar and he had to resign.
I play chess for a hobby and will always love chess. For whatever reason, at the highest levels, all are men. Always been that way. We can all speculate why that may be, but Larry Summers was forced out of his job for giving an un PC answer supported by facts.

Mr. T. said...

Readering said...
More interested to read that Biden himself was on the competition is different side, where I stand.


What....???

MadisonMan said...

The problem is that, had she been asked, Harris would have replied while grinning like an imbecile, and also while laughing.

Iman said...

Dee Dee (deedee)
Dee Dee Drivah
Ain’t nobody never ever seen so much saliva
Dee Dee (deedee)
Dee Dee Drivah
And they’re never gonna take him away

h/t Paul McCartney

Jim Gust said...

20 years from now "gender affirming medical care" will be right next to lobotomies in the literature of quackery and medical fads.

mikee said...

I note in passing that the proposed answer for candidate Harris states both mutually exclusive sides of the issue and doesn't come anywhere close to choosing one or the other. So her willingness to answer has added to it an inability to state a position on the subject. Thank the gods this person did not become president. Dementia is bad enough in a president. Having no convictions whatsoever is worse.

Tina Trent said...

The article's author is so biased against women that he cozies up to the male trans player's mother and sits with her at games but does not speak with the mothers of any of the female players. Nor does he say they refused comment. He just doesn't ask them.

Just like Kamala: real women and girls are disappeared, quietly. First they did it to female crime victims within hate crime laws, and nobody noticed. Then they did it to college athletes, and at least people noticed.

Several people in the comment threads also noticed that slurs such as "cis," "chestfeeding," and "people who menstruate" are frequently imposed on women, while similar militant leftist slurring is rarely used to describe men. I've never seen males described as "people who ejaculate sperm," for example.

The Left is actually waging two distinct wars against youth. One erases and denies the reality that only females are female. The other defines all males as toxic. They are sick, hate-filled people.

john mosby said...

Trent: “ similar militant leftist slurring is rarely used to describe men. I've never seen males described as "people who ejaculate sperm," for example.”

I for one would not be insulted to be described that way. It’s pretty accurate.

JSM

Randomizer said...

Aggie was correct to highlight this part of the article.

"...[t]he few scientists who did study the topic generally believed that transgender women who had undergone hormone-suppression therapy were, physiologically, more athletically similar to women than to men."

Physiologically similar to women, does not deny that the transitioned person may still have an unfair advantage.

A boy could be the 100th ranked runner. After completing hormone suppression therapy, the runner might be the 200th ranked boy or top ranked girl depending on which bathroom is chosen. That still is not fair to the girls.

FormerLawClerk said...

Let's get something clear: Kamala Harris doesn't have a single thought in her stupid little head. And the New York Times admits it when they write:

"The answer Harris’s advisers prepared for her ..."

Kamala Harris was Joe Biden's younger version. All questions are prepared in advance by Democrat Party members disguising themselves as journalists embedded in our national media.

No question is asked unless they want it asked.

And the answer, written always by others, was prepared well in advance.

Kamala Harris is a Democrat Party fluffer. She got ahead in the party by giving people head. That's all that's in her head.

Elliott A. said...

According to the lawsuits filed against the conference and the university, there were 251 women whose careers were destroyed by this one person. To quote Mr. Spock (a very liberal outlook at the time) "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." According to James Madison this is a quintessential example of tyranny of the minority However, at the end of the day there is no barrier to these individuals competing in sports since they can compete as men. I do not understand how any father or grandfather could claim sanity and support this travesty against women at the same time.

Lazarus said...

"Blaire" looks like he's really into the woman thing. "Lia" Thomas was just pulling a prank. It's only a joke until somebody gets hurt, though, like that high school volleyball player in NC.

Aggie said...

"But no one ever asked her, and the candidate didn’t bring it up on her own...."
Well, of course the Legacy Progressive Media ran interference for Kamala. This is just part of the 'We Knew It All Along' phase, like the tell-all books from 'Inside the Administration'.

They also tried to frame questions to limit the 'word salad' content-free answers, but to limited success. They are activists, and their job was to ensure success for the Party.

I noticed this morning on NPR that Joe Biden is referred to as 'President Joe Biden' - as opposed to Former President Donald Trump, using boldface to denote the smugness and sense of vanquish that was conveyed by tone, each time they manufactured an opportunity to use it. Tell us again, about how important Federal Funding is, NPR and PBS, to ensure your continued excellent commitment to fairness and transparency in coverage?

Jim K said...

Had she ever been asked the question, the response (which would not be an actual answer) would have been the same as every nearly every other "answer" she ever gave -- incomprehensible word salad.

Jim at said...

I still find it unfathomable this is even up for discussion, let alone such opposition that they're killing people over it.

What the fuck is wrong with you leftist nutjobs? With extremely rare exception, a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

You will eventually lose on this issue. Just how many more kids will you kill before you realize you've lost?

Jim at said...

Me at people's inability to detect obvious sarcasm.

If people can't differentiate between sarcasm and your normal stupidity, that's not on us.

D.D. Driver said...

"If people can't differentiate between sarcasm and your normal stupidity, that's not on us."

Anyone who read my message ⬆️above and thought it was pro-Kamala Harris is a fucking retard. That's on you, Jim. That's on you.

RCOCEAN II said...

Its quite possible that when talking to CBS' 60 Minutes, Kamala supported Transgenders in women's sports and bathrooms, and 60 minutes edited it out.

Not Illinois Resident said...

Peachy, thank you for reminding us of Kamala's debate earrings. I remember thinking these earrings didn't match her general aesthetic look, and that she appeared to have voices in her head. She certainly was far more articulate at that one debate than she was at any subsequent press interview, campaign stop, or stadium rally.

Sadly, I do think Kamala Harris is not an intellectual, not a public speaker, and promoted well beyond her natural talents. I say sadly, because I strongly believe in equal opportunity, but not formidable shoves and hugely remunerative no-work government spots by your randy politician sponsor-boyfriend.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

A) It was irony, not "sarcasm," which does fall flat in written form when the author's voice was unclear. B) It was neither funny nor incisive, again leading to easily being misinterpreted. C) Jim's retort in contrast was funny and pithy. DD) That's it! Call the reader(s) stupid for not "getting" your poor attempt at humor! (Bonus points for using the renewly fashionable r-word to signify your anger!)

Steve Austin Showed Up For Work. said...

You know, it seems to me that Harris could have said something about it if she wanted to! She didn't have to wait to be asked!

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