Said El Salvador President Nayib Bukele, quoted in "Alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia seen ‘sipping margaritas’ with Sen. Van Hollen amid El Salvador deportation battle, new photos reveal" (NY Post).
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Celebrating KAG just shows the political and moral bankruptcy of the Dems and the Fake News. He’s an illegal alien gang member and wife beater. America doesn’t care about KAG.
How many millions of actual constituents does this asshole have in MD and he's using tax dollars to fly to another country for a photo-op with some other criminal asshole who isn't even a citizen of the first asshole's country?
Totally unrelated but tar and feathers just popped into my head for some reason.
The Democrats are behaving as if illegal aliens are a voting block.
"Celebrating KAG just shows...."
It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board.
Should be “voting bloc”
“It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board.“
Millions of illegals were brought into our country against the law, without any sort of vetting or regional acceptance of them. Funny how “our principles” shows up now, now that the People have spoken and want them to leave our country.
The Dems made a giant mistake picking KAG as the hill they want to die on. That’s because when ICE starts deporting the illegal aliens and non gang members who work in the packing house in Schuyler, Nebraska, no one will care. Attention span will have been used up.
Summary of the case against KAG
Not included is the report that he was stopped in Tennessee and suspected of human trafficking but was ordered released by the FBI.
Why do we never see him without a hat?
Is it because he has tats on his head?
One blurry photo from cecot that his wife confirms as him seems to show a tatted up head.
John Henry
"The Dems made a giant mistake picking KAG as the hill they want to die on. "
It appears that Trump has chosen this issue to stand firm on and Dems are exploiting it. At your age, you should know that's how politics works. If it goes back to the Supremes, I think he'll be handed another defeat.
Troll of the year by Bukele.
Could you elaborate on what principles, Ann?
He had one immigration court hearing that ordered him deported. He had a second appeals immigration court hearing that ordered him deported.
A third court ordered him deported but not to El Salvador because he was in danger from "rival gangs" 2019
That danger no longer exists as bikele has locked up the gangs.
So what are you talking about?
John Henry
Just bring him back and put him through the correct process (whatever that is... we can argue about what that is, but it's (apparently) not what happened to him).
Why is this being prolonged?
If he can't be deeto his home country because of the judges 2019 ruling, he can still be deported to any other country that will have him.
Rwanda has a deal to take british deportese. Uzbekistan is nice this time of year. Maybe Papua new guinea?
As the cliche says "you don't have to go home but you can't stay here"
John Henry
Ann, he's been through the proper process twice (3 times?)
What more do you suggest? Specifically
John Henry
Democrats gonna democrat. MS-13 tattoo on the hand of the fine, upstanding “Maryland man”.
How many times must a wife-beating illegal immigrant gang member be ordered deported before you’ll be satisfied? Should the deportment process to become as prolonged, convoluted, and expensive as a death penalty case before you’ll be satisfied?
"It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board."
Somebody much wiser than me once said, "The Constitution isn't a suicide pact."
When they are all invited they can come back. Until then, out they go. They have already taken too much of my good nature and my treasure. Time to leave.
Info on the El Salvadoran shitbird will keep mysteriously surfacing with each idiotic a misstep taken by the Commiecrats. Keep giving ‘em rope, Mr. President.
If he can't be sent to CECOT, there is always Guantanamo.
My cafe post last night:
Judge Wilkinson fails to address how is it not entirely a matter of Salvadorian sovereignty whether Garcia, a Salvadoran citizen, is released from a Salvadoran jail. That omitted constraint explains why SCOTUS used the term facilitate rather than effectuate when addressing the Trump administration's obligation. Nevertheless, the district and now appeals courts conflate "facilitate" to entail pressuring a foreign government to follow the edicts of a US court, which clearly intrudes on how the Executive conducts foreign policy.
Neither does Wilkinson explain how being a citizen of El Salvador leaves Garcia "without recourse to law of any sort" in the El Salvadoran courts.
Wilkinson...
Today, both the United States and the El Salvadoran governments disclaim any authority and/or responsibility to return Abrego Garcia... We are told that neither government has the power to act. The result will be to leave matters generally and Abrego Garcia specifically in an interminable limbo without recourse to law of any sort...
“Why is this being prolonged?”
For reasons as stated. Democrats will hang themselves high as the rope is slowly provided. I suggest a purchase of popcorn and a recliner.
That these assholes even have the nerve to show their miserable faces after their beloved Woe Biden flooded the country with unvetted illegal immigrants is a statement in and of itself.
Yeah, have margaritas with the wife beating twice deported M143 gang member and have it memorialized by photographers.
That's the ticket!
Between Van Hollen and Letitia “Sasquatch” James, it’s retarded, shell-less turtles all the way down.
The media kept calling Garcia a "Maryland man."
He's turned out to be more like Maryland Manson.
Leftist Democrats in power need to show their solidarity with wife beaters and thugs.
didn't 2 judges establish he is M13 - and he has a history of abusing his wife?
"It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board."
Which principles are those? The ones that shut down churches and small businesses during COVID, but left liquor stores open? The Tim Walz/Keith Ellison snitch line? The principles that meant people who simply walked into the Capitol on Jan. 6 were held incommunicado? The due process arguments coming from the Donks would have a lot more credibility if we hadn't experienced the spectacle of our moral tutors wiping their asses with the Constitution for the last half-decade.
The problem with Senator Van Hole-in-his-head is his evil nature, not his buffoonery. Rightwingers on line are laughing at this clown, unaware of the evil nature of his beliefs. This man will fly hundreds of miles to protect an illegal alien, a gangmember, and criminal.
Meanwhile he doesn't give a damn about a woman in her state that had a daughter murdered by an illegal alien.
Its incredible what killer-clowns these Democrats are. And here's the thing, the Senator isn't pandering to anyone. He's not gaining votes by doing this, he's losing them. So, this is something he deeply truly believes in. Open borders, anti-American, Unpatriotic, a lover of criminals.
You see somthing similar in Maine, where the Governor is "Going to the mat" and willing to lose tens of millions of federal funding to allow transgender boys to play girls sports and use the girls bathroom. She's not doing it because its popular, she's doing it because deeply believes this freakish idea that harmful to girls.
Killer-clowns.
Millions of illegals were brought into our country against the law, without any sort of vetting or regional acceptance of them. Funny how “our principles” shows up now, now that the People have spoken and want them to leave our country.
4/18/25, 6:14 AM
THIS^^^ Funny how "our principles" let the Democrats let millions of unvaccinated, unvetted criminals into our country with NO DUE PROCESS.
Garcia had a legal deportation order. the Trump administration is correct that he has no legal right to set foot is the US again.
Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen in an El Salvadoran prison. Getting him out is strictly a foreign policy matter. The process we as a nation are going through is delineating the line between Federal Executive and District Court power. Are we governed by the man we the people chose or by over 600 lower court judges trying to direct Federal policy?
This is from the Wall Street Journal, it says that we are paying to keep him in prison.
The deportees from the U.S. are being held in different conditions from the local inmates, Salvadoran officials told Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem when she visited the prison, known as Cecot, last month.
“They have mattresses. They have full meals,” she told the Journal during the trip. “They receive time for exercise and are getting medical checks on a regular basis.”
In a meeting with El Salvador Vice President Félix Ulloa on Wednesday, Van Hollen demanded to know why Abrego Garcia was still imprisoned without evidence he is a member of MS-13.
“His answer was that the Trump administration is paying the government of El Salvador to keep him at Cecot,” Van Hollen told reporters after the meeting.
This dirt bag had 2 different hearings in front of 2 different judges. What else do the courts need to do?
2 domestic abuse cases.
The wife very conveniently now said what a good dad and husband he is AFTER $100K plus shows up in GoFundMe. Imagine that!
Now, it has been found he was driving without a license in Tennessee with 7 unknowns and was pulled over. Biden admin said take pictures and let him go.
This guy is illegally here. Have him stay exactly where he is-in El Salvador.
Why is this being prolonged? Is that a question directed at these district judges? They would have to answer that. I can't. Meanwhile, the district judges and POTUS are playing with fire, and someone is going to get burned.
A citizen of El Salvador who entered the United States illegally was deported to El Salvador. That isn't news, is it? He made asylum claims that are past their pull-by date with the crushing of the gang he said threatened him at home. Two judges in our immigration system found it likely that he was affiliated with the MS-13 gang.
Surely we aren't going to have individual habeas corpus hearings for millions of people who came here illegally under Team Biden.
I think they just proved that KAG is totally under the jurisdiction of El Salvador. El Salvador just let Van Hollen, a true Maryland man, drink margaritas with him in a tropical paradise.
Trump and Bukele are trolling the courts and the news media. They can do this for a long time. They like it.
I agree with Althouse on this. Recall that at first, The Narrative was that this was a case of mistaken identity…that
— eek— the wrong guy had been sent to Hellhole. As details trickle out, it appears the administration has it right— this is a gang member who doesn’t do a thing to make America great again. So why not simply correct the dang mistake, via zoom appearance, and remain on firm footing?
Part of the problem here is that I don’t know enough about the deportation process to know how it’s supposed to work. Once someone has a deportation order, and say, they’re not already in El Salvador, are they expected to arrange for their own repatriation? How long are detainees kept? What’s the plan for the detainees at cecot who are not salvadoran? Is there an expedited judicial process whereby they are then free to leave cecot and go…wherever?
I will be forcefully reminded by commenters that these are criminals. Ok, but they haven’t gone through any kind of judicial process. You can’t just keep them “detained” forever.
Conservatives are rule of law people. We hired DJT to enforce immigration law, not bend it. He will lose support if he goes too far.
Can Van Holler(D) stay in El Salvador? Please.
If this guy killed somebody in El Salvador after he was deported, and El Salvador locked him up and refused to release him, would Judge Boasberg still try to find Trump in criminal contempt?
Wince said...
“Judge Wilkinson fails to address how is it not entirely a matter of Salvadorian sovereignty whether Garcia, a Salvadoran citizen, is released from a Salvadoran jail. That omitted constraint explains why SCOTUS used the term facilitate rather than effectuate when addressing the Trump administration's obligation. Nevertheless, the district and now appeals courts conflate "facilitate" to entail pressuring a foreign government to follow the edicts of a US court, which clearly intrudes on how the Executive conducts foreign policy.
Neither does Wilkinson explain how being a citizen of El Salvador leaves Garcia ‘without recourse to law of any sort’ in the El Salvadoran courts”
Yanqui imperialism at its worst.
We must bring him back and wait until he harms or murders an innocent American citizen - then we will know for sure, he is a bad dude.
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If we let our government deport and jail a non-citizen MS-13 gang member who beats his wife and has a court order to be deported, it's a slippery slope until they take your mom.
Did I do that right?
This is professional level high grade international trolling.
tommyesq said...
“If this guy killed somebody in El Salvador after he was deported, and El Salvador locked him up and refused to release him, would Judge Boasberg still try to find Trump in criminal contempt?”
At this point, I would not be surprised if Judge Bonehead would try to find Bukele in criminal contempt.
Yanqui imperialism at its worst.
The whole point of Puppet Biden signalling that Illegals should abuse our Asylum system - and "surge the border" was, in part, to overwhelm our courts.
It's all part of the big plan to import illegals as Democrat voters. Nothing more.
Someone on X was demanding proof of life wrt Kilmar. Someone else followed up with the photo described above.
"So why not simply correct the dang mistake, via zoom appearance, and remain on firm footing?"
1. Trump likes it this way. The MSM and the Democrats are way over their skis with this guy. The drinks party on the terrace with KAG shows exactly who Van Hollen is, particularly with the Maryland senator showing no interest in a young mother of five who was raped a beaten to death by a different illegal alien who never should have been here. He is screwed up morally on this.
2. There is still plenty of air in this story. In the fullness of time, after every leftie and partisan has been reduced to weeping over the awful fate of this tatooed thug, Trump will bring KAG back, and then deport him again, maybe to Greenland.
3. These district judges are too buried in their metier to recognize how awful this looks. Even CNN is starting to spin away from KAG. Last night a Dem panelist said, "This can't be about KAG." I'll say!
"It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board" More like, sticking to the convenient appeal to principles for political purposes after years of jettisoning any such principles for the sake of allowing mass illegal immigration and destroying any semblance of the rule of law, "across the board."
Principles are living, breathing standards…
Caroline suggests a solution: hold Garcia’s immigration hearing in a foreign country. Fly a judge, lawyers, and witnesses there. No one should be opposed to that.
I cannot believe that people support keeping a man in prison who was accused of wear a Chicago Bulls hat.
The Foundering Fathers would gut you bootlicking motherfuckers.
"These are my principles. If you don’t like them I have others."
Marx (Groucho Marx)
"It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board."
What are "our" principles here? Apparently, the federal judiciary's principles are that no nice person approves of Donald Trump.
I can almost imagine Chief Justice Roberts now feverishly looking through his thesaurus (gifted to him by Norm Eisen) to identify a word whose legal definition is even more obtuse than that of facilitate or eventuate. What a man! I used to believe there wasn't a bigger clown show than the U.S. Congress, but our Federal judiciary keeps saying "hold my beer". It's no longer about the Constitution, it's full on haruspication.
It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board.
That ship has sailed. What principles were the Dems sticking to across the board when they organized this illegal invasion?
This is about forcing one side to stick to principles selected by the other side.
The Dems deliberately overwhelmed the system. Now they want to establish a precedent so every deportation requires "the correct process (whatever that is..." And of course they will argue endlessly about what that is. It will be an endlessly moving target and even if it wasn't, the system cannot process the number of illegal aliens it would have to process.
The Dems brought all these illegals here to change the makeup of the electorate, to change the balance of power in Congress and to make sure only a Dem could win the White House. Let's not stick our heads in the sand about that.
Our principles are not a suicide pact. The Dems overwhelmed the system, not the Republicans. If the system can't be used like it used to for individuals anymore, who's fault is that?
Its GOOD FRIDAY and you have the same mouthpieces up in here in the rabble yelling Crucify Him without and proof of guilt or any process but because we said s. Its to be expected. Father forgive them for they know not what they do....never better words spoken. sickening..you look the fool..
Rules for Radicals,
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
D.D. Driver said...
I cannot believe that people support keeping a man in prison who was accused of wear a Chicago Bulls hat.
That's literally a "Bullshat" argument.
DD - LOL. are you serious? Van Holler(D) brought that in his suitcase. Gotta get the photo-op right.
When the President of the United States doesn't think he has to obey the courts or thinks he is above the law, it is a very dangerous time.
There was a due process for immigrating to the US and the Dems completely ignored it. So much for "across the board".
Dunham - what law is that? Do explain.
Yeah - letting in millions of illegals - is an illegal act itself.
Myorkas WAS impeached - but Schumer - evil obedient leftist - let it drop.
"It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board" More like, sticking to the convenient appeal to principles for political purposes after years of jettisoning any such principles for the sake of allowing mass illegal immigration and destroying any semblance of the rule of law, "across the board."
True. The appeal to principles here gets my "civility bullshit" tag.
Ann Althouse said...
Why is this being prolonged?
We've had two months of every news media outlet, leftie commentator and congressional Democrat in the country going nuts and weeping over this guy. How do you think this situation is being perceived around the country? How many people now think on a gut level that Democrats care more about illegal alien criminals than everyday Americans? Why wouldn't the Trump administration prolong it, especially since the Democrats seem determined to die on that hill?
@Dunham, Joe Biden isn't President any more, thankfully.
It is indeed a dangerous time, but there's nothing new about disagreements between the Administrative and Judicial branches over which has authority on a certain matter at hand.
What is new is a major political party organizing an invasion to change America into a permanent one party majority to be run like California or Chicago.
Dunham said...
When the President of the United States doesn't think he has to obey the courts or thinks he is above the law, it is a very dangerous time.
Thank God, Joe Biden is out of office!
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Why is this being prolonged?
So Trump can gauge how much his public and the courts really give a damn about antiquated notions such as due process and the rule of law. Good to know this before they start doing the same to American citizens. Once they're gone - sorry but there is nothing we can do about it.
"The appeal to principles here gets my "civility bullshit" tag."
+1
This is part of his mandate. Just look at above comments.
MartyH said...
“Caroline suggests a solution: hold Garcia’s immigration hearing in a foreign country. Fly a judge, lawyers, and witnesses there. No one should be opposed to that.”
Everyone should be opposed to that. For one, the three separate immigration court cases unanimously held that he should be deported. What would a fourth accomplish?
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Democrat Senator, wearing an expression of grave concern while meeting with a MS13 foreign national serial domestic abuser over cocktails; while that same Senator never once considered meeting with the family of Rachel Morin, his own constituent.
Interesting optics, Senator.
9:42 PM · Apr 17, 2025
"Just bring him back and put him through the process." He's already had 2 hearings that determined he is here illegally. The principle being defended here, that each and every person who sets foot on American soil is entitled to the same due process as an American citizen accused of a capital crime--endless hearings, delays, appeals--that he can take shelter in sanctuary states and cities that shield him, provide free room and welfare benefits while his lawyers endlessly prolong the deportation, is the principle rejected by the American voters. And yet the Democrats and their unelected allies in the judiciary don't care. Which is why no imaginable Comprehensive Immigration Reform agreed to by Congress can ever change the system. Whatever amnesty is granted by Republicans in the name of compromise to close the border in the future will be meaningless, as long as the principle that every person who steps over the border has Consititutional due process rights to endlessly delay their deportation.
jim5301 said...
Good to know this before they start doing the same to American citizens. Once they're gone - sorry but there is nothing we can do about it.
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DINKY DAU 45 said...
“Its GOOD FRIDAY and you have the same mouthpieces up in here in the rabble yelling Crucify Him without and proof of guilt or any process but because we said s[o].”
I agree; this TDS nonsense is getting tiresome.
Oh, were you talking about some else? If your idea of crucifiction involves repatriating a foreign national to his home country that is safer than significant parts of the US, Canada, and Western Europe, then the El Salvadoran Tourism Board has some work to do.
The political message of the Dems is that - in their words - a "Maryland consituent" of Senator Hollen was kidnapped and is being held illegally by El Salvador, making it sound like Trump did something similar to the Hamas kidnapping of Israelis.
This argument by the Dems is vile, a base political lie of the worst sort, a blood libel that should be denounced as such.
When Party members start talking about their principles, it's a good time to count the silverware.
Forced repatriation IS one of our principles.
I think that El Salvador is going to benefit from this individual's presence in his home country and that it's wrong for the United States to deprive another sovereign nation of that benefit by trying to bring him back here (especially for some show trial so Democrats can pretend that they care about the rule of law). It's big bully America, taking the best and brightest from less powerful countries when those countries desperately need the skill and talent someone like Garcia can offer.
"I will be forcefully reminded by commenters that these are criminals. Ok, but they haven’t gone through any kind of judicial process. You can’t just keep them “detained” forever."
OK. Now do the Jan6 detainees.
Van Hollen seems like a poor man's Sheldon Whitehouse. He could hardly be a richer (or a stupider) Whitehouse. They both come from the same WASPy, well-off diplomatic backgrounds and they're both repeating the same nonsense so that they don't get thrown out of a party that hasn't been too friendly to white men.
He has an MS13 tattoo on his left hand. There's no question of his gang membership. That gang is a recognized terrorist organization. Fuck him and his mob lawyers.
Is KAG entitled to due process? Yes.
The US did not sentence KAG to imprisonment nor did we imprison him. We shipped him back to his home country. He's a citizen of El Salvador. What is El Salvador's due process for KAG? It's El Salvador's due process he is entitled to, not ours.
In answer to Ann's question, Trump's feeding his supporters and 90% of her commentators wagyu beef black and bloody. The strategy of appealing to basic emotions is a priority over accomplishing real change. I've given the bastard a hundred days it looks like he needs more time. I'll give him another 100 days to hammer out a deal with China. Failing that I would say that the honeymoon will be completely over and the Republicans will be destroyed in the midterm elections.
"Forced repatriation IS one of our principles."
Sally327 perfectly and concisely nails it.
yes his mother was state department, as whitehouses father was cia, in paris and laos,
of course actually evidence like the prince george's county gang units report don't figure into the mix,
Ann Althouse said...
"Celebrating KAG just shows...."
It's not about KAG. It's about sticking to our principles across the board.
What "principles?" Fraud? Gang violence? Domestic violence? Human trafficking? Child abduction?
Since those are the principles KAG embodies, people are free to stick to them (and the left sure has like the duct tape used on the murdered October 7 hostages), but I would be very remiss to call them "our" principles.
The way Due Process is being invoked basically means that illegals cannot be deported in significant numbers. I don't think that the process that due in the case of deporting an illegal immigrant requires a formal adjudication pre-removal. Police routinely remove unruly customers from bars, or abusive husbands from their homes, simply by making a judgment on the spot that they're being disorderly or present a threat. There's no hearing prior to their actual removal from the premises. Of course, if there's a subsequent prosecution, the full range of Due Process rights apply. In the case of illegal aliens, it should be understood that if officials have reasonably established that the person is not lawfully in the country, they can be instantly removed. If they want to establish that they ARE entitled to be in the U.S. under some legal rubric, then let them seek judicial relief from wherever they were deported to. However, what we have now essentially is a system that says illegals have a right to be in the country merely BECAUSE they haven't yet gone through a formal, individual proceeding to determine whether they can be removed. It's gridlock by design. And applied in another context, that system would mean that even a home invader could not be removed from your house.
Meanwhile Rachel Morin has not miraculously risen, much to the delight of the left and the democrats led by Jeffries and Booker.
She was probably too old. The left only likes them when they're real young...
where was her due process, if there had been some, she would still be alive, but as with Austin Metcalf, she doesnt matter to them,
Bukele could defuse this bomb by releasing KAG into society in El Salvador and telling him, "You just got a miracle. You won't get another. Don't blow it, compadre. We'll be watching you."
Of course the Dem media would immediately seize on another case, but their position would be weakened.
Amadeus 48 said...
"Surely we aren't going to have individual habeas corpus hearings for millions of people who came here illegally under Team Biden."
That's the end game. It will take 400 years to litigate each and every one of these deportation cases. The goal is "Everyone stays." And everyone knows it.
Bukele, who was once a lefty when he did advertising for the FMLN, the Commie party, realized a new market, by being the toughest hombre on the block
as such he has made El Salvador, the safest it has been in a generation,
Ventanas Rotas in the best translation of James Q Wilson,
so the Left (and some of the possum right) takes up the old 'stop and frisk' critique,
I think robother and Dogma are getting to the heart of prolonging. KAG's is an excellent case to establish that regardless of circumstances a sufficiently long but otherwise indeterminate length of residence in the US establishes de facto protection from deportation without the need to go through the hassle of actually getting the proper paperwork first. None of the millions invited in by the Biden junta will be deportable after that.
the whole lot wanted the FMLN to win, and we saw what came of that, some 15 years after they lost at the Battlefield,
the ARENA party had been discredited in the interim,
MS-13 can litigate their asylum claims from El Salvador
DD Driver: is DD Quim or Quimby
El Salvador is not Chicago, and without the forward-looking risk of leftist gangs, there is no longer a justification to tolerate American Civil Liberties Unburdened backed by Special Peculiar Liberal Corporations for causes of arbitrage, excess murder and rape, Democricide, etc.
Jesus was crucified as a "burden" of state. Americans are aborted for social progress and other purposes, in excess by illegal aliens, where liberals entertain abortive ideation on progressive principle to sequester the "burden" of evidence in sanctuary jurisdictions.
He's not much of Dreyfus, but neither were Sacco & Vanzetti, and their cause prospered and thrived for a while. Maybe he can write letters from prison. Yeah, that's the way to go. Letters to his wife, detailing his love for her and his refusal to lose his dignity and humanity despite the hardships that have been inflicted on him by THEM. Perhaps WE, the noble and righteous, can make a movie of their courtship and love. I see a good part for Rachel Zegler.
Bob Boyd: The US did not sentence KAG to imprisonment nor did we imprison him. We shipped him back to his home country. He's a citizen of El Salvador. What is El Salvador's due process for KAG? It's El Salvador's due process he is entitled to, not ours.
There is really no more that has to be said about this. It elegantly and pithily debunks all the "any of us can be disappeared!" hysteria from the Left.
I'll just add one fact: KAG was ordered by an immigration judge to be deported long ago and if he cared about his freedom he would have gone then and lived wherever he wants to. IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT NOW.
To answer the hosts question: "This" was prolonged by KAG's refusal to abide by the judge's order and be deported. He went through due process. Biden's desire to KEEP people like KAG here even after deportation rulings does not exempt KAG from the ruling. He is in his home country where he belongs. Look, even Democrat politicians can have access to him there.
Bukele has a handle on the absurdity of the American left and its media cartel.
Rocco- Garcia’s proponents want a judicial proceeding. He has no legal right to be in the US and the Trump administration should hold firm on that. The question before the court would be whether the ban on sending him to El Salvador was correctly decided. If the ban is overturned problem solved. If the ban is upheld the Trump administration will decide how hard it has to work to facilitate his removal from El Salvador.
Curiouser and curiouser:
Tennessee Highway Patrol Confirms 'Biden-Era FBI' Told Officers to Release Kilmar Abrego Garcia During 2022 Traffic Stop Despite Speeding and License Violations - Tennessee Star
Yes, the "traffic stop" where he had seven human trafficking subjects with no ID in the back of his white van in a state far from his home ("Maryland Man" remember?). The same traffic stop during which the arresting officer found that there was a "terrorist hold" placed on KAG by that same FBI.
The problem that Mr. Garcia has is that the President of El Salvador has more to gain by holding on to him than by returning him. (Plus, even if he gets returned, he still might get deported back later if the Administration can prove any criminal/MS 13 ties to an immigration judge.)
Ann Althouse said...
"Just bring him back and put him through the correct process..."
Trump can't just "bring him back." He's in the jurisdiction of another country. At this point, Trump would have to probably give the President of El Salvador something significant to purchase Mr. Garcia's return. (or Trump could just invade a soverign nation to try and get him back.)
What is there to show the "correct process" was not used?
What extra layers over an already performed hearing and appeal is he - and presumably every - illegal alien to receive under this shiny new standard?
I'd like details about what due process is claimed to be owed, and just always saying "more" or "different" doesn't cover it.
If we are going to hold this case to the most stringent due process standards possible, then we must investigate the millions of deportations that happened under both the Biden administration and Obama administration. Given this situation, how do we know those people received the required level of due process as this case? Could we trust the legacy media to inform us about that? It's hard to imagine all those deportations were on the up and up. For the legacy media, a single deportation is a tragedy, millions are a statistic, particularly when they happen during a like-minded administration.
I just thought of something.
Could it be that it's not legally possible for Mr. Garcia to be returned? Is the President of El Salvador bound by the same rule as Trump is when people say that he can't deport one of his own citizens to a foreign country unless it's an official extradition for a crime in that foreign country? And it might be that the fact that the U.S. shipped Mr. Garcia to El Salvador by mistake is not sufficient grounds for an extradition? (Because it's not an extradition for criminal activity?) Or maybe there would have to be an extradition hearing in El Salvador and the courts there might rule against extradition.
Also, if Mr. Garcia is on the international no-fly list and doesn't have a passport, the President of El Salvador might not even be able to release him and give him a plane ticket.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for Mr. Garcia to be returned, but it might be that laws will also have to be broken to return him.
Gravel said...
He has an MS13 tattoo on his left hand.
Imagine Garcia's deportation hearing being the opposite of the OJ trial.
He won't be "able" to take off his glove.
I just had another thought.
Since the pandemic, there have been a lot of court cases being hosted on video sites like Zoom. Would it be possible for the administration to have an immigration hearing on Mr. Garcia and have him participate from El Salvador using Zoom?
MartyH said...
"Garcia’s proponents want a judicial proceeding. He has no legal right to be in the US and the Trump administration should hold firm on that. The question before the court would be whether the ban on sending him to El Salvador was correctly decided. If the ban is overturned problem solved. If the ban is upheld the Trump administration will decide how hard it has to work to facilitate his removal from El Salvador."
MartyH - You are quite literally the first person - Garcia supporter or person arguing about due process - I've seen propose this. All of the others align much closer with our hostess when she says:
"Just bring him back and put him through the correct process."
And I see a HUGE(*) gap between the two italicized positions.
(*) - Said in Trump voice for humerous effect.
"the process" is bogged down waiting for a court date - intentionally-----> for years and years - even over a decade in some cases. It's got that Cloward Piven flavor.
Better picture of abrego in cecot clearly showing tattooed head.
Scroll down
https://newrepublic.com/post/194141/el-salvador-bukele-staged-photo-democratic-senator-van-hollen-abrego-garcia
John Henry
According to the police report of his arrest where he was in the presence of two other MS13 members he was wearing gang paraphernalia, including a Bulls hat. Horns are a symbol used by MS13. The team color of the Bulls is red, while MS13 color is blue. So if he was wearing a red Bulls hat, it would be an indication that he was not MS13. But notice in the linked article that the Bulls hat he's wearing is black. Maybe this is circumstantial, but it is one of many things that indicate that he is indeed MS13. But regardless, he was here illegally with a deportation order.
"It appears that Trump has chosen this issue to stand firm on and Dems are exploiting it. At your age, you should know that's how politics works. If it goes back to the Supremes, I think he'll be handed another defeat."
Which will be a win for Trump and the Republicans. Jesus, they're playing the Democrats like a cello.
Byron York:
" With all that has happened since January, one issue that has received less and less attention is the flow of illegal crossers over the U.S.-Mexico border. That’s because there no longer is a flow of illegal crossers over the U.S.-Mexico border. President Donald Trump stopped it in a matter of weeks. What had been a national crisis under President Joe Biden, with 10 million to 15 million immigrants entering illegally while U.S. authorities did almost nothing, was fixed quickly by the new president. Democrats, of course, were on the wrong side of the issue, so they don’t talk much about Trump’s achievement.
But now, Democrats across Washington and their allies in the media are consumed with intense emotion over another immigration-related issue: the case of an illegal migrant and possible MS-13 gang member named Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom the Trump administration recently deported to his native El Salvador. The Abrego Garcia affair has anti-Trump forces almost convulsed in a mixture of rage, self-righteousness, and political opportunism.
A sample? One anti-Trump organization recently published a piece headlined “Bring. Him. Home. Our cause is here; our time is now.” The article urged Democrats to undertake militant action. “They will have to act less like an American political party and more like Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s or Alexei Navalny’s People’s Alliance over the last decade,” it said. “But they should be under no illusions. The old American order is dead.” "
ugh - don't leftists get sick of themselves? It's just the same tired rage-dreck.
There are a LOT of good points in this thread. From previous deportation orders to the perp's foreign nationality, the Rats look insane for making this the hill they want to die on. Most lawyers insist that we need to offer the gangbanger yet another trial in the service of the perpetual judiciary, but the Trump Administration and El Salvador generally are correctly telling those people to sit on a tack.
Next up: group repatriations.
When I first saw the pics appear- I assumed photoshop and some bush league trolling going in. Now I see, no, the pic was real, confirmed real, and it was major league trolling going on and the bait was gleefully taken.
If the Dems see this a a victory, we need to rename them the Dims.
Prof. Althouse, you say this guy should go through the "correct process", not Due Process. That seem curious, in that other commenters have written the process the guy has already been through.
So, what else is required? You certainly know that Due Process means " the process you are due", NOT necessarily procedures conducted by judges.
So...what else?
Applying that principle to all illegals the government seeks to deport, would cram the court calendar with deportation hearings, preventing American citizens access to the court system and the Due Process rights THEY deserve.
Even if courts processed 1000 illegals every day of the year, it would take at least 41 YEARS before all of the estimated 15 million had been through judicial review.
THAT's a recipe for national suicide. It's Cloward Piven, all the way down.
We will not spend 40+ years undoing what Biden and the perfidious Dems did to our country. We're not stupid.
https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2025/04/17/wearing-emotion-on-the-sleeves-of-their-robes-4th-circuit-denies-motion-to-stay-in-abrego-garcia-case-n2187988
https://x.com/mishtal/status/1913184404442157110 in another circus ring
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1913308687143485823
the previous link refers to the fantasist mahdawi, who seems not to have earned the kind of fandom, that abrego has,
"The goal is "Everyone stays." And everyone knows it."
Althouse doesn't know it. Or she's good with it. Or she hasn't thought it through. I think that exhausts the possibilities.
Paralyzing the system by allowing many millions to enter illegally was a purposeful strategy. And it will have succeeded if we are required to have multiple court cases over each and every one. Are we required to acquiesce? I argue 'no'.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/kilmar-for-president
"What is there to show the "correct process" was not used?"
The Democrats didn't get the result they desired. The way it works is- you keep having trials or hearings or whatever until the results are satisfactory to the Democrats. At that point, you're done and you can never again question the outcome.
Larry J said...
How many times must a wife-beating illegal immigrant gang member be ordered deported before you’ll be satisfied?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind. The answer is blowin' in the wind.
2 things on this:
1. I am thinking about how Kamala Harris was the 2021a appointed executive "Border Czar" who was dedicated to addressing the root causes of our southern border migration crisis....and it became much worse, with no actions taken by her, and her declaiming her role later, and no one ever holding her to account.
2. From what I can see, KAG received due process in 2019-2021. I have no idea WHY he was treated the way he was, but it is very clear he was an illegal alien, citizen of another country, taking no steps to resolve that status and immigrate lawfully. At least one FBI informant named him as a MS-13 gang member, and that doesn't ever appear to have been resolved besides a judge deeming the informant as viewed as credible. The executive branch just....didn't act.
Now the executive branch has acted, and it's viewed as no due process. Huh? KAG is called a "Maryland Man" - Huh? He's a foreign citizen living illegally in the U.S. with some seriously questionable stuff in the past - and that's the BEST case scenario. And he's been deported into the custody of the country from which he originated and remains a citizen.
...
I don't love the Trump admin's way of handling this, but I also know they are forced to take these actions if they want to follow through on their commitment to address the rampant illegal immigration of hundreds of thousands of individuals who are not citizens and have strong records indicating they are/were associated with gangs, who have run into law enforcement along the way, and our nation just....did nothing. Released them without resolving their legal status.
The answer isn't "bring him back and re-unite him with his family and anyone like him and put him into a years long court process" either.
So the collective left has moved on from butchering kids to supporting a known MS-13 gang member - who's also a domestic abuser AND human trafficker - just to stick it to Trump.
Yeah. You go with that.
When the President of the United States doesn't think he has to obey the courts or thinks he is above the law, it is a very dangerous time.
Oh, just shove it up your ass. The guy's had not one, but TWO deportation hearings. He should've been tossed out of here years ago.
More BS propaganda. And of course El Salvador is going to pull the old Communist North Vietnamese trick of trying to show how nice the country club conditions are at this gulag. And of course Trumpists will run with it.
Nayib Bukele is trying to hide his government’s involvement with gangs.
More than two dozen high-ranking Salvadoran gang leaders have been charged with terrorism and other crimes in a Justice Department investigation that has lasted years. Several of them are jailed in the United States. One of the indictments details how senior members of Bukele's government held secret negotiations with gang leaders after his 2019 election. The gang members wanted financial benefits, control of territory, and better jail conditions, the court documents say. In exchange, they agreed to tamp down homicides in public areas and to pressure neighborhoods under their control to support Bukele's party in midterm elections, according to the 2022 indictment.
Bukele's government went so far as to free a top MS-13 leader, Elmer Canales Rivera, or “Crook,” from a Salvadoran prison, according to the documents — even though the U.S. government had asked for his extradition. (He was later captured in Mexico and sent to the U.S.)
Last weekend, the Trump administration sent back one of the MS-13 leaders named in the indictments, César Humberto López Larios, alias “Greñas,” along with the 238 Venezuelans and nearly two dozen other Salvadorans allegedly tied to gangs.
Some Salvadoran analysts believe Bukele wants the gang leaders back so they won’t testify about his government’s involvement with them, and potentially put him in legal trouble.
“If these returns [of Salvadoran gang members] continue, it takes away the possibility that the U.S. judicial system will open a case against Bukele for negotiations and agreements with terrorist groups,” said Juan José Martínez d´ Aubuisson, an anthropologist who has studied the gangs.
"...trying to show how nice the country club conditions are at this gulag."
Nobody is doing that. Just the opposite. El Salvador has put out videos showing how harsh CECOT is. They're proud of how harsh it is.
Gulag means labor camp. CECOT is not a labor camp. A labor camp would probably be considered an improvement by most of the prisoners in CECOT.
However, KAG told Van Hollen he isn't being kept in CECOT. We don't really know if he ever was.
@gadfly
So Bukele tricked the cartels, won the Presidency and then destroyed them?
That's awesome! That's exactly the kind of legendary hero you want leading your country, no?
Senator Chris Van Hollen (Dem-MD) said this morning that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man mistakenly deported by the Trump administration, reported having been traumatized during nearly three weeks inside a notorious maximum security prison in El Salvador before being transferred to another detention facility where he remains in isolation.
Van Hollen, who traveled to El Salvador to press for Abrego Garcia’s release and met with him in San Salvador, said the prisoner had been transferred nine days ago from the CECOT prison to a lower-level prison camp in Santa Ana. Abrego Garcia was dressed in plain clothes, shaved, showered, and wearing a baseball cap to hide his buzz haircut. His photo showed him sipping bottled water.
Bob Boyd: The article said that the Salvadoran elected dictator, who is only in office because of manipulation around term limits by politicians and judges, gained support early by stomping on the M-13, then used this same gang's membership to support his most recent election in 2024.
Dems on the side of gangsters and communists, news at eleven
Heh. One stunt deserves another.
Why does nobody talk about Kilmar's sheet metal apprenticeship program?
In the 50s and 60s the cliche was that you had to be God's nephew to get into a craft union like SMART (sheet metal workers). The apprenticeship program were even harder. You had to be God's favorite nephew. Then and now, the programs seem to be more selective than many elite universities.
One of the specific requirements for SMART apprenticeship from their website is HS degree or GED. Kilmar seems to have neither. (But I could be wrong)
He was also under deportation order.
So how did he get in? I am sure that it did not involve several MS-13 members showing up at the union office implying the business agent's daughter would be kidnapped and sold into Venezuela for sex work. Or worse.
Apprenticeships are limited. Kilmar, by taking one, kept an American citizen out of a lucrative field. In terms of career and earning opportunities the apprenticeship is probably worth considerable more than many college degrees.
Perhaps Senator Van Hollen can investigate how he got the apprenticeship. Maybe also investigate to did not get one because of him.
John Henry
wearing a baseball cap to hide his buzz haircut
No, Gadfly, just no.
The ballcap hides extensive tattoos on his head. Similar to the head tattoos of other MS-13 members. Are Kilmar's tattoos just decorative, not gang related? I suppose it is possible. It may be possible for pigs to fly too.
How about you take a look at this picture, of Kilmar as identified by his wife, and explain how they are not gang tats.
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:bvsdz7yegwddkxrtd6y3h56l/bafkreiezwr2tdm6i3lerahogmzxd2vc25c3o73xko7otudbatymukulkum@jpeg
John Henry
The opposition politician said...
The opposition propaganda outlet said...
You'll forgive my skepticism.
Listened to MSNBC and the ACLU talk about this tonight.
I thought deportations under this Alien Enemies Act were subject to ANY judicial review.
They were arguing in front of Boasberg and he finally admitted he had no jurisdiction but he was sympathetic to the gang members.
The Left wants hearings for all these illegal alien gang members.
What's the story behind the claim that he was deported "mistakenly"?
OM:
The original narrative was that he was just a Maryland husband and father who was mistaken as someone else who was an MS-13 guy.
The Left repeatedly uses the same narrative that Tom Wolfe used in “The Bonfire of the Vanities.” Honor society student hit by car. Ben Crump has repeatedly used the same trick. Remember the picture of the kid on the horse? The one with burglary tools?
Thanks, Dave. What I'm wondering about is the claim that the Trump administration (DOJ?) "admitted that they sent the wrong guy". My mother has been bleating about that, and I heard it elsewhere early on, but haven't heard much about the claim lately.
"hawkeyedjb said...
Amadeus 48 said...
"Surely we aren't going to have individual habeas corpus hearings for millions of people who came here illegally under Team Biden."
That's the end game. It will take 400 years to litigate each and every one of these deportation cases. The goal is "Everyone stays." And everyone knows it"
That's why the Dems are going to the mats over this guy. They need to set the precedent.
Mike- he claimed that his life was in danger if he were deported to El Salvador, so a judge ruled that he could not be deported there.The Administration’s mistake was sending him to El Salvador.
Mike- he claimed that his life was in danger if he were deported to El Salvador, so a judge ruled that he could not be deported there.The Administration’s mistake was sending him to El Salvador.
Gadfly: "Juan José Martínez d´ Aubuisson, an anthropologist who has studied the gangs."
d'Aubuisson is not that common of a name (and yes, I realize that in the Spanish naming convention, it's in the maternal position).
Roberto d'Aubuisson was the leader of ARENA in the 80s.
Bukele started out as an FMLN man.
Maybe there isn't scholarly detachment here?
JSM
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