March 15, 2025

"The war has given enormous public exposure to what’s known as Russia’s 'Z community' — pro-war volunteers, military bloggers and ultranationalists..."

"... who want to see a total subjugation of Ukraine.... The 'turbopatriots'... fought on the front lines and were rewarded with an increased social status in wartime Russian society. For decades regarded by the Kremlin as a volatile source of potential opposition, these ultranationalist figures were harnessed to advance the government’s message on the necessity of the bloody, grinding war. But they have also emerged as a rare source of criticism of… Putin.... The Z community and Russia’s ultranationalists have been especially critical in recent weeks of the euphoric response in Russia to Trump’s seemingly more Moscow-friendly approach — and even more so since this week’s talk of a possible ceasefire.... 'What is our specific Russian joy here?' asked nationalist writer Zakhar Prilepin on Telegram after the widespread Russian delight over last month’s Oval Office confrontation between Zelensky and President Donald Trump.... The confusion has been felt especially keenly along the front, where many Russian soldiers believe that rather than just taking on the Ukrainians, they have been fighting a war against NATO and the United States, having experienced firsthand the devastating impact of U.S.-provided weapons to Ukraine."

From "If peace comes, Putin could face the ire of his most hard-line backers/Vladimir Putin and his propagandists convinced many in Russia that there was an existential battle against the U.S. Now they have to deal with a thaw in U.S.-Russian relations" (WaPo).

43 comments:

Kate said...

When Biden and the Autopenners were in charge, it was an existential battle.

RCOCEAN II said...

The russian bloggers are correct. Russia has lost hundreds of thousands of men killed and wounded and fought for 3 years. Russia needs to keep the territory its taken, plus get iron clad guarantees de-militarizing Ukraine and rights for Russian speakers. All the death and destruction only makes sense if Ukraine if never allowed to be a threat to Russia again.

NATO and goobers like Miss Lindsey have made it clear, they see Ukraine as way to weaken and threaten Russia. They love the Ukrainians "Killing Ruskkies" All the talk about "Democracy" is just cover for their imperialism.

Putin needs to make sure this is the last war with Ukraine.

hombre said...

Does anybody believe WaPo bullshit?

RCOCEAN II said...

Funny how no one who supports the Genocide in gaza, or the Israeli attacks into Lebanon or Syria are described as "Turbo Patriots" or "UltraNaitonalists". Its sorta the way very religious Jews are just labeled "Orthodox" while very religious Christians are "Fundmentalists" or "christian nationalists".

Tom T. said...

People have been pointing out from the beginning that Putin risked being assassinated if he didn't come home with a victory, given the costs he imposed on Russia when he decided to invade. That's why the drumbeat of "why won't Ukraine talk peace" have always rung so hollow -- Putin can't be seen offering compromises.

Yancey Ward said...

I have seen no euphoric reaction in Moscow to Trump's outreach. It all seems a rather cool and detached reaction. The Russians will almost certainly continue to grind the Ukrainian army into the ground rather than accept the terms Zelensky lied about agreeing to this past week.

mikee said...

Putin, of course, can handle the aggression of his ultranationalists by releasing them internally upon anyone else in opposition to his rule, and by analogy, in opposition to Holy Mother Russia!

Big Mike said...

If the “Z community” likes the war so much let them grab a helmet and an AK and go fight it. Enough of them get killed in action Putin will have no problems with them anymore.

Aggie said...

Russia has a strong streak of nationalism that was formerly subjugated by the Soviet cause. But it predates the Soviets. Heroism in defense of the Motherland is highly respected there, and it will be something that Putin will have to contend with. It is not under his control.

Lazarus said...

The "euphoric response in Russia" to the prospect of peace wasn't a story for WaPo? Just these malcontents? A couple of zeds and many noughts?

"Military bloggers"? I imagine an army of "War Nerds" getting up from their computers and gearing up to fight in the Big One.

Kakistocracy said...

The insurmountable problem is that both Trump and Putin are narcissists living in their own fantasy land. Zelenskyy is the only one with empathy who has some understanding of what ordinary Ukrainians face every day -- death or destruction by missile, drone, FAB guided bombs. Putin's regime allows him to feed almost unlimited numbers of young and old men into a meat grinder. He's relying on the fact that Zelenskyy does not have that 'luxury'. However Putin is running out of equipment, and faces a formidable threat from Ukrainian drones, both on the battlefield and at home. Putin will run out of heavy equipment in about 12 months (almost all equipment now being destroyed is from the Soviet era and production is heavily constrained by manpower shortages), while Ukraine might well develop more long range drones as well as battlefield missiles. Yes, Ukraine has a manpower shortage, but this is fast becoming a drone war, when that may not matter so much.

Does Putin actually want the war to stop? Very unlikely given that a full scale end to hostilities will result in the return of nearly a million young men turned into psychopaths by the constant threat of death from the air. Can't see any way that Putin opts for long term peace at this point, or in the future. The never ending war. This is why all talk of Putin's objectives is meaningless in my opinion. His objective is to subjugate his own people. This war helps him do that, and a free and west leaning Ukraine makes that impossible. Catch 22

Big Mike said...

hombre said...

Does anybody believe WaPo bullshit?


Actually, yes. My late brother-in-law believed the Times, the Post, the Chicago Tribune, CNN, CBS, etc. All of them. But across their former revenue base enough former subscribers have walked away thst owned Jeff Bezos is getting concerned.

n.n said...

Pro-peace, anti-Spring, intrigue wary community. Russia is not South Africa. The transnationalists will have to do better if they ever hope to carve Russia and scalp her natural resources. WaPout.

Achilles said...

It would be a wonderful world where the Russian "Z community" and the Neocons in the US could be put on the battlefield to fight their own stupid war. For that matter you can throw the Oligarchs in Ukraine running the conscription squad in Ukraine in for a nice warmongering 3 way.

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Eva Marie said...

Poor lefties. The ball is slipping away from them.
The more lefties say Trump will fail, the more I think he’ll succeed.
First, if lefties really thought Trump would fail, they would be doing the opposite of what they are doing now. They’d be saying chances are good, even a fairly competent negotiator should be able to get a peace settlement now that both populations are exhausted. Then, when Trump failed they could play the blame game. As it is, if he fails, MAGA will be satisfied that he tried and lefties won’t really have anything more to say besides I told you so.
Except lefties fear that Trump will succeed which is why they are doing everything they can to sabotage the negotiations. Every reporter’s question to Trump and Rubio is “Do you denounce Putin?” “Do you agree Putin is the worst human being on earth?” But the Trump team is amazing. They field these questions like the champs they are.

Achilles said...

Kakistocracy said...
The insurmountable problem is that both Trump and Putin are narcissists living in their own fantasy land. Zelenskyy is the only one with empathy who has some understanding of what ordinary Ukrainians face every day -- death or destruction by missile, drone, FAB guided bombs.

Notice how Rich sides with the dictator who flies around the world in $50,000 coutere warmonger uniforms begging for money and using press gangs to force his own people to the front lines.

Zelensky was full of empathy when he jailed opposing political parties and critical media. Zelensky was the epitome of empathy when he cancelled elections.

Rich is a disgusting warmonger and a dishonest person who bathes in the blood of dead Ukrainian men. Go fight your own war coward.

Achilles said...

Big Mike said...
If the “Z community” likes the war so much let them grab a helmet and an AK and go fight it. Enough of them get killed in action Putin will have no problems with them anymore.

According to the story they are.

Which is a massive contrast to the Neocons in the US who have the same bloodthirsty support for war, but are too cowardly to go fight themselves and would prefer to support Ukraine from afar.

Peachy said...

Agree with Yancey

Peachy said...

The left would rather see WWIII - than allow Trump a win.

Jaq said...

The US has been using Russian ultranationalist like Navalny, whom we gave $20 million to run in the Russian elections according to Wikileaks, to try to destabilize Russia for many years. Between them and ISIS, the Islamic terrorist organization that only attacks enemies of the CIA, we have run quite a campaign. But his is just wishful thinking on the part of the "Antlanticists." But one this is for certain, if Putin sells out Russia in these negotiations, which it does not seem to be his intention, he will likely be deposed.

Jaq said...

Here is the Democratic definition of "narcissist": A Republican who thinks he has a right to the power of the presidency. Or any opponent of the Democrats who succeeds on any scale.

Joe Biden? Not a narcisist! Even as he provoked this war over a grand scheme to end history once and for all by picking off Russia and leaving China standing alone. That's not grandiose at all! All of the money paid to the Biden family out of Ukraine was earned money! That's not a narcissistic believe! Biden had a right to sell favors based on the power vested in him by the electorate! That's not narcissism! That's business! But Trump! If he tries to end a war in which thousands are dying ever week over the plan by the "Atlanticsists" to end history by planting the US firmly at the top and unchallenged? Narcissism!

Jaq said...

"Zelenskyy is the only one with empathy who has some understanding of what ordinary Ukrainians face every day -- death or destruction by missile, drone, FAB guided bombs"

Zelensky rejected a deal which would have ended the war after a month, and left Ukraine intact but for Crimea, which voted to leave.

Apparently Kaki thinks that all of this suffering by Ukrainians is necessary because it is absolutely essential that Ukraine foreswear it's neutrality and join a military bloc hostile to Russia and dedicated to the destruction of the Russian Federation.

Kakistocracy said...

Isn’t the question rather: what is Trump’s game? He started the talks by agreeing to key Russian demands, such as that Ukraine will have to cede territory. You couldn’t imagine a weaker negotiating tactic.

Putin’s game is pretty clear and always has been.

Trump’s game? Now that’s much more opaque and obscure

Jaq said...

BTW, the European Court of Human Rights just found Ukraine guilty of doing nothing while dozens of Russian protesters were locked into the Trade Union building in Odessa and burned to death by Ukrainian nationalists, and by doing nothing, I mean standing down the firefighters, doing nothing to stop the violent rioters who drove the protesters into the building and never bothering to investigate the murders.

These are the people that Kaki wants the Russians to turn over all of the ethnic Russians to, ethnic Russians who live in the borders of Ukraine pasted together by Hitler and Stalin and Lenin and Khrushchev in a country created in the chaos of the fall of the USSR.

Achilles said...

I look forward to this war ending and Ukraine having elections.

I look forward to the investigations into where all of the money and Arms we sent to Ukraine went.

Jaq said...

Trump's game is to get us out of a lost war. Biden pushed a lot of chips onto the table. It was a stupid bet. Trump simply has recognized the reality. The Russians have won on the conventional battlefield, and if we want to "win" this war, we are gong to have to take it to the next level, which we all know how that will end. Gradually, then suddenly, some estimates are that when the nukes start to fly, it will be over in 70 minutes.

All of that over who gets to rule over some ethnic Russians in territory that has been Russia for centuries until the fall of the USSR. And does Ukraine remain neutral, or does it join a hostile and aggressive military bloc, NATO, which is dedicated to the destruction of Russia.

Yancey Ward said...

This classic Bich:

"He started the talks by agreeing to key Russian demands, such as that Ukraine will have to cede territory. You couldn’t imagine a weaker negotiating tactic."

There is no reality- literally no reality- where Ukraine gets any of the territory the Russians have taken without having to fight to get it back. If the starting point of negotiating a settlement to this war is not recognizing this reality, then there really is nothing to negotiate and we can just dispense with talking altogether.

Yancey Ward said...

Seriously, you either fight and defeat Putin's armed forces to get the territory back or you concede it in a settlement of some sort, however, there is nothing to discuss if you choose the former.

Rabel said...

As you read through the article the gist of it goes from "If peace comes, Putin could face the ire of his most hard-line backers?" to "“If Putin, our commander in chief, tomorrow announces that the war must end, we will accept it, of course with a broken heart, but we will accept it, and the war will stop,” and "The majority of Russians remain indifferent, and ready to support whatever Putin decides."

Achilles said...

Yancey Ward said...
This classic Bich:

"He started the talks by agreeing to key Russian demands, such as that Ukraine will have to cede territory. You couldn’t imagine a weaker negotiating tactic."

There is no reality- literally no reality- where Ukraine gets any of the territory the Russians have taken without having to fight to get it back. If the starting point of negotiating a settlement to this war is not recognizing this reality, then there really is nothing to negotiate and we can just dispense with talking altogether.

And that is why the war would never end with Biden/Zelensky in power.

When the war ends there will be elections in Ukraine and Zelensky will lose badly. Particularly if you count the areas currently occupied by Russia. These areas voted for the political parties Zelensky jailed and exiled from the country.

Once there is new leadership in Ukraine the investigations into the Biden/Ukrainian Oligarch corruption start.

Trump is just bringing this inevitable outcome sooner. The Neocons will kill every Ukrainian alive to cover up their war profiteering and blood money.

Kakistocracy said...

Putin's game is to say "no" and wait for Trump to give him everything else he wants.

Jaq said...

Instead of repeating your talking points over an over, Rich, you could simply push back on substance, you could answer these questions, for instance.

—Where is NATO going to get the weapons to retake the territory?
—Where is Ukraine going to get the soldiers?
—Why is the US fighting a war on Russia's border?
—How are we going to win this war without pushing a nuclear superpower into a corner where they either capitulate to the US or use their nukes according to their established doctrine?

Or you could bring up any other relevant facts you think support your position.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and Russia had backed a coup in Quebec, and was sending arms to them to fight to wipe out the English speakers in the Eastern Townships, who had held out against the Russian backed coup for 11 years? What would the US position be?

Jaq said...

Those just seem like some questions that we should have answers to if we are going to risk a nuclear war over borders within the former USSR.

Achilles said...

Kakistocracy said...
Putin's game is to say "no" and wait for Trump to give him everything else he wants.

Rich is always going to act in bad faith.

He cannot honestly say what he supports or accurately cite past history because it makes him look like a dishonest bloodthirsty war profiteer.

In the words of James Baker: "Not one inch to the East." right Rich?

Rich and the Neocons have absolutely no good faith in this discussion. Not one inch.

effinayright said...

I want this war to end as much as anyone, but I'm wondering out loud whether frequent claims---that 1 million-2 million people have died since it began in Feb 2022---have any basis.

That's roughly a thousand days ago, meaning that an average 1,000 to 2,000 people would have to have been killed or wounded EACH AND EVERY DAY of the war. Thankfully, there's no way that's true.

Jimmy said...

There are no good guys in this war. Both sides are dictatorships. Trump seems to be the only one who realizes this fact. He wants to stop a senseless war, put an end to the destruction and death.
The left is against him, because he is Trump. the right is against him for the same reason.
The war, as with the wars in the middle east, were very good for neocons and leftists. they made huge profits, from corruption and arms sales.
so, should we wait until Russia runs out of bodies to throw into battle? according to many pro war people, its only a matter of months, or days or hours until Putin runs out of Armor, guns, bullets, or bodies. No one mentions that Ukraine is in the same spot.
enough death for nothing. Everyones dirty here, including America. Trump is trying to end it, while also trying to put Putin and europe in their place.

Narr said...

One thing is for sure--there are an awful lot of suckers and losers caught up in this one.

paminwi said...

Anyone who thinks Putin will give up what territory he has already won is not dealing with reality.

boatbuilder said...

So the "ultranationalists" are upset about the possibility of peace. Does this mean that Putin gets a smaller percentage of votes?
I don't see a coup happening any time soon.

Josephbleau said...

The air was let out of Ukraine by the EU. When it said it was going to pass a 10 year one trillion euro plan to save Ukraine when what Ukraine needs is weapons only the US has. Is Ukraine supposed to wait 2 years for Europe to spin up artillery shell factories?

It’s amazing how the EU still makes big words when all they do is show how incapable they are.

Big Mike said...

@Acbilles (11:53), sorry old friend. The article is behind a paywall for me and I made an assumption. Except for the US after Pearl Harbor, it’s pretty rare that people who are gung ho about a war actually risk their own lives.

Dr Weevil said...

Jimmy (3:33pm):
"[A]ccording to many pro war people, its only a matter of months, or days or hours until Putin runs out of Armor, guns, bullets, or bodies. No one mentions that Ukraine is in the same spot."

It is a fact, proven by hundreds of easily-found videos on Twitter, many of them from Russian sources, that the Russians are sending men into battle on crutches, on mopeds, on golf carts, in civilian cars and vans. They are retrieving the dead - when they bother at all - on wheelbarrows. They are supplying their troops with donkeys and horses. The Ukrainians, being adequately equipped with vehicles and unmutilated soldiers, are not doing any of this. Ukraine is not in fact "in the same spot".

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