March 23, 2025

Festivities of whiteness.


Contemplating the meaning of whiteness, I reread Chapter 42 of "Moby Dick," "The Whiteness of the Whale." Help me answer the question as asked by Herman Melville: Why does whiteness symbolize "spiritual things" and also work as an "intensifying agent in things the most appalling to mankind"?
Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way? Or is it, that as in essence whiteness is not so much a colour as the visible absence of colour; and at the same time the concrete of all colours; is it for these reasons that there is such a dumb blankness, full of meaning, in a wide landscape of snows—a colourless, all-colour of atheism from which we shrink? 

91 comments:

Wilbur said...

This movie is the latest version of Bud Light.
Leftists continue to FAFO.

rhhardin said...

White means basic literacy and no good at basketball.

Trollinator1000 said...

Are they dancing or doing group calisthenics? I’m already annoyed and I haven’t even seen the movie.

Ann Althouse said...

Here's a Grok summary of the plot of the new "Snow White" movie: https://x.com/i/grok/share/WYNaXx8tCAsTdreBiYxY986Qk

What's going on in that very white scene? Grok explains: "In the final scene of the 2025 live-action "Snow White," where everyone is dressed in white and dancing as white fluff falls, the kingdom is celebrating Snow White’s coronation and victory over the evil Queen. This moment symbolizes a fresh start and purity after the tyranny of the Queen’s reign. The white attire reflects unity, peace, and the restoration of justice under Snow White’s rule, echoing the values of kindness and fairness she embodies, as highlighted by the Magic Mirror. The falling "white fluff" is likely meant to evoke snow, tying back to Snow White’s origin story of surviving a snowstorm—a poetic nod to her resilience and the cleansing of the kingdom’s past. The dance is a joyous communal act, marking the beginning of her reign alongside Jonathan, now her husband, and the dwarfs who helped her triumph. It’s a visually striking, symbolic close to her journey from fugitive to queen."

Ann Althouse said...

Other questions I asked Grok:

1. Does Snow White become the new queen or is this somehow a democracy?

2. Why is Disney teaching kids that monarchy is wonderful?

gilbar said...

IF Snow "white" actually led a people's rebellion that overthrew an Evil Monarchy..
WHY did they Not create a Republican Democracy?
WHY did they just coronate the Evil Queens step daughter?
because her DAD was the former KING?
hello? can anyone spell patriarchy?
OUST SNOWWHITE! OUST the Royalty! Power To The PEOPLE!

gilbar said...

sometimes, i wish i could type faster! or at least more eloquently

Ann Althouse said...

If it's all just about getting a GOOD monarch, then those criticisms of Trump for acting like (and even saying) he's King are meaningless to anyone who loves Trump. They've got their good monarch and they can dance around joyously, celebrating their good King.

Ann Althouse said...

@gilbar

The Queen grants you full credit for perceiving the problem she pointed out while you were typing.

Ann Althouse said...

@gilbar

The Queen grants you full credit for perceiving the problem she pointed out while you were typing.

R C Belaire said...

Ahab/Melville : This is what happens when you're obsessed with a white whale. White, white, white, ..., arrrgh!

Olson Johnson is right! said...

Most scripture use of white refers to garments and robes symbolizing sinlessness and unstained holiness.
Brides wear virginal white, (or decreet ivory)
I don't see much writing that uses white to show things "most appalling to mankind , perhaps white as bones, or white hot fire, or auburn tresses now turned white with age.
Melville is correct white is the absence of color. A purity symbol yes, but a frozen purity, and even the shadow has limited power against white.

Iman said...

Thar she blows!

Kevin said...

Or is it, that as in essence whiteness is not so much a colour as the visible absence of colour; and at the same time the concrete of all colours

Whiteness on a spectrum: you know it when you see it? Or does Ketanji Brown Jackson need to consult an interior decorator to know what it is?

Iman said...

Winnow dat Minnow of a Movie.

The Vault Dweller said...

I suppose Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan could be a great white whale too.

Kevin said...

If it's all just about getting a GOOD monarch

Yes, you see it clearly. That’s why JFK is their greatest loss, Obama their greatest disappointment, and Hillary was never getting elected.

rhhardin said...

One waitress to another on learning she's getting married again, "You're not going to wear white, are you?"

rehajm said...

Benevolent dictator is really the best form of government…

Deep State Reformer said...

Excessive noodling over Cultural Marxist CRT is one of the main reasons people have such contempt for modern academia. And that contempt very well-earned in my humble opinion too.

rehajm said...

Democracy is great until one side decides they have a mandate to raid the treasury and bankrupt, imprison and/or execute their opponents…

rehajm said...

Honey, we all deserve to wear white

Iman said...

Jack LaLanne’s River Dance.

Howard said...

This scene is what Gaza is going to be like after Trump's redevelopment.

rhhardin said...

candour: "openness of mind, impartiality, frankness, freedom from reserve or disguise," c. 1600, from Latin candor "purity, openness," originally "whiteness, brightness, radiance," from candere "to shine, to be white" (from PIE root *kand- "to shine"). It was borrowed earlier in English (c. 1500) in the Latin literal sense of "extreme whiteness."

baghdadbob said...

The Unbearable Whiteness of Being.

Milwaukie guy said...

"The Unbearable Whiteness of Being." The answer to why Portlandia is so weird.

Christopher B said...

Lotta thinness in those two scenes, as well (holding over from yesterday)

Wince said...

The film makers seemingly chose a song with no discernible beat to advance the theme that white is the color of dancing in the absence of rhythm?

Olson Johnson is right! said...

Kevin="Whiteness on a spectrum" But it isn't really is it? I don't think white is in the rainbow or in the prism. Maybe color wheel theory has it opposite of chroma or something. Point being white is above and separate from color. Low pigment individuals should refer to themselves as 'pinks' Or in AP style "Pinks".

RAH said...

Hmm. I never saw Diddy white parties since I never followed him. Very similar. I think that last dance scene in Snow White is horrible.

As to monarchy it has some very good qualities. A logical system of succession and if good monarch then can train the next to be decent. British monarchs has some very good monarchs and some not so good. They produced Common law which is the basis of our justice system. Regrettably the last good monarch was Elizabeth II. They were very aware that only with popular support do they get to keep their heads. Many of their relatives in other countries did not , including the Russia czar and his family .That made a lasting impression.

Ann Althouse said...

"I don't see much writing that uses white to show things "most appalling to mankind , perhaps white as bones, or white hot fire, or auburn tresses now turned white with age."

Well, you really need to read all of Chapter 42 then. The link on the book title takes you to the full text.

Sample:

"[Y[et for all these accumulated associations, with whatever is sweet, and honorable, and sublime, there yet lurks an elusive something in the innermost idea of this hue, which strikes more of panic to the soul than that redness which affrights in blood. This elusive quality it is, which causes the thought of whiteness, when divorced from more kindly associations, and coupled with any object terrible in itself, to heighten that terror to the furthest bounds. Witness the white bear of the poles, and the white shark of the tropics; what but their smooth, flaky whiteness makes them the transcendent horrors they are? That ghastly whiteness it is which imparts such an abhorrent mildness, even more loathsome than terrific, to the dumb gloating of their aspect. So that not the fierce-fanged tiger in his heraldic coat can so stagger courage as the white-shrouded bear or shark."

RNB said...

rhhardin: "White means basic literacy and no good at basketball." But can they jump?

gspencer said...

1. White
2. Is
3. Better

Prof. M. Drout said...

Design

I found a dimpled spider, fat and white,
On a white heal-all, holding up a moth
Like a white piece of rigid satin cloth--
Assorted characters of death and blight
Mixed ready to begin the morning right,
Like the ingredients of a witches' broth--
A snow-drop spider, a flower like a froth,
And dead wings carried like a paper kite.

What had that flower to do with being white,
The wayside blue and innocent heal-all?
What brought the kindred spider to that height,
Then steered the white moth thither in the night?
What but design of darkness to appall?--
If design govern in a thing so small.

——Robert Frost

Peachy said...

Anti-Capitalists who are mega capitalists... make me ... ill.

planetgeo said...

For Herman Melville's information, as well as those commenters who keep referring to the color white as "the absence of color", you should note that quite contrary, white is the MOST colored color of them all. Its hexadecimal code is #FFFFFF, and its RGB code is RGB(255,355,255) on the max end of both scales. At the other end of the spectrum, the color black is #000000 and RGB(0,0,0).

Thus, white people are (sorry, BLM), the most colored people of all. And Snow White was born as the most colored little girl of all. And Moby Dick was the most colored whale of all. Which now finally explains why he was hunted so obsessively.

planetgeo said...

...RGB(255,255,255)...

gilbar said...

planetgeo said...
"white is the MOST colored color of them all. Its hexadecimal code is #FFFFFF, and its RGB code is RGB(255,355,255) on the max end of both scales. "


"White!" [Saruman] sneered. "It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken."
"In which case it is no longer white," said [Gandalf]. "And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."

Prof. M. Drout said...

planetgeo: "And Moby Dick was the most colored whale of all. Which now finally explains why he was hunted so obsessively."

The whale that Melville got the name from was actually called Mocha Dick, but Mocha Dick WAS albino, so the point still stands as long as albinism ("absence of pigment") doesn't preclude the whale being a Cetacean of Color.

Josephbleau said...

The end is just a standard Disney scene, like the fair in Mary Poppins, it has no more meaning than Rhein and Stimpy singing “Happy happy, joy joy.” It’s a message to the audience to put on your coat.

JAORE said...

White "...symbolizes a fresh start and purity ... reflects unity, peace, and the restoration of justice ... [and] the values of kindness and fairness..."
My oh my, Grok is SOOOOooooo racist.

Big Mike said...

rhhardin said...

White means basic literacy and no good at basketball.


Mr. Hardin, may I introduce you to Larry Bird?

Big Mike said...

I could only get my description of the “Snow White” ending scene down to six words:

I threw up in my mouth.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Yes white light contains all the colors of the rainbow, obviously because a rainbow is just sunlight passing through the prism of a raindrop. Don’t confuse the physics of Light with the physics of pigment. They are very different things. And it is true black which has been difficult for Man to reproduce with pigment.

Re white as an ideal in the Bible. Probably the most common usage is in describing the sacrificial lamb, where the phrase “white as snow” originated. Unblemished. Fresh snow is obviously implied, because it’s whitest.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

“Nature paints with Light while man tries to reproduce what he sees with pigments.”

Barry Sullivan said...

Ku Klux Klambake.

My word, socialists are so racist.

RCOCEAN II said...

Pure as the driven snow. The White Knight. Whiter than white (laundry detergent slogan).

Melville's point is interesting, the most horrific predators are often white: Polor Bears, Sharks, and Tigers. And there whiteness makes them more scary because they are evil clothed in whiteness.

BTW, looking at those photos, black people really look good in white.

n.n said...

White holes are creative phenomenon. Black holes... whores h/t NAACP are destructive phenomena that leave impoverished environments in their woke.

RCOCEAN II said...

Ghosts are white. Not sure why, but it probably denotes other worldlieness.

Tina Trent said...

It looks like a bunch of Colonian natives performing for the Queen. In 1950.

Some things maybe shouldn't be changed. My realtor had to change my house description from "master's suite" to "owner's suite." To me, the latter actually draws attention to and sounds even more racist, which has also been said to her by some of her minority clients.

MadisonMan said...

It does look like some kind of 1993 outdoor aerobics session.

RCOCEAN II said...

Snow White was a cash grab by the Trump-hating Anti-American Billionaires and Multi-Millionaires that run Disney. Thankfully, its tanking at the box office.

Lem Vibe Banditory said...

"I don't see much writing that uses white to show things "most appalling to mankind..."

A gay friend loved using the word 'appalling' comically.

Rocco said...

Honey, we all deserve to wear white

Except after Labor Day.

David53 said...

White smiling bangers.

Kakistocracy said...

The origins of the Snow White story is found in the Brothers Grimm, where Snow White's mother (who died, leaving her with her wicked stepmother) sits sewing at a window during winter, and she pricks her finger. She then wishes that she has a daughter with skin as white as snow, lips as red as the drops of blood that she had spilt, and hair as black as the window ledge that she was sitting by. So we have black hair, pale skin and red lips. How is it so difficult to see that Snow White could come from any of a number of different societies from around the world? And like so many of the stories collected by the Brothers Grimm, there are echoes of Snow White in Southern European, Middle Eastern, Chinese and Indian cultures and stories. The story is transmutable. It has changed and evolved over time. I can't see any reason for making a fuss about this.

Lazarus said...

Jumping jerks.

narciso said...
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Ice Nine said...

>"Describe the ending scene of the new Snow White movie in three words or less"<

We Warned You

narciso said...

Why do they strive so hard to push an unpalatable product, a somewhat talented but repulsive star, other players who did not bring their all, the nightmarish dwarfs, the bad cgi, they just want to burn money,

The Drill SGT said...

White is Right!

alternately

White Power People!

Achilles said...

stupid cringy people

Lazarus said...

In fact and in fiction, the whiteness of polar or alpine settings is associated with annihilation -- loss of self, and loss of life. When everything around you is white, it's hard to know where you are -- and it becomes hard to understand much of anything.

That arctic whiteness also represents the journey into the unknown, both unknown regions of the earth and unknown regions of the psyche. Frankenstein draws to a close in the Arctic with the doctor pursuing his creature through the polar waste. When Melville was writing Moby Dick, the world was beginning to wonder what had happened to Sir John Franklin's expedition to the arctic.

Then there is "deathly pallor" ...

Achilles said...

unending meme fodder

Dagwood said...

Nowadays the white whales are all obsessed with the captain. Nadler, Pritzker,....

Megaera3 said...

Lazarus: consider also "a leper white as snow" or the term 'whited sepulchre" (long out of use but still striking).

mccullough said...

Judge Holden was a 7-foot Albino.

Rusty said...

Wasn't the whale that sunk the whaling ship, "Essex" white?
The story that "Moby Dick" was based on.

minnesota farm guy said...

Deserves horrific reviews!

FullMoon said...

"RAH said...
Hmm. I never saw Diddy white parties since I never followed him. Very similar. I think that last dance scene in Snow White is horrible."

Read several negative reviews on leaning right sites. Had no prior interest, but after that dance scene, am thinking the movie may be one of those "so bad, it's good".

Joe Bar said...

44% on Rotten Tomatoes.
2.2/10 on IMDB
Rachel Zegler identifies as Hispanic, not White.

John J said...

Responding to waitress joke earlier, I remembered a joke from President Reagan about a brides choice of white after several marriages. Turning to Grok, I made several requests and got the run around. I finally entered search Youtube for Reagan's last joke.

Reagan’s Last Joke about Democratic Party SHORTS
Uploaded on July 21, 2024, by a channel called "History Retold," this 48-second clip comes from Reagan’s final public speech on February 3, 1994, at a gala for his 83rd birthday. The joke ties back to your bridal shop scenario: "A woman walked into a bridal shop and told the clerk she was getting married again and wanted a white dress. The clerk said, ‘But you’ve been married before.’ ‘Yes,’ she replied, ‘but my first husband was killed in a car wreck before we consummated the marriage, and my last husband was a Democrat—he sat on the edge of the bed for four years telling me how good it was going to be!’" Reagan delivers it with his trademark chuckle, and the crowd eats it up. This was months before his Alzheimer’s announcement in November 1994, making it one of his last recorded public quips.

I like Grok but I wonder if it has been trained on "Uncle Willy's Wiz Bang Joke Book". Maybe if it spent a few weeks in grammar school...

Disparity of Cult said...

@Tina Trent - "Primary suite" is also now in use.

Richard Dolan said...

The Black and White ball was better, all things considered.

wildswan said...

A Robert Frost poem on design.

Design

I found a dimpled spider, fat and white,
On a white heal-all, holding up a moth
Like a white piece of rigid satin cloth--
Assorted characters of death and blight
Mixed ready to begin the morning right,
Like the ingredients of a witches' broth--
A snow-drop spider, a flower like a froth,
And dead wings carried like a paper kite.
What had that flower to do with being white,
The wayside blue and innocent heal-all?
What brought the kindred spider to that height,
Then steered the white moth thither in the night?
What but design of darkness to appal?--
If design govern in a thing so small.

A white spider is sitting on a white heal-all flower. Those flowers are usually blue. And the spider is eating a white moth. How did these particular white insects and plants, none of which are usually white, all come together? It must be part of God'plan, says atheist Frost. And we can see the plan was a design of darkness to appall. Unless there is no design. And no God.
I suppose my comment is that part of the strangeness of the whale is its being the wrong color just like the spider, the heal-all and the moth. And then there is a strength and aggressiveness. And the captain goes mad. It's great story but whiteness isn't the only element.
Similarly the original Snow White was filled with color but neo-Snow White is not akthough it is supposed to be diverse. Strange.
I found the desert quite scary, far more scary than snow in Wisconsin which there is too much of but otherwise it OK. But the desert had no life - no green, no little animals, no birds, no water; grey thorns, dusty rocks, blazing sun. And I think of neo-Snow White as a desert denizen for I've heard that neo-Snow White was fairest of them all because she paid good wages, according to the mirror. And she didn't need no stinkin' prince.

BudBrown said...

They dumped on Oz when it appeared. They made fun of Dorothy. There 's a billion kids out there could love this movie.

Original Mike said...

Snow White is supposed to be so bad, it makes me curious to see it.

BUMBLE BEE said...
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BUMBLE BEE said...

The Snow White Crew is doin the Tampon Timmy Two Step!
Shake It Up!

Anthony said...

Nothing I'm ever going to see; this scene looks kind of dopey. (Okay, there's my three words: Kind Of Dopey). The Drinker thought Zegler did a wonderful job with the part, and in that scene she does look rather adorably joyous.

Tina Trent said...

Thanks, Disparity of Cult. I will pass this tip on to my realtor. It's a DEI mess out there in realtor world. Perfect example of how the plague is spreading. Maybe they should focus more on how many female relators have special codes and other things to ensure their safety because so many of them are targeted by predators pretending to be clients. My realtor takes self defense, prepares for attacks, and carefully maps ou escape routes for every house she shows. But, hell, it's just women. Who cares? The hate crimes cabal? I have a file on female realtors assaulted and killed.

PM said...

Like it. It's monodramatic

Tina Trent said...

The only victims of real lynching today are women.

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