March 3, 2025

A staggering scene unfurled before the lenses of the entire world....

I'm reading "France’s prime minister tears into Trump’s attack on Zelenskyy as a staggering show of 'brutality'" (AP), which quotes French Prime Minister François Bayrou"
"On Friday night, in the Oval Office of the White House, a staggering scene unfurled before the lenses of the entire world, marked by brutality, a desire to humiliate, with the goal of making Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy fold through threats. President Zelenskyy did not fold and I think we can show him our appreciation."

Meanwhile, at The Washington Post, "Washington now ‘largely aligns’ with Moscow’s vision, Kremlin says/Tension between the United States and Ukraine, laid bare in the Oval Office meeting of Trump and Zelensky, is seen in Moscow as a 'gift.'"

Former president Dmitry Medvedev gloated over the “proper slap down” of “the insolent pig” Zelensky, and Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova marveled at Trump and Vance’s “restraint” in not punching him in the face. Zelensky’s “outrageously boorish behavior,” she wrote, “confirmed that he is the most dangerous threat to the world community.”

The meeting fit Russia’s narrative perfectly, Konstantin Remchukov, the well-connected editor of Nezavisimaya Gazeta, told The Washington Post. “We don’t even have to step in — we can just retransmit what the Americans are saying,” Remchukov said. He noted that Putin had “smartly” withheld comment on the meeting, and could afford to stay silent for now. “The public will conclude that our leaders were correct in their assessment of Zelensky as a leader of Ukraine,” Remchukov said. “This is a huge gift for them.”

And I've been watching this:

84 comments:

Jupiter said...

"President Zelenskyy did not fold and I think we can show him our appreciation."
Indeed. Open the little, wooden box. There it is, on it's little, red, satin pillow. Take it out! Pin it on his chest! Ouch!

rhhardin said...

Everything is common interests and Trump is the expert on discovering them.

A deal is where both sides come out ahead.

Ukraine has not been forgotten but is not running this stage of the deal.

Jupiter said...

The EU is run by Left Fascists. They were Biden's allies. Biden is gone. Soon, they will be gone. Adios, Left Fascists.

Peachy said...

Zelensky is now saying the war with Russia is very very far from an end.
this is the left talking thru him. He is just another puppet of the corrupt left. So sad.
WWIII is upon us.

Peachy said...

Zelensky and his leftist puppets want war.
It's just that simple.

I'd like to know how much money US Senator Chris Murphy(D) makes in kick-backs?

mindnumbrobot said...

Seems to me there are only three players involved with how things play out: Russia, the United States, and Ukraine. Without the United States involved, Europe is irrelevant in these matters.

Peachy said...

The leftist media have their coordinated talking points down.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

So many are so wrong.

Gusty Winds said...

Zelensky now says he will resign in exchange for NATO membership. Tell me this asshole doesn't want to start WWIII. If Ukraine joins NATO, the US should pull out. We should pull out of NATO either way.

BTW. Are "I stand with Ukraine" libs also anti-ceasefire? Zelensky doesn't want the bullets to stop flying.

rhhardin said...

The disagreement is over how much you can get by continuing to fight - minus the cost of continuing to fight - , versus how much you get if you stop now. Z thinks he comes out ahead fighting, which Trump will revise downwards. When both sides are ahead by stopping, they stop. That's where Trump comes in.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Here's a cut and paste link to David Sachs (of the All In podcast) who has IMO a more sensible take on why Z doesn't want peace.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/david-sachs-on-zelenskys-incentives.php

Peachy said...

EU - 'the threat of PEACE! scares them.'

Well - there you have it.

rhhardin said...

Unfurling reminds me of Lileks characterization of women's porn - the guy doesn't unfurl his manhood until page 160.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Sach's points 2 and five are especially apt, I'd say:

2) The gravy train will end. Ukraine was widely acknowledged as the most corrupt country in Europe before the war, and there is abundant evidence that Ukrainian elites have been hugely profiting from the billions in Western aid. If the war ends, so does the gravy train. A post-war audit of where the money went would also be disastrous for Zelensky’s supporters.

Aggie said...

I'm waiting for the 51 former intelligence assets to weigh in. They may not have security clearances, but they still have the phone numbers - don't they, Ms. Nuland?

David53 said...

If that’s all it takes to stagger France then Ukraine is doomed. They better sign whatever deal Trump offers them or find some new allies who understand what real brutality is like.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

And, Accords of which I was unaware:

5) History will judge him harshly. Zelensky could have accepted a draft peace deal signed in the first month of the war, the Istanbul Accords, under which Ukraine would have kept all of its territory in exchange for neutrality. A deal now will likely be modeled on Istanbul but require Ukraine to recognize realities on the ground (i.e., loss of territory). Acknowledging that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have died only to get a worse deal may be too bitter a pill for Zelensky to swallow, now or ever.

R C Belaire said...

In every war/conflict, there is one last person to die. Who, in Ukraine, wants to be that person?

TaeJohnDo said...

Here is a FB reply from a left leaning relative regarding what the US got out a continuation of the war in Ukraine: "the weapons we send give Americans good jobs. that's the payback!" No response when I replied to her: "I was just wondering what people's commitments are to Ukraine. Apparently yours is to allow the Ukrainian and Russian people to die in droves for American jobs. I am sure the men and women dying in that war appreciate your callous viewpoint on their deaths."

Yancey Ward said...

Reality is that thing that does not disappear if you do not believe in it. The reality Ukraine was fucked the moment this war started and nothing short of NATO putting troops and aircraft to fight the Russian forces directly is going to change that. All we in the west have done and are prepared to do is fight to the last Ukrainian since we never were going to commit troops and air support for the simple reason that nuclear annihilation simply is not worth saving the Ukrainian government. And is is the Ukrainian government that the dying soldiers in Ukraine are fighting to save.

What NATO has done to date is morally reprehensible. Note the Zelensky supporters in this thread- not a one of them will state boldly that they support NATO fighting on the battlefield. They have all the courage of the Monday morning quarterback.

Aggie said...

" Zelensky could have accepted a draft peace deal signed in the first month of the war, the Istanbul Accords....."

Is this the deal the Boris Johnson shuttled over to talk him out of? What I remember was a peace deal, early on, that would look good right now, under present circumstances - but he was told by 'the West' to keep fighting, and given the means to do so.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Confused by not finding more info I asked Grok, and this is the response:

The "Istanbul Accords" is not an official term for a signed treaty but rather a colloquial reference to a draft framework that emerged from peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in Istanbul, Turkey, on March 29, 2022, about a month after Russia’s full-scale invasion began. These talks produced the "Istanbul Communiqué," a document outlining tentative terms discussed by the delegations. According to reports from the time and subsequent analyses, the key points included:
Ukraine adopting a neutral status, forgoing NATO membership, and limiting its military forces.

Russia potentially withdrawing to pre-invasion lines (as of February 23, 2022), retaining control over Crimea and parts of Donbas.

Security guarantees for Ukraine from multiple countries, including the U.S., UK, France, and others, though the specifics were vague and contested.

Peachy said...

I think the corrupt American mob left have the EU by the short hairs.
That's ho the corrupt American left operate. oh and FU obama.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Yes Aggie I believe so, with help from USAID and Vicky Nuland.

s'opihjerdt said...

I'm old enough to remember when war was not healthy for children and other living things.

Drago said...

"President Zelenskyy did not fold and I think we can show him our appreciation."

Show your appreciation by immediately kicking in a gift of $50Billion Euros and commit 1 fully equipped fully capable combat division on the ground in Ukraine. This should include supporting arms of at least 1 full combat ready airwing and at least 1 carrier group with submarine support to the Black Sea.

Let me know what that happens.

Peachy said...

I'm half way thru listening.
Very interesting! - Thank you for posting, Ann.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Oh man, Grok says we are "seizing on" Boris's roll, but:

Arakhamia said Johnson told Zelenskyy, “We shouldn’t sign anything with them at all—let’s just fight.” This has been seized on...

loudogblog said...

TaeJohnDo said...
"Here is a FB reply..."

So far this year I have been unfriended by 6 people on facebook and blocked by 2 people because of political comments I've made.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I think Stephen Hayward at PowerLine got professor Sach's first name wrong.

Iman said...

Some see efforts to interfere in U.S. foreign policy by Rice/Obama/various other shitbirds as sedition.

loudogblog said...

And I didn't even vote for Trump. I'm just pointing out that the Democrats are digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole.

Peachy said...

The collective left think you can end a war with Russia without talking to Russia.
Not they they want an end to the war- they do not.

Jupiter said...

"If Ukraine joins NATO, the US should pull out."
NATO members are required to defend each other from attacks by any non-member. Which means that allowing Ukraine to join NATO is declaring war on Russia. VOZ certainly knows this, and is well aware that it is not going to happen. So, when he says he will do X for NATO membership, he is saying he will not do X.

Peachy said...

He notes what we note - If anyone dare push back on the chosen narratives - you are instantly labeled by the corrupt left as a "Putinist."

Drago said...

Weevil: "nd that when they resume the war at a time of their choosing, they will attack not only Ukraine but Poland, the Baltics, or both, bomb Germany, and so on?"

So, the russia you continually tell us is losing this war and is doing human meat wave attacks with garden tools and have to remove their wounded by wheelbarrow and are getting crushed by sanctions and have a nation just waiting to splinter and is running out of men faster than Ukraine and has no effective Navy any longer and whose air force is pathetic is also simultaneously so very very very powerful that they are going to sweep across Europe and NATO nations!

LOL

The same old story as Iraq and Afghanistan: victory is at hand! It's just around the corner! Just another trillion dollars and 3 more divisions for just another year long surge.....or maybe 2 more years and 1.5 Trillion more dollars and a 4th division or so, that's the ticket. And then democracy will be protected and we won't have to fight Al Qaeda here!

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you. Try and fool me 3 times and 4 times and n times, stuff it.

RCOCEAN II said...

What a drama queen. And who cares that Trump's position aligns with Russia or not. Saying that is just a roundabout smear. Its like the journalists always prompting Trump to trash putin.

Dumb and childish. Perhaps the Frenchmen is an Ukrainian asset. No?

Peachy said...

Considering Zelenski's lies - and double cross - I doubt very much that Zelensky would resign as promised.
his NATO deal would of course be considered an act of War by Russia.
Zelensky has already revealed his hand - by stating the war is far from over.
Did Rice, Nuland or Obama tell him to say that?

Peachy said...

Collective Left Childish Narrative: 'If you want to end the war - YOU ARE A PUTINIST! '

Jupiter said...

You know, Europe had a good long run. A couple of millennia, pretty near. They have always had wars, but they have gotten worse and worse. And it appears that European "statesmen" start wars in order to maintain their own, internal power, even when the result is devastating to their countries. They have now embarked upon a pointless slaughter against Russia, at the same time moving to replace their traditional population with unproductive foreign criminals. Maybe Europe is past its pull date.

Peachy said...

"Normal Prudent Statecraft" --- something the left is missing.

because war pays... corrupt leftists in America.

Peachy said...

btw - communication and diplomacy is the name of the game here. not politics. (according to Sachs.)
Wow - what a concept?

Jupiter said...

Or maybe it's just the European "elites" who are past their pull dates. They are destroying their economies with their idiotic Green BS, even though they know perfectly well that it is utterly pointless to reduce Europe's carbon emissions so long as China and India have zero interest in reducing theirs. They pretend to be deathly afraid of Putin, but not scared enough to actually buy a gun. Poland's Tusk put it very well; Why are 500 million Europeans asking 300 million Americans to protect them from 140 million Russians?

Drago said...

"Why are 500 million Europeans asking 300 million Americans to protect them from 140 million Russians?"

Because the US "elites" have been rewarding such requests and playing the American people as complete suckers for 70 years.

chuck said...

Well, France. France wants to be important, it isn't.

Peachy said...

wow - keep listening to the whole thing.
who knew Boris Johnson f***ed the Chicken?
I didn't.

Peachy said...

27:30 mark.

"UK calling for the outright confiscation of Russian assets."

Another move - to keep the war rolling.
Incredible.

Peachy said...

You know who else likes to sacrifice everyone else - for their lust for crime and power?
Soros family.
A passing thought from me - not found in that video.

Jupiter said...

Interesting article at Revolver, about why Lindsey Graham went from encouraging Zelensky to calling for Ukrainian elections in about an hour and a half.

Lewis said...

I really could not come to an opinion on the war and what happened at the White House last week because I felt that I hadn't done my homework to the point where I could have a reasonable understanding of what really had been going on over there. That video sure cleared things up for me.

I was leaning towards give peace a chance. Now I'm solidly on the peace train. Nothing else makes any sense.

Peachy said...

Getting on the Peace Train makes everyone a PUTINIST!

So sayeth the religious cult war machine. $$$$$$$$$

Gusty Winds said...

President Zelenskyy did not fold and I think we can show him our appreciation. I would imagine once you blown Zelensky you're pretty embarrassed watching two REAL MEN refuse to go down on the guy. Hopefully very soon Europe and Canadian leaders are free to fellate Zelensky with their own money and military equipment.

Gusty Winds said...

Drago said So, the russia you continually tell us is losing this war and is doing human meat wave attacks with garden tools and have to remove their wounded by wheelbarrow and are getting crushed by sanctions and have a nation just waiting to splinter and is running out of men faster than Ukraine and has no effective Navy any longer and whose air force is pathetic is also simultaneously so very very very powerful that they are going to sweep across Europe and NATO nations!

Exactly. Russia not only lacks the conventional power to invade Europe, they are not interested in doing it. It's just more Russia left wing boogeyman bullshit like "they interfered in our election."

Sheridan said...

Current Europeans strike me as pre-WW1 Europeans (minus the fancy uniforms) again stumbling into a world war that should never have happened. Jupiter is correct. Thank God we have Trump and not Wilson leading our country.

Narayanan said...

Trump predicted this makes great television
France concur and confer cachet

Dr Weevil said...

If anyone sees this before it disappears, can you inform the others that I have plenty to say, but the stupid software is deleting all my comments? Thanks.

tommyesq said...

Macron screams that world leader was wrong to scream at lesser world leader.

MadisonMan said...

I'm waiting for other countries to supply Ukraine with money and arms. Trudeau says he stands behind Ukraine. Put Canada's money where your mouth his.

Thomas said...

The quote from John Bolton, “America gets treated like the unpopular person who brings cocaine to the party,” was made during an interview in 2018. Bolton was speaking about the United States' international standing and how the Trump administration’s foreign policy was viewed by allies and adversaries. The context of the quote reflects Bolton's frustration with how the U.S. was seen by other nations after withdrawing from agreements and creating uncertainty around its global commitments, such as pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, the Paris climate agreement, and other multilateral efforts.

In this analogy, Bolton was suggesting that America was like the unpopular partygoer who causes trouble or creates discomfort at a gathering (like someone bringing cocaine), even though their presence may be necessary or impactful. The “cocaine” part of the metaphor represented the controversial, disruptive, or highly polarizing actions of the Trump administration, and how, while America was a major global power, its actions were alienating or putting it at odds with traditional allies. In essence, Bolton was emphasizing that while the U.S. might still be a powerful and influential player, its international reputation was damaged due to the unpredictable nature of the administration's foreign policy moves.

Fred Drinkwater said...

Is it still "burying the lede" if the lede is in the second phrase of the first sentence?
"before the lenses of the entire world"

Gerda Sprinchorn said...

Matt Taibbi has a post about how U.S. money paid influencers to put out the party line on the Ukraine war.

Taibbi writes:

Following just this one group of contractors reveals the United States spent hundreds of millions of dollars on “social media influence” all over the world. In Ukraine, much of the money went to European middlemen who created dummy Internet personalities to sell the war. They put this in writing! Zinc was obligated $1.23 million from the State Department’s Office of Acquisition Management for two contracts, each of which would “identify, train, and engage 25 to 40 social media influencers” who’d “produce and publish their own social media content in line with U.S. Foreign policy objectives.”
Your tax dollars, turned into dummy social media accounts.
https://www.racket.news/p/farewell-to-volodymyr-zelensky-the?publication_id=1042&post_id=158193741&isFreemail=false&r=2ip4z2&triedRedirect=true

Did any of this money support commenters on this blog?

How widespread is this? Does money from say the DNC or RNC sponsor commenters on this blog?

Lance said...

Containing Russian aggression is "childish" and "mindless"?

Peachy said...

Lance - shutting off diplomacy and acting like high school mean grrrrl clicks, is mindless and childish.
Figure it out.

Marty said...

Taibbi begins his column today,

"From the BBC’s “Starmer gives Zelensky ‘full backing’ in warm No 10 welcome” today:

"'Sir Keir Starmer has told Volodymyr Zelensky he has "full backing across the United Kingdom" as the two met in Downing Street.

"'The Ukrainian president told the prime minister he was happy his country had “such friends” after arriving in the UK in the wake of a White House meeting with US President Donald Trump that descended into a row between the two leaders…'

"I read that headline as 'Starmer gives Zelensky ‘full backrub,’ which might have been more accurate."

'Nuff said.

Big Mike said...

BTW. Are "I stand with Ukraine" libs also anti-ceasefire? Zelensky doesn't want the bullets to stop flying.

@Gusty Winds, how many of the “I stand with Ukraine” libs have kids in the military? Do they have any skin in the game if Ukraine turns into yet another neverending war.

Drago said...

Weevil: "If anyone sees this before it disappears, can you inform the others that I have plenty to say, but the stupid software is deleting all my comments? Thanks."

Your comments are not being deleted, but for some reason, and it happens to all of us, some comments (for some algorithmic reason, gets shunted off to a hold file which Althouse must go in and release, after which it can be seen.

Happens all the time. I've made it a point not to repeat a comment when it gets temporarily disappeared, though its irritating when you want to respond in a timely manner to other comments.

Hassayamper said...

The globalist/socialist governments of Western Europe are much more of a threat to our peace and freedom and prosperity than Russia. We should not miss any opportunity to undermine them. I propose a new $1000 bill to facilitate tax evasion and drain the high-tax leftist government scum of revenue.

J Scott said...

"America gets treated like the unpopular person who brings cocaine to the party"
Based on your analysis, you are going to the wrong parties.

Dr Weevil said...

I am of course well aware that "it happens to all of us", which is why I blamed "the stupid software", not the proprietors. A comment that has been "shunted off to a hold file" might as well have been deleted, for all practical purposes, and only a pedant would pretend otherwise.

Now let's see if my second comment on this thread will stay up when reposted. Here it is:

- - - - - - - - -

The comment 'Dragoboob' (still too stupid to understand a simple tit-for-tat) is replying to at 12:23pm has somehow been deleted. Let's hope it reappears at some point, since I didn't make a copy, thinking this site had stopped doing that.

Of course I don't think Russia can succeed in conquering Poland and the Baltics, just that hundreds of thousands more - most of them Russians - will die if they try, and that a nuclear World War III is far more likely if they're not stopped in Ukraine. Is that really so hard to understand? And that the longer it takes for Ukraine to defeat Russia, the more likely Russia is to collapse into a chaotic mass of nuclear-armed warlord states, so that Biden's, and now Trump's, failure to arm Ukraine sufficiently will lead to the very thing they're trying so hard to avoid.

Of course, my main point in the deleted post is that a ceasefire is not 'peace' and that peace is in fact impossible without a Ukrainian victory. Such a victory requires no allied troops in Ukraine, or carrier group in the Black Sea, or anything like that. All they need is four things. Two of them will cost less than nothing: a few hundred F-16 and M-1 tanks, which we have lined up in the desert, and would cost less to ship to Ukraine than it will cost to dispose of them according to EPA standards. The third thing would cost a few billion: more Patriot missiles to stop the nightly slaughter of Ukrainian civilians by Russian war criminals. And the fourth will soon be supplied by Germany: Taurus missiles that have the range and power to take out the Kerch bridge. That’s all they need to win, and win soon, putting an end to the slaughter by driving the slaughterers back across the border. Zelenskyy seems to think that if he hands over a huge slice of Ukraine’s mineral wealth to the US, he should get some weapons in return. It’s a reasonable expectation.

Hassayamper said...

In this analogy, Bolton was suggesting that America was like the unpopular partygoer who causes trouble or creates discomfort at a gathering (like someone bringing cocaine), even though their presence may be necessary or impactful. The “cocaine” part of the metaphor represented the controversial, disruptive, or highly polarizing actions of the Trump administration, and how, while America was a major global power, its actions were alienating or putting it at odds with traditional allies.

I don't think you understood his point at all. Someone who brings lots of cocaine to a party will suddenly find many new friends, even if he was previously unpopular for some reason. These new friends will be two-faced backstabbers and say awful things behind his back, but as long as the cocaine is flowing freely up peoples' noses, everyone wants him around and will behave like jovial old chums top his face.

Hassayamper said...

[*everyone wants him around and will behave like jovial old chums TO his face.]

OldManRick said...

The Cold War was over in 1991 - (Thanks to Reagan and Bush). The current EU heads of state need to stop fighting it. The Warsaw pact no longer exists, Russia cannot overrun Europe.

Some history for those who forgot it.

"Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990."

See and read - https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

In 1994, Clinton broke that promise and signed of on the NATO enlargement to the east.
In 1999: The Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland join NATO
In 2004: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia join NATO
In 2007: Putin complains about the eastward expansion of NATO
In 2008: Talk starts about adding Georgia and the Ukraine. A month after the talks start Putin invades Georgia
In 2009: Albania and Croatia join NATO.
In 2017: Montenegro joins NATO.
In 2017: Montenegro joins NATO
In 2020: North Macedonia joins NATO
In 2021: Russia invades Ukraine (lots of other background to this is ignored)
In 2023: Finland joins NATO
2024: Sweden joins NATO

Look Russia is not a sparking example of virtue but they have been very upset by the expansion of NATO for 30 years. The talk of Georgia may have lead to a war BEFORE they were able to join. The talk of Ukraine would also be in impetus to war.

If Canada, Mexico, and all the Caribbean Island would have join the Warsaw Pact, the US would have shit bricks. Think of the Cuban Missile crisis on steroids. We need to get out of this Cold War mentality. After WWII, we made Japan, Germany, and Italy our allies. After the Cold War, we should have gone to pains to integrate Russia into the European homogeny instead of continuing to make them the boogie man.

Since we didn't do it then we are paying for it now.



Josephbleau said...

(I posted on the wrong thread, so a repeat)

The EU response is typical for them, insult America again and demand our money and blood. After reflecting on the events of this affair my prior is that the the EU is looking for a hat trick, they want Russia completely destroyed with US blood so they can turn the pieces into a resource colony for their enjoyment. That is their historical MO.

In that process they want the US bloodied with no weapon stockpiles so that China can severely damage the US, including killings of US citizens on a Ukrainelike scale.

Last, they will build power based on Russian oil and minerals to counter China into a bi polar world while still thinking they can insult the shattered US into providing human cannon fodder to kill Chinese.

I think that about sums it up. It is perfectly obvious that the EU has:

1. Absolutely no respect for the US and places no value on the lives of US citizens.

2. Has no use for democracy and wants to rule as tyrants.

3. Has an insanely demonic sense of entitlement and feels the world is obligated to serve them alone.

4. Will never fight a war that results in the possibility of casualties to European young people.

This I believe, it sounds crazy, but a nation must respect the worst case threat.

Gusty Winds said...

Big Mike said..
@Gusty Winds, how many of the “I stand with Ukraine” libs have kids in the military? Do they have any skin in the game if Ukraine turns into yet another neverending war

Big Mike. I would bet the number is ZERO. You can see similarities between "standing with Ukraine" and "stay home, save lives." Neither require real personal risk or sacrifice. Both actually require the virtue signaling supporter to do NOTHING except feel good about themselves and their fake moral superiority.

narciso said...

https://www.steynonline.com/15081/give-war-a-chance

planetgeo said...

1. "Continuing the war" has a zero chance of ending successfully (i.e., Ukraine/NATO/USA defeat Russia). Why? No matter how much money/tactical (non-nuclear) arms you give to Ukraine, the war will continue only until Russia decides to end it with THEIR nukes (on Ukraine first, but then on anyone else who brought them to that point). Russia has already warned about that possibility. Do you feel lucky?
2) Regarding the question of whether we are now on Russia's side or Ukraine's side, Trump gave the 100% correct answer: we are ONLY on our own country's side in trying to successfully mediate this conflict, and do it in a manner that doesn't suck our troops into it. We may feel that Ukraine was unjustly attacked and has our empathy and moral support (as well as billions in aid and advanced tactical arms), but we are the MEDIATOR/ARBITRATOR here, or trying to be. We can't perform that role by expressing publicly "whose side we're on". How hard is that to understand? You want Sweden or Switzerland to do that job as mediator? Fine. But we appear to be, actually no, TRUMP appears to be the only party Putin respects/fears enough to get it done.

These cheesy comments about Trump being a "coward" or a "Putin stooge" are incredibly stupid and juvenile taunts.

Iman said...

Vichy Swine

Dr Weevil said...

planetgeo:
"These cheesy comments about Trump being a 'coward' or a 'Putin stooge' are incredibly stupid and juvenile taunts."
Who are you talking about? Ctrl-F gives me no results for 'coward' or 'stooge' on this thread. Are you arguing with voices in our head?

chuck said...

Every time I listen to Sachs I'm annoyed by his conceit. He's not stupid, neither is Krugman, but neither seems to have a grasp of reality outside the left wing shoe box they live in.

Summary: Not as smart as he thinks he is.

planetgeo said...

Dr Weevil, apparently you don't follow the news much. There have been numerous such comments by Democrats, MSM commentators, and EU politicians.

Here's one link for you from Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) on CNN:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/a-coward-who-is-vladimir-putin-s-puppet-rep-moulton-on-trump-s-meeting-with-zelensky/vi-AA1A0zRu?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Dr Weevil said...

No, I don't follow the MSM. And when I'm in a blog comment section, I expect "These cheesy comments" to refer to the comments I'm reading. That's what "These" implies.

Gusty Winds said...

"I want all of those young people to stop being killed." - President Trump today.

Can somebody explain what is wrong with that goal? Remember when the libtards all said Trump would START WWIII? Now they hate him for trying to prevent it.

Libs don't know what they want. They only know what they don't want, and that is all things anti-Trump. Even war. No wonder their ideology is dominated by white women.

Currently they are against weeding out waste and corruption in our Federal gov't, and the continuation of a war, where people they 'support' but do not know die by the thousands.

Sheridan said...

Planetgeo - Seth Moulton served honorably in the military just as JD Vance served honorably. But when Moulton described Vance as a "pogue" Moulton exposed himself as a REMF. I met many REMFs when I served. Moulton is dead to me and a few other veterans I would guess.

Dagwood said...

And here I thought the French would empathize with those who fold.

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