ROGAN: The real kooky people probably think you're my handler or something. Because you created podcasting. Because there's that thought that... there's a whole financed and backed right-wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts.... This is just stupidity. This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well that applies to all things.... There's actually some things that are organic for some weird reason.
Notice that the use of "organic" is the same as we saw — in the first post of the day — from the Canada hockey coach. The fighting was, he claimed, "as organic as it gets."
Back to Rogan and Adam Curry:
CURRY: The first thing [we heard] after the election is we needed Joe Rogan on the left. We needed Joe Rogan. Well, You know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left. But you were so crazy that Joe started to think, right, you know,
ROGAN: They didn't want me. That was the thing... But... that's all the psyop working against them because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them and it would be effective and they could just remove you from the airwaves... because you're not playing by the rules. But now people go, oh, you know what? I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth. Let's stop listening to them. And so then CNN crashes, and then faith in mainstream media crashes and faith in podcast rises.
CURRY: I think what we'll see though is, and it may come from YouTube, we'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left.
ROGAN: Oh, they're already definitely doing that thing.... I don't care who gives a fuck? Let them try. All right. But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic.... You hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying. You know, whether or not that's right. You know, I'm wrong all the time. You might not agree with me, that's all great, but I'm not gonna lie. And that's the difference. And a lot of these people are just propagandists and they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side, which instantaneously, I know now you're propagandizing....
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Propaganda is incomplete and/or inaccurate information used to influence people's thoughts or actions. It is quite common (advertising is the most prominent example), and it not a compliment by the propagandist to the intellect of the target audience.
Rogan's freewheeling and relatively unstructured podcasts avoid propaganda by being conducted by Rogan in good faith, and by having so much time that the propagandist who relies on incompleteness will be unmasked.
Kamala Harris couldn't go on Joe Rogan and couldn't be interviewed in an unfiltered way by 60 Minutes because her vacuity and dishonesty would reveal themselves. Her propaganda message, like Joe Biden's, was dependent upon hiding from the public.
The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.
-- Democratic Analyst and Expert on Messaging
So ... the things that are organic for some reason aren't food? Deceptive headline.
If you believe that Abstract Expressionism and Laurel Canyon were CIA ops, aren't you sort of honor bound to suspect that podcasting and Joe Rogan are also a conspiracy? And MTV ... especially MTV.
The first rule of Financed and Backed Right-Wing Ecosystem Club is you don't talk about Financed and Backed Right-Wing Ecosystem Club.
Adam Curry does a twice weekly podcast with John C Dvorak called No Agenda. I've been listening faithfully for 17 years now. I hightly recommend
www.noagendashow.com
John Henry
Also worth mentioning is that Don Gregg seems to be Adam Curry's favorite uncle. Gregg spent his life in OSS and CIA at pretty high levels.
Gregg's memoir Potshards is pretty interesting read.
John Henry
Some things may seem organic/special because we have been primed to believe we need permission for everything.
A carboniferous conspiracy. Sequester the thought.
I remember when some big time newspaper columnist and TV talking head back in the '90s was demanding to know who financed the Drudge Report. I am kind of curious who financed buying it and turning it left. My guess is it was "private investors" funneling USAID money, though. I don't think that anybody has ever reported who bought it, but we see that Soros had his hand in disbursing USAID funds.
I’m impressed by the general popularity of podcasting. It’s like the old radio days. Time to bring back the Lone Ranger and Cisco Kid radio shows.
"Propaganda is incomplete and/or inaccurate information used to influence people's thoughts or actions."
That doesn't cover all of it, it is also true and complete information that you don't want your own people to know. This is actually included in some definitions of "disinformation." So if somebody says you are parroting "____" talking points, they don't need to prove that what you are saying is false, it's still that party's propaganda. You see that kind of "parroting" accusation all the time.
I have been listening to exactly one podcast for the past three years, and don't listen to the news. I think that JD Vance might listen to it based on his recent speeches, or Mercouris is just saying stuff obvious to people with access to the big picture. Alex was so proud one day when RFK Jr gave him a shout out, it put him in good stead with his wife, who is a huge RFK Jr fan, so I think that he gets a listen in the highest circles, and in fact Trump is following the advice that he had been giving for at least a year, maybe longer, that Europe and Ukraine would be determined to torpedo any peace talks, and they should be kept out of it until Trump and Putin have worked out the issues between the two parties, Russia and the US, who actually have "agency" in world affairs. He strongly disagrees with Trump on Taiwan and Gaza, but if you are mystified by Trump's actions in Ukraine, you might listen to this guy, but turn up the playback speed.
https://theduran.com/eu-uk-leaders-tantrum-paris-summit-falls-apart-lavrov-rubio-plan-summit-zelensky-gatecrash-fails/
You don't have to agree with it, or with me, for that matter, but obviously the people who really matter have adopted this point of view.
@JohnHenry In the morning.
There is so much contrived bullshit that is presented to us as 'expert' opinion, or as thoughts from a serious thinker, or literally an entire industry (press/media) using the same phrasing/same words to denounce something or create the impression it's misinformation, when we all know it's perfectly true. Such as Hunter's laptop being declared Russian disinformation by all media and through expert signed letters...when everybody including any random 13 year old on the street could have told you it was real.
My point is that, after years of an overwhelming amount of contrived bullshit, we can smell the real thing vs the cow manure. The left trying to 'create' a Joe Rogan will end up looking and sounding like Tom Hanks reading that awful script on SNL's 50th anniversary of their tanking.
Fireside rapping.
Organic is authentic. The Dems still haven't come clean on why they opened the floodgates on illegal immigration.
Air America part two
Listening or watching Joe Rogan is like listening and watching to Jesse Watters, a waste of time and brain cells. Both idiots... Remember a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm confident that Margaret Brennan will not be the Joe Rogan of the Left.
That's Sir John of the Zika to you, Jaime.
And a hearty Por la mañana backatcha!
John Henry
Whoa, Victoria! Read the room! 15 year-old mean girl comments don't really fit in on this blog.
"victoria said...
Listening or watching Joe Rogan is like listening and watching to Jesse Watters, a waste of time and brain cells. Both idiots... Remember a broken clock is right twice a day."
You battin' zero so far, but you still have some hours left.
Maybe Monica Lewinsky will be organic. Her podcast premiers tomorrow, where she will attempt to "Reclaim" parts of her life.
Democrats are sequestering the carbon and burying the lede, but people aren't so green, once, shame on you, twice, shame on me.
"you might listen to this guy, but turn up the playback speed."
This is my issue with podcasts, and with a lot of videos, too. I have a job, and a house to maintain, and I'm writing a book. I don't have hours and hours to listen to a couple stoners dorm-rooming, even if somewhere around 2:35:27 one of them says something profound. I've tried listening while I do something else, but the something else always turns out to be more interesting. Maybe if I drove a lot.
No mentions of the Great Rushbo yet.
He didn't use the term organic, but he explained his success was due to- not expressing just his own thought on the radio, but expressing the thoughts of his listeners whose thoughts were suppressed everywhere else.
Saw an article just a few moments ago that the far right is overwhelmingly winning with >50% of the youth vote in the mock elections being held in Germany ahead of the actual election. Organic. They can see the ruination looming ahead of them if they stay on the path their on.
Organic was a very rare word outside of the confines of the hard sciences, usually chemistry, until it was co-opted by the post-war urban non-conformists, those dablers in whatever useless drivel that runs counter to the American middle-class work ethic, as a rough synonym for natural, healthy, or nutritious. Whether that was as recent as the hippie movement or its beatnik progenitor (I favor the latter) both appropriated the dogmas of the despotic 19th-century quack, John Harvey Kellogg, and known to the author and his followers as "biologic living". The beatniks substituted organic for Kellogg's biologic, but meant precisely the same thing.
As for Rogan's use of organic and its use by that Canadian hockey coach, both would have been better served by spontaneous in its sense of unpremeditated, autonomous, happening without any apparent external cause. I find it a highly regrettable usage of a word that ought to be confined to bonding characteristics of the carbon atom. How ironic that carbon has become a byword for unholy in the mouths of the people using organic as if it meant sacred.
“As for Rogan's use of organic and its use by that Canadian hockey coach, both would have been better served by spontaneous in its sense of unpremeditated, autonomous, happening without any apparent external cause.”
I think you’re basically right about Rogan’s use of the work organic. I think he’s saying it happened naturally, evolving over time as he adapted to changing technology and audience base. When the Democrats attempt to set up their own version, it’ll be planned, centrally managed, heavily promoted, and most likely a flop like when they tried to take on Rush Limbaugh.
What they mean when they say 'We need a Joe Rogan' is they need someone who will be able to sell their lies, someone who will con voters into believing them again. You know, like it's 2016...
The left's stuff is certainly organic...
Saw an article just a few moments ago that the far right is overwhelmingly winning with >50% of the youth vote in the mock elections being held in Germany ahead of the actual election. Organic. They can see the ruination looming ahead of them if they stay on the path their on.
And so, at least according to Mike Benz's recent interview on Rogan's show, we can expect Internews or some other organization with funding from USAID or State or both to be involved in "curbing misinformation and disinformation" there.
A very frustrating interview, BTW, at least as far as I've gotten into it. Benz lays out a lot of USAID/CIA/State connections - or at least apparent connections, and presents the rationales for some of their ops (or "missions") in their own words, which, if you're inclined, you can take as I did - as confessions shrouded in Orwellian language.
But if you're NOT inclined, you could also see these rationales as simply heavy-handed and ill-advised attempts to "spread democracy." Or, once they got permission to use these same tactics against US citizens during the Obama administration, to "save democracy."
Benz discusses another organization, OCCRP, dedicated to rooting out corruption in other countries via investigative journalism. I was disappointed that Rogan didn't ask the obvious follow-up question - is all the corruption, resulting in all the firings and policy changes and so on, somehow found to be on one side of a country's political aisle - the side that doesn't support a relationship with the US? Because - again, now that these same tactics can legally be used against US citizens to combat dis- and misinformation - wouldn't it be relevant to learn whether all the corruption and bad behavior exposed by USAID-funding-receiving news organizations happens to be on one side? Which of course it does. But the frustrating problem is that you can take that fact either way - that the investigators are at least only looking at one side of the aisle if not actively constructing stories about their political opponents, OR that all the corruption and bad behavior actually only happens on that one side.
Concerning the quest for a progressive Rogan... I'm envisioning a recruiting effort that involves assessment of a candidate's ethnicity, sex, gender presentation, sexual orientation, religiosity... followed by a series of focus groups... followed by a media full court press along the lines of "Joy!"
The US cares about corruption so much that we used USAID to put the Marcos family back in charge in the Philippines. As soon as we did, the Philippines booted out Chinese infrastructure projects and instead are installing US missiles aimed at China.
"Saw an article just a few moments ago that the far right is overwhelmingly winning with >50% of the youth vote..."
Not to worry, they will just ban the AfD for saying "Germany First," just like Hitler, same as they annulled the election in Romania for Putin interference, when all of the evidence turned up pointed to one of the established parties pushing a candidate to sap voters from their rival; sound familiar? And did you notice that Vance brought that up in his speech? He must have read me harping on that here for weeks. OK, prolly not, but the US press has been remarkably silent about that action Europe took "to protect our democracy."
The Lefts changing views on Joe Rogan:
July 6, 2022 - Centrist Joe Rogan refuses to have Trump on his podcast. The Left applauds.
October 2024 - Far-Right Joe Rogan interviews Trump. And asks fair questions. The Left attacks.
When the Left calls podcasting "Rightwing" they mean its allows voices that haven't been approved by them. The same was true of talk radio. Any avenue of communication that isn't 100 percent gatekeeped by Left is "Rightwing" in their eyes.
And as Rogan stated, if you refuse to follow the Leftwing party line on every issue, they consider you a "Rule breaker" and "Far Right".
As everyone has stated, when they say "We need our Joe Rogan" they mean someone who will toe the party line 100 percent. It has nothing to do with changing the Lefts agenda or allowing free speech.
Listening or watching Joe Rogan is like listening and watching to Jesse Watters, a waste of time and brain cells. Both idiots...
That's right, Vicki. It's everybody else who's stupid and icky.
Jaq, what is your evidence for saying that USAID was responsible for the election of Ferdinand Marcos son as President of The Philippines?
People know, generally, that they are being lied to. It's why the "Al Franken Show" the left started to compete with Rush Limbaugh was such a flop. The left who depend on propaganda and indoctrination honestly thought that Limbaugh was all propaganda and indoctrination. They never realized that Limbaugh had connected with the zeitgeist of the American middle and rather than exploit it gave it voice. The left never listened to the reason the people who listened to Limbaugh thought they way they did.
Victoria is a good example of this.
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