January 30, 2025

Trump press briefing, just now, on the air disaster.

 

Much of this was an attack on the FAA's diversity and inclusion hiring plan, "which says diversity is integral to achieving FAA's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel":
I don't think so I don't think so. I think it's just the opposite.... The FAA which is overseen by secretary Pete Buttigieg, a real winner. That's guy's a real winner. Do you know how badly everything's run since he's run the Department of Transportation. He's a disaster. He was a disaster as a mayor. He ran his city into the ground and he's a disaster now he's just got a good line of bullshit. The Department of Transportation, his government agency, charged with regulating civil aviation — well, he runs it, 45,000 people, and he's run it right into the ground with his diversity. So I had to say that it's terrible. Then it's a group within the FAA — another story — determined that the workforce was too white, that they had concerted efforts to get the administration to change that and to change it immediately. This was in the Obama Administration, just prior to my getting there.... they actually came out with a directive — too white — and we want the people that are competent, but now we mourn and we pray....

ADDED: This reminds me of the Trump we saw during the Covid crisis. He just keeps going and going, as if he were talking with his advisers in a private room. It's so unfiltered. It's good to get more access to the President and to hear his thoughts, but the crash just happened, so many people died, and so many people are sensitive about the problems related to diversity. Why be so raw? Is he choosing to do this to us or can he just not help it?

We had a situation where you had a helicopter that had the ability to stop. I have helicopters. You can stop a helicopter very quickly. It had the ability to go up or down. It had the ability to turn, and the turn it made was not the correct turn. Obviously, it did somewhat the opposite of what it was told. We don't know that that would have been the difference because the timing was so tight.... There was so little time to think, but what you did have is you had vision. The helicopter had vision of the plane. Because you had vision of it all the way — perfect vision of it all the way from at Kennedy Center where the tape was taken, and for some reason there weren't adjustments made. Again you could have slowed down the helicopter substantially. You could have stopped the helicopter. You could have gone up you could have gone down. You could have gone straight up, straight down, you could have turned, you could have done a million different maneuvers for some reason it just kept going and then made a slight turn at the very end and it was by that time it was too late. They shouldn't have been at the same height because if it wasn't the same height you could have gone under it or over it and nobody realized or they didn't say that it's at the same height, at the same height, would it, would still,  wouldn't have been great but you would have missed it by quite a bit. Could have been 1,000 feet higher. It could have been 200 feet lower but it was exactly at the same height and somebody should have been able to point that out. So all of this is going to be studied but it just seems to me from couple couple words that I like to use, the words "common sense.".... You had a confluence of of bad decisions that were made and you have people that lost their lives — violently lost their lives...."

UPDATE: "An internal report suggested that the controller on duty the night of the accident was doing a job usually handled by two people" (NYT). 

85 comments:

Leland said...

It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

Peachy said...

DEI kills.

RCOCEAN II said...

What a tragedy. The helicopter was certainly at fault. Whether the ATC was too, will be determined. The FAA is being sued for discrimination against white qualified applicants. See https://simpleflying.com/faa-air-traffic-controller-applicants-lawsuit/

RCOCEAN II said...

I love the DNC-MSM. Lets not ask the air collision, not the most important thing is debate Trump on DEI. Why he criticized Biden and Obama, that can not stand!

RCOCEAN II said...

I always thought ATC's were just ex-military, but it seems that was the "old days". Now, you go to college and get a degree. Anyway as late as 2013, it was mostly white guys. So of course that had to change. Glad Trump will do something about it. Lives are at risk, and its too important. The most talented must be hired. We can't let people die because white liberals want to feel good or hate white men.

Reddington said...

He can't help it. It's just stream of consciousness. The weave in action. But if you listen to it all and digest it, he's right on the ultimate points: it's a tragedy, regardless of "who" was on the flights; the helicopter and/or the ATC really messed up here; and because terrible, life taking accidents can happen we should always want the best people that are the best at their job

Two-eyed Jack said...

A showman who seems to think the show must go on and on and on.

Steven said...

DEI at the FAA is infamous among conservatives, especially their ridiculous questionaire about work history and interests.

But - I don't think this is ATC's fault here. It looks like the helicopter pilot was not looking at the correct plane. They were told to keep that plane in view and maintain a distance from it, acknowledged that they were told that, and then crashed into it anyway. Bad mistake. Saw on twitter that Hegseth said it was a helicopter pilot in training. Maybe they weren't ready for that exercise.

Peachy said...

Trump did a great hob. His focus was on compassion and love for the families who just had their lives ripped apart.

(Unlike Denver Mayor Johnston(D) - who spoke for 8 seconds - 8 seconds - -8 whole seconds - in a speach after 4 people were slashed by a crazy man with a knife (a crazy man who slipped thru the democrat run justice system) on the main walking mall in downtown Denver. Johnsston(D) launched into his political campaign ad- Just vile)

Christopher B said...

Ex-girlfriend had a son-in-law who became an ATC when there was that mass forced retirement awhile back. Not ex-military IIRC but white, male, college educated.

Christopher B said...

Some comments/reports I have seen indicated it was sub-optimal weather conditions as well as at night. I understand having to fly and needing to train in all sorts of weather but running a training flight in those conditions in congested airspace?

Original Mike said...

"diversity is integral to achieving FAA's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel"

That is an indefensible position.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Meritocracy today, meritocracy tomorrow, and meritocracy forever, and if that's wrong I don't want to be right.

mindnumbrobot said...

As I mentioned in this morning's thread on the crash, I'm not crazy about Trump speculating on the cause. Yes, DEI has no place in the FAA and military culture, but with the cause unknown at this point, interjecting it into the discussion seems misguided IMHO.

mindnumbrobot said...

I'd like the amend my above comment to DEI has no place in American culture, period.

n.n said...

Diversity is an umbrella concept for class-disordered ideologies. DEI is institutional, systemic racism, sexism, etc. Select people based on their qualification, and not their assignment to a color bloc.

TreeJoe said...

This is Trump far from his best.

It's a tragedy. Today is a day for mourning and for ensuring a proper investigation.

The end.

mccullough said...

Trump treats these press conferences like cocktail parties. I enjoy his casualness

Kakistocracy said...

Funny how there were no DEI crashes during the previous administration.

If DEI is to blame for the crash (common sense, says Trump) then should we feel any confidence to fly right now? Or did the Trump administration fix the DEI thing between last night and this morning?

Two-eyed Jack said...

I just realized that Althouse's headline could be repunctuated to "Trump press briefing just now: on-the-air disaster!" More clicks that way.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Training flight does not mean inexperienced pilots. Virtually every flight is used for some type of training.

William said...

Trump dropped the hammer on DEI awfully soon. Does he perhaps know something that cannot be revealed at this time? I guess we'll find out eventually, but, yeah, it does seem too soon to point in that direction. It might turn out that both the ATC and helicopter pilot were stright, white males. If that turns out to be the case, you can be sure that the MSM will do everything in their power to demonize them. But everyone in DC, including the reporters in that room, have a vested interest in DC air safety and a sincere effort will be made to ensure that this doesn't happen ever again.

Kate said...

Sean Duffy tossed into the deep end of the pool after two days on the job.

I'm a more circumspect person than Trump, so I don't particularly like when he emotes everywhere. However, someone needs to get angry at a tragedy like this, and he's the one. Next time, though, get Duffy in there and let him speak.

Aggie said...

I think the ex-military aspect may have came in when Reagan broke the ATC strike way back when, by firing all the strikers?

Aggie said...

Funny how some people think that the ship of state changes completely, overnight, hours after the inauguration, and that there are no legacies to the policies of previous administrations that remain essentially unchanged at the moment of the crisis.

Howard said...

Trump is making a fool of himself.

Dave Begley said...
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Dave Begley said...

As I wrote earlier, the FAA needs more air traffic controllers and modern safety equipment. Pete failed. He needs to appear before a Congressional investigation on this.
1/30/25, 12:48 PM

Kakistocracy said...

Random observation about Trump’s press conference and the coming NTSB.

Given the remarks from Trump — how confident can we be that the NTSB will be able to deliver an accurate and objective report?

Gilbert Pinfold said...

You know, the FAA 's civil rights head (a.k.a. DEI) is John P Benison, who is blind, gay, and albino (truly!). Here's an approving article: https://www.alumni.gwu.edu/alumnus-welcoming-campus-brought-new-perspectives

Leland said...

In regards to stopping a helicopter, a helicopter at that height and hovering is at an altitude too low to autorotate and the pilot doing so would be putting those onboard in jeopardy. Also, a helicopter hovering in that airspace can be just as dangerous as one maneuvering.

I understand Trump does Trump, and he is often good at it. I can't say a President shouldn't speak about tragedies like this, nor that waiting to speak would be better than speaking soon. However, as a person very interested in aviation and safety; I rather not put pressure on the investigators to make assumptions about what was the cause. Why I've mentioned in previous threads aspects of the crash; I'm already reading good comments elsewhere that we should stay away from just calling this human error before understanding all the factors involved.

Peachy said...

You are laughably dumb - Religious Democrat Loyalist

Kakistocracy said...

The popular term is "The Swiss Cheese Model". Accidents happen when all the holes line up.

n.n said...

The irony of Diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, class bigotry) is that under Critical [Class] Theories, and Affirmative Action, the probability of incompetence must be included as a probable factor. Diversity (e.g. DEI) is rhe proverbial edge of the double-edged scalpel that threatens forward-looking viability.

James K said...

Trump is properly raising larger systemic problems that need to be addressed to help prevent the next tragedy. I didn't hear him explicitly blame DEI for this accident. He said things like "We'll get to the bottom of it."

Mark said...

Why be so raw? Is he choosing to do this to us or can he just not help it?

Don't be so disingenuous. You knew Trump is an a**hole from the get go, and yet you pushed for him like he's this wonderful guy.

He could have been presidential in addressing this horrific tragedy. Instead, Trump chose to be Trump, the a**hole. What do you expect when he also tweets out hateful things about his opponents on Christmas and Easter.

Kakistocracy said...

"It is not standard to have aircraft collide. Let me be clear on that."

This is an actual quote from the new Transortation Secretary. 🤡

wendybar said...

Sit down. He can tweet out whatever he wants about the idiots who called him a RACIST Hitler for 8 years.

Gunner said...

I really hope he doesn't repeat his Covid performance.

Yancey Ward said...

I read commentary from a former ATC at the airport that, after listening to the exchange, claims it was the ATC's job to make sure that the helo's pilot was looking in the right direction and at the right airplane. He wrote that the description given to the helo pilot was not nearly precise enough to differentiate the two different planes that were in the helo's lines of sight.

Lilly, a dog said...

Before Trump went out to talk to the press, the little angel on his shoulder said, "Be presidential, and express condolences to the victims and their families. Do not make this about your..." At this point, the little devil on his other shoulder flew over and bonked the angel over the head with his pitchfork, and said, "Don't listen to him. Go out there and put on a show."

Dogma and Pony Show said...

I don't think Trump said anything inappropriate, but it's preposterous to suggest that professional crash investigators would conform their findings to anything he had to say about what he thought caused the crash.

Jupiter said...

It's worse than just DEI. They had a BS questionnaire they made up, to decide who they would hire. You didn't get any points for having military ATC experience. But one of the questions was "Which was your worst subject in college?". You got points if you answered "history/polisci". Now, that probably seems pretty damned stupid, but guess what? The people administering the test told the blacks to choose that answer. They didn't practice DEI, they practiced racial discrimination in hiring.

Dogma and Pony Show said...

I also don't see where Trump said that this particular crash happened because of the impact of DEI on ATC recruitment and training. This accident does, however, illustrate the importance of effective ATC operations in preventing air catastrophes, and therefore why recruitment and employment must be based solely on merit.

MadTownGuy said...

Here's an update from WTOP:
"WTOP Aviation Reporter Dan Ronan provided a partial reconstruction of the Wednesday events that led to the crash, based on initial flight maps and air traffic control audio:

5:18 p.m. — American Airlines Flight 5342, a CRJ 700, takes off from Wichita, Kansas, bound for Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
8:39:40 p.m. — Army UH-60 helicopter out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia, takes off on a training exercise with three people aboard, flying up the Potomac River from the area of Langley.
8:40 p.m. — Flight 5342 begins approaching Reagan National’s Runway 33 from the south of D.C.
8:48:38 p.m. — Air traffic control tower radios the U.S. Army UH-60 helicopter (PAT25) and asks, “Do you have the CRJ in sight?” The helicopter pilot confirms he sees the passenger plane and requests “visual separation” — confirming he is going to try to fly out of the plane’s path.
8:48:56 p.m. — Flight 5342 and the helicopter collide over the Potomac at an altitude of about 300 feet, as the plane was traveling about 145 mph, per the last recordings from FlightRadar24."

Enigma said...

History doesn't repeat but it rhymes. The fired ATCs rebelled against Reagan at the end of Cartermania. The ATCs were DEI-disasters at the end of Biden.

Enigma said...

This was a tough situation for training. Trainee helicopter pilot. Nighttime. Windy. Next to an airport runway. Many flight zones. Over a river. Next to a city. Near a highway bridge. Many lights in every direction. Many reflections off the water. Many audio commands. Possible ATC vagueness.

Leland said...

"The Swiss Cheese Model" is an older way of expressing the barrier weaknesses that lead to an event. I find Bowtie Models to be far superior, as it accounts for multiple causal factors and a variety of consequences. It is also better in analyzing barrier weaknesses before they happen, rather than after the event, which is when others employ The Swiss Cheese Model.

How is your sell of buggy whips coming?

Krumhorn said...

I suspect that Trump knows some facts about the ATC controller that we don't yet know. While the helicopter clearly ran into the AA plane while turning on to final, there is no excuse in Class B airspace for that helicopter to have not been under positive control of ATC. Nor is there any excuse for the controllers to have been so slow to avoid this entirely avoidable collision. This was caused by lamebrains, and that had better not have been the result of the FAA hiring practices.

- Krumhorn

Quaestor said...

The Biden diversity push included a focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities as ATCs. Recruiting the mad for such a high pressure job that if incorrectly done in the slightest detail can kill thousands is satanic.

If anything Trump understated the issue before us. And it's not just the FAA. Who was the pilot of that ill-fated Blackhawk? Was he or she a beneficiary of Biden's DEI policies in the Pentagon. Maybe. However, it certain that incompetence and psychological unfitness is currently embedded within our military forces. From the lowliest private to four-star careerists, they must be purged. We stand to lose everything if we fail.

rehajm said...

….this is what Democrats do. Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste is a liberal idea. I’m disappointed in the asymmetry of the criticism. I think less of you unless I could not think less less of you…

James K said...

Of course journalists are going to read into Trump's DEI comments whatever they can to make him look bad. I'm sure Trump knows this and doesn't care. Here's the WSJ for example (my emphasis): "President Trump implied a diversity push in the Federal Aviation Administration may have played a role in the crash, injecting a partisan note just moments after sounding a moment of unity and grieving.

Note the weasel words "implied" and "may have," followed by the unambiguous "injected."

rehajm said...

If the regional was being tracked by ARC at 300ft the plane was on final. It doesn’t take a team of experts to recognize the helicopter was not where it should have been…

Rick67 said...
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Rick67 said...

I voted for Trump. And am thrilled with what he's accomplished in just his first six days.

But for him to float the suggestion the crash has anything to do with Diversity-Equity-Inclusion is abysmally stupid. Let the investigation take its course. (I note James K's comment. He raises an excellent point. Did Trump in fact say this?)

A few years ago my brother (who works for Delta) said something that made an impression. "We haven't had a passenger jet crash in this country in more than twenty years. You know why? Because we learn from our mistakes. We find out what happened, what the problem was, and we make changes so that can't happen again".

walter said...

https://youtu.be/XMTMXbC0xOY?si=t6BDrp2newTALKOS

Enigma said...

Pete proved that a gay man with a retro style could be the face of the agency. He was not good at his job, but he lasted as a symbol. Sam Brinton proved even to Democrats that they could go toooooooooo far.

Baby steps. Baby steps. Baby brains. Baby steps.

rehajm said...

…you might be amazed how much damage a few stupid people can do to a functional enterprise…

Drago said...

"Whether the ATC was too, will be determined."

Almost by definition, the ATC will also be found to be partially at fault.

Drago said...

Rupar-ing in the morning, rupar-ing in the evening. Rupar-ing all day long!

Drago said...

"Funny how there were no DEI crashes during the previous administration."

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the US Navy, amongst other organizations, over the last several years!

Drago said...

The "joe biden is sharp as a tack" crew chimes in on "accuracy" and "objectivity"!

LOL

Greg The Class Traitor said...

It's good to get more access to the President and to hear his thoughts, but the crash just happened, so many people died, and so many people are sensitive about the problems related to diversity. Why be so raw?

Because "diversity" kills.

And if we can get the American people to understand that at a visceral level, then the Dems DEI racism and sexism will be killed for this generation

Drago said...

"Sit down. He can tweet out whatever he wants about the idiots who called him a RACIST Hitler for 8 years."

And foisted an entire russia russia russia collusion hoax onto the entire nation with lies and full weaponization of the federal government against domestic political opponents.

Drago said...

"I suspect that Trump knows some facts about the ATC controller that we don't yet know. While the helicopter clearly ran into the AA plane while turning on to final, there is no excuse in Class B airspace for that helicopter to have not been under positive control of ATC."

Correct.

For those with experience in this specific area, both points made above are absolutely correct.

Drago said...

Settle down Francis.

Narayanan said...

with inputs about flight paths of the plane and helicopter AI should be able to graphical model this tragedy = hope to see those soon

n.n said...

Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry) anywhere, is Diversity everywhere. Under Critical [Class] Theories, this must be considered a probable cause, a waste of resources, an unproductive pursuit... hoisted by their Fani with collateral damage.

Narayanan said...

was ice on Potomac sufficiently thick ? could helo have just set down instead?

Drago said...

Interesting:

"Air traffic control staffing at DC Airport was 'not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic' when an airplane and an army helicopter collided.

That is one of the findings of an internal preliminary Federal Aviation Administration safety report on Wednesday night's air disaster at Reagan National.

Chronic understaffing at air traffic control towers is nothing new, with only 19 employed at DC in 2023 - but the report found it complicated procedures that night."

DailyMail reports.

Let's see if this plays out as described...which would put in a spotlight the FAA's DEI programs and policies under biden that did indeed lead directly to shortstaffing at key operations locations because it was made quite clear that white males, who represent a large core base of potential ATC recruits, particularly military experienced individuals, were proportionally underrecruited and excluded.

If DailyMail is reporting this, Trump is likely already aware and knows this is heading in a particular direction.

We will see soon enough.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Per CNN normal ceiling in the area for helo traffic is 200 ft. Pilot was definitely not where he should have been. Question is did ATC know his altitude and why what no action taken prior to the crash to correct that.

Mason G said...

1. Something happens.
2. Trump comments on it.
3. Some people complain about his comments.

Or...

1. Something happens.
2. Trump doesn't comment on it.
3. Some people complain about his lack of comments.

Take your pick.

Iman said...

Tales of the Swiss Cheese Model from the execrable, Swiss Cheese Brained Kak.

Steven Wilson said...

I know invoking Biden's name is short hand for the previous administration and I hold no brief for Biden, but perhaps it's time to be more precise and attribute the decision making process to the Democrat party as a whole. Biden would have signed the order for his own execution, so I think we need an investigation of the decision making process in the previous administration. I don't recall a lot of pardons passed around for the those "invisible" people who were winding up the puppet they strutted (until he began to hobble) in front of us for the last four years.

I don't know if DEI is responsible for this tragedy but we do know that DEI has been responsible for a lot of the blundering going on and it would be nice to get to the root of it.

selfanalyst said...

Less than 20 years. Colgan Air Flight 3407, crashed on February 12, 2009, near Buffalo, New York.

Aggie said...

"This is an actual quote from the new Transortation Secretary. " I wonder how his spelling is.

Milwaukie guy said...

The ATC transmission "do you see the CRJ" and the accident were 18 seconds apart. [thanks MadTown] There was more than one flight in the air. I think the ATC should have said "Pull up! Collision course! Pull up!" There'd have been 15 seconds to increase altitude.

Drago said...

"In 2023, there were 503 air traffic control lapses categorized as “significant” – up 65% (!) from last year."

https://x.com/restoreorderusa/status/1884928143036764655?t=-KHbOwmDOwSjEjhTEUZs7A&s=19

Read the thread if you are so inclined.

Not to worry Abacus Boy LLR-democratical Rich. No ome expects you to educate yourself because, well, why would they?

It appears there may indeed be much along the DEI lines to explain critical shortages of qualified ATC's.

Quaestor said...

Kaka writes, "This is an actual quote from the new Transortation [sic] Secretary."

The Transportation Secretary needs to make everything abundantly clear to people like you, especially you who can't seem to manage simple tasks like spelling.

JAORE said...

Here is a test of Trump versus his predecessor (handlers). If after months a report is released that "mistakes were made" but not a single frikkin soul is specifically named and zero, zip, nada, punishment will be ordered for the unknown people that made the mistakes.
If all that comes true then, at least on this subject Trump will be like Biden's handlers.
I suspect that will not be the result.

Hey Skipper said...

But - I don't think this is ATC's fault here. It looks like the helicopter pilot was not looking at the correct plane.

As night, distance is very difficult to determine, which makes mis-identification easy. I have no idea why ATC didn't give the helo an avoidance vector well before the collision.

Hey Skipper said...

Funny how there were no DEI crashes during the previous administration.


You must have been asleep for the last several years — there have been a plethora of near disasters on or in the vicinity of airports.

lonejustice said...

Exactly. This is a time to show remorse and compassion for the victims and their families who are fellow Americans. Not a time to make unfounded allegations placing the blame on people because of their race or sex.

Levi Starks said...

If it turns out that neither of the pilots or air traffic controllers were white males its going to be very complex and difficult to place blame.

Drago said...

We will proceed immediately to the "what incident" mode of operations with story disappearing immediately as if it never existed.

We don't even chat about 2 assassination attempts against a republican candidate for President. Steve Scalise? Memory hole.

Trans killers? Soviet-style "media" disappearance-ing.