Opinion here.
Per curiam. Sotomayor concurs, but let's read the Gorsuch opinion, concurring:
We have had a fortnight to resolve, finally and on the merits, a major First Amendment dispute affecting more than 170 million Americans.... Given those conditions, I can sketch out only a few, and admittedly tentative, observations.
First, the Court rightly refrains from endorsing the government’s asserted interest in preventing “the covert manipulation of content” as a justification for the law before us. Brief for Respondent 37. One man’s “covert content manipulation” is another’s “editorial discretion.” Journalists, publishers, and speakers of all kinds routinely make less-than-transparent judgments about what stories to tell and how to tell them. Without question, the First Amendment has much to say about the right to make those choices. It makes no difference that Americans (like TikTok Inc. and many of its users) may wish to make decisions about what they say in concert with a foreign adversary.
“Those who won our independence” knew the vital importance of the “freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think,” as well as the dangers that come with repressing the free flow of ideas. Whitney v. California, 274 U. S. 357, 375 (1927) (Brandeis, J., concurring). They knew, too, that except in the most extreme situations, “the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones.” Ibid. Too often in recent years, the government has sought to censor disfavored speech online, as if the internet were somehow exempt from the full sweep of the First Amendment. See, e.g., Murthy v. Missouri, 603 U. S. 43, 76–78 (2024) (ALITO, J., dissenting). But even as times and technologies change, “the principle of the right to free speech is always the same.” Abrams v. United States, 250 U. S. 616, 628 (1919) (Holmes, J., dissenting).
Second, I am pleased that the Court declines to consider the classified evidence the government has submitted to us but shielded from petitioners and their counsel. Ante, at 13, n. 3. Efforts to inject secret evidence into judicial proceedings present obvious constitutional concerns.... [W]e have no business considering the government’s secret evidence here.
Third, I harbor serious reservations about whether the law before us is “content neutral” and thus escapes “strict scrutiny.”... More than that, while I do not doubt that the various “tiers of scrutiny” discussed in our case law— “rational basis, strict scrutiny, something(s) in between”— can help focus our analysis, I worry that litigation over them can sometimes take on a life of its own and do more to obscure than to clarify the ultimate constitutional questions. Riddle v. Hickenlooper, 742 F. 3d 922, 932 (CA10 2014) (Gorsuch, J., concurring).
Fourth, whatever the appropriate tier of scrutiny, I am persuaded that the law before us seeks to serve a compelling interest: preventing a foreign country, designated by Congress and the President as an adversary of our Nation, from harvesting vast troves of personal information about tens of millions of Americans. The record before us establishes that TikTok mines data both from TikTok users and about millions of others who do not consent to share their information....
Finally, the law before us also appears appropriately tailored to the problem it seeks to address. Without doubt, the remedy Congress and the President chose here is dramatic.... Whether this law will succeed in achieving its ends, I do not know. A determined foreign adversary may just seek to replace one lost surveillance application with another. As time passes and threats evolve, less dramatic and more effective solutions may emerge. Even what might happen next to TikTok remains unclear. See Tr. of Oral Arg. 146– 147. But the question we face today is not the law’s wisdom, only its constitutionality.
Given just a handful of days after oral argument to issue an opinion, I cannot profess the kind of certainty I would like to have about the arguments and record before us. All I can say is that, at this time and under these constraints, the problem appears real and the response to it not unconstitutional. As persuaded as I am of the wisdom of Justice Brandeis in Whitney and Justice Holmes in Abrams, their cases are not ours. See supra, at 2. Speaking with and in favor of a foreign adversary is one thing. Allowing a foreign adversary to spy on Americans is another.
From the Per Curiam opinion:
Data collection and analysis is a common practice in this digital age. But TikTok’s scale and susceptibility to foreign adversary control, together with the vast swaths of sensitive data the platform collects, justify differential treatment to address the Government’s national security concerns. A law targeting any other speaker would by necessity entail a distinct inquiry and separate considerations. On this understanding, we cannot accept petitioners’ call for strict scrutiny. No more than intermediate scrutiny is in order.
As applied to petitioners, the Act satisfies intermediate scrutiny. The challenged provisions further an important Government interest unrelated to the suppression of free expression and do not burden substantially more speech than necessary to further that interest. The Act’s prohibitions and divestiture requirement are designed to prevent China—a designated foreign adversary—from leveraging its control over ByteDance Ltd. to capture the personal data of U. S. TikTok users....
Father than meaningfully dispute the scope of the data TikTok collects or the ends to which it may be used, petitioners contest probability, asserting that it is “unlikely” that China would “compel TikTok to turn over user data for intelligence-gathering purposes, since China has more effective and efficient means of obtaining relevant information.” Brief for TikTok 50 (internal quotation marks omitted). In reviewing the constitutionality of the Act, however, we “must accord substantial deference to the predictive judgments of Congress.”...
The record before us adequately supports the conclusion that Congress would have passed the challenged provisions based on the data collection justification alone.... We are especially wary of parsing Congress’s motives on this record with regard to an Act passed with striking bipartisan support. See 170 Cong. Rec. H1170 (Mar. 13, 2024) (352–65); 170 Cong. Rec. S2992 (Apr. 23, 2024) (79–18)....
There is no doubt that, for more than 170 million Americans, TikTok offers a distinctive and expansive outlet for expression, means of engagement, and source of community. But Congress has determined that divestiture is necessary to address its well-supported national security concerns regarding TikTok’s data collection practices and relationship with a foreign adversary.....
So, in short: Deference to Congress.
50 comments:
No real surprise. I'm amazed that Drama queen Kavanaugh didn't write a separate opinion. Maybe he wrote the opinion. Also, its now official per the SCOTUS - China is a "foreign Adversary". And we cant let them "harvest personal data". Guess its OK for England or Israel to do that though. And Google and Facebook.
I think its pretty pathetic, but expecting the SCOTUS "Conservatives" to go against the Uniparty's cherished positions is unrealistic. They wouldn't have been picked and confirmed if they were true guardians of the 1st Admendment.
Somebody help me out here. The U.S. government sees a national security threat in a goofy app that amuses kids and bored adults but it's fine with buying and using Chinese-built smartphones, computers, communication/network devices, airplane parts, port management equipment, etc., as well as allowing hundreds of thousands Chinese students in our universities basically stealing all our most advanced research and development IP?
I'm happy the court pushed back against the Government and didn't consider secret evidence. I also like that in Gorsuch's opinion it focuses on spying and data collection, specifically noting that nonuser's information can be collected too. In my mind preventing the spying is the only possible justification for a ban like this. But what about other countries? The other Five Eyes countries absolutely spy on Americans, and they absolutely share that information with our own Government. And what about other companies collecting information. Big Data has been a thing for decades now. I still think I oppose the ban on Tik-Tok, but if there is a silver lining it is that China gets upset at having it's property taken from them. China needs a heavy dose of Tit-for-Tat so that they can perhaps reevaluate their own practices.
"The other Five Eyes countries absolutely spy on Americans, and they absolutely share that information with our own Government."
Some of its members, specifically the UK and Canada, are actively involved in influence operations that are outside the bounds of "sharing". If we're going to have a standard for foreign countries, it needs to be a consistent standard that applies to our supposed 'friends' as well as our supposed enemies.
You've been snoozing not newsing.
The cheerful globalism of 20 years ago has largely disappeared with both China and Russia.
Observe China's military encriclement of Taiwan and protests of US ships passing near Taiwan, China's many air bases built across the South China Sea in overtly stolen waters (e.g., e.g., 9-dash line vs. the Phillipines), China's use of Belt & Road funds to influence/bribe and extract/take resources all across the world, China's movements into Latin America, the USA's very aggressive efforts to ban DJI and other Chinese drones, the USA's effort to get rid of TP-Link routers and Internet devices, the effort to relocate TSMC assets out of Taiwan, the effort to move phone production out of CHina, the effort to produce more rare earth elements outside of China, etc.
Maybe one should look at this as the first in a series, establishing a trend.
Not to mention all those Chinese soldiers who have crossed the open border and are now in country.
Who lit the LA fires?
I'm surprised they didn't issue a stay to give themselves more time to consider and draft something on what Sotomayor rightly noted was a 1st amendment question in fact and not just on assumption. Biden administration rightly judged it prudent not to try to enforce the law immediately on a Sunday or public holiday.
Bob, Tim Dillon's podcast (starts at 06:15) had something just this Tuesday about this. Or as Elon put it, "incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage" (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1663015083738374146).
Thanks for posting Gorsuch's opinion.
He is impressive and measured.
I don't see how the 1st Amendment is implicated at all. The case isn't about TikTok per se (social media is not on trial), but about foreign ownership--the right of the government to limit the access foreign governments have to American information and assets. It should not be a close case.
Sounds like they anchored the finding to national security and not wanting to control speech in general. Nice to see a unanimous decision on a big case.
Consistency and hypocrisy are irrelevant considerations when it comes to foreign policy. There is absolutely no reason we can't demand someone else stop something we are doing and there is no reason why we have to treat different countries the same.
The only valid consideration is our interests and what serves them best.
It seems like there will always be some justification to censor the speech you disagree with.
Baron is going to save TikTok.
"prudent not to try to enforce the law immediately on a Sunday or public holiday."
But did not deem it prudent to write the law such that it didn't take effect on a Sunday or public holiday (or the days prior to a change in the Presidency - that was really a feature at the time, not a bug).
I second Tim's comment.
Reading the opinion, I learned something I didn't know about this Act. It does not "ban" TikTok absent a sale - instead it makes it illegal for U.S. companies to provide services (such as distribution) absent a sale. I know Biden has indicated that he will not seek to enforce before he leaves office, but if you are in internet service provider, would you leave it up and hope that he is being honest?
The unanimous decision means it's no longer Trump's problem to manage, and Congress also gets a pass. The Social Media landscape is littered with alternatives to Tik Tok - they're just not as much fun, or perhaps not as slick - addictive. But it's not Freedom of Speech that is under attack, and there is no constitutional right to Freedom of Preference.
If the only valid consideration is our interests, then "allies" that are running covert influence operations against the USA are not our "allies", and such activity should result in similar activity against them.
That what serves us best.
As l understand it the law empowered Biden to stay it 90 days but only if there were negotiations on a sale, which of course there were not. Trump says he can get them started, but getting the Singaporean CEO a good seat at the inauguration is not going to accomplish that. Maybe the PRC vice premier in attendance has authority.
Consistency and hypocrisy are irrelevant considerations when it comes to foreign policy.
I somewhat agree with this, but my worry is that there is no guarantee Government meddling in this area stays limited to the present justification. Once the opening exists it is easy to widen it more and more. And left wing judges have a habit of being easily persuadable to endorsing whatever policies a left wing administration is seeking at the moment. Rationales don't have to be correct to work. The whole point of the term "Hate Speech" is to provide an emotional rationale to justify censorship. I see no reason why "National Security' can't also be used in a similar manner.
"and such activity should result in similar activity against them."
You think we don't?
Thanks for that, Ride. That's similar to what I have been thinking since I read there were 2 guys riding around in LA on a motorbike lighting fires. Don't know if they were ever tracked down.
It would be a very simple and devastating terror attack. No guns, no explosives, no suicide needed. Very low risk. Very high return. A vulnerability assessed and exploited.
If no one takes credit or gives a political reason, is it even a terror attack? It would be closer to a military action, like an anti-morale raid against a civilian target or an attack on economic infrastructure.
I think we're going to see more of this in the near future, not just fires necessarily, but creative, ambiguous, destructive events.
@Bob Boyd: Undersea cables cost millions of dollars to install, but any random old ship can drag its anchor to cut them. Infrastructure is a very, very soft target. Consider to pre-9/11 air travel rules.
"Closed borders are RAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!"
Intermediate Scrutiny? These Robed Fools complicate everything. Congress has the power to ban foreign nationals from owning companies or properties in the US and can regulate ownership however it wants. If it wants to ban only Chinese Nationals, so be it.
Does anyone think the government would tell us if they caught a terrorist who lit fires in LA?
The purpose of Five Eyes is for us to do to each other what domestic law prevents us from doing to ourselves—and then everybody shares the results. It’s an end-run around domestic privacy legislation.
No, moron, Congress officially designated China as a "foreign adversary", and SCOTUS recognized it's not their business to get involved in deciding that
That fact that this law doesn't solve all problems doesn't mean we're not allowed to solve any problems
And CCP spying is a problem
If you have a problem with censoring the CCP, you are a worthless piece of shit
Yeah, what the hell is picking the last day of the outgoing administration all about? That can't be innocent.
"But the question we face today is not the law’s wisdom, only its constitutionality."
Today and every day. No legislation from the Bench, now or ever.
I haven't paid attention. So as a practical matter can Tik Tok be sold, the data mining continued and marketed clandestinely to the CCP and others?
So…I guess this means the ChiComs will have to stop influencing my vote by reading my grocery lists, or something. Whew…that’s such a relief. Now the SC can move on to other momentous issues, like whether an Easter Bunny can be displayed in a National Park.
These asides grate. Gorsuch is just as bad as the others with this Greek God attitude.
"You think we don't?"
I would assume we do, but I don't know for certain. I DO know for certain the UK, Canada, and Israel are engaged in covert operations against the us, so...
I pity the people who make their living creating content for TikTok. The time and expense of building a viewer base and producing videos is all -- what? -- gone? Congress removed some Americans' livelihoods without a nod. It's the equivalent of "learn to code".
That Tik Tok doesn't allow its users to save their own content and create their own archives is an indication of who they think has ownership of what is on the platform. Social media has been around for decades now, and people still struggle to understand that they are the product - not their creative output. Their creative output is just the free advertising that brings viewers to the product and creates new users. But this is the side argument that users keep pushing to the front of the line, as if their assertions are empowered to establish priority. It is not what the case was decided on.
yawn
Speaking of the First Amendment... jury just found in favor of Zachary Young.
TikTok isn't going anywhere.
Trump's calculus is almost certainly impacted by the fact that one of his major donors (Jeff Yass through Susquehanna International Group) has a substantial financial investment in the app. Presumably if there is a sale, it will be on terms that are acceptable to Yass, not on the basis of a forced liquidation.
The fact that Biden's ban was politically unpopular with his own base and loomed over the election was just one more unforced political blunder by Biden.
I wonder if the change in ownership of the platform, which the CCP is steadfastly refusing, is the mechanism whereby the USINT can gain access to at least see what data the CCP is stealing. Not a tech person or a social media user, so I don't know how this would be plumbed. But I think the intelligence warriors know they will never stop data from being collected. Right now my sense is they only know part of what is being collected, and their inability to see it all is leading them to assume the worst.
The CCP has said repeatedly that they're not relinquishing the source code, and since it's a government saying this and not a business concern, a different set of reasons would underpin this position.
Vice President
The bill that banned TikTok passed the House 352 - 65 and the Senate 79-18.
Biden didn't ban TikTok, we did, through our elected representatives.
It isn't so much the information it has collected in the course of their business but the *potential* for information that could be collected with nefarious modification of their app.
Presumably they pushed for the ban because they thought Bytedance would sell, probably to then-Biden ally Zuckerberg. The fact that Trump flipped pro-TikTok probably also influenced why the Biden people flipped anti.
"So, in short: Deference to Congress."
Also, in short: it's about data collection, not freedom of speech.
I'm not so sure about that. Trump did a 180 on the Tik-Tok ban because he senses how unpopular it is with lots of voters. Sure it was Biden who signed it into law, but he will be President when the impact is felt.
Trump's calculus is almost certainly impacted by the fact that one of his major donors (Jeff Yass through Susquehanna International Group) has a substantial financial investment in the app.
I doubt that has much of an impact if any. Trump doesn't need to run anymore. Donations are far far less important to him now than they ever were before. I think it is more likely that Trump sees how unpopular the Tik Tok ban will be and he doesn't want to catch the blame. So if he can't get the ban undone he is at least hoping people won't blame him as much when they see how he is currently working to get the ban undone, even if this is a 180 on his position from before.
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