We're trying to get the war stopped, that horrible war that's going on in Ukraine with Russia, Ukraine. We've got a little progress. It's a tough one. It's a nasty one. It's nasty. People are being killed at levels that nobody's ever seen. It's very level fields. And the only thing that stops a bullet is a body, a human body. And the number of soldiers that are being killed on both sides is astronomical. I've never seen anything like that. And rapidly. I get reports every week and it's not even… It's like just… They're going down. Nobody's seen anything like it. It's a very flat surface, a very flat land. That's why it's great farming land. It's the breadbasket for the world actually. But it's very flat and there's nothing to stop a bullet but a body. There's no protection, no nothing. And what's happening there is far worse than people are reporting for both sides.... And now you look at all those people are dead. All those cities are destroyed. It's nice to say they want their land back, but the cities are largely destroyed. They've left Kiev because probably maybe they want to use it or occupy it, but they haven't done it. They've done a lot of damage, but relatively compared to the other cities, very little. But many of those cities are gone. Those beautiful towers, those beautiful buildings that they had are now laying on their sides destroyed, totally destroyed. The turrets and all of the magnificent 1,000 year old, 2,000 year old structures that were very strong are blown to smithereens. You look at some of those cities and not one building standing. So when you say, take over the country, take over what? Take over what? That's a 100-year rebuild. Take 100 years to rebuild it and you can never have it the way it was. What a shame. It should have never happened. It would've never happened. If I were president, that war would've never happened.... Had President Obama drawn the line and where it meant something, you wouldn't have even had Russia there. But in the end, I never understood why Russia went there. They were not getting very much out of it. But now their time has taken up with Ukraine and we'd like to get them to stop on Ukraine, and Ukraine stop also. As you know, when I went to the cathedral, which is fantastic, the job that they've done in France and the job that Macron Emmanuel did a… He did a phenomenal job on the rebuilding of that cathedral. It's magnificent. And they did a great thing and they had great respect for our country. They treated me… Meaning I'm the country, I'm the representative of our country. And we were treated with great respect. And one of the people that came to pay his respects is, as you know, Ukraine, Zelenskyy. And he would like to have peace. He wants peace. Everyone's being killed. It's the worst carnage that this world has seen since World War II. I've had pictures of fields where bodies lying on top of bodies, looks like the old pictures of the Civil War where just bodies are all over. Just if you saw those pictures, you'd feel more strongly about it. It's got to stop, and we're trying to get it to stop.... We got to stop it. It's carnage....
December 17, 2024
The intensely visual and emotional Trumpian view of the landscape of war.
From the transcript of yesterday's press conference:
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The diplomatic and intelligence corps of 40 nations are poring over every word, trying to take the bouillabaisse and reassemble the ingredients.
If Trump brings Putin and Zelenskyy to the table and negotiates the cessation of hostilities, will he get the Nobel Peace Prize?
Thats why I like Trump - he reacts like a normal person. He's some Goddamn ghoul like Miss lindsey who chortles over "killing russkies", and talks about how we're going to steal all of Ukraine's "precious metals".
The only way to make peace at this point, is give Putin the oblasts that have aleady been incorporated into Russia, and agree Ukraine won't join Nato. In return, Putin will have to give some sort of ironclad assurance that he wont invade Ukraine again. After almost 3 years of bloodshed, Russia wont settle for anything less.
We never should have provoked Russia. Ukraine is their backyard and none of our business. Turning the Ukraine into a USA satellite may bring joy to the Neo-cons, chuck shumer, and miss lindsey , but its irrelevant to the security of the USA and our well-being. It literally has zero to do with us.
Well, surely, since he got one for the Abraham Accords. Oh, wait... never mind.
"It's the breadbasket for the world actually."
Not anymore.
LMAO. That’s a good one. Peace Prizes go to Democrat Presidents who personally pick out people to kill via drone strikes, not to Republican Presidents who actually, you know, make peace.
Its amazing how many rich old 'muricans just love war and playing "the great game". They love getting involved in the all these stupid foreign conflicts, wasting billions of dollars, and getting thousands upon thousands of foreigners killed, and sometimes Americans too. Trump gets that.
Remember that dummy Nikki Haley, she was ready to start WW III with Putin, and shouldn't even name the oblasts that Putin has taken over! She had to be rescused by NJ fats, before she could start listing some of them. The other neo-con clowns in the Senate are no different. Go ask some mouth-breathing moron like Mitt Romney, Liz Warren or Liz cheney some detailed questions about the Russian-ukraine conflict and they couldn't answer once they got past their "script".
Both sides have already lost the war. The continuation of the fight only compounds their losses. I would think the average citizen of both countries knows this.
Perhaps I'm overlooking someone, but I can't think of another high-level politician in America who's saying, stop the war, stop the killing, stop the destruction. Cease fire. Negotiate a settlement. Peace.
Not one. WTF? How can that be? On this fact alone, if you hate Donald Trump, it's time for an agonizin' reappraisal.
Hating Russia and Russians is very much an anglosphere tradition. It's much older than Mackinder's Geographic Pivot of History even, originating right around the time the Ottoman Empire got its butt kicked by the Russians and Sevastopol looked as though it might open a 3rd year-round-ice-free port for the continental power to challenge British seafaring dominance.
US-Russian relations weren't always like this, but we inherited the tradition from Britain when they pawned their imperial crown and it could be had at a bargain price.
Some bargain.
Not a peep from Code Pink, not when they're seeing orange.
The lefties are saying that, but it's about Gaza.
The British Empire demanded total war on Germany in WWI because they had decided to build a navy. And they talked the Russian Tsar into sending ill prepared and ill armed troops to fight Germany, to make sure that the two nations never joined forces into a colossus.
The same thing is going on now, the US has dropped an economic iron curtain across Europe, to keep Russia and Germany from any kind of economic alliance. To suggest that any war has only one reason is foolish, but among the many reasons for provoking this war, prying Germany and Russia apart again was surely one of them.
and the night we missed the boat at Algeciras the watchman going about serene with his lamp and O that awful deepdown torrent O and the sea the sea crimson sometimes like fire and the glorious sunsets and the figtrees in the Alameda gardens yes and all the queer little streets and pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
I'll stop it in 24 hours! Lets see it!...said it was very easy,now its very hard, which one? c'mon man get real why lie about?
@RCOCEAN II
"The only way to make peace at this point, is give Putin the oblasts that have aleady been incorporated into Russia, and agree Ukraine won't join Nato. In return, Putin will have to give some sort of ironclad assurance that he wont invade Ukraine again."
I can think of an ironclad way for Russia to provide assurance they won't invade Ukraine: letting Ukraine join NATO.
Jaq, I think there's a lot of ahistorical shit spinning inside your brain.
Get your ass over there or shut the fuck up. You have zero credibilit.
Ukraine Says It Killed Senior Russian General in Moscow Scooter Bombing ~ WSJ
Special Motorbike Operation
I hope the scooter is not too badly damaged.
Day 1,021 of Putin’s 3 day war.
[Shrug] One cannot follow the Trump weave without a three-digit IQ. Democrats and journalists need not apply.
"I'm the country" translates to "l'etat, c'est moi." :-)
"From the transcript of yesterday's press conference"
Did some poor person have to transcribe that or do they do it with 'puters, now?
&Tom T.: Come on man. He was saying the exact opposite. He was saying that the world leaders weren’t showing respect to him personally but to the country he was representing.
Nothing a good court stenographer couldn't follow.
This war will end in 2025.
Putin will have to give some sort of ironclad assurance that he wont invade Ukraine again.
I can't wait for Trump to get off Air Force One, wave a piece of paper and say: The President has returned from Russia bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.
I bet he will even use the British spelling of "honor".
As someone who has voted against Trump three times and am no fan, I will feel so much better about the safety of my teenaged sons with Trump in charge.
The Biden Administration is trying to bully the Ukrainians into lowering their draft age to 18. Why? When have we ever told another country to that they had to draft teenagers?
Why? I think the answer is you cannot send American and British teenagers to gather bullets and PTSD if Pavel and Ivan and on the couch playing Call of Duty on their PS5.
Another indictment, more likely.
Try to picture Biden stringing together that many sentences. Or Harris, without giggling.
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."
The great statesman Joey.
Second to none in foreign policy.
While the Russian and Ukrainian world breadbaskets were offline (c. 1917 - 1991) the US, Canada, Australia and other countries filled the role very nicely.
BION there were periods of time within that span of years when the USA was sending wheat to those breadbaskets to keep their inhabitants alive.
Hiking in September in the Faroe Islands, my wife and I happened upon a couple of young men; where are you from? Ah, Ukraine. Vacationing from their safe haven in Denmark; refugees. How do you think it'll end, I ask? It depends, said one, upon the next American election. We'd like to go back; we have friends who have been killed at the front. They were lucky. Horticultural students doing research in Denmark when the war started.
We should always be on the alert for the next Neville Chamberlain. We should also try to have a better solution than merely to second guess a peace deal. Is there a realistic military outcome in which the interests of the US and its allies are materially better than they would be under the sort of deal outlined by RC Ocean? Ukraine is not going to conquer Russia. Russia, with or without Putin, will be unstable and revanchist. The weaker we make Russia, the stronger we make China. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world.
George Soros wrote, back in the '90s, that we were going to use Eastern Europeans for cannon fodder against Russia.
Incidentally, the combination of manpower from Eastern Europe with the technical capabilities of NATO would greatly enhance the military potential of the Partnership because it would reduce the risk of body bags for NATO countries, which is the main constraint on their willingness to act. - George Soros
Incidentally, the fact checkers say that he never said this.
There are enough mines, UXO, and metal scrap in Eastern Ukraine that they'll be pulling it out of the ground and getting maimed and killed by it for the next 50 years. If Andrei Martyanov is to be believed, in the last 33 months of this war the Russians and Ukrainians have collectively used 900,000 shells/month, or 29,700,000 just in artillery shells, which honestly is probably seriously low-balled.
Something tells me to go long wheat-futures.
That's persuasion, not emotion.
Forget all that meandering. This is the only important part: "It's nice to say they want their land back, but...."
There is no "but" to national sovereignty. Maybe Trump would sacrifice the territory of the U.S. to a foreign aggressor, but Ukraine will not. And there was a time in this country when people understood and agreed with that.
Well then, before you post a possibly inaccurate quote, shouldn't you at least share the source that contradicts the fact checkers? Unless it was just the monkeys flying out of your butt who told you.
I think it would be good if some smart investigator made an effort to piece together - once and for all - Biden family corruption in Ukraine. and not get killed or indicted by the corrupt American Soviet left.
TR got one of the first peace prizes for brokering peace between Japan and Russia. A scary but unsuccessful revolution soon followed in Russia so maybe Putin not open to Trump brokering peace.
"And there was a time in this country when people understood and agreed with that."
The vast majority of people in the US don't give a crap about Ukraine's sovereignty. Most of them couldn't locate it on a map. A pretty good portion couldn't even tell you it was in Eastern Europe. They do care that a huge amount of money is going to support a war in some place they don't give a crap about while there are homeless vets in the US and people in NC are living in tents while winter is setting in.
Canada taking over N Dakota?
I myself don't remember where Asia starts. Which former Soviet ham radio contacts were Europe and which were Asia.
Turkey and points east although central asia runs through to china
Nothing to worry about here. Trump said he would end the war in 24 hours.
NOt really up to you - or any democrat - or Trump.
Just google the text, Freder. It's not that hard.
Odd that the guy heading up the investigation of the biolabs in Ukraine gets assassinated.
Q: Why does America go to war?
A: To learn geography.
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