Said Donald Trump, quoted in "Trump suggests 'war hawk' Liz Cheney should have guns 'trained on her face'/The GOP nominee has long vilified the former congresswoman over her criticism of his role in fomenting the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol" (WaPo).
Liz Cheney is, of course, campaigning with Kamala Harris. The Democrats turned into the Republicans and the Republicans turned into the Democrats. Ask Tulsi Gabbard.
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Meaning, she has no problem sending YOUR kids to fight the wars they get rich from, but would be a chickenshit to actually fight herself.
It's just missing some apostrophes. I'm sure someone can fix it.
She should be the first person up against a wall. She joined Democrats to open gulags in Washington DC to house political prisoners in their concentration camps - all crimes against humanity.
When he was of age, Donald Trump got himself a medical exemption with bullshit bone spurs, risking the dangers of unprotected sex in NYC instead. He was perfectly willing to let other kids go to Vietnam in his place.
Caught the Morning Joe show on the radio this morning. Joe was claiming that this quote meant that Trump was threatening to have Cheney shot by a firing squad. Willy tried to walk it back but Joe was having none of it.
One might call it self-serving, but the fact is that you'd have to go back to Theodore Roosevelt to find someone who reacted better under gunfire than President Trump. Even having girly bodyguards gave him a chance to be part of a seriously iconic photograph in American political history. I might not have let the NYT cameraman with a suspiciously high-speed camera leave the rally alive after that, but then I'm not him.
Could any Democrats or LLRs face conviction over their many, many crime switch as much calmness? Of course not, they know they're going to die if their links to Epstein are exposed. Courage under fire? Again, how could they have it? At best, they can expect the void. At worst, Christian belief is true (it is) and they're facing the big fire down below. Yet as Zuckerberg and Zaslav show, Harris can't even keep her own media/ tech coalition together.
Glenn Greenwald quotes Bob Dylan https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1852347980830929025
Liz Cheney is another turd that won't flush. Too many to count at this point.
Of course Liz only uses a few words of the entire quote on X to claim Trump, the dictator, was threatening her.
They only use part of the quote: "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with 9 barrels shooting at her. Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face." They skid the accusation of being a war hawk (which she is).
I think the Cheney family is now the #1 scumbag family in American history.
Yeah-yeah, some folks inherit star-spangled eyes
Hoo, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
Hoo, they only answer, "More, more, more, more"
Trump didn't say Cheney "should have guns trained on her face," as the WaPo headline bleats.
Despite staff protestations, in actuality the WaPo publishes an editorial endorsement of Harris everyday throughout its supposed news pages.
The press reaches new lows every day.
Absolutely. She's garbage and a traitor. Hopefully she's the last we have to hear about the Cheney family. What trash.
NOBODY should have ever been sent to Viet Nam. An no American kid should be asked to die for our corrupt elite anymore. Been there done that. But I suppose Freder you're ok with the 55K Americans that died needlessly in Viet Nam, and the 1 to 3 million Vietnamese. Good for you!!!
Cheney was chicken-hawk, stayed safe at home during Vietnam and never met a war he didnt like or a war he didn't want to lie us into. His daughter is the same, only much dumber.
I will she has a smidgen (sic) of honesty. Her father probably wouldve worked behind the scenes as the No. 3 house Republican, being a "maverick". Cheney went full neo-con retard, and more or less forced McCarthy and the House R's to bounce her from her post. She's now a full throated liberal Democrat, which she was probably was privately all along.
She should just run for office in VA or MD, that's her REAL home. Not Wyoming.
The media is trying to pretend that Trump calling Cheney a chickenhawk was really Trump saying she should face a firing squad.
They have no shame. They'll say anything at all if they think it will help Harris.
The Democrats turned into the Republicans and the Republicans turned into the Democrats. Ask Tulsi Gabbard.
It's especially funny because for years the Democrats lied about this mythical "party switch" where all their racist KKK members magically turned into Republicans in the late 1960s. They can only name two who did, and only after they renounced their prior racist ways. But now, because Democrats have gone full totalitarian and embraced the Cheneys there actually is an historic realignment where classical liberals who believe in free speech and patriotism are pushed out of the D and into the waiting arms of R. Anyone who still believes in the Bill of Rights is welcome in MAGA America.
Biden family is more corrupt and criminal, doing dirty business with our nation's enemies, selling America out. Americans haven't learned a fraction of the damage that Joe Biden has brought on our country.
Thank you Freder for pointing out how consistent Trump's anti-war stance has been. You are correct. He didn't go and he doesn't want our children and grandchildren to go to war unnecessarily. Cheney does. And she has no fear she will have to go. I'm pretty surprised you didn't pop in to prop up the "he wants her in front of a firing squad" lie that Harris's campaign mangler Ian Sams is pushing with a deceptively edited video made by Aaron Rupar.
Of course there's plenty of time in the day for some idiot to repeat the lie. No doubt it'll happen here.
"When he was of age, Donald Trump got himself a medical exemption with bullshit bone spurs, risking the dangers of unprotected sex in NYC instead. He was perfectly willing to let other kids go to Vietnam in his place."
The position taken at the time by opponents of the Vietnam War — the vocal protesters — was "Hell no, we won't go."
Did you mean to insult all of them?
Activists helped all draft eligible men come up with ways to get out of the draft. I went to college with these people.
The same activists denounced the politicians who support the war as chicken hawks --- voting for the war without themselves facing the violence of war.
The world is full of politicians like Liz Cheney who want to profit off wars that kill other people's children.
How do you Lefties like cheering for Liz Cheney and her Dad?
Isn't it great how she's campaigning for Harris?
Don't you just love having her dad the Dark Lord himself telling you how to vote?
Maybe she can get all the Bushitler votes too!
These are the people that Bob Dylan wrote "Masters of War" about
Read all 8 verses if you don't know the words:
https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters-war-mono/
What Trump is saying is what thousands of protestors were saying back in the Bush/Cheney years, but Democrats will frame his comment as a call to violence.
P.S. Those of us in the bone-spur community resent the insinuation that our malady somehow isn't real.
Did Eisenhower get into battle at any point? Seems like he would have been the most realistic candidate since Teddy.
JFK had no chance to respond, of course. And Reagan did ok when he was shot.
How did anyone avoid the argument "He was perfectly willing to let other kids go to Vietnam in his place"?
You were supposed to serve because otherwise someone would have to go in YOUR place. So all must go.
If you were around then and draft eligible, what did you do?
Morning Joe and the View turn the retard meter to 11 everyday. I'll include Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. Is mental illness contagious?
"...Donald Trump got himself a medical exemption with bullshit bone spurs...". And you know this is BS how, exactly? Or are you venting an opinion, dressing it up as if it's fact? What was your military service?
The Democrats turned into the Republicans and the Republicans turned into the Democrats. After the GOP base absorbed that fact that the we were lied to about Iraq and WMD, we abandoned the Neocons, took over the party, nominated and elected Trump.
The Neocons have now successfully took over the Democrat Party. NONE of the abortion loving liberals with fighting age children what their kids to fight needless wars. But, they have been brainwashed to believe inching toward war with Russia over bullshit Ukraine is "protecting democracy".
You have to be brainwashed to believe that. I don't want any American kids dying for our corrupt gov't. And I don't want foreign and innocent civilians kids to die by the hands of our corrupt gov't.
Who wants their kid to fight for Liz Cheney?
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
The war machine pays.
As I recall from those days, we weren't asked. We were commanded. That's what conscription was all about.
oh look - Lying liars who lie - caught - lying again!
AP sources: White House altered record of Biden’s ‘garbage’ remarks despite stenographer concerns
I just went to university without a deferment. Having a father who flew in three wars and growing up on military bases I would have went. They never called me up to go. Lucky!
She let thousands of americans boys be mauled in iraq at the hands od suleimani
Btw her security detail was linda cheadle
Freder Frederson
When he was of age, Joe Biden got himself a medical exemption with bullshit Asthma; which unlike bone spurs, is easily faked
fify!
In 1972 Trump was classified as 4-F (not qualified for military service).
Freder's rants are once again, "fact free"!
"Glenn Greenwald quotes Bob Dylan https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1852347980830929025"
I'm seeing that AFTER pointing to the same song ("Masters of War").
I'm not copying Greenwald. The aptness of the song is crushingly obvious.
If Trump loses this election, he is only going to have himself to blame. He is his own worst enemy.
Much more even handed headlilne since Bozos angle for neutrality.
So what position in Kamala admin does Cheney get for her efforts?
I enlisted in the Air Force. Ended up Thailand during the war.
Just watch Kamala's remarks gloating over the pain she caused parents of truant children when she was DA to understand how she will view sending young men into battle.
She scares the shit out of me. She really does.
Ike did not see time in direct battle. "During World War I, he was denied a request to serve in Europe and instead commanded a unit that trained tank crews." Between the wars, he served in the Philippines.
Yep. I was all in the Iraq. Fooled me once not again. Ukraine is pure BS too. NATO had zero need to expand after the Soviet Union collapsed.
"Did you mean to insult all of them?" Althouse! At this late date, you're not assuming lefties might argue in good faith, are you? Anyway, as always, the insults only go one way, depending on political advantage. Progs don't do foolish consistency.
I graduated high school in 1975, so I missed it. I remember discussing it with my friends in 1971-2, and we all expected to end up there, in one way, or another. We were living on a SAC base at the time. My Dad was in deployed to Guam, planning Operation Linebacker 1 and 2. Flight crew that left from our base, well, some of them didn't come home. I ended up going to West Point, and that started a completely different path.
She is weak. Weak-minded, weak-willed. Weak leaders are BY FAR the most dangerous. Bobby Kennedy sounds serious and worried because she is manifestly dangerous to the entire world. I agree--she is terrifying.
some of us recognized trump was running as a howard dean democrat in 2016
Freder: "He was perfectly willing to let other kids go to Vietnam in his place." Did he mean Biden? Clinton? No? He meant Trump. And note the illogic: "in his place."
I joined ROTC in college, if I had to go I was going as an officer. They stopped the draft my junior year and I immediately left ROTC.
We saw it as a duty, an obligation, back then. Nobody had to ask.
If only he hadn't moved his head, eh?
How's that finger, buddy?
What Gusty said. Amazing how the neocons took over the Democrats. It makes you wonder if the people posting here are the genuine peace promoting types who hated George W Bush (They were right, I was wrong) or are commenters like Freder (Ayn Rand) Frederson and Robert (The Poor Must Pay the Price!) Cook are just identities as part of an information op. The answer is not obvious to me.
“We killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did”. My goodness 😧
“Did Eisenhower get into battle at any point? Seems like he would have been the most realistic candidate since Teddy”
Part of why, apparently, he wore a minimal number of ribbons.
Speaking of apostrophes, what is it with the scare quotes in ads? I just saw one for "Toasted" subs! What is this process they use that they are afraid they might get in legal trouble if they directly call it "toasted"?
None of the supporters of the war in Ukraine ever comment on the videos I post here of the press-gangs dragging young Ukrainian men off to fight on the front.
I volunteered to go to Iraq. I thought I could, at least, take the place of someone who really didn't want to go.
Strange how often Trump the billionaire speaks for the commoners. He/we see what the Democrat elite and their moronic minions don't. I recently read that progressives know the agenda, but are oblivious to the consequences. (Probably an Instapundit link.) Seems evident.
Then this ought to worry you even more.
And now, just in time for the election, the Department of Defense has issued directive 5240.01. This unprecedented decree broadens U.S. military intelligence-sharing and cooperation with domestic law enforcement, empowers lower-level officials to act independently for up to 72 hours without obtaining approval from the Secretary of Defense, and permits our military to employ lethal force against American citizens “when lives are in danger” during undefined “national security threats.”
The people in charge want to make sure there can be no opposition.
I really don't get it. Shouldn't we all be on the anti-war/bring 'em home side now? The left was right about Iraq - I will be ashamed of supporting that war til the end of my days. Many on the right have learned our lesson on sending our kids to die in foreign wars; I will never support this gov't sending troops anywhere other than our own borders ever again. So, again, why are we still bickering on this?
Also, Metallica's Disposable Heroes is the greatest anti-war song, in my humble opinion. Strong lyrics and an absolute aural assault with a lightning-fast guitar solo. *chef's kiss*
Trump should keep his mouth shut because his words might get twisted to mean something completely different than what he meant when heard in context.
"And every word you say today...
Gets twisted round some other way...
And they's hurt you if they think you've lied."
It's from Jesus Christ, Superstar. I know that there are commenters here who will twist this to mean that I think that Trump is somehow Christ, but that's not what I mean, what I mean is that his detractors keep working hard to make him into the ultimate mythic hero.
I have to say, that's some lame doggerel. Not up to his usual standard at all. Now that I think about it, his "protest" songs were mostly like that. Written in haste, with no poetic insight, full of cheap rhymes. I guess he felt obliged to say certain things, without necessarily saying them well. I mean, compare that sophomoric garbage to a polished gem like Tangled Up in Blue. Hard to believe its the same guy.
Liz Cheney never served a day in the military. Keep that in mind when you spew your usual shit, Freder.
The same way you ask the first man. FWIW, I along with many others, was not drafted or commanded. We volunteered. Because we were lied to
Trump is not describing her execution - he is describing a war like setting - with the enemy pointing guns at her.
The media (D) are lying liars who lie.
The draft came after me in 1967, so I joined the Navy, and spend three years in the UK.
"Let's put her with a rifle standing there with 9 barrels shooting at her."
I'd love to hear from the Althouse lefties of a case where the person on the receiving end of a firing squad was armed with a rifle. I really would.
Dropped out of Gustavus Adolphus. Enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1968. Ended up in Vietnam. No surprises there.
I didn't think Vietnam was a mistake. Still don't.
No, I just meant to insult those who were privileged, who ostensibly supported (or at least were not vocally against it) the Vietnam War, but used their privilege to avoid service, which by all accounts is exactly what Trump (and Michael K while we are at it) did, getting a doctor to diagnose him with imaginary heel spurs.
Kind of like you with the second Iraq war. You believed all the bullshit that Trump, Cheney and Rumsfeld spewed (even that torture was necessary), while you knew that your sons would never have to actually serve in Iraq.
Lonejustice is being treated for PTSD over that cut finger.
I haven't settled onto the Edwin Starr position, but well i see it's the very last tool in the tool chest,
why are americans fighting vietnam war again and again in political discussion?
I lived in New Hampshire in the early '90s. This story is going somewhere relevant, I promise. Anyway, suddenly unemployment spiked and housing prices collapsed. There was one couple who bought back a home they had sold two years prior for $200K less than they sold it for. Why did the "Massachusetts miracle" collapse? What dark force had dealt such a devastating blow to the New England economy? The peace dividend. The Soviet Union had collapsed, and our need for weapons drastically dropped. Now me, being a powerless nobody took my lumps, was devastated financially, lost my home to a forced short sale, but I simply set off to start a new life, which worked out great for me.
Now the owners of local factories like Honeywell, Raytheon, etc, manufacturers of weapons, with hundreds of billions at stake, well, they didn't take it lying down like I did. They said "We need an enemy or the country will go broke from the economic shock." Actual participants in the Cold War, Ronald Reagan's people, George H. W. Bush, they told these arms dealers that this was the new reality. Russia actually tried to join NATO, as a way to guarantee peace in Europe. Well, we can't have that! So the military industrial conglomeration, who have employees in every Congressional district in the country (on purpose) said no way! We need to have a scary enemy!
You know who gets really rich off of this "defensive" strategy? Nuclear Weapons manufacturers. George H.W. Bush was looking at reducing the number of warheads, and these billionaires said "We will see about that, George," and got Clinton elected, who set us up in a hostile posture towards Russia and China. The neocons had a plan for endless war, and the weapons people have funded them generously. They have now taken over the Democrats. We don't just innocently stumble into one war after another; Bob. Dylan is exactly right.
What an idiot. Yes, instead of the traditional cigarette, Trump proposes to give her a rifle instead.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut as you suggest the movement he is leading would have suffered the same fate as the TEA Party. The unitary would be in complete control.
"How did anyone avoid the argument "He was perfectly willing to let other kids go to Vietnam in his place"?"
According to these links:
https://www.randomservices.org/random/data/Draft.html
https://www.sss.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/1970-Vietnam-Lottery.pdf
here are the results of the lottery held on December 1, 1969, for men born from 1944 through 1950. Trump's number was 356, the highest lottery number called was 195. It appears Trump would not have been drafted, so nobody was sent in his place.
I’m somewhat encouraged by the frantic objections from the Trump/Putin team here.
Born in 1952, my draft lottery number was over 350. Saw no need to volunteer. Didn't want to drop out of college to get on the bottom
of the military as a PFC. I wasn't antiwar. I thought everyone was lying, particularly the left.
"By all accounts"
Prove it, Freder.
Sorry, not Trump, but Bush, in the previous post. Although of course now Trump claims, falsely, that he was always against the Iraq war.
Which objections, Bich- I don't see any. Enlighten us, you dumb fuck.
Prove it, Freder.
I'm sure the only proof you would accept would be a direct quote from Trump saying "yeah, daddy pulled strings with his podiatrist to say I had bone spurs, I fucked over the draft board good", but here you go
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
So are you now telling us you have become a pacifist and you regret your support of the Iraq War?
The desire for revenge after 9/11 killed all anti-war sentiment. All the lessons of the Vietnam War were forgotten. I got caught up in the war hysteria, too. Since 9/11, ruthless militarism has become the common political outlook of U.S. politicians. Trump is the only one still holding the anti-war line.
Freder is a warmonger now. He is using all the same lines the warmongers used in the 60's/70's talking about Vietnam.
Joe Biden used Asthma for his multiple deferments. And Freder supports the wars Joe started. The Cheney's and the Bushes are now on Freder's side. So Freder is now just a full out Neocon Warmonger.
And Freder is letting everyone know who the true enemy is. The true enemies are the Nazi Fascist Garbage people that support Trump. He would have volunteered to be in the National Guard at Kent State.
I volunteered in 2007 when I decided I supported those wars.
Being involved taught me I was wrong to support those wars.
I admit my support for, and volunteering to fight in, and actually fighting in the Iraq war were a mistake.
I also admit that hypocrites like Freder who support Joe Biden make me very unhappy.
Having cunts like you attacking us over BS like Abu Ghraib and Iraq war crimes now you are taking the exact opposite line attacking us and calling us Putin puppets because we don't support your current war mongering is admittedly infuriating.
You are a soulless husk. You have no integrity and you are completely driven by a will to power over other people.
Freder is a more honest person than lonejustice.
Freder that bone spurs slur is simply tiresome. If you actually had them, the Army and the draft did not want you. I did draft law work back in the late 60s and early 70's. Bone spurs were a valid exemption. Now whether you have bone spurs or not, only a doctor and X ray can tell. Slow Joe was also medically exempt--I think his problem was asthma. Physical fitness is a requirement for military service--particularly in the infantry. And today the military tells us that 70% of the American military aged population is unfit to serve.
Yeah, I was there. Some politicians put their sons in the military, but not many. George H. W. Bush, then a Congressman, seems to have pulled strings to get his son into the Texas Air National Guard. The joke was on him — the F102 was a uniquely dangerous aircraft to fly and the son might have been safer dropping napalm over South Vietnam from F100s. Albert Gore, Jr. was open about enlisting because his daddy, a Senator, was in a tough re-election fight and his son not serving would have been held against him by the voters (his Dad lost anyway, and Albert, Jr. who had been in stateside billets, got orders for Vietnam as soon as the next Congress was sworn in). Al Gore’s Wiki page dryly notes that he was almost alone among his Harvard classmates in serving in the military.
I was drafted in 1969, but got lucky and stayed stateside. I served in the Pentagon, from which I developed my mantra: “They all tell you ‘Duty, Honor, Country’, but first comes their career.”
And as for Freder, he is insulting all of the people, like me for instance, who suffer from bone spurs. There have been mornings when the act of getting out of bed and touching the floor with my foot sent enough pain through my feet that I was literally driven to my knees in agony. If Freder thinks this is all so funny, perhaps he can tell me where to meet him and I can apply my 5 pound sledge to his heels. Then he can decide whether foot pain is as funny as he thinks it is.
We managed to get this far in a discussion of chicken hawks without mentioning Tim Walz.
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