"I think that all options are on the table, including recess appointments. Hopefully, it doesn't get to that but we'll find out fairly quickly whether the Democrats want to play ball or not," [Thune] said on Thursday during an interview....
If Trump were to use recess appointments at the start of his term, those appointees could remain in their positions until the end of the next Senate session, or until 2026.
Per the Congressional Research Service, former President Barack Obama made 32 recess appointments, ex-President George W. Bush made 171 and former President Bill Clinton made 139 while the Senate was on recess....
"Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner," Trump posted to X, formerly Twitter, on Sunday.
November 15, 2024
"John Thune Says Recess Appointments 'On the Table' To Get Trump Picks Through."
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Does Thune inherit Mitch’s Chinese benefactors?
whatever it takes to drain the corrupt swamp. Just do it.
The Senate should not so easily give up it's Advice and Consent power; this will be used in ways the GOP does not like when there is an inevitable Democratic president.
John Thune says, encouragingly, that recess appointments are 'on the table', in case those pesky Democrats start getting feisty.
John Thune says, encouragingly, 'Jump, Donald ! The water's plenty deep down there ! It's the old familiar S. O. S. Rino double-talk.
This will be UNPRESIDENTED and a TOTAL VIOLATION OF NORMS despite the fact that this has always been done. If OrangeManBad does it, it is an afront to all that is right and holy, so say the very creatures we are trying to get out of our system.
Watch what they do not what they say.
"Per the Congressional Research Service, former President Barack Obama made 32 recess appointments, ex-President George W. Bush made 171 and former President Bill Clinton made 139 while the Senate was on recess...."
Is this from an authoritative style guide? Democrat presidents become "former" and Republican presidents become "ex-". Something like former lover vs. ex-wife semmanticly.
The problem here is last time the Dems just gummed up the works to require whatever full timeline was needed on confirmations one at a time just to prevent anyone from being put in place. They would not vote to just move directly to the up/down vote (which was going to confirm). So if the recess threat prevents this it did its job. Legit questions and objections are fine. Resist crybabyism not so much.
I can remember Bush installing Bolton via recess appointment because the Senate was dragging its heels. When did it stop? With Trump? Recess hits a balance between the branches. Bring it back.
So, once again the Republican majority leader is working with Schumer to sabotage Trump. "Its on the table". That means it wont happen. "If they wont play ball" means = I'll get together with Schumer and I'll do what he wants.
Give Schumer 50 votes and the VP, and he almost rams through getting rid of the filibuster and the most radical, partisan, legislation ever. Including Amnesty and "electoral reform". The house impeaches Mayorkas, and Schumer refuses to hold a trial and just laughs.
Now, gutless uniparty Thune is in charge, and will be "reaching across the aisle" to please Schumer and saying "Mother, may I?".
Yah, I'm surprised Schumer let him say this...
Biden didn't need recess appoinments, because almost radical judge and leftwing Cabinet members got R votes and had no D defectors. The RINOS, Mittens and Miss Lindsey voted for the Most radical SCOTUS judge ever. They also voted for Mayorkas and Merrick Garland.
Now, when they have the majority, and Trump is in power, Miss Lindsey and the RINOs will be "alarmed and dismayed" at his "radical" picks, and will help the D's vote them down and stall them. This will never change until R voters wise up, which will be never.
Thune doesn't have the balls.
And otto reich
This is why they call the GOP the stupid party. The Democrats will do it anyway. Hell, they were promising the end the filibuster just a month ago. Sure, I rather we not "use the nuclear option", but "Recess Appointments" <> "the nuclear option". Recess Appointments are the norm.
Besides, the newly elected President just got the Advice and Consent from the American people. Maybe be a bit more deliberative when the VP somehow becomes the leader without using the 25th Amendment and/or the House Minority Leader or Senate Majority Leader start making the appointments.
Recess appointments should only be valid during the recess. But that's not the way things are done and hasn't been for some time.
Among the many clean up jobs Trump is in Washington to perform, this one does not rank very highly.
Probably not, while Mitch is still alive.
However, I would like to see a copy of the will.
Lots of gnashing of teeth and clutching of pearls over the nomination of Gaetz, RFKJr, and Tulsi.
Similar language and (mostly) the same people when the likelihood of Trump running, and then running again.
He's mean, he's nasty, he's not presidential, he's a fascist, he's stupid, he can never win...
And then he's president (again).
The voters want Trump to do to the government what Trump wants his nominees to do to their parts of the government.
Recess appt all of them, let them go to work. Fire them or impeach them if they do not perform.
I'm betting on Trump (again).
You know what the Senate might need? Exercise ! Harry Reid found that exercise machinery has a mood-changing way of moving things along, in the right direction.
https://x.com/MarcACaputo/status/1857428605938090212
Oh please, John
the Democrats will do whatever they think they can to get teh power they lust for, completely irregardless of what the GOP has done in the past
See: going nuclear.
The legislative filibuster still exists because Manchin and Seinima weren't willing to vote to get rid of it, not because of any "respect for tradition" among the other 49 Democrats in the Senate.
If the Dems ever again have a trifecta, GOP Senators willing to block and slow down the nomination process, and 50+ Dems willing to let anyone the President wants in, then they'll go into a full recess.
It's completely irrelevant what happens this term
Yet another reason to reduce the number of departments and agencies…
Its never Too Early For A GOPe Full Surrender To The New Soviet Democraticals.....to "conserve conservatism very conservatively".....naturally.
Trump better not do that thing that the other Presidents did routinely....that Would Be Wrong and Breaking "Muh Precious Norms!"
Barack Obama made 32 recess appointments, ex-President George W. Bush made 171 and former President Bill Clinton made 139
I wonder how many of those were cabinet officials. Going by memory, I'd say probably none.
Yes - because it will never be used by a Democrat president to install unqualified communists dedicated to reinstating the swamp!
The Senate giving up its advise and consent role will not end well.
Will all you Constiution hating morons tell the same way when President AOC installs Keith Ellison as AG and Rashida Talib as SOS?
Is it legal? Yes. Has it been used numerous times by both parties? Yes.
So what's the problem? You might be called bad names and no longer be invited to the best parties by the cool kids. Ok then, full speed ahead.
"this will be used in ways the GOP does not like when there is an inevitable Democratic president."
Read the post - it has been used repeatedly, by dems and repubs alike. Plus, what would be worse than the batch of losers Biden got through?
I was very pleased to see that Trump's first foreign visitor was Javier Milei of Argentina, who has been ruthless in cutting up the bureaucracy and slowing the horrendous inflation in his country.
I hope he left one of his trademark chainsaws for his host.
Query: since under the Constitution the vice president Vance will be the President of the senate, why can't he act in the place of the majority leader, which is not a constitutional office? Does being senate president mean only that he can cast tie breaking votes, or can he take a more active role, as did John Adams during Washington's term?
After 2021 can we say they did any advising endorsing people who nearly destroyed this country
iam Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
I believe Clinton made the last cabinet-level recess appointment.
“For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.”
― George Patton
Are you trying to be sarcastic? If so, you are failing miserably.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 3:
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
The group that started breaking the norms was the Senate (in this case I think it was McConnell who decided this would be a good way to styme a President he didn't like, of either party) which started the practice of opening and closing a pro forma session so even if they weren't doing any business they were never in recess except briefly between sessions.
Here's hoping Thun announces his run for SD Governor soon. I assume it will be shortly after Kristi Noem is confirmed.
UNPRESIDENTED
Nice portmanteau work here.
That's a completely ass-backwards comparison. The norm breaking started with McConnell holding a pro forma session and never recessing even though it is clearly contemplated in the Constitution, and recess appointments are a limited power granted to the President. The Democrats then kept up the scam, and McConnell did so as well so he could completely control who got confirmed.
AMDG - the left already install unqualified communist recess appointments and mob-squish hacks.
What Trump wants to do is game the system. Having the Senate go into recess for the specific express purpose of allowing the President to appoint people that would otherwise be rejected by the Senate flies in the face of a key component of our system: the separation of powers.
If it isn’t unconstitutional by law, and it very well might be, it certainly is unconstitutional in spirit.
Why are you retards intent on destroying the Constitution for the sake of Matt Gaetz?
What I liked -- it was before my time, but I like it retrospectively -- is when a "filibuster" actually required a Senator to stand there like a gasbag and read from the phone book. I've had it up to here with Senators mailing in their filibusters from the beach. Bring back the Guinness Book of World Records filibuster! And remember to bend those knees so you don't fall over, jackass.
And if you actually make the Senators do something -- I'm pretending here that standing up is doing something -- it makes their institution seem alive and relevant. People watch it on TV and talk it about it in bars.
"Is he still standing up?"
"Yeah, he's reading Mark Twain out loud."
"When are they bringing in a sub?"
Strom Thurmond has the record, by the way. 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957. And then he fucked four girls!
The Rules:
Democrats can be as corrupt and cretin-like as needed.
R's must be perfect in every way.
best example: Bill Clinton is a rapist - yet he is applauded wherever he goes.
Eisenhower used a recess appointment to put people on the Supreme Court(!)
Exactly.
Bush used recess appointments too.
The only person not allowed to use them according to the traitors that slouch around DC is Trump.
Best for Trump to stick with the old dying money whore back-stabbers we all know and love.
If Trump were to use recess appointments at the start of his term, those appointees could remain in their positions until the end of the next Senate session, or until 2026.
Trump will be a lame duck in 2026, anyway. If any federal agencies are to be imploded, knock on wood, it will happen in the first two years.
I'm kinda hoping the Secretary of Education fires everybody under him and then says shit about the Ivy League for two years.
These are just people pretending to be Republicans.
Trump got millions more votes than any other Republican in history because he actually tries to do what he said he would do.
People like John Borell know what the results of their actions are. They are controlled opposition who work for the swamp.
Trump has mandate. He should get everyone appointed in. Let the chips fall where they may. I have complete confidence that it will all work out in the wash.
Thune has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican.
If it isn’t unconstitutional by law, and it very well might be, it certainly is unconstitutional in spirit.
That sounds like a really shitty Supreme Court dissent!
They'll be laughing about that one in law school classrooms for a century.
Kids will write it on their exams when they don't know what to say.
"It's unconstitutional in spirit!"
Thune doesn't have the balls.
Trump nickname suggestion!
John "Ken Doll" Thune
Questions for the lawyers: as I understand it, in the Canning decision, SCOTUS ruled that the recess must be at least 10 days for the recess appointment to be valid.
Is my understanding correct? What are the 'gotchas' here?
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