Vance: I think that frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote. Because again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone. And now you have all this crazy stuff on top of it that they're like, no, no, no, no, we didn't. We didn't want to give pharmaceutical products to nine year olds who are transitioning their genders. We just wanted to be left the hell alone.
Rogan: Well, a lot of gay guys feel like the whole movement is homophobic. Which is ironic. 'cause they think there's, they think that there's, people think there's something wrong with being gay. So what you really are is a girl. And they think that a lot of this is being given, these thoughts are being given to gay kids. These kids will just grow up to be gay men. And instead you're getting them to convert their gender.
Vance: It's pharmaceutical conversion therapy. Right?
When you're actually being persecuted, your reaction is: Leave me alone. But that doesn't make you a permanent libertarian, stuck in the position of just wanting to be left alone. Once the persecution and formal discrimination stops, you might be satisfied and want nothing more for your group and adopt a libertarian philosophy going forward, but that doesn't make you any more "normal" than the other members of your group who think that having come this far, they want something more. They go in a left-wing direction.
I'd say it's "normal" for a "gay guy" to find his way right, left, or center, like anyone else. JD Vance may be accurate in saying "they just wanted to be left the hell alone" — speaking in the past tense — but that doesn't mean that now, as he seeks their vote, they still want nothing more than to be left alone. But it's a separate question what the "normal gay guy" wants if he wants more than only to be left alone. Some do, some don't.
But Vance is making an additional argument: the "normal gay guy" would not embrace the transgender ideology because it the equivalent of conversion therapy. Even a "gay guy" who wants more than just to be left alone might agree with that, though I suspect that he would find it socially very hard to say that out loud these days.
Scrolling through TikTok yesterday, I saw a trend of men who said they were gay and agreed with Vance, and I wanted to collect a few of these here:
@shawnontheright Will Trump & Vance win the gay vote?
♬ original sound - ShawnOnTheRight
@itslinklauren JD Vance sat down with Joe Rogan for an in-depth conversation. They discussed LGBT issues which the mainstream media is now focusing on. Kamala Harris has not appeared on Joe Rogan yet. It’s unclear whether she will or not. #uspolitics #politicstiktok #politicaltiktok #foxnews #cnnnews #jdvance #joerogan #donaldtrump #kamalaharris #lgbt ♬ original sound - Link Lauren
@alex.ghaderi Replying to @tria Diaz ♬ original sound - Alex Ghaderi
@_ajtsanchez “They just wanted to be left alone”.. exactly! 🏳️🌈🇺🇸
♬ original sound - AJ
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Me and Trump!
Vance used "me" as the subject of a sentence more than that one time.
53 minutes in: "So one of the big things that me and President Trump confront all the time is the accusation that we're somehow like in bed with Russia, which is like the, the dumbest thing in the world to me."
Isn’t it deliberate violation? Maybe nails on the chalkboard to the grammar police but it sounds more Yale than hillbilly…
Great interview, better than Trump's. You know the Harris team parsed every second of it to find a clip to get the base and elite media outraged about. Fortunately Vance is too smart (listen to how he danced back "stupid" Emily in Paris).
We've had several very normal gay professional couples buy seven-figure houses in the neighborhood in the past few years. Really great guys; dedicated to voting Harris.
I'd like to point out it was North Carolina's HB2 (the Bathroom Bill) that put obnoxious trans politics on the national stage and lost the governor who signed it re-election in 2016 (Trump won NC). NCAA Women's sports bodies ignored the privacy and protection of their athletes and came out against it, as did many corporations, who cost the state ~$0.5B.
It's the reverse of the "between you and I" people who believe it makes them sound more intelligent.
I put up a new post on the grammar topic so please take the grammar discussion there.
JD Vance thinks all "normal gay guys" are closet cases like him.
I don’t share this to shame those who do drag, but rather to shame those who attack drag while having a history of enjoying the art form themselves. 👠
Matt Walsh, Who Calls Drag Queens “Groomers,” Thinks It’s Totally Chill for J.D. Vance to Wear Skirts
https://www.them.us/story/matt-walsh-jd-vance-drag-photos-trump-vp-pick-defense
I’ve heard gay guys do ten minutes on the normal gay guy. Like there’s the equivalent of yellow/red cards awarded for acting too gay in public. Bonus points for a straight guy friend. Who knew?
Who says blondes don't have more fun?
Check: Yes, Photos Do Show JD Vance Wearing Dress and Blonde Wig While at Yale Law School
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-photos-show-165100903.html
They’re talking about not making mistakes with young undeveloped minds, protecting children from harm. The kind stuff we never questioned before the revolution started…
There's supposedly a category of men who are sexually attracted to men, have sex with men, but they're not homosexual. Until I can understand that, I've no business trying to understand the claim that a man is a woman because he feels like a woman, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
This is like saying every guy on Saturday Night Live is a drag queen because they played a woman once.
That must be when JD discovered guyliner/eyeliner.
"Check: Yes, Photos Do Show JD Vance Wearing Dress and Blonde Wig While at Yale Law School"
Ivy League guys dressed as women is a big tradition, isn't it?
"Male students in drag, Yale university 1883" — https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/11ttl44/male_students_in_drag_yale_university_1883/
One of my favorite TikTokers is an openly gay man who is marrying a woman (because she's the love of his life)
You're allowed to marry someone you're not sexually attracted to. Heterosexual people do it all the time. The question is whether you and your chosen one understand what you are doing.
I believe we now require Meade's thoughts on this.
Rich is just a vicious bigot. The masks on these people have been slipping for a while.
I think Meade understood exactly what he was agreeing to do.
Is the purpose to have children? Or do they just enjoy being a pair bonded couple?
Is Vance referring to Elon Musk? Ted Walz just referred to Musk as “that gay guy.” (Is it even possible for Walz to be more weird?)
The homophobic freak flag flies.
Watch Rich use anything he can to attack and sting his political opponents. This is what it looks like when your entire political ideology revolves around hatred of the other and power over other people.
Ann Althouse said...
One of my favorite TikTokers is an openly gay man who is marrying a woman (because she's the love of his life)
I need to hear more about this. What was old has become new again.
The gay men persecution story is a bullshit propaganda myth. Gay men died by the tens of thousands in the late 20th century from AIDs as a result of their own suicidal sexual behavior. There were no roving bands of murderous homophobes. It’s all a lie. I live in NYC and SF in the midst of this. This persecution myth is just a total bullshit lie.
Two words: Hasty. Pudding.
Althouse’s blog is great, but she perpetuates two myths constantly, the myths of the persecution and oppression of women and gays. These myths are both utter and complete bullshit, and they’ve been very damaging. These myths were tacked onto the legitimate claims of blacks during the civil rights era of the 60s and 70s and the results have been disastrous, the ever expanding identity politics stupidity, DEI, quotas, etc.
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