November 19, 2024

"Even the most apparently conservative and decorous women writers obsessively create fiercely independent characters who seek to destroy all the patriarchal structures..."

"... which both their authors and their authors’ submissive heroines seem to accept as inevitable. The madwoman in literature by women is not merely, as she might be in male literature, an antagonist or foil to the heroine. Rather she is usually in some sense the author’s double, an image of her own anxiety and rage."

“People forget that, when they were writing, even to talk about women writers as having anything in common, as having a story of their own, as being connected in any way to each other, was incredibly controversial,” Katha Pollitt, the feminist author, told The Washington Post in 2013. “Now it seems completely obvious.”

21 comments:

Rusty said...

It's OK to posture, but when things need to get done better have a man in your back pocket.

Jamie said...

even to talk about women writers as having anything in common, as having a story of their own, as being connected in any way to each other, was incredibly controversial,

I guess the "story of their own" is a collective, women's story. When I first read this sentence, I was like, "Hang on, you can't have it both ways - women are all of a piece yet they each have a unique story." But no, apparently feminism has been all about group identity since the Second Wave came along. At least.

I mean, I suppose there's a good argument for women's group identity in the First Wave too, when it was a common trope that women in the electorate would make it a more civilized place through their good influence. Or, go back farther than that and you find both women arguing that they are the civilized half of society and men would do well to listen to us, and men holding up some vision of Womanhood, especially Motherhood, as an ideal to be protected.

Ugh. We can't get away from group identity.

Dixcus said...

How to write women, by Melvin Udall.

“Think of a man. Now take away reason and accountability.”

n.n said...

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness... conservative women are fiercely independent, all American. Unlike liberalism, progressivism, and the like, there is no accommodation for Diversity (e.g. sexism) in conservative philosophy.

Shouting Thomas said...

Feminist shit is so fucking tiresome. Fortunately, I’ve found women all through my life who don’t babble like jackasses about this shit.

n.n said...

Class-disordered ideologies under the Diversity umbrella, and conflation of sex and gender in the woke of political congruence.

West TX Intermediate Crude said...

When the shit hits the fan, nobody calls for a feminist.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

That quote by longtime libtard Pollit is feminist revisionist bullshit.

Jaq said...

Ever since I was made to read Fear of Flying in a lit class, and was told it was some kind of feminist manifesto, I have been less than impressed by feminist authors who profess to be creating art.

There was nothing wrong with Fear of Flying as a novel, but as a way of living? It was a straight track to unhappiness for women, it seemed to me.

Jaq said...

The world is full of them. They just don't make it a goal in life to be represented in the media.

rhhardin said...

Women have always been a problem.

wild chicken said...

Second Wave was fine until lesbians made it all about themselves. Betty Friedan was right, stay in the fucking closet.

Kate said...

These authors wrote more madMEN in the attic than madwomen. Victor Frankenstein is unhinged and Heathcliff borders on demonic. Anyone holding up Bertha Rochester -- Jane calls her a "vampyre" -- as an icon is ridiculous.

When you lump women writers who lived before the modern age together you diminish them. They should stand on their own as great authors.

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mikee said...

If I can tell the sex of the author from reading the book, I suspect the author meant for me to do so. Destruction of the "other" whether that other is inherently evil patriarchal structures or Gaia-worshipping madwomen is a common manifestation of a writer's failure to value themselves.

n.n said...

Men and women live in dynamic harmony through a reconciliation of patriarchal and matriarchal structures established by both sexes.

Ampersand said...

I visit my public library in Los Angeles about once a week. I make a point to browse the new nonfiction and fiction. The nonfiction has a slight majority of female authors, and many titles on anti racism, anti Republican, pro gay and trans, and very little on conventional history, biography, and science. The fiction authorship is 3 to 1 female to male. If you eliminate the legacy malles like Stephen King and Michael Connelly, it skews even more XX. Of course my sample is unscientific. But read Publishers Weekly or another publishing industry periodical, and you'll get a similar impression.

If women's writing is distinctly different, then we are systematically under representing the distinctly different male forms of expression.

Lazarus said...

"Fiercely independent" women characters, yes, but do they really "seek to destroy all the patriarchal structures"? All the patriarchal structures? That seems excessively binary: either women are completely submissive, or they seek to overturn the entire established order. The reality wasn't that simple and polarized.

Maybe spunky girl heroines were just trying to get some breathing room inside the existing system and structures, trying to adapt the system to their own wants and needs, rather than trying to overturn it. Gilbert views them through her own "heteropessimistic" lens. If female heroines had a subversive side didn't they also have a submissive side? "I am Heathcliff!" wasn't the outburst of a revolutionary feminist. Can you really separate out one side and make it superior and the true message? The great mass of 19th century literature by women may not have reflected Gilbert's revolutionary feminist theories either.

Tina Trent said...

Madwoman in the Attic is the bitter, lit crit equivalent of Moosewood Cookbook. Ironically, it ends up being contemptuous of those extremely different authors’ voices, effort, and genius. One might imagine the Brontes, Austen, et. al. beating Gilbert with a sack of oranges in some back alley. But please don’t blame them for her.

Sebastian said...

"even to talk about women writers as having anything in common, as having a story of their own, as being connected in any way to each other, was incredibly controversial" I call BS.

DINKY DAU 45 said...

Yup some males today need to have women they can command and if not you can bet they live on their own as the 21st century woman aint putting up with their shit. Patriarchy is over rated, a loving shared responsibility nurturing relationship offers the best. Patriarchy will die more rapidly as time moves forward. The AMAZONS are coming back.. Remember the saying" you aint the boss of me" more pertinent than ever, the dinosaurs are living in that realm..ITS A BRAVE NEW WORLD. grin and bear it or live in a cave on your own in bitterness. Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we all die!