October 6, 2021

I learned a new word.

I was reading "Dave Chappelle’s Endless Feedback Loop" (New York Magazine), a review of the new Netflix special, "Closer," which we watched last night. And I get to this:
He speaks about Black and queer struggles as if they are strictly in competition, not always entangled. He has the textbook edgelord ally’s arrogance. He swears he knows how to fix things for you, but he’s just asking for you to take up less space, to usher in progress by giving other people time to come around to you.

Edgelord. I had to look it up. Urban Dictionary says:

A poster on an Internet forum, (particularly 4chan) who expresses opinions which are either strongly nihilistic, ("life has no meaning," or Tyler Durden's special snowflake speech from the film Fight Club being probably the two main examples) or contain references to Hitler, Nazism, fascism, or other taboo topics which are deliberately intended to shock or offend readers. 
The term "edgelord," is a noun, which came from the previous adjective, "edgy," which described the above behaviour. 
Nietzsche was an edgelord before it was cool.

Here's a Reddit discussion from 2 years ago that uses the word in talking about Chappelle:

Watching all of his latest specials have made me realize how much reputation gets you in comedy. His jokes are on par with Reddit edgelords and the audience laughs at every single sentence even when there's no punchline. He could say anything and the audience would laugh. Like even he said before comedy is way too easy for him. Objectively his jokes aren't creative or even funny most of the time. And also the way he references pop culture every 5 seconds like an old ass man makes me cringe every time.
Ah! And there's "cringe" too. I was just saying this morning that we were having a real-world conversation about the new Chappelle show that got all caught up in the meaning of that word. It would have been funny if we'd gotten tied up in the word "edgelord," but I didn't know that word this morning. 

I looked up "edgelord" in the NYT archive, because that's kind of a test for me of how much of a word some supposed word actually is. 

The white-extinction theory plays well online. It has found its greatest purchase among a certain type of basement-dwelling incel edgelord, to whom it offers both an explanation for self-pitying personal circumstance and a set of convenient antagonists (roughly, the blame falls on race-betraying, sexually empowered women; immigrants; and the Jews said to control the whole system).

And from just last month, "If Gawker Is Nice, Is It Still Gawker?/'I’m not interested in ruining people’s lives,' says its top editor, Leah Finnegan, who once insulted a baby in a headline"

“The internet is both too mean and too nice for Gawker now,” my old colleague Sara Yasin says. “If you’re mean, you have to be super edgelord mean, or else you have to be super earnest.” 
From last February, "Soccer Isn’t Blameless in Its Culture of Abuse/Leagues and teams have urged Twitter and Facebook to address the unfiltered hatred spewed on their platforms. But the game indulges, and sometimes even directs, that same outrage":
In the case of social media, it is not just that the anonymity of the screen gives free rein to users who wish to spread their sincere and repulsive hatred, but that its timbre incentivizes the breaking of taboos: edgelords seeking clout by saying the unsayable. 

I love the use of "timbre" and "edgelords" in the same sentence. I might write "timbre" one of these days, but it's hard to imagine me ever deploying "edgelords." I'm just marking the occasion of learning how to read it. Wait. No. I'm inspired to use it. I have a question: Are any of you people edgelords? 

And — sorry to extend this post — I did proceed to search for "edgelord" in The New Yorker. This is a backup test to see how much of a word it is. I found the word in the title of an article — "Jordan Wolfson’s Edgelord Art/Can an artist who built a career on provocation survive a newly sensitive age?" (March 2020):

He affronted men and offended women. “It’s to extend his brand of Edgelord Art,” an artist who knows him well told me. “It’s almost laughably banal—another rich white person exercising their place in the world to do better at the expense of other people’s health. It’s by-the-book sociopathy. Sociopaths are people who regard people as objects.”

And I found it in "The Uneasy Afterlife of 'A Confederacy of Dunces'/The book has long been considered a classic. But, forty years after its publication, its virtues seem inextricable from its flaws" (January 2021):
And here is Ignatius at his most horrifyingly, presciently archetypal, watching a film starring an ingénue with whom he’s obsessed: “How dare she pretend to be a virgin. Look at her degenerate face. Rape her!” Early in the novel, Ignatius tells us, “I am an anachronism. People realize this and resent it.” In 1968, Toole’s hero mystified one of the country’s finest editors of fiction. In 1980, he seemed harmless. Forty years later, this red-pilled malcontent calling for a theofascist revival seems something else entirely. Ignatius J. Reilly—the godfather of the Internet troll, the Abraham of neckbeards, the 4chan edgelord to rule them all—was no anachronism. He was a prediction.

29 comments:

rcocean said...

He's the King of Edgy. He's an "Edgelord". Another way of putting it: Iconclastic, subversive.

That comment from Reddit about his audience laughing at every joke no matter how funny, could be applied to every current Late Night talk show host, Jon Stewart, and most film comedies.

I can remember Stewart's audience emiting howls of laughter at Stewart raising an eyebrow.

Fernandinande said...

Most of Netflix special, "Closer," came across as an apology for, and perhaps an inoculation against, Chapelle's supposed "transphobia"; the tales of the man disguised as a woman whose comedy act sucked but he was funny in person were sad and boring.

BarrySanders20 said...

"The term 'edgelord,' is a noun, which came from the previous adjective, "edgy," which described the above behaviour."

It'll be my PROnoun of choice if anyone insists that I use the one of them's own making.

Menahem Globus said...

That's an old one. 1990s old.

LordSomber said...

Most edgelords are try-hards, and most people who write about edgelords are even bigger try-hards.

There's another term for you to look up.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

That's a cool word. I think I will be able to use it. It's the type of word I like to use. Speaking of Confederacy of Dunces, I have a picture of me posing by the life size statue of Ignatius J. Reilly outside the former D.H. Holmes on Canal Street in NOLA. It's in my Facebook archives. I used to run around down there, not too long ago.

Narr said...

Please diagram the sentence beginning "And also the way he references pop culture" and perhaps I'll understand the use of "ass." Is it just an intensifier?

Is this already an old ass topic?

pious agnostic said...

Are any of you people edgelords?

What do you mean "you people?"

robother said...

When I was young I aspired to be an edgelord, but lately I realize I'm just an old ass man.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Edgelord owes tentative popularity to its similarity to the cute hedgehog.

Edgelord sounds to me like a clever witty person. The putdown, if any, is calling someone a "lord". But even then, it was funny when Seinfeld used "lord of the manor" in the popular "masturbations bet" episode. Then again, maybe Seinfeld is ancient history.

Maybe landlord is a putdown now.

Edgelord could an attempted epithet aimed at the people who can't be taken down with sound arguments in debate.

rhhardin said...

Anthony Jeselnik Hopes and Prayers is great.

Howard said...

Colonel Walter Kurtz, edgelord:I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving.

Ice Nine said...

>>This might account for Gottlieb’s complaint that “Dunces” wasn’t “about anything.” <<

I've long struggled to explain precisely why the mildly amusing "Confederacy Of Dunces" never did it for me as it did for so many others. And there, finally, it is. Thanks Gottlieb.

Scot said...

I am amused/frustrated when I read a reference to "The Web". History did not start with Facebook. Many years before, there were all the same types of people, mean and nice, on UseNet.

Critter said...

I’m confused about the use of Edgelord for anyone other than comedians and artists. Both are intent on creating notoriety with their work. Beyond those people, do not people say what they believe? To say otherwise is the twitterzation of speech. That is, people say things to get a reaction, not to communicate what they believe. So, I don’t see how Edgelord is more than of narrow interest.

Daniel12 said...

I love this post, it's the greatest! Thanks Ann for bringing us on the journey.

Also of all the various uses of edgelord, it was the photo of Wolfson's "Female Figure" in the New Yorker article that finally made it click for me.

Scot said...

The New Yorker review of A Confederacy of Dunces is yet another example of cancel culture. Bissell doesn't pull down Toole's monument with ropes, but with woke words.

The many passages regarding Toole's troubled life & his mother offer nothing to the analysis of the book. Only to reinforce: this dude was a weirdo. Confederacy therefore is wrong. By Bissells's lights, the only books worth reading are those which do not offend his tender sensibilities.

In that sense, he is Ignatius' brother.

Bob said...

Another type of internet "lord" is the shitlord.

There may be others, for all I know, which is admittedly very little.

Pat said...

Edgelord essentially means the same thing as troll, although it is inappropriately applied to Chappelle. I get that a lot of people don't find him funny but I do, just as a lot of people think Sarah Bee is hilarious and I find her tedious. As the guy over at Protein Wisdom used to point out, nobody is going to find comedians who mock their worldview funny.

Ann Althouse said...

"Please diagram the sentence beginning "And also the way he references pop culture" and perhaps I'll understand the use of "ass." Is it just an intensifier? Is this already an old ass topic?"

This reminds me of my own (long) discussion of the phrase "creepy ass cracker," back in 2013:

"I'd like to know whether perhaps Trayvon Martin perceived Zimmerman as a person of color and not a white man at all. You assume that there's no way he'd say "cracker" if he didn't see him as white? But he didn't say "cracker." He said "creepy ass cracker." I understand the use of "ass" as an intensifier connected to the adjective "creepy." Creepy-ass cracker, as in very creepy cracker. But "ass" could go with "cracker" — "ass-cracker." The conversation continued, according to Jeantel: "So... he told me the man was looking at him, so I had to think it might have been a rapist." Why rapist? A man raping a man? How common is that as a fear? But it was the first thing Jeantel thought to say after he said creepy-ass cracker/creepy ass-cracker. The term "ass cracker" could easily mean a man who rapes a man, especially one who goes after a teenaged boy....."

Ann Althouse said...

Rereading the post after writing the previous comment, I'm thinking the phrase "the textbook edgelord ally’s arrogance" is confusing. So many words and no commas or hyphens. Is it a textbook edgelord or a textbook ally? Presumably, Chappelle sees himself as an ally of LGBTQ people and he's arrogant about that and he's arrogant as an ally in the way that a textbook edgelord is. Or is there a concept "edgelord ally" and he's a textbook example of that?

Birches said...

This post and the comments are the most Boomer thing I'm going to read today. You all make me feel young. Thank you.

phantommut said...


No one knows what it's like
To be hated
To be fated
To telling only lies

But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, only lonely
My love is vengeance that's never free


Nothing new under the sun. I can't wait to watch "Closer." All the right people want to shut it down, so it must be worth a look.

God of the Sea People said...

I'm on the cusp between Gen-X and millennial and spent a lot of my formative years online, and the term "edge lord" goes back for as far as I can remember. Basically any time someone expresses a banal opinion that you can tell that will upset or shock or offend, and it seems pretty obvious they are deploying it in a way that they secretly hope will make people think they are an iconoclast or an out-of-the-box thinker, you can bring them back down to earth by calling them an edgelord, or some variation of that. "Watch out, don't cut yourself on that edge!"

See also "shitlord" or "shitposting" which typically has more to do with meme posting. Actually, the first time I ever heard "shitlord" was in reference to some fat-shaming subreddit where the posters called themselves "shitlords" and called the objects of their vitriol "ham planets."

tim in vermont said...

"Or is there a concept "edgelord ally" and he's a textbook example of that?"

The grammar text that I bought, after you brought me around on sentence diagramming, says that "textbook-edgelord" should be hyphenated or "edgelord-ally," depending on which noun phrase the writer intended. I have acquired something of a convert's zeal where grammar is involved, these days. I guess New York Magazine is not The New Yorker.

tim in vermont said...

"Ass-cracker' was obviously a slur on gay men by context. So much of the left's propaganda comes from weaponizing the ambiguities of English, especially spoken English where the punctuation is left up to the transcriber. It was one of Trump's major flaws that he expressed himself in language that was child's play to twist into meanings that he and his audience knew he never intended.

They do it with their own language, using phrases that imply one thing, but are only technically correct if considered in the light of another of the array of possible meanings the phrase might have. The "95% of scientists believe in global warming" is technically true, but the number of scientists working in the field who believe that it is leading to catastrophe is far lower. It is far from "settled science" but it is "settled narrative."

Narr said...

So it was an old ass topic. I'm still a tyro here--only a few years in.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

He speaks about Black and queer struggles as if they are strictly in competition, not always entangled.

IOW, Chapelle's not an idiot.

it's "Victimhood Olympics", and the only way your status rises is by being more of a "victim" than everyone else.

So yes, "queer struggles" and "Black struggles" are strictly in competition. The only reason why the New York Magazine writer is complaining about Chapelle is because the writer is on the "queer struggles" side

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Rereading the post after writing the previous comment, I'm thinking the phrase "the textbook edgelord ally’s arrogance" is confusing. So many words and no commas or hyphens. Is it a textbook edgelord or a textbook ally? Presumably, Chappelle sees himself as an ally of LGBTQ people and he's arrogant about that and he's arrogant as an ally in the way that a textbook edgelord is. Or is there a concept "edgelord ally" and he's a textbook example of that?

One of the "blessed types" of people in Leftist though is the "ally". You're whiter than the snow in a Wisconsin field? Then you can be a "bipoc ally"!
So the writer is calling him a "edgelord ally", and saying he engages in "textbook" behavior for such a person.

Because to be on the Left is to be a mentally constricted loser