The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.
"We have a National Guard standing by that if the general for the National Guard needs additional help, we're there to do it," Meadows said. "But today, that request was denied by the governor."
The Democratic governor deployed the National Guard to Kenosha on Monday and doubled the size of the deployment to 250 on Tuesday. On Tuesday, Evers did speak with both Meadows and Trump but Meadows was offering help from the Department of Homeland Security, not the National Guard, according to the Evers administration. Evers declined because more Guard members were already been sent there....
“Everyone should be able to exercise their fundamental right — whether a protester or member of the press — peacefully and safely,” [Evers] said in a statement. “We cannot allow the cycle of systemic racism and injustice to continue. We also cannot continue going down this path of damage and destruction.”
Also
at the Journal Sentinel this morning:
Kenosha Police said early Wednesday morning that two people had been shot and killed and a third injured during protests over the shooting of Jacob Blake.... The shooting came on the third night of violent protests that have torn through Kenosha after a police officer shot Blake from behind at close range while he was getting in a vehicle. Since then, buildings have been burned, windows smashed out and stores looted.
ADDED: I’d like to see descriptions of what the National Guard were doing in Kenosha last night. There were 250? Why wasn't that effective?
Today, I see:
In a letter Wednesday, Kenosha County Board Chairman John O’Day and Vice Chairwoman Monica Yuhas specifically requested 1,500 National Guard members with police powers to be sent to Kenosha County. The members wrote on behalf of the county board, stating that the “county is in a state of emergency” and the extra law enforcement is needed to “preserve and save” the region.
“Our county is under attack,” the board wrote in the letter. “Our businesses are under attack. Our homes are under attack. Our local law enforcement agencies need additional support to help bring civility back to our community.”
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- that is from friend of a friend
Let's be clear about this: when a city or multiple cities in your state are out of control and you are losing, or have lost control of the one thing you are hired to do- provide for the security of your citizenry- when the Federal Government calls and offers help, you gladly accept any and all of it.
Unless you are making a political statement.
In the case of the Governors of Washington, Oregon, California, Michigan, Wisconsin, New York, and Illinois- they are all floundering and making bad decisions on either Covid or riots or both. And in ALL cases, they have chosen to make their decisions based on how it would appear to go against Trump, even if it actually works against their own citizens.
If ever there was a case for a giant house cleaning of Democrats- this year is it.
Because the Democrat media fail to report these crimes, including Portland, I talk to people every day who watch TV and read papers and do not know this is happening. They will tell me that these protests are confined to a small area and the rioting has stopped.
The Russians dream they could interfere with a Presidential election on this scale.
I'm hearing the Mayor requested 750 National Guard. Ever's said "Nah, you'll get 250 and you'll like it".
How crazy is it that.
There should be 3,000 National Guard troops in Kenosha tonight and for the next week.
And the mayor should declare martial law.
Everyone should be able to exercise their fundamental right to arson, peacefully and safely.
Hold tight, wait 'til the party's over
Hold tight, we're in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the house
Here's your ticket, pack your bag, it's time for jumping overboard
The transportation is here
Close enough but not too far, maybe you know where you are
Fighting fire with fire, ah!
Don Lemon says the rioting is showing up in the polling. What polling you ask? Lemon must mean the polling you're not allowed to see. Rasmussen has one at noon...
Sounds like all we need to stop the rioting is a few polls...
Wisconsin, you have the government you deserve. Help yourself.
Gov Evers:
"Everyone should be able to exercise their fundamental right " — 'to burn down private property, scorch public property, to terrorize and act out in accordance to their righteous Marxist rage...
because we stand shoulder to shoulder in our Trump hate, and watching it all burn down is totally worth it. Even if these businesses are owned by blacks and even if the mother of the guy who was shot by police (for reaching for his gun) is asking everyone to grow up and begging everyone to stop.'
fify
We were lied to about Jacob Blake too. https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1298617022641852418
Kenosha Police said early Wednesday morning that two people had been shot and killed and a third injured during protests over the shooting of Jacob Blake
I guess those two lives don't matter, whether they are black or not.
Ken B - Indeed
"Dispatch audio reveals that the leftist narrative about Jacob Blake trying to break up a fight was a lie
He was trespassing and took a woman's keys, cops were advised he had a warrant for a felony and two misdemeanors"
&
"[Jacob Blake] had a warrant for raping a 14 year old girl. He fought cops and resisted arrest, walked to his car and reached under the seat. Why do BLM enablers protect violent criminals and rapists."
Won't hear about that from the hack-D press.
Existential is out and systemic is is. Big time. But just as there is no existential threat to anything there is no systemic racism.
The Progressives don't want Donald Trump to help, so they would rather let their cities burn to the ground...so they can turn around and blame him for their inactions.
"a police officer shot Blake from behind at close range while he was getting in a vehicle."
Not exactly a fair summary of what occurred.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Governor Evers, and that stupid waste of DNA Jay Inslee, will be first in line looking for federal aid, and blaming Trump.
WisRich
Got a link? If true that could destroy Evers.
It appears, Althouse, that you now live in a shithole state.
Welcome to the club.
Apparently Scott Walker could not be persuaded to comment.
Mark O said...
Because the Democrat media fail to report these crimes, including Portland, I talk to people every day who watch TV and read papers and do not know this is happening. They will tell me that these protests are confined to a small area and the rioting has stopped.
I was surprised that the business owners that had their businesses destroyed on the 2nd night were surprised and dumbfounded as to what happened and why.
It's like they had no clue as to what took place in the town the day before. Obviously local news is doing a bang-up job.
1) Evers is a weasel.
2) Every year, 600,000 or so armed men (mostly men) go forth into the woods and fields of Wisconsin to kill some deer. The population of Wisconsin is around 6 million. Therefore at least 1/5th of adult men in the state have at least 1 rifle AND go hunting. How many more just own a gun and don't hunting? More than nearly all standing armies in the world.
3) Rioters already dead. More will be dead soon.
Hard to distinguish right from wrong hey Governor?
More in-kind donations to the RNC.
Its obvious the shooting of Blake was more than just a white cop shooting a black man in front of witnesses for the fun of it. It'd be nice if more facts would come out soon. It might damp down on the violence. They need to release the body cam footage.
Democrats have lost it.
Everyone should be able to exercise their fundamental right — whether a protester or member of the press — peacefully and safely,” [Evers] said in a statement. “We cannot allow the cycle of systemic racism and injustice to continue.
And the media is abetting them.
The shooting came on the third night of violent protests that have torn through Kenosha after a police officer shot Blake from behind at close range while he was getting in a vehicle.
Too bad the people of Wisconsin have to suffer in order to learn that.
Don't know why Evers seemed to justify the rioting and threw gas on the fire by blaming the cops before the facts were known. Nor do I understand why he's turn down Federal help. It seems obvious that having too few National Guardsmen is a much bigger problem than having too many.
Will anyone remember this when he runs for reelection?
Got a link? If true that could destroy Evers.
https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/two-killed-in-kenosha-riots-gov-evers-turns-down-federal-help/article_83868faa-2cf5-5624-9594-efa0e8ced5ed.html
Somewhere Scott Walker is smiling. Somewhere warm, judging by the palm trees in the background when he was interviewed on a political show last Sunday.
This is another example of people getting what they voted for - good and hard. Will they ever learn? Magic Eight Ball says: "Outlook not so good."
As I pointed out yesterday, Sheriff David Clarke said 1,000 Guardsmen at a MINIMUM would be required to help control the situation in Kenosha. Who the hell is advising Evers? Is he ignoring legitimate law enforcement advice in order to be a political hack? Wake up Wisconsin.
Martial Law!
"Blogger Narayanan said...
"his buddy said there were cars coming in with no license plates"
Such should be immediately confiscated, and held to proper registration takes place.
Apparently, Jacob Blake’s mother is the only Democrat (probability would have it) calling for a cessation of the violence and riots in Wisconsin.
Shootings in Kenosha....Roof Top Kenoshans
When the government refuses or is incapable of protecting the citizens, they WILL take matters into their own hands.
Is anyone surprised by this? Does anyone blame those who are fighting for their lives and livelihoods?
Good for them!! It is about time. Stand up to to mobs.
Get what you vote for, good and hard.
It is going to get worse before it gets better, armed clashes between civilian groups are coming. Private citizens are banding together to defend luves and property and will soon be squaring off with the organized looters and insurrectionists.
The only saving grace for the country is that this is all happening in deep blue areas, the dems are facing a reckoning if they refuse to stand up and defend their peace desiring citizens.
rcocean said...
Its obvious the shooting of Blake was more than just a white cop shooting a black man in front of witnesses for the fun of it. It'd be nice if more facts would come out soon. It might damp down on the violence. They need to release the body cam footage.
How many times do we have to go through this until people figure it out?
They can't release any information until the narrative becomes a fact set in stone. Only then can they release the facts so they can be dismissed as a cover-up.
Hands up, don't shoot, bitches!
The video of the incident is very hard to sort out, but it appears the shooting occurred in the midst of a scene where the shooter was being chased (before shooting) and fell. The mob appeared to descend on him on the ground to violently attack him. The rest of the video is impossible for my old eyes to interpret.
Mogadishu on Lake Michigan.
“Kenosha Police said early Wednesday morning that two people had been shot and killed and a third injured during protests over the shooting of Jacob Blake”
“I guess those two lives don't matter, whether they are black or not.”
Apparently they didn’t matter to the “militia group” member that shot one man in the head in a car repair shop parking lot and then when he was chased by numerous witnesses, he killed another by shooting him in the stomach and another one he didn’t kill but injured by blowing off half of his arm. The shooter was one of about 10 militia members patrolling the streets of Kenosha.
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“The shootings came after a confrontation between protesters and armed men who said they were protecting a gas station, the New York Times reported. Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that police are searching for a man seen in video footage holding a long gun. “I feel very confident we’ll have him in a very short time,” Beth said. Shots were fired around 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, police said. After the first shots, a young White man carrying a rifle began running north on Sheridan Road, away from a crowd of protesters. Video shows the armed man fall to the ground and then fire multiple rounds into the crowd. Two more people fell to the ground, one shot in the arm and the other in the chest, the Journal Sentinel reported. Another graphic video shows a man with blood running down the back of his neck and bystanders shouting that he had been shot in the head. Carol Badoni from Burlington, Wis., started CPR on one wounded man. His girlfriend said his name is Ben.
Beth told the Times that investigators are looking into the armed men in front of the gas station, who were recorded before the shooting arguing with protesters. One of the men told The Washington Post that he was there to stop people from breaking into local businesses, noting that he had seen rumors online about pipe bombs being used.
From the start of Tuesday’s protests, armed civilians were evident in the crowd, bearing handguns, AR-15-style rifles, knives and military flak jackets. In interviews, they declined to give their full names. Like some others, Dennis, 22, from Racine, Wis., said he showed up with his pistol to protect himself and other protesters.”
WaPo
you fucked your "12"
... now no one's got your "6"
Do the maff.
Libs too stupid by half.
are the Dem's not seeing the "post-riot bounce" in the polls?
Apparently, Jacob Blake’s mother is the only Democrat (probability would have it) calling for a cessation of the violence and riots in Wisconsin.
I time travel in my machine to teach those in the past about the future:
"Where did the war start, like the shooting and stuff?"
"Kenosha."
"Kenosha? Get out..."
I get very concerned when I see republicans say they are glad this is happening because it helps Trump.
When both democrats and republicans are glad cities are burning because it helps them politically, we as a nation are beyond fucked.
So Evers would rather the looting, burning and killing continue. Gotcha.
"WisRich
Got a link? If true that could destroy Evers."
Destroy Evers? Isn't Kenosha one of the purplest regions in our closely divided state? It's possible that those voters will be the ones selecting our next president.
pparently they didn’t matter to the “militia group” member that shot one man in the head in a car repair shop parking lot and then when he was chased by numerous witnesses, he killed another by shooting him in the stomach and another one he didn’t kill but injured by blowing off half of his arm. The shooter was one of about 10 militia members patrolling the streets of Kenosha.
You know how to avoid getting shot by people defending their property?
Don't be looting and rioting and trying to burn down their stuff.
Easy Peasy.
Howard said...
Martial Law!
Howard likes arson and violent riots as long as they are a thousand miles from his white suburb.
Inga does not understand that this is the logical result of failed Democrat policies.
What I believe is to this day the deadliest collision (14 dead) between a train and an automobile in the US happened on February 23, 1930, (just east of) one block from where Blake was shot near the intersection of 40th Street and 28th Avenue. The collision was about at the northwest corner of the golf course behind 28th, where the former Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee crossed Washington Road. The interurban train, which derailed, was southbound heading in its former right-of-way along what is today the western edge of the golf course, and so the front of it may have ended up even nearer to the shooting site.
And Kenosha was literally tied up with our third deadliest maritime disaster, in a way that might annoy those occultists who claim to serve ravenous disaster spirits that supposedly need to be well fed with death:
Earlier that morning, the tug Kenosha had been tied to the bow of the Eastland in preparation for towing it out onto Lake Michigan. Upon watching the Eastland roll into the Chicago River, Captain John O’Meara ordered his tug be secured to the wharf to form a bridge between the overturned hull of the Eastland and the safety of the wharf. Due to the quick and decisive actions taken by O’Meara and his crew, the survival rate of the passengers significantly increased.
Does the NYT and Washington Post have reporters on the ground in Wisconsin? At Night?
No?
Then why would anyone use them as a source?
Heard it from a friend who...heard it from a friend who...heard it from another you've been messing around.
Militia guys with rifles are not a good addition to the volatile mixture. But let's be clear that they're not the ones responsible for the riots; they joined what someone else had already started, and authorities had refused to stop. If you want to avoid riots and bloodshed, then respond strongly and immediately to stop them. Get the rioters and the militia boys off the streets. That is the only thing that works. Mewling about racism and social justice can come after you have acted to stop the riot.
If that's too much to stomach, prepare to become Portland: lawless and unsafe for ordinary citizens.
the “militia group” member that shot one man in the head in a car repair shop parking lot and then when he was chased by numerous witnesses
Chased by witnesses, that's what you're going with?
Democrat leaders in WI, IL, WA and OR are making it pretty clear what the real message is: Vote for Joe, or watch your cities burn for 4 more years.
Well, 250 troops wasn’t bad for Evers. I’ll bet his first impulse was to send in 50 social workers. Anyway, he doesn’t have anything to worry about. The Milwaukee JS will go all out to protect him from any fallout.
PJMedia is reporting that a millita group calling themselves the Kenosha Guards are planning on showing up to "protect" property in Kenosha tonight. They claim they will be bringing in 3000 members.
LINK (Scroll down to the bottom)
https://twitter.com/after_theaction/status/1298210964018429952
Inga - you provide a cite for the "confrontation", but none that the man had already shot someone before he started running.
Surely that's merely an oversight, and not a blatant intentional lie.
Surely you will provide a cite for the incendiary claim.
Tony’s only concern is whether Democrats are wearing masks as they torch Wisconsin cities.
"PJMedia is reporting that a millita group calling themselves the Kenosha Guards are planning on showing up to "protect" property in Kenosha tonight. They claim they will be bringing in 3000 members."
This is why, Evers, you send in the National Guard, in large numbers, at the beginning. Fool.
Well, good. Wisconsin is now a safe Trump state.
Yes, the national media may be hiding the truth. But *everyone* in Wisconsin will know that Tony Evers sided with the rioters.
I hadn't realized that Evers is an educrat, just like Minnesota Dictator Walz.
Wonder if any Wisconsinites commenting here are ok with paying the salary of this professor?
"If you’re going out tonight in Madison or Kenosha, please don’t video tape folks doing anything illegal…”
"That’s the advice of Dr. Sami Schalk, another radical professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, to the “peaceful” protesters who tore up the two cities in a second night of rioting.
"“[W]ear black, wear shoes you can run in bring water, masks, phone battery, snacks. Stick with the group. Don’t leave comrades behind... I’ll be doing support from home tonight & monitoring my people. Good luck.”"
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/25/wisconsin-professor-taxpayers-pay-six-figure-salary-cheers-rioters-on-twitter/
I worry about systemic arson.
Sherriff Beth is butthurt that the people he is sworn to protect are taking up arms to defend themselves and their city after he failed miserably to uphold his sworn duty. “They’re a militia," Beth said. "They’re like a vigilante group.”
Well, yes. You abdicated and allowed armed insurrectionists to set your city on fire. Of course somebody stepped in to the vacuum left by your fecklessness and cowardice.
Do your job.
A reminder to any citizens of Kenosha County: Sheriff is an elected position in most counties.
"Its obvious the shooting of Blake was more than just a white cop shooting a black man in front of witnesses for the fun of it. It'd be nice if more facts would come out soon. It might damp down on the violence. They need to release the body cam footage."
Tucker last night claimed the WI AG (democrat) refused to answer the question as to whether Blake had a gun in the car.
"I get very concerned when I see republicans say they are glad this is happening because it helps Trump."
No, that's the cherry on top of the crap sundae.
Since then, buildings have been burned, windows smashed out and stores looted.
Reverend Johnson: Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving.
[one of the townspeople refuses to budge and reminds the pastor that he's not going to let some rustlers chase him and the others out of town.]
Reverend Johnson: ...So, to close this meeting, let us read from the Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke... [a bundle of dynamite is tossed into the church through a stained-glass window] ...and DUCK! [explosion]
The first amendment covers speech, but large groups of people blocking public streets is not a valid exercise of the first amendment unless they have received a permit for doing so. Harassing other people and trying to intimidate them is also not a valid exercise of first amendment rights.
rcocean said...
Its obvious the shooting of Blake was more than just a white cop shooting a black man in front of witnesses for the fun of it. It'd be nice if more facts would come out soon. It might damp down on the violence. They need to release the body cam footage.
Kenosha (Mayor is a D, don't know about the city council) doesn't have body cams for its cops.
Don't know why Evers seemed to justify the rioting and threw gas on the fire by blaming the cops before the facts were known
The Democrats have decided that this year they have to get blacks riled up about the Police, otherwise too many of them will stay at home / vote for Trump. This is the way they're going about doing it.
The problem they're running in to is that "suburban wine moms" don't like riots, and they're discovering that the cost of these riots, in the polling, is greater than the payoff.
Going to be fun watching what they try next, because I don't think they can stuff this genie back into the bottle before Nov 3.
Later... the city is flooded... catastrophically warmed, a veritable climate change, men, women, children, and not babies, and their little dogs, too, at risk, and they, he didn't help us.
In 2016, Kenosha County was 46.85% Trump, 46.52% Clinton. The vote margin was less than what Jill Stein got.
robother said...
Democrat leaders in WI, IL, WA and OR are making it pretty clear what the real message is: Vote for Joe, or watch your cities burn for 4 more years.
Well, the correct message, which the voters are starting to get, is "Vote for Joe, and watch your suburbs burn for the rest of your life"
"The sheriff’s office is investigating whether the shooting stemmed from a conflict between protestors and a group of men with weapons who were protecting businesses."
Media twist:
"A group of men protecting businesses" = "Militia"
The sheriff’s office is investigating whether the shooting stemmed from a conflict between protestors and a group of men with weapons who were protecting businesses.
Media bend the narrative:
Men with weapons protecting local businesses from rioting, looting and arson = "Militia"
***How dare you protect your property! You must let leftwing brownshirts torch the place.
Gun Control means hitting what you aim at
Several white rioters were shot with rifles in Kenosha, two fatally. Antifa eventually called in the police to assist a white wounded rioter. Those are the only known facts.
“They’re a militia," Beth said. "They’re like a vigilante group.”
"Like a"? I guess you're really going to be unhappy when an actual real-life vigilante group shows up, then, aren't you? So- what did you expect? That people would just sit still and watch their lives burned down?
What a maroon.
Wondering if Russia Russia Inga has anything to say about the rioters who are burning private property to the ground?
"The sheriff’s office is investigating whether the shooting stemmed from a conflict between protestors and a group of men with weapons who were protecting businesses."
-- Seems to me if they were protecting their property, then self-defense is a valid claim. My understanding is the shooting happened AFTER a molotov or similar incendiary device was thrown at the shooter. If true, well, that'll be a quick investigation.
Blogger wendybar said...
The Progressives don't want Donald Trump to help, so they would rather let their cities burn to the ground...so they can turn around and blame him for their inactions.
8/26/20, 9:07 AM
Sadly, I do believe there are a significant number of people who 'know' that Trump is the reason all the bad things are happening.
Apparently Scott Walker could not be persuaded to comment.
What about Ben Wikler? Perhaps Althouse can get a comment out of him?
In the meantime, let's see what he's been Tweeting:
Honestly, maybe Barron is not the most crucial Trump in the household to talk to about social media behavior
I'm having the "wait it's Tuesday, not Friday?! How is that possible?!" thing, except it's re "it can't only NIGHT TWO of the RNC"
So agree with this point. And the weird thing about it strategically is that when viewers turn off the TV, the pandemic will still be transforming every aspect of their lives. There's no wishing it away.
Apparently the one person aware of the pandemic in the White House is the First Lady
Apparently the one person unaware of the looting and rioting in his home state is Ben Wikler.
Inga whines:
Apparently they didn’t matter to the “militia group” member that shot one man in the head in a car repair shop parking lot and then when he was chased by numerous witnesses, he killed another by shooting him in the stomach and another one he didn’t kill but injured by blowing off half of his arm. The shooter was one of about 10 militia members patrolling the streets of Kenosha.
Hi Inga:
1: No, the lives of rioters don't matter
2: There were no "protesters" in Kenosha last night. There were violent rioting thugs, and there were decent human beings trying to stop the thugs
3: Kenosha isn't the big city, so there's two ways this can go.
Either the cops can arrest the rioters, throw them in jail, and keep them there until all the rioting stops
Or the citizens of Kenosha will shoot the rioters until they stop rioting.
You have the right to peacefully assemble to petition the government for redress of grievances. Graffiti, burning, breaking windows is not "peaceful". SO long as you're not peaceful, we don't give a damn about your grievances
Media twist:
"A group of men protecting businesses" = "Militia"
So now they agree the Second Amendment applies to individuals?
Good to know.
“Inga - you provide a cite for the "confrontation", but none that the man had already shot someone before he started running.
Surely that's merely an oversight, and not a blatant intentional lie.
Surely you will provide a cite for the incendiary claim.”
Cellphone video of at least two of the shootings that was posted online shows a young man with a rifle jogging down the middle of a street as a crowd and some police officers follow him. Someone in the crowd can be heard asking, “What did he do?” and another person responds that the man had shot someone.
The man with the gun stumbles and falls, and as he is approached by people in the crowd, he fires three or four shots from a seated position, hitting at least two people, including one who falls over and another who stumbles away to cries of “Medic! Medic!”
A witness, Julio Rosas, 24, said that when the gunman stumbled and fell, “two people jumped onto him and there was a struggle for control of his rifle. At that point during the struggle, he just began to fire multiple rounds and that dispersed people near him.”
We were all chanting ‘Black lives matter’ at the gas station and then we heard, boom, boom, and I told my friend, `‘That’s not fireworks,’” said Scott, 19. “And then this guy with this huge gun runs by us in the middle of the street and people are yelling, ‘He shot someone! He shot someone!’ And everyone is trying to fight the guy, chasing him and then he started shooting again.””
"A group of men protecting businesses" = "Militia"
I think it's a fair description. Militias exist where lawful authority doesn't, or where lawful authority simply abdicates.
Media twist:
"A group of men protecting businesses" = "Militia""
Yeah, what bullshit. When government won't protect you, what the hell else are you supposed to do?
"Video shows the armed man fall to the ground and then fire multiple rounds into the crowd."
The video I have seen, which I have linked above, shows him shooting two people who attacked him while he was lying on the ground. There is no "crowd", there are multiple unarmed idiots chasing a man with an AR-15. The smartest member of the pack suddenly remembers a movie he once saw where, confronted with a weapon, a person held up his bands and backed slowly away. That one did not get a bullet to remember the evening by.
Russian Collusion and Carter Page is a russian spy Dead Ender Inga: "Apparently they didn’t matter to the “militia group” member that shot one man in the head in a car repair shop parking lot and then when he was chased by numerous witnesses, he killed another by shooting him in the stomach and another one he didn’t kill but injured by blowing off half of his arm."
LOL
Unfortunately for Inga and Howard (hey Howard, what happened to your "heroes" last night?) there is video of the idiot violent looting rioters doing what they do best (their only real "skillset") and violently going after those people that were trying to protect businesses while armed.
The guy shot in the gut was chasing after the dude with the weapon who was running away and then tripped which let the violent mob descend upon him at which time he decided to not become the next Reginald Denny and fired into the gut of Howard's Hero who went down hard, permanent like.
So here's a cool tip for Inga and Howard and their heroic marxist maoist revolutionaries attacking people and looting businesses and burning down cities: Don't.
We told you pushback was on the way by people who were not going to sit idly by and allow you morons to destroy everything....and now it has begun.
Enjoy the new rules, because remember, they are your rules.
If some asshole leftist brownshirted terrorist attempted to burn down MY property - they would be met with bullets.
The Democrat party supports violence, looting, arson and intimidation. They have a buncha liars and enablers who assist.
hombre: "Apparently, Jacob Blake’s mother is the only Democrat (probability would have it) calling for a cessation of the violence and riots in Wisconsin."
Because she knows her son had an outstanding warrant for raping a 14 year old (no Inga, not a "spark of divinity" rape that you so often defend, but an actual rape-rape of a 14 year old) when he also stole a woman's keys and then fought police who showed up after being called to the scene, then refused to follow any lawful police orders, then walked back to his car after being repeatedly told to stop, then opened the car door and then reached under the seat.
Other than that this accused rapist of a 14 year old was simply being the kind of chap that Inga and Howard respect and admire.
The 14 year old girl who was raped? According to Inga and Howard, no biggee.
Browndog said...
I get very concerned when I see republicans say they are glad this is happening because it helps Trump.
When both democrats and republicans are glad cities are burning because it helps them politically, we as a nation are beyond fucked.
Until the Left's power in America is destroyed, we'd f'ed. They are all evil racist pigs, bullying thugs who worship nothing but their own power, and have no moral scruples or human decency.
They are showing themselves in the destruction. I am very happy that they are showing themselves to the idiots in the middle, and that the idiots are finally figuring out that teh Left is a threat to them, and all their hopes and dreams.
What do I want? I want the city and State governments to immediately shut down all riots. I want them to arrest anyone in the vicinity of any violent or destructive act who isn't obviously a victim, throw them in jail, and leave them there for at least a week before letting them post bail.
Anyone who's arrested a second tiem? They go in for a month.
Committing violence during a political protest is an act of domestic terrorism, and should be treated as such.
I am sad that teh Democrats have decided to side with domestic terrorists against America.
I'm very happy that it's helping their opponents
"“I think maybe Joe Biden may be afraid to do it. I’m not sure. Maybe he won’t, maybe he is. He’s got to address it. He’s got to come out and talk about it."--Don Lemon
Don Lemon, speaking about the riots Inga and Howard say don't exist.
Except when Inga and Howard say the riots do exist, but only because of republicans and boogaloo-ers.
After which Inga and Howard return to saying the riots do not exist.
Which doesn't last long because now the polls show the people are angry about the democraticals support for destruction of the cities and suburbs so now the riots DO exist again and, voila(!), its the republicans fault again!
To paraphrase a popular movie: The democraticals "logic" is indeed dizzying.
Instapundit: "The whole point of leftist politics is to give people an excuse to feel good about being mean."
"I’ll be doing support from home tonight & monitoring my people."
-- Of course they will; because they'd rather other people run the real risks of the revolution. They'll be the ones deciding who gets lined up against the wall, not the one being lined up or pulling the triggers.
Rasmussen has one at noon...
...and it has Biden up by 1 point
Zogby has Trump approval at 52%, the highest ever showing for Trump by Zogby.
All completely predictable, and I do remember telling Ann it was going to happen, specifically where she lives.
It's a perfect storm.
"Going to be fun watching what they try next, because I don't think they can stuff this genie back into the bottle before Nov 3."
Governors and mayors who have failed their constituencies by allowing riots to occur will not be able to handle it without asking for help from Orange Julius Caesar, and they can't be seen doing that.
And before one of the resident lefty imbeciles chimes in on this point, he won't violate posse comitatus, so save it.
To Inga, an armed citizen protecting his property is a "militia."
If the mobs ever come to her street, Inga will be cowering under her bed, hoping the BLM sign in her yard will protect her and praying to Gaia for the "militia" to save her sorry old ass.
But until then, since it's someone else's property getting wrecked, what does she care? Her shriveled heart goes out to the thugs.
Why aren't the arsonists described as a vigilante group?
“We cannot allow the cycle of systemic racism and injustice to continue. We also cannot continue going down this path of damage and destruction.”
"We" will keep going down that path as long as the cycle of prog systemic racism BS continues.
"The rioters don't understand why business owners would be upset to see their whole life's work go up in flames because the rioters have never done anything of value in their entire lives. They simply can't relate to the feelings of productive humans."
Shorter corrupt collective D-hack press/ democrat party platform:
you must allow leftwing antifa terrorists to torch your property.
The only "systemic" issue here is blacks' apparent complete inability to follow simple instructions from LEOs.
Perhaps its cuz of that big fucking chip on each of their shoulders.
News from Kenosha. Democrats really, really suck. Really. Thank you, Governor Evers.
Remember, middle class Americans: Democrats hate you and your values. They. hate. you.
It'd be nice if more facts would come out soon. It might damp down on the violence.
Right, just like the facts about George Floyd's fentanyl overdose (and non-asphyxiation from any external source) damped down the riots. (And yes, that information was available early on.)
Facts are racist.
The pushback from armed citizens is now getting started. You will see more of this until the rioting and the looting stops. People won't just continuously watch the governors, mayors, and police management not doing their jobs in protecting property. Evers is demonstrating beyond all doubt that he is completely and utterly incompetent as a governor. He could have stopped all of this the very first night- any idiot could see what was coming- you didn't have to wait until after the first night of rioting and looting to send the National Guard, and, yet, Evers ends up sending far too few and all without any orders or means of stopping the second night of rioting and looting. The citizens got fucking fed up and started shooting some of them themselves. This will only get worse if the governor doesn't fucking stand up and do his fucking job.
Let's be clear about this: when a city or multiple cities in your state are out of control and you are losing, or have lost control of the one thing you are hired to do- provide for the security of your citizenry- when the Federal Government calls and offers help, you gladly accept any and all of it.
Unless you are making a political statement.
The Dem mayors/governors are really in a bind here. They can't very well accept help from Orange Man, and they can't really stop the rioting themselves...what are they going to do, shoot people down like dogs in the street, on live TV? Yeah, that'll look good at re-election time.
Their only option (in their view) is to let the whole thing play out, even if the rioters torch a build or two...hundred. Maybe the monster will go away before it eats them.
Just because some hear "militia" and think lawless vigilantes is no reason to fear or dismiss them.
They are Constitutional and, as you can plainly see, necessary.
Althouse, if you don’t vote for Trump this time, you’re mad. The end result of unchecked liberalism is on full display in your city and state. Time to admit it.
Greg The Class Traitor: "Vote for Joe, and watch your suburbs burn for the rest of your life."
Even CNN was saying that Biden needs to call for cessation of the violence last night. Could be a trap for Joe. If his calls for violence and looting to stop has no effect, that will confirm the message Greg's suburban moms hear. (Based on the null effect belated calls for violence to stop by Democrat leaders in Chicago, Seattle and Portland, that's the way to bet.)
This is your city with Antifa.
Any questions?
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!
1:19 PM · Aug 26, 2020
This could all have been avoided if nice social workers instead of cops were sent to respond to the Jacob Blake incident.....RIGHT?
They could have talked him down w/o further incident... RIGHT?
They could have ignored Blake's priors and the outstanding warrant for his arrest and sent him on his merry way....RIGHT?
snort
Hard to distinguish right from wrong hey Governor?
He's a Democrat. He's morally impaired. He's willing to cause loss and pain of lesser members of our society for the new order.
Ya gotta break some weggs to make an omelet.
From Inga's WaPo quote: There were armed civilians in the crowd [of protesters]...."Like some others, Dennis from Racine, said he showed up with his pistol to protect himself and other protesters."
Videos of the protesters from previous nights showed showed firearms in the protesting crowds. In fact, the guy who got his arm half shot off had a pistol. But with the dems/media, there is only outrage against "militias" attempting to protect property. The antifa types were busy destroying cars in the business's lot when the first shots were fired, but that gets a pass.
So it sounds like there are actually opposing armed militias. Yet our half-wit governor believes that a couple hundred guardsmen in front the courthouse is enough to prevent all hell from breaking loose.
diff angles and timeline of shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=rdMTghlrFiw&feature=emb_title
Browndog,
I know of nobody who is cheering the riots except Democratics.
My solution would be opening fire with live rounds against the rioters.
A few shots, well placed, would discourage the current lawlessness.
That's the easiest path.
The other path is beating people senseless and arresting them.
But the Democratics' DAs will not prosecute effectively, or in some cases at all.
And the feds have limited resources to initiate their own prosecutions.
(I think RICO should be applied to the rioters, personally.)
So what solutions do you anticipate?
Evers talked in off the ledge and security on its way...
shifting...A busy time in some newsrooms...
...mobilizing to write the stories on how the Trump administration failed at the response to two hurricanes that will soon be hitting US.
-Sharyl Attkisson
17-Year-old Suspect Charged With Murder After Two Killed at Kenosha Protest
“Kyle Rittenhouse, a rifle-toting teenage Blue Lives Matter fan suspected of fatally shooting at least two people and injuring another during protests in Kenosha over the shooting of Jacob Blake, has been charged with murder.
Rittenhouse, 17, was arrested in Illinois and faces charges of first-degree intentional homicide, according to Lake County, Illinois Clerk of Courts public records.
So far, he is labeled a “fugitive from justice” in the complaint, which states that the teenager “fled the state of Wisconsin with intent to avoid prosecution for that offense.” He’s been assigned a public defender and is scheduled to appear at an extradition hearing on Aug. 28, according to court records.
A gunman shot one person in the head and another in the chest around 11:45 p.m. Tuesday amid another night of violent unrest in Kenosha. Videos circulating on social media showed an armed man falling to the ground, then firing at people who seemed to be making an attempt to disarm him.”
Imagine if you were one of the 250 guardsmen sent out to keep order, when the mayor asked for 1500. If you were their commander, would you put them directly in harms way when you know they don't have enough manpower? Isn't it far more likely that the NG are going to start shooting when the rioters get out of hand? Is that what Evers wants?
MLK and Gandhi were know-nothing assholes.
Media: It's OK to torch the place. It's not oK to fight back.
"Videos circulating on social media showed an armed man falling to the ground, then firing at people who seemed to be making an attempt to disarm him.”
-- Do you think leaving out the part the reason the armed person fell was because they were being chased and had had something thrown at them might be unfair? The fact this report leaves out that the kid was *being chased by an angry mob, who earlier in the protest had thrown things at people, including bricks* makes me question why they even bothered to report on it.
Maybe the kid made a mistake; the people who attacked a child and then chased them when the child attempted to retreat definitely did.
liberalism is dysfunctional and destructive
Why wouldnt/shouldnt blue cities be reduced
to smoldering piles of "detroitus"?
Antifa should be designated a Terrorist group.
You do not negotiate with terrorists.
"@realDonaldTrump
...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!
1:19 PM · Aug 26, 2020"
Did Evers come to his senses or is Trump going over his head?
A mostly-peaceful vigilante lynch mob should not be judged by the actions of the very few members of their group who, in an excess of enthusiasm and zeal, may have technically executed a criminal or two prior to all the procedural "eyes and tees" being respectively dotted and crossed. The persons avid for speedy justice must be leniently judged, not condemned for a few minor, albeit visually spectacular, exhibitions of their political fervor.
[/sarc]
You have a right to be in a public place.
You have a right to bear arms.
In Wisconsin, you have a right to use deadly force in self-defense if you “reasonably believe that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to yourself or another person.
In Wisconsin, you do not have a duty to retreat.
In this instance, we have an angry mob chasing an armed citizen at night before any shots are fired. Clearly they intend to murder him or seriously maim him. He is not legally required to flee, but he does so anyway, presumably to avoid using deadly force. But this mob is so rabid and thirsty for blood that it chases him. Still, he only fires after he trips and the mob catches up to him. At that point, even the dumbest jury would recognize that force was necessary.
Also, all of those rioters can now be charged with felony murder. This would not only fit their crime, it would improve the quality of the electorate.
If the authorities had any sense here, they’d do the right thing: Arrest and charge those rioters with felony murder, and give a medal to this hero for his bravery and restraint in the face of such evil
"Did Evers come to his senses or is Trump going over his head?"
-- Trump has shown enormous patience in letting cities destroy themselves through bad management. But, hey. This is the voters getting what they voted for good and hard; once there were more people shot than the initial protest was about, I think Evers finally had to concede. Not only that, you've got people realizing that riots and dead bodies are *bad for optics* for the Democrats, so suddenly, the riots need to stop.
this is what it looks like in slow motion
...when you bash an armed person in the head with a skateboard
https://twitter.com/i/status/1298647269298909184
“In this instance, we have an angry mob chasing an armed citizen at night before any shots are fired.“
WRONG. The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST. Then he was chased by protestors who were trying to disarm him. Then he shot another protestor in the stomach, killing him, then he shot a man who had his arms up in the air, in the arm.
"But this mob is so rabid and thirsty for blood that it chases him."
-- It's not that; remember. For *months* protesters have gotten away with throwing explosive devices at police; blinding officers and assaulting the National Guard. For months, the behavior has been reinforced that they can use violence against armed people with relative impunity. Sure, a few people might get thrown to the ground and arrested, only to be freed relatively quickly, or someone might get a beanbag to the face, but actual, serious harm and death were unthinkable. We'll see how suddenly realizing they are not invincible, and the government won't protect them as they thought changes the mood in the protests.
Watching the slow motion of that attack... that kid is not getting found guilty of first degree murder. He shoots *from the ground* at a person above him with a weapon. He then doesn't shoot the next attacker until he *advances on the guy on the ground.* The way I heard it described was that he was shooting indiscriminately. He does not; he does not fire on the guy with his hands up. One of his attackers *had a drawn gun.*
This guy should have only been held long enough to get a statement and determine the extent of the injuries he received.
This is what the Althouse vigilantes have been craving, right? Guys with guns, shooting people they see as rioters; that’s what these comments pages have been reflecting for days, right?
In the comments page about the McCloskeys (waving around what they claim were unloaded weapons). I taunted the commenters who believed that the McCloskeys were well within their rights in brandishing the weapons. I asked, why not load the weapons? Why not use them if that is within their “rights”?
Well... now we have that. Let’s see how it turns out for this Kenosha militiaman/vigilante/patriot/freedom fighter. I think he’ll be charged with homicide.
"WRONG. The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST."
-- The unarmed protester had just thrown what is described in multiple sources as a molotov cocktail that failed to ignite at the kid after charging him.
Chuck said...
In the comments page about the McCloskeys (waving around what they claim were unloaded weapons). I taunted the commenters who believed that the McCloskeys were well within their rights in brandishing the weapons.
Please do not bother emailing us to ask why you have been banned again, Chuck.
Chuck: Most of the comments I've seen have been more of the, "this is the logical conclusion, and if it happens, there's no one to blame but the people charging armed civilians and throwing molotov cocktails at them."
Most people *do not want violence,* but they accept that the people who are standing on their property with weapons asking people to not continue onto their property who had just demonstrated violent intent by damaging the gate and trespassing are... maybe within reason to arm themselves. If someone had jumped them, thrown a molotov cocktail at them, etc., I would be sad that it ends in gunfire, but I do not expect people to allow themselves to be injured or killed.
Browndod said...Heard it from a friend who...heard it from a friend who...heard it from another you've been messing around.
Browndog, you should put that into a song. Joe Biden would.
“The unarmed protester had just thrown what is described in multiple sources as a molotov cocktail that failed to ignite at the kid after charging him.”
Wrong. I watched it live via live streamers. That is not what happened.
I particularly like that one of the people shot is wearing a Paramedic hat in another picture... while holding a gun. Yeah. Great way to ensure people don't assume that the people claiming to be medics aren't really just protesters trying to act under the color of authority.
Never bring a skateboard to a gun fight...
Watch better sources Inga. I understand if this doesn't get posted. See seconds ~30-~40 of the guy being chased with things being thrown.
Good for those county officials for bypassing the governor and laying out the destruction and mayhem in no uncertain terms. They forced Evers' hand. I too think there should be a RICO investigation (among other things). When the money behind all this is found, the guilty (I believe) are liable for treble damages.
(The thing here: The guy who did the shooting? He was actually staying at the first location -- until people chased him. He would have probably turned himself in, if people hadn't *tried to attack him again.*)
A certain liar known for lying is lying again, and using the lying Washington Post, also known for lying, as a source for her lies.
"video shows armed man fall to the ground and then fire multiple rounds into the crowd."
“The thing here: The guy who did the shooting? He was actually staying at the first location -- until people chased him. He would have probably turned himself in, if people hadn't *tried to attack him again.*)”
Wrong again. The shooter walked right up to an armed police vehicle with his long gun, they ignore the protestors yelling that he was the shooter. They let him keep walking with his long gun. It’s unknown if they realized he was the shooter despite onlookers were yelling he was the shooter. This was all on live stream, I watched it live.
Note that EVERY person shot? The shooter shows clear restraint. The first guy charges him throwing things; the shooter WITHDRAWS. It isn't until the red shirt wearing guy charges AGAIN that shots are fired.
The skateboard guy GETS IN A FREE HIT on a guy on the ground before the guy shoots him.
The guy shot in the elbow? He is rushing the kid on the ground who has just downed his first attacker and *freezes.* The shooter? Covers him and doesn't shoot. The third guy? Decides to charge the guy who is covering him. Gets shot for it. Peels off -- no more shots fired. The shooter withdraws, because it is clear he can't remain. He tried that after the first shooting, and MORE people attacked him.
A lot of things were screwed up here; I wouldn't go out with a rifle because I don't want to shoot people. But, I also wouldn't charge a person with a rifle; hit a person who was down; charge someone who JUST showed me the mercy of not shooting me when I stopped being a threat.
The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST. Then he was chased by protestors who were trying to disarm him. Then he shot another protestor in the stomach, killing him, then he shot a man who had his arms up in the air, in the arm.
Good. Because I don't care.
We warned you - time and time and time again - this was the inevitable result of you and your fellow, leftist thugs running rampant in the streets. But you ignored it and blamed the actions of you and your fellow, leftist thugs on some dudes in Hawaiian shirts.
So, now it comes home. Own it. Because you built it.
Inga... did you actually WATCH the video I just linked? That shows him stopping after the first shooting to call someone... and then being chased off?
Like... there's one thing to be wrong, but you are willingly ignoring the facts on the ground.
Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
Fair warning: It's a very disturbing video to watch. But Inga, if you do watch that video, it's difficult not to see what Matt is describing.
Inga wrote:
"WRONG. The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST. Then he was chased by protestors who were trying to disarm him. Then he shot another protestor in the stomach, killing him, then he shot a man who had his arms up in the air, in the arm."
Inga, you are despicable- literally dispicable, and probably should be banned by Althouse since it is so egregious. You aren't watching the actual videos that are available in multiple places (Sablan links the best one above). No honest person can watch these videos and not realize the kid thought his life was in danger. I don't know, and I haven't seen a reliable source for, why Rittenhouse was being chased through the gas station parking lot when the guy got shot in the head, but Rittenhouse was being chased by a guy who clearly intended to harm him- you see the guy throwing things at Rittenhouse during that part of the chase. Seriously, what would you do if a young man were chasing you and throwing things at you? Would you assume he was no danger to you? I don't fucking think so. Your only possible defense at this point is to admit that you haven't actually watched the videos, and are only parroting the talking points you are reading about the event, and that isn't much of a fucking defense, either.
Matt Sablan: "Like... there's one thing to be wrong, but you are willingly ignoring the facts on the ground."
LOL
Inga still believes Trump colluded with russia, russia hacked our voting machines, Carter Page is a russian spy and Kavanaugh is a gang rape leader.
So, yeah, she tends to ignore facts on the ground..........
Thanks for that link, Matt.
Thanks for that link, Matt.
Meade: "Fair warning: It's a very disturbing video to watch. But Inga, if you do watch that video, it's difficult not to see what Matt is describing."
Again, you are speaking to the Russia Collusion Truther, Hoax dossier Truther, Charlottesville hoaxer, so no, its not difficult at all for Inga to see what she wants to see.
But your attempts to continue to engage with Inga as if she were a normal and rational person are quite noble.
Blogging Noblesse Oblige.
Has Inga accused the shooter of being a russian spy yet?
That's sort of one of her "things".
Inga said...
WRONG. The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST. Then he was chased by protestors who were trying to disarm him.
Gee, I thought everyone was very upset that the cops weren't willing to let Jacob Blake go when he tried to get away from them.
"Gee, he was just climbing into his car, there's no need to shoot him in the back!"
So, why was it ok for that crowd to chase a guy who was clearly just trying to get away? We're all agreed that they crowd did wrong to chase him, brought about the violence, and now should be prosecuted for it, right?
Right?
Ooh, and The properly armed militia teenager who was their, as the militia should be to protect public safety, shot violent thug in the head at the gas station parking lot to keep the thug from destroying things and starting a dangerous fire.
Fixed it for you
The fastest "complete and thorough" investigations to conclude murder charges are warranted in history.
“I understand if this doesn't get posted. See seconds ~30-~40 of the guy being chased with things being thrown.”
So the shooter was justified in shooting the guy for throwing what looked like an empty milk jug at him? I doubt that will fly in a court of law. If the shooter felt justified he’s should’ve turned himself in.
Inga is on a roll ! She finally got a Boogaloo!
I'm not sure it's going to work out as she planned but then nothing ever does.
"If the shooter felt justified he’s should’ve turned himself in."
Isn't that exactly what he did? He went to the police and told them "I just killed somebody."
"So the shooter was justified in shooting the guy for throwing what looked like an empty milk jug at him?"
-- Possibly, but unsure; that's why the shooter *withdrew.* It could be anything in there; remember, people have milkshaked people with all sorts of gross things.
But, it doesn't matter. The kid *withdrew* after having things thrown at him. His attacker charges him again; kid backs up again. There's even a single shot that misses/was a warning shot... AND THE GUY CHARGES THE KID AGAIN.
Then, the kid hits his attacker. I can't imagine what situation this ISN'T self defense.
(Apparently, the kid tries to turn himself in. Walks by with his hands up past a bunch of police, who are... apparently not bothering to really arrest anyone. It appears he was arrested back at home today.)
Inga the Dishonest wrote:
"So the shooter was justified in shooting the guy for throwing what looked like an empty milk jug at him?"
The guy who got shot in the head, Inga, caught up to the shooter, who I note for the record couldn't have outrun me, a 54 year old man. What do you think they would have done with Rittenhouse if he had surrendered to the people chasing him? Now, what do you think Rittenhouse was thinking? Any honest person will just fucking admit that the mob chasing Rittenhouse would likely have beaten him severely, if not to death.
“Isn't that exactly what he did? He went to the police and told them "I just killed somebody."”
When? He walked right up to an armored police vehicle and they let him go. That is what I saw in the live-streams I watched. He apparently was not detained there in Kenosha, as he was arrested in Illinois.
WRONG. The armed militia teenager shot an unarmed protestor in the head at the gas station parking lot FIRST
Not what I saw, but let’s suppose he did for the sake of argument. I’m not aware of any video from the shooting at the car dealership or any credible eyewitness accounts (criminal coconspirators are not credible). Without more evidence, we can only make inferences from what we do know. And we know a lot from the video that we have. He’s clearly trying to avoid shooting anyone in that he’s fleeing when he could have just stood his ground and fired. Then, only when it became impossible to flee did he shoot, and even then he exercises incredible restraint in the face of multiple deadly threats. Without other evidence, we have a pretty good basis to infer enough of what happened at the car dealership.
Question: Would your analysis change if he was black and the protestors/rioters were KKK members burning a black neighborhood? If so, then consider yourself the problem.
Yancey: I agree. One guy punches him from behind; then the same guy (maybe a different one?) jump kicks him while he's down. The skateboarder hits him; gets shot. That's enough to make the jump kicker retreat. After the first attacker goes down, the guy behind the phony medic stops and puts his hands up.
I have no doubt if the first sucker punched had downed the kid, he'd be dead, or at least, a reasonable person would believe that was likely.
Watching live-streams isn't necessarily going to give you all the facts. https://madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/watch-now-i-just-killed-somebody-man-heard-saying-on-video-after-2-shot-dead/article_02459deb-c439-56f7-bc82-ab7ec73e1460.html#tracking-source=home-top-story&utm_source=madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletter-templates%2Fnews-alert&utm_medium=PostUp&utm_content=1d83c7db519ae0c4e8e41329516c4534e046893e
Inga: That's what happens when you let riots happen. The police were busy dealing with the riots and didn't detain the kid for whatever reason. You can hear multiple unrelated gunshots and sirens during the chase.
Should the kid have remained and tried to turn himself in again? I would have.
But, after his first attempt was met with him having to defend himself with lethal force, I also can't blame him for making the panicked decision to get out and go home.
"As people run toward him, he fires his weapon, appearing to shoot two people."
-- That is some of the most criminally bad reporting I've ever seen.
"Sure, a few people might get thrown to the ground and arrested, only to be freed relatively quickly, or someone might get a beanbag to the face, but actual, serious harm and death were unthinkable. We'll see how suddenly realizing they are not invincible, and the government won't protect them as they thought changes the mood in the protests."-Matt Sablan
QFT
Too much teevee and movies for the people advancing underarmed on a person who is.
Ok Dim O'Craps Can we stop playing stupid games now that your sheep are winning stupid prizes?
"When? He walked right up to an armored police vehicle and they let him go."
The police have been told to stand down. That's what stand down looks like.
That’s also what happens when armed militia types come to a riot thinking they are going to “protect people”. The militia members were idiots for being there after curfew, just as much as the protestors and rioters were idiots. The person who allowed a 17 year old with a long gun to go to Kenosha with them to play at being some para military dressed up fools with guns was also an idiot.
“The police have been told to stand down. That's what stand down looks like.”
The police weren’t standing down. What are you talking about? The police were using bean bag projectiles, tear gas and pepper balls all night.
Ok, I’m seeing more now, and really trying to find anything inconsistent with my point. No luck so far.
"Inga, you are despicable- literally dispicable, and probably should be banned by Althouse since it is so egregious"
If Althouse banned commenters for being despicable and egregious, me and my big red spot would have been gone a long time ago. Igna is a specimen, a reminder of what the Left is like.
Inga: "That’s also what happens when armed militia types come to a riot thinking they are going to “protect people”. The militia members were idiots for being there after curfew, just as much as the protestors and rioters were idiots. The person who allowed a 17 year old with a long gun to go to Kenosha with them to play at being some para military dressed up fools with guns was also an idiot."
LOL
See?
Even our Russian Collusion Dead Ender knows how bad this looks for the democraticals so she is going to have to fake being concerned about all parties involved.
Nice try Inga, but no one is buying. And I'll bet the polls show one of the biggest groups to not buy your spin are suburban women which explains the sudden 180 degree reversal of democratical talking points because that's always the case with you guys.
Chuck said...
This is what the Althouse vigilantes have been craving, right? Guys with guns, shooting people they see as rioters; that’s what these comments pages have been reflecting for days, right?
No, Chuck, shooting people who ARE rioters.
"Protesters" don't throw Molotov cocktails, they don't point eye destroying lasers at people, and they don't destroy other people's property.
In the comments page about the McCloskeys (waving around what they claim were unloaded weapons).
The house was searched by the cops. No ammunition was found for teh rifle, and the pistol was a prop that had the firing pin disabled, it couldn't have shot even if it was loaded.
I taunted the commenters who believed that the McCloskeys were well within their rights in brandishing the weapons. I asked, why not load the weapons? Why not use them if that is within their “rights”?
And I answered you: They weren't ABLE to have functional guns when their property was invaded by criminal thugs, so they did the best they could.
Well... now we have that. Let’s see how it turns out for this Kenosha militiaman/vigilante/patriot/freedom fighter. I think he’ll be charged with homicide.
Crappy Democrat prosecutors do all sorts of bad charging. So that wouldn't surprise me.
I do find it very telling that you don't talk about what he might be "convicted" of, just what he might be "charged" with. It's impressive that you can't tell the difference between the two.
For teh record: I am very happy that violent protesters / rioters got shot. I hope this keeps on happening until the riots end.
Now, it would make me ecstatic for teh riots to end now, and no one else need be shot. But until the Left ends their violence, ends their bullying, accepts that people have a right to disagree with them, have a right to make different choices, to vote differently, and to win elections, I have very happy to see them hit with violence in return.
"The person who allowed a 17 year old with a long gun to go to Kenosha with them to play at being some para military dressed up fools with guns was also an idiot."
-- The ultimate fault lies in the people who decided attacking someone with a rifle was a good idea. The proximate cause of the first guy getting shot? Continuing to charge a kid with a rifle who had just run out of room to run away *and had just either taken a shot at you and missed or fired a warning shot.* The decision on how that scene plays out all hinged on the guy with the red shirt deciding "Do I continue my assault on this guy, or do I back off and cease this attempted assault and battery?"
Likewise, the guy with the skateboard would not have been shot if he didn't hit a kid while he was down. It's literally one of the most dishonorable things you can do, and he did it. He took a swing that is a killing swing if you have even a moderate amount of strength and make a good connection with someone's head. He tried to kill someone, and that person defended themself.
The third guy who was shot had a drawn gun and was looking down the barrel of a rifle. The kid then did not shoot. So the third guy could have chosen to drop the gun and back off. Instead? He attempts to draw a bead on the kid and gets shot.
The proximate cause of all three shootings are someone who, from what I can see, appears to be an adult, deciding to attempt to use lethal force on a 17-year old kid.
Oh, gas station, not car dealership. That changes everything—guess you’re right, Inga!
Blogger Inga said...
So the shooter was justified in shooting the guy for throwing what looked like an empty milk jug at him? I doubt that will fly in a court of law
People have been starting fires in that town by throwing jugs partially filled with gasoline. Threatening to burn someone is "great bodily injury", GBI.
The standard is that a rational person in the circumstances would consider themselves at risk of GBI. So yes, any honest jury is going to find in your favor in that situation.
If the shooter felt justified he’s should’ve turned himself in.
This whole thing started because Jacob Blake refused to turn himself in, and actually fought against arrest. You can't defend Black while condemning the kid
This is the inevitable outcome when government stops enforcing It’s laws. Expect to see more of it as some people take steps to protect themselves and others feel emboldened, assuming they they can act with impunity. Evers could have prevented this by providing decisive leadership. Instead he encouraged the very forces that led us here. He has blood on his hands.
I don't think Rittenhouse was the shooter in the head shot. He was being chased, and shooting started while he was still running. Then the guy is down, and Rittenhouse is still running, and he circles around the parked cars and ends up behind the group around the dying asshole. I guess he could have spun around, shot, and spun around and started running again, in hte angles I've seen you can't tell what he's doing, but really there wasn't time enough, and there are multiple shots being fired throughout the action. Plus, there are multiple reports that the first shooter was a guy in a helmet.
As to the shots after he fell down and they attacked him, those were all solid self-defense. There's a lot of video of the third guy, who got his bicep blown off, with a gun in his hand after the shooting that he apparently can't let go of, because of his injuries. He was about to shoot Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse blew his arm up.
I've got to say, some very nice shooting by Kyle Rittenhouse. He actually had the drop on arm guy, but didn't shoot him cause he froze. Then the insane idiot stepped toward him and started to raise the gun. How do you get that much stupid into a skull no larger than a volleyball?
And yeah, Rittenhouse tried to turn himself in to the guys in the armored cars, but they were more interested in getting to where the action was.
Of course, GoFundMe won't allow a defense fund for Rittenhouse, because they're Commie scum. So we'll probably have to wait 'til he gets a lawyer to help out.
"The person who allowed a 17 year old with a long gun to go to Kenosha with them to play at being some para military dressed up fools with guns was also an idiot."
The biggest idiot is the person who didn't see this coming and decided to preemptively blame it all on some right-wing booga booga under her bed.
Not sure if it's been linked to yet but there is a slow motion analysis of shooting #1 on Youtube. He's running for his life at the car lot and some bitch throws a Molotov cocktail at him. The actual shooting is obscured but whatever it is, it isn't first degree murder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBx5K6dl3g
On the biggest idiot front: I'm going with the guy who is staring down the barrel of a rifle, has just seen someone who hit the kid in the head get shot, and decides, "Instead of dropping my weapon, I'm gonna try and take the shot."
Matt Sablan said...
On the biggest idiot front: I'm going with the guy who is staring down the barrel of a rifle, has just seen someone who hit the kid in the head get shot, and decides, "Instead of dropping my weapon, I'm gonna try and take the shot."
8/26/20, 3:53 PM
Look in the bright side, in a year or two, after rehab, he can impress all the antifa chicks with this battle scar. Far better outcome than the other guys where instead of that, their friends will be showing off their tombstones...
With riots here in Madison, why am I not toting an AR-15 around the Capitol square at night—reasons, in order of importance:
(1) I’d rather not get shot.
(2) I’d rather not go to prison (and I don’t trust any Dane County prosecutor or jury to apply the law or any rule of reason).
(3) I’d rather not get fired.
(4) I’d rather not shoot a belligerent, mentally challenged person (i.e., a “protestor”).
(5) I’d rather the optics remain clear to all voters.
Now, if they started burning people’s homes,..
"Evers could have prevented this by providing decisive leadership. Instead he encouraged the very forces that led us here. He has blood on his hands."
-Bushman of Kohlrabi
QFT
When he used inflammatory rhetoric without..or with(which would be worse imo)the full facts.
Then doesn't call in help to quell the violence, who elects these fucking brain dead apparatchiks?
Evers is just another mealy-mouthed politician a day late and trying to have it both ways. His response - "but they offered only Homeland Security" - so you're to afraid of asking for more National Guard Troops? Because you got 250? I'd order 5,000 and arm them! If you're skirmish about that, then I guess pull out the troops and let the rioters have their way with Kenosha and kill a few more citizens. Truly stupid logic on the part of leaders in Wisconsin and the local authorities.
LLR-lefty and Open Supporter of Marxist Policies Chuck: "This is what the Althouse vigilantes have been craving, right? Guys with guns, shooting people they see as rioters; that’s what these comments pages have been reflecting for days, right?"
And right on cue, after Freder takes a small lead in Biggest Lefty Liar our own LLR-lefty Chuck roars back into the conversation with a purposefully and massively false characterization of the events at hand.
Well, that's what leftists do, isn't it?
In summary: LLR-lefty Chuck now 100% on board the radical left/marxist bandwagon.
Because of course he is.....because he always was.
Matt Sablan: "Yancey: I agree. One guy punches him from behind; then the same guy (maybe a different one?) jump kicks him while he's down. The skateboarder hits him; gets shot. That's enough to make the jump kicker retreat. After the first attacker goes down, the guy behind the phony medic stops and puts his hands up."
Yep.
A 3 on 1 vicious attack after chasing the victim and continuing their attacks.
And so they get shot.
If Inga and LLR-lefty Chuck can literally celebrate the deaths of innocents at the hands of their beloved "spark of divinity" MS13 machete murderers, I don't plan on spending alot of time thinking about these vicious and violent marxist rioters who were attacking someone and got what's coming to them.
Rick.T.: "Not sure if it's been linked to yet but there is a slow motion analysis of shooting #1 on Youtube. He's running for his life at the car lot and some bitch throws a Molotov cocktail at him."
Our LLR-lefty pro-marxist lawyer from MI will be along shortly to explain that is was a "mostly peaceful molotov cocktail" and therefore doesn't count.
Royal ass Inga thinks the guy who attacked the armed 17 year old from behind with a skateboard was an innocent victim.
We know who you are rooting for, Royal ass Inga.
Inga said...
That’s also what happens when armed militia types come to a riot thinking they are going to “protect people”.
No, Inga, that's what happens when despicable thugs decide to riot, and their Democrat politician co-conspirators refuse to stop the despicable thugs.
One of the big purposes of having a police force is to protect the criminals from teh rest of us. You all eliminated the police from teh equation. So now you are all without protection.
Enjoy!
Inga said...
... The person who allowed a 17 year old with a long gun to go to Kenosha with them to play at being some para military dressed up fools with guns was also an idiot.
It's called the unorganized militia- and that's the citizens taking action when the government doesn't. Also the reason for the second amendment.
"10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes
U.S. Code
(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States..."
The rioters are, for all intents and purposes, guilty of treason under the constitutional definition: Section. 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. They are waging was against the United States.
The 17 year old should be receiving a medal, not being prosecuted for 1st degree murder.
Apologies if this shows up a second time--- blogger's fault, saying it wasn't submitted properly....
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