Said a 60-year-old woman named Maria Meade, who lived near Amy Cooper, the woman in the story
"How 2 Lives Collided in Central Park, Rattling the Nation/The inside story of the black birder and the white woman who called the police on him. Their encounter stirred wrenching conversations about racism and white privilege" (NYT).
Another neighbor, Marisol De Leon, 40, said Ms. Cooper frequently walked Henry unleashed, and became irate when told not to. “There was a sense of entitlement,” Ms. De Leon said.
Alison Faircloth, 37, a neighbor and dog owner, recalled that last winter, she came upon Ms. Cooper on the verge of tears outside the building’s lobby. A doorman had cursed at her for no reason, Ms. Cooper told her. Ms. Cooper vowed to get the doorman fired, Ms. Faircloth said. But when Ms. Faircloth asked the doorman what had happened, he told her that Ms. Cooper had complained about a broken elevator, then cursed at him after she barged into a security booth and had to be removed by a guard.
“There’s always a narrative from her about someone who has done her wrong,” Ms. Faircloth said.
ADDED: Bob Boyd said:
It's too bad nobody got her on video cursing the door man through her dog in a baby voice.
I'd like to see that.
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White privilege or was she just a whack job in general?
Too common, unfortunately. An unintended consequence of female empowerment.
By the way, she's from Canada.
I don't subscribe so I couldn't read the article but id like to know how someone so mentally off balance lives there. I mean isn't that like one of the most expensive neighborhoods? At least from the small bit I can see she's not so much privileged ad not living in our reality.
When you tell women a million times they are always the victim some of them will start to believe it.
The NYT refers to her as "an immigrant from Canada." And "Before arriving in New York Ms. Cooper lived in Ontario, where she attended the University of Waterloo."
I don't know if she became an American citizen, but it looks like she spent her formative years in Canada.
There was a sense of entitlement
Seemed that way in the video. However leash laws apply to whack jobs too.
She spoke directly to the doorman, didn't she?
It's too bad nobody got her on video cursing the door man through her dog in a baby voice.
I'd like to see that.
but it looks like she spent her formative years in Canada.
@Althouse, in my experience Canadians are no more prone to bizarre behavior than citizens born in the United States, so I have no idea why you bring this up. The woman appears to be somewhat autistic, which would explain a lot more than an upbringing in Canada.
Pretty much a loon which would describe a great many NYC women. Cray cray makes for good one time sex, but that’s it as a rule of thumb.
- Krumhorn
Derbyshire on that incident
Well, here was the first episode this week. A professional young white woman took her dog to New York's Central Park. In a secluded area called the Ramble, much favored by bird-watchers, she let her dog off the leash, which she shouldn't have — there are posted signs against it.
A large black man, a bird-watcher, took objection to her breaking the rules. She took objection to his having taken objection. He responded with the words, quote: "Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it."
Scared, she called the police on her cellphone, telling them a black man was threatening her … except that she didn't say "black," she used the cant descriptor "African American." She seems to be a standard-issue New York City Goodwhite.
The black man had departed without further incident by the time the cops arrived, and they took no action. He had filmed the encounter, though, and the video was posted on social media. The white woman was fired from her job and gave up the dog. She is now probably unemployable.
You get the impression from the video that the woman is somewhat highly-strung, the man somewhat obnoxious. Neither thing is a firing offense, though.
To the main point, she was quite right to be scared. A small white woman, alone in a secluded place with a large black male stranger using threatening words: of course she was scared.
Black men commit sexual assault and rape against white women with such frequency, the federal government ceased publishing the numbers some years ago, when the slide into denial accelerated under the Obama administration.
I am told that the Bureau of Justice Statistics still collects those numbers, but dare not publish them. Still, even with the media trying their best to hide the facts, it's hard not to be aware of them, especially in a big city with lots of blacks and single young white women.
So a young professional woman was justifiably scared. Because it was a black man that caused her to be scared — deliberately, you can't help thinking, based on those words he spoke — the young woman's life has been wrecked.
Like Congressman Pittenger, she has done a full grovel, whining that she is not a racist. It hasn't helped her. Her fellow Goodwhites have expelled her from the charmed circle of right-thinking citizens. She dwells in outer darkness, and will for ever.
This is how we live now.
...but it looks like she spent her formative years in Canada.
Laughter and fun must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming us
Blame Canada!
In an unusual twist, since the lawsuit, Ms. Cooper has developed a close friendship with Tianna Priest, who is now divorced from Martin Priest, after Ms. Cooper exposed his infidelity to her. Ms. Cooper and Ms. Priest now spend holidays together.
That was a surprise I didn't see coming.
Doorman: "Ms. Cooper, you really should have FeFe on a leash, you know. It's law around here. We're not just telling you that to pester you. We're telling you that so you don't get into trouble."
Ms. Cooper (in weird doggy voice): "I should tell him my name is CovFeFe, shouldn't I? Anyway, this doorman might want to shut his mouth and mind his own business. Like fixing the damed elevator door, which does not open quickly enough for CovFeFe, does it? No, instead he has to tell CovFeFe what to wear around HIS NECK! Maybe we should tell the doorman what happens to doormen that don't mind their own beeswax?"
Doorman: "What the hell, Ms. Cooper?"
Ms. Cooper, with head spinning around and eyes bulging out: "CovFeFe doesn't like people telling us what to do, do we, CovFeFe? Maybe we need to teach some of these people their place, huh? Maybe? What's that? You think it's time we got a new Doorman? Hmm..."
Doorman: "Fucking crazy ass bitch."
CovFeFe: "Bark!"
Ms. Cooper: "He said we're going to come back and kill you, Henry."
Doorman: "Who's Henry?"
Blame Canada!
She certainly seemed to lack the Canadian "nice" gene. Maybe that's why she ended up in NYC.
"By the way, she's from Canada."
So what? Crazy entitled people are born everywhere. They are eventually attracted to New York. Not sure why.
Cray cray or not, I kinda feel sorry for the poor wench. When the lefties want to rip you to shreds, they interview your doorman and the neighbors. It’s like that gal with the moral clarity who worked for Pocahontas said about Lee Fang at Intercept: GET HIM!!!
Well, this Karen has lost her job, and they’re going to ensure that she won’t be getting another one. The Canadians might take her back. They’re nice.
- Krumhorn
YoungHegelian said...
White privilege or was she just a whack job in general?
Embrace the healing power of "and."
Oh, this poor woman. Okay, the one event was probably doomed to go viral in these weird oversensitive times But now that it's been over for weeks, how does it make sense to keep on holding up every little thing about how nuts and entitled and weird she is, not to mention the seamy details of her love affairs to public scrutiny forever? As far as I can see, the only purpose is to satisfy our creepy need to gossip about a Mean Girl so the rest of us can feel superior. Why do we care? Whether she deserves it or not, her life is already over. Leave her the hell alone.
She's Canadian, that explains everything. She's female, no other explanation needed. She's white, that's all you need to know. She's an immigrant, there you go. She's from New York, need I say more? She went to Waterloo U, that says it all. Dog owner? Well, they're complicated.
The NYT reveals that Ms. Cooper sued a married ex-lover to recover $65,000 she gave him to pay for his divorce as well as for an abortion for a third woman he was also dating.
Clearly, Ms. Cooper's sense of judgment in interpersonal relationships is a bit lacking.
I feel sorry for her. I hopes she's ok.
So, this crazy woman's interaction with a Black man in Central Park is what sparked "wrenching conversations about racism and White privilege?" Do we get to have a wrenching conversation about interactions between Doormen and entitled White residents next? How about one involving crazy White women who talk baby talk through their pets?
All this story illustrates is how asinine the concept of "White privilege" really is and how elite media use it to stir the race pot. This woman wasn't displaying White privilege, she was just being a typically abrasive NYC asshole, and they are known to come in all races and from many ethnic groups.
"Cray cray or not, I kinda feel sorry for the poor wench. When the lefties want to rip you to shreds, they interview your doorman and the neighbors. "
And the Neighbors and the doorman pile on. It's telling the those of us on this comment thread feel worse for her than the people that actually know her
Canadian privilege.
From related articles “ After an internal review, Franklin Templeton said it "made the decision to terminate the employee involved, effective immediately.".....
I am guessing that this was not the first issue they had with her from an HR perspective and this incident provided cover to avoid a lengthy termination process.... just speculating.
...and yet again, what was supposed to be an example of white supremacy turned out be simple mental illness.
If the NYT came around asking for quotes about a neighbor involved in this kind of incident, would you give them their sound bite? I would not. I'm trying to think what would make me gossip about my neighbor to the NYT.
Anyway. Believe women. Women will change the world. The future is female. et cetera
When Manuel would do something that didn't meet the high standards of Fawlty Towers, "He's from Barcelona" would be the ever-ready excuse.
Well, Amy's from Canada.
"I don't know if she became an American citizen, but it looks like she spent her formative years in Canada."
Well, it was reported she gave donations to some Dems including Obama so.
Cooper probably is lib who worshipped the NYT and now it stabs a loyal reader in the back. Shame on it. As Ricky Watters once said "For who and for what"?
"@Althouse, in my experience Canadians are no more prone to bizarre behavior than citizens born in the United States, so I have no idea why you bring this up."
Because she has been presented — in various places — as an example of America's deep racial problems. But she's not an American. Whatever she is an example of — maybe just of mental illness — it's not America.
Althouse's blog is an example of "America's deep racial problems" because she only blogs about stuff which attracts, I assume, mostly white readers. And I myself am mostly white.
I read through some of the comments. They all claimed that if the police had arrived on the scene, they would have taken Ms. Cooper's side of the story and been treated unfairly by them. Cops are universally racist and some are murderers. That's the attitude of the commenters. Unlike the cops, they're not prejudiced....Mr. Cooper himself seems to have led a successful and comfortable life despite the fact that he's gay and black. Maybe the world is not such an overwhelmingly harsh place for gay, black men....Ms. Cooper doesn't seem like a very nice person. Neither does the writer, nor the paper of record. It's a blatant attempt to pile on....George Floyd had a criminal record involving a truly ugly offense and apparently used meth. Do you think any of his neighbors might have reservations about his behavior or that the paper of record would record them?
So now the NYT source of nasty trivial gossip, some of it obviously false (she didn't speak in baby voice on the video), about an unfortunate person with some minor mental problems who didn't really do much of anything.
Their encounter stirred wrenching conversations about racism and white privilege
The NYT informs us that "white people are bad" on a regular basis.
>>Because she has been presented — in various places — as an example of America's deep racial problems.
Exactly right. Some lunatic from Canada is presented as "the average American woman".
Truth over facts.
@Althouse, thanks for your explanation at 7:36. I had forgotten that she tried to get the police to come and arrest him (or shoot him?) as a black man assaulting a white woman.
If you click on that Derbyshire link you’ll learn America’s most enduring problem is the problem of “the blacks.”
What you won’t learn are the actual trump-card words the woman spoke during her squabble with the black man: "I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life."
It must have slipped his mind.
"Stirred wrenching conversation" are codewords for "Let white liberals in the media lecture others about the issues they always want to lecture others on."
Funny how riots never "stir wrenching conversations" about the abysmal failure of Democratic Party policies in the city's they've controlled for generations...
She is, or was, a senior investment professional entrusted by sophisticated clients to manage billions of dollars on their behalf. She may have been quirky, but in no way ungrounded or broadly unstable.
Whose private life could survive a team of gossip-sealing NYT reporters out to prove that so many whites are Crazy Racists. Compare this story to last week’s hagiography of George Floyd.
"Rattled the nation" ???
Oh my God people, log out of your Facebook accounts. Most of the shit you are prodded to get all exercised about has nothing to do with you.
[not directed at Althousians]
Good to know. Everybody had been wondering for weeks what she really was like.
Not.
In this dynamic it's easy to know who to root for. She's in the wrong here, every which way.
The only ones rooting for her are doing so because she's white, and being happy to stick it to the black guy, and that's it. But even with that, I'm starting to feel a little bit sorry for her now.
A lot of bad encounters, including with the police, involve serious mental troubles. Many people aren't all there. Including, as it happens, black people, blacks being people and all.
But the real lunacy lies in treating all those encounters as manifestations of racism or sexism. Of course, progs aren't crazy in pushing that lunacy. It's what they want and aim to exploit.
Because she has been presented — in various places — as an example of America's deep racial problems. But she's not an American.
She's the hook the marketing department needed.
I shouldn't be, but can't help but be fascinated by people who have a high professional position and really messed-up personal lives. Amy Cooper was a VP at a NYC finance firm. That's big money and a lot of responsibility and yet is running around getting into heated fights with random passers-by?
But the article points to someone even more messed up than Ms. Cooper:
"Instead, she said she discovered that his wife, Tianna, whom he was divorcing, was pregnant — and Mr. Priest was planning to marry a third woman, who was also pregnant, the lawsuit said."
A guy who knocks-up his soon to be ex-wife, has a pregnant girlfriend that he wants to marry and took $65,000 from crazy Amy? Does he have no impulse-control? What did he think the end-game was on these three women? There was literally no way in which this situation wasn't going to blow up in his face. Oh, and he too has a high powered job.
Unhinged woman has a high paying job. We should be applauding that someone on the spectrum of some deficiency functions on her own, but I think we should have a protest against all white women instead.
"There are eight million bad white people in the naked city. We helped destroy one of them."
I believe I previously described the incident as two asshole New Yorkers being assholes to each other. Nothing in this update changes that opinion. However, the New York Times and the Twitter mob have narrative quotas to fulfill, so fill it they will.
YoungHegelian said...
She certainly seemed to lack the Canadian "nice" gene. Maybe that's why she ended up in NYC.
Would it even matter? My experience (as a Southern expat in Arizona) is that the Canadian "nice" gene is much like the Minnesota "nice" gene in that it is usually a mask that covers seething rage and plain ol' bat shit crazy!
It took three weeks to find out the women is not a racist, she's an equal opportunity control freak. Telling everybody, regardless of race where to get off. My wife informs when someone does it to me. I don't understand when some stranger is judging me. Why would I care?
Regardless, the black man will tell is grandkids about white privilege, and use his experience as evidence. Op-ed people will recount the story to prove america is racist. The narrative is all that matters, and its been set. To use facts and statistics to prove otherwise, is falsely labeled racist. I am not racist, but all of this lying assures I will not lift finger to aid a phony movement.
"The only thing I'll tell you is she never spoke directly to a person."
What's with the past tense? Has she expired? Or been sent to the Gulag?
Ms. Cooper frequently walked Henry unleashed, and became irate when told not to. “There was a sense of entitlement,” Ms. De Leon said.
A guy in my neighborhood walks his little dog without a leash. He's black, and he's going to be surprised when I criticize his white privilege.
Personally, I prefer the toddler voice. The unrelenting insistence, brevity and confidence.
My wife is scared of dogs off their leash because of a traumatic childhood experience. It doesn't bother me at all, but I support her when she tells people to leash their dogs. We have had a few angry confrontations.
None of it has anything to do with race or privilege.
I read the article and I interpret the baby-talk reference as how she behaves at doggie birthday parties organized within the apartment building (coop condo, whatever it is). Which is slightly weird, but not nearly as weird as thinking that she interacts like this at all times. She has an MBA from a good school and a respectable work history, so there's really no reason to think she can't function normally in the real world.
The love life story (which is fleshed out more fully in the article and not in the snippet here) is what I think makes Ms Cooper sound odd. She had some kind of relationship with a former co-worker Mr. Priest -- Ms Cooper calls it an affair; Mr. Priest says she is delusional and a stalker. She lent or gave Mr. Priest $65,000, to facilitate (she says) Mr. Priest's divorce and to pay for an abortion for another of Mr. Priest's girlfriends. Mr. Priest did get a divorce and then remarried someone else (not Ms Cooper). Ms Cooper then became close with Mr. Priest's divorced wife, so friendly that now vacation together.
Dingbats are gonna dingbat. They can't help themselves. As for high powered professional men in the position of Ms. Cooper's welshing boyfriend--I've seen that happen--haven't been there myself--but I've seen it happen.
People are interesting creatures--they frequently are highly competent in one area--and disasters in the rest of life. Ms. Cooper most likely handled money better than men.
Howard said: "I prefer the toddler voice."
"I can't stop thinking about waffles."
Francisco D: Masingale might help.
Earnest Prole, Ms. Cooper was describing the person threatening her, which is why she said the person was an African-American man with a bicycle helmet. Why should she have left out an essential aspect of the person’s description? How would an Asian woman have described the goy?
h thanks, I definitely don't like the sugar poisoned toddler voice. Her parents need to be beaten.
Earnest Prole, Ms. Cooper was describing the person threatening her, which is why she said the person was an African-American man with a bicycle helmet. Why should she have left out an essential aspect of the person’s description?
Apparently you’re unfamiliar with the incident. The woman was speaking to the man, not police, when she “described the person threatening her.”
So, if we assume that Mr Cooper is gay, based on his affiliation with GLAAD, did the NYT attempt to discover who his former lovers may have been and what stories they may have to tell about his character? This article seems like an abuse of the powers of the press to me. The woman is painted as a nut job, the man as a saint. Reality is never so cut and dried, in my experience, but this portrayal advances the narrative of systemic racism that the Times is pushing.
Even if she was American, I don't think an odd, single, middle-aged white women getting in a dispute with a Gay Black man over an unleashed dog in Central Park is inductive of American Racism OR the Deep racial Divide. I don't think its inductive of anything. I'll go even further, and say that almost nothing that happens in NYC is inductive of the rest of the USA.
Its an interesting story, in a freak show sorta way. BTW, you have to wonder why the NYT is continuing to go after Ms. Cooper. Hasn't she suffered enough? Wasn't she fired?
It was a great day for civil rights when a Black skit-fucker won a dispute against a white retard, and the winning continues. Will the Left ever get tired of all this winning?
And what’s the deal with upper-middle-class white women speaking to other adults in baby talk? I know a couple of women in the Bay Area who speak that way, and it’s always perplexed me.
Howard said...Francisco D: Masingale might help.
As usual, you seem to be hitting the bottle pretty early, Howie. It must be the PTSD you acquired as a fake ex-Marine.
I suppose you were trying to accentuate the fact that you are a douche, but your spelling is off.
My, what a touching follow-up story! Those kids running the NYT newsroom need to find another white woman to scalp; you can't get a twofer on this one.
A baby voice? Like Christine Blaisy Ford? She seemed more than a little crazy too.
If you click on that Derbyshire link you’ll learn America’s most enduring problem is the problem of “the blacks.”
What you won’t learn are the actual trump-card words the woman spoke during her squabble with the black man: "I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life."
It must have slipped his mind.
Rape by black men of white women is a high incidence crime. The black guy phrased his reply to her exactly to alarm her in that regard. They're in exactly the setting that happens in. So don't be surprised that she's rationally alarmed. An important component is that it's a black guy. She knows it and the police know it.
As to the problem of the blacks, isn't that the long-standing problem? It's been coming up forever in the national consciousness. Derb suggest it persists because the discussion gets further and further from reality. Reality would solve it.
I'm more optimistic than Derb. Derb thinks impulse control and such things are genetic as well and so it's hopeless, I say they're learned. That's how you teach males good character. It's not a natural thing. It's Lord of the Flies, left to its own inclinations, regardless of race.
But teaching blacks good character can't come up in public discussion. You can't solve what you can't talk about.
Earnest Prole, She was also on the phone reporting the incident and said she was being threatened by an Africa-American man with a bicycle helmet. Check out the video. How would a black woman have described the guy?
By suppressing realistic talk about race, you get rid of racists and also people who could help. That leaves only people who can't help to try to address the problem.
Earnest Prole, Christine Blasey Ford used a "little girl" voice when testifying before the Senate. Perhaps it's a progressive female dog whistle.
When I first saw the video of the incident, I said to my significant other that I thought Ms. Cooper was struggling with psychological issues more than anything else. The apparently racist behavior was more a symptom of that than of hatred, per se.
“By the way, she's from Canada”
Well played, Althouse. You don’t have to make a bullshit explanation for a deftly delivered comic shank.
At the time I damned this women for trying to spitefully get this guy in cuffs just because he was thwarting her entitled ass. It had nothing to do with his race. A couple weeks later and I couldn’t care less. They’re two sides of the same coin and wholly deserving of each other’s pathologies.
I was going to post this several weeks ago but didn't get around to it.
The NY Post has another article about Amy Cooper's recent past behavior. It supports the idea that her weird behavior in so many ways is reflective of serious psychological and or psychophysiological issues consistent with High Functioning Autism or Asberger's.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/amy-cooper-once-claimed-her-ex-lover-bilked-her-out-of-65k/
Amy has an undergraduate degree in actuarial science from the University of Waterloo (Ontario, Canada) and an MBA in analytical science from the University of Chicago. Those are impressive credentials that got her previous jobs at AIG, Citi, Lehman Brothers, and Willis Towers Watson (a large publicly-traded risk advisory firm that I never heard of before).
A Google search: "Actuary" "Aspergers" OR "High Functioning Autism" yielded 50,900 hits. The first one was an Institution Investor article titled
'They Get Fired All the Time. And They Have No Idea Why'.
https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1gq9tqwk8z108/They-Get-Fired-All-the-Time-And-They-Have-No-Idea-Why
The Google Scholar search: Psychophysiology Aspergers OR "High Functioning Autism" yielded 5,140 results.
One of the more recent ones:
J Autism Dev Disord. 2019; 49(6): 2524–2535.
Emotional Arousal During Social Stress in Young Adults With Autism: Insights From Heart Rate, Heart Rate Variability and Self-Report
"...In conclusion, these findings suggest reduced physiological self-regulation to psychosocial stress in young adults with ASD. Furthermore, these findings suggest that regardless of their high functioning in daily life -as reflected in high education levels and high IQ-, most of these young adults with ASD show fundamental deviations in their arousal regulation compared to their TD peers. Deficits in arousal regulation may result in being overwhelmed by emotions, which interferes with competent functioning in social situations, but may also impair the overall quality of life (Adrian et al. 2011; Mennin et al. 2007; Thompson et al. 2008). By investigating the relation of HRV with social behaviors, for example in an interactive setting, and the effect of emotion regulation training on cardiac control in ASD, it will be possible to determine whether ANS functioning is an important underlying mechanism of social behavior in autism."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546666/
Instead of having shrink or Heart Rate Variability (HRV) therapy, IMO Amy would likely benefit from a QEEG assessment. This can identify problems of connectivity or amplitude in regions of the brain. (These issues typically result from damage caused by autoimmune damage from inflammation in the brain from a poorly modulated immune system.)
Interventions to correct the EEG problems include QEEG-guided transcranial direct stimulation followed by transcranial alternating current stimulation and EEG biofeedback (AKA neurofeedback). The problem is that the reliability of QEEG software varies greatly, depending on the vendor. The competence of clinicians using this software can also be a problem, along the lines of: "Six months I couldn't spell teacher and now I are one."
But I've seen some dramatic improvements of brain function in clients of competent practitioners in a relatively short period of time.
The now Open-Access Elsevier journal "Brain Stimulation" offers a lot of good articles on these modalities.
And the Neighbors and the doorman pile on. It's telling the those of us on this comment thread feel worse for her than the people that actually know her
Certainly, she's a shitbag of a neighbor, but that's an internal matter in the building. It's investigating and publishing all of this in the paper by the lefties determined to utterly destroy her that makes me sympathetic. She's a shitbag, but she doesn't deserve what the rabid moral clarity crowd is doing to her. They have no 'off' switch....which is why we cannot ever permit them to gain power.
The lefties are nasty little shits.
- Krumhorn
I believe last week there was another mentally ill woman in CA who was recorded going off on various minorities.
Earnest Prole, She was also on the phone reporting the incident and said she was being threatened by an Africa-American man with a bicycle helmet. Check out the video. How would a black woman have described the guy?
The "also" is not the reason the woman's in trouble. It was her threat: Telling a black man "I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life."
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