Fox News has done to our parents what they thought gangsta rap would do to us pic.twitter.com/7tv5SRb6Xz— Seltzer In Place (@VernorsHerzog) June 29, 2020
That went up this morning — after it's been in the news that these people are not uneducated right-wingers. They are lawyers (i.e., educated) and they are Democrats (with a record of donations). [UPDATE: Snopes says the reports that he donated to Democrats were wrong — mistaking him for someone else with the same name: "According to the FEC, the McCloskey in the viral video made multiple donations to the Republican National Committee, to the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, and to Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. in 2016 and 2017."]
Here's some background on the couple, Mark and Patricia McCloskey (at KMOV4).
From Instapundit's post about the couple: "A friend on Facebook observes that although the wife clearly knows nothing about guns, she armed up and stood by her man. You could do worse — though please, go take some lessons now."
And here's Mark McCloskey explaining himself:
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The reports on political donations were wrong. They have given a fair bit of money to Republicans, less to Democrats. Too bad. Them being full-fledged Democrats would have been a good excuse for her poor trigger discipline.
The real world always presents such difficult messaging problems to the Progressive Racist Media.
Unfortunately the couple have Stockholm Syndrome and still claim to support BLM. Meanwhile elected Democrats in DC are calling for Antifa to murder these two Democrat voters who were caught protecting themselves. How 2020 all in all. Bet they vote for Trump anyway.
The nation's new power couple. There's millions more like them out there. From all walks of life.
What's interesting is how the 'protesters' back down when faced with a situation where their DA and politician allies can't bail them out. It doesn't have to be the threat of deadly force. Federal charges and the threat of jail time will do the trick.
They'll all run back to their jobs on campus and at the law firm...
...and yes, she needs better trigger discipline.
They defended themselves and their home against a mob, and nobody was hurt. Hard to do much better.
Perfect example of three things:
1. When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
2. Liberals get the bullet too.
3. The district attorney is threatening to prosecute these two when all sorts of other criminal activity goes unpunished. This is straight out of "The Bonfire of the Vanities."
And a little more context is needed. The trespassers were on the way to the Mayor's house to scream at her for releasing public information that they didn't like. The white female Mayor of St. Louis is a Democrat. In 1995, her husband was killed in a carjacking attempt in which she and her kids were present. Since elected Mayor, she's vowed to reduce crime. It has only gone up.
I also looked at the lawyers' Yelp page. Full of comments calling them both racists, saying they should be disbarred and jailed.
Given the above, why would anyone vote Dem? Trump is the only thing between civilization and chaos.
That interview was fantastic. Thanks for sharing it because I doubt it will be widely publicized.
Let's hear their story.
People do jump to conclusions. Anybody here have a coach who made that speech about the word assume? Good morning, you're now a meme.
That said, the Live, Laugh, Love caption of the woman gripping that poor pistol in her front yard made me snort coffee out my nose.
I'm riding it all the way down, just like Slim Pickens.
They'll all run back to their jobs on campus and at the law firm...
Can we just keep this between us? I'd hate to lose my teaching job...
>> she needs better trigger discipline.
She will be lucky not to get arrested and charged with multiple felonies. Based on what I saw, she pointed a deadly weapon at dozens of people, and at least from the videos I've seen, there was no imminent threat to her, just a lot of people trespassing on a private street and yelling.
In Florida, that would be a slam dunk Aggravated Assault arrest.
He generally held his AR at the low ready, which gives him some defense against a similar charge.
She was basically using her firearm as a pointer. I've seen many inexperienced people do this on the range and it's terrifying...
I would much rather have these people as neighbors than the guy in Minneapolis who was happy that his business burned to appease a mob.
And it is moments like that which call for a Saiga 12 Gauge with a 20 shell drum.
Those poor people were paranoids who over-reacted and deserve every bit of ridicule they get.
My favorite people on twitter are the people saying, "Oh, I wonder what it was about the protesters that scared them" (they are racist, you see)
and
"They could have just stayed in their house"
and
"why are they so worried about people walking down their street"
as if these people had magical knowledge that the protesters that just broke down their gate weren't the kind to burn and loot and smash.
we are gonna treat these people differently based on who they donate to? or course. In cancel-Mob-leftwing USA Antifastan.
If you donate to D - you get a pass.
If you donate to R - the press will destroy you.
If press mangles the investigation of you, and confuses you for someone else = narrative collateral damage. You will be crushed.
Just to be clear: walking into the open with your firearms when facing a mob is not a good tactical decision.
It would only take 2-3 people coordinating from opposing directions to take them both down. And the opposition wouldn’t need firearms, maybe some well thrown bricks to distract and harm and disorient.
On the flip side they definitely accomplished their goal.
Bet they vote for Trump anyway.
But Trump winning only ensures four more years of rioting.
Talk about yer extortion.
"The only thing that stopped the crowd from approaching the house was when I had that rifle."
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away [which is a best case scenario but they could also have the blue-flu, be busy "standing down" cause their DA/Mayor told them to, be on another call, or have been defunded and so are understaffed or nonexistent but remember according to your "betters" you don't need a gun].
What difference does it make what party he contributed to?
After the mob smashed down the gate to their home, let's now all smash down the gates to their private lives and gang up on them some more.
It’s always amazing watching a meme happen in real life. I can’t wait for the Halloween costumes. I’ve got a working title for the TV movie: “JC Penny’s Strikes Back.” Tagline: “When Karen pulls a piece, you know shit’s gotten real.” My god, watching this society self-immolate is going to be glorious. Just when you thought white guilt and white masochism couldn’t drive whites to new lows of self-loathing and self-flagellation. And yet, steadfastly self-obsessed. It’s all about me!
"There's millions more like them out there"
Many not as nice, with less to lose, and better armed.
Of course, part of the left wants to escalate.
Trump and the deplorables haven't given it to them, yet.
HOME INVASION
HOW TO DRESS AND POSE FOR THE SMART PHONE
WHEN THE MOB HAS ENTERED YOUR GATES
- if he was not home when they invaded, what would they have done?
- if he came out and surrendered - I am unarmed, I support blacks, I am a white oppressor and he kneeled - what would they have done
SEE CLOCKWORK ORANGE AND THE DICK STATUE
- Everyone needs a camera running in the smart phone age. We only see one rioter self-serving video - look at this dork - we don't see his viewpoint - 25 masked invaders with blunt weapons and spray paint cans running loose in his yard
- if you got a gun, better use it - if someone jumped him and got the gun away it would look like Clint Eastwood with Sandy on that train in The Gauntlet
- notice the media ALWAYS colors them for you - PEACEFUL PROTESTERS
They were not "beset by a mob". A peaceful protest was merely passing their house on the way to mayor's house and they decided to come outside armed to berate the protesters. Look at the protesters, they never leave the sidewalk. I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters.
The same thing happened when the witch hunters went after anyone plausibly related to the "White Hispanic", seeking to carry out social justice with a bigoted eye.
"...and yes, she needs better trigger discipline."
Which would never have been a problem, had the "protestors" not broken through a locked gate and refused to leave private property when requested.
Do stupid things, get stupid results.
There is no reason Mark McCloskey needs to explain himself.
Claiming that one supports BLM does not mean as much as you think it means. There is a motte and bailey situation going on. BLM can mean support for anti-racism and police reform. That's not a controversial position and has wide support across all political stripes. However, the BLM organization is a radical left-wing/Marxist organization that wants a race war or equivalent, even if its membership does not always realize that, and has been violently rioting and engaging in intimidation that verges on terrorism. One can easily support the former and not the latter. However, those who wish to control will use the motte and bailey fallacy for all it is worth.
St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner, who is not a bad white person, said:
"I am alarmed at the events that occurred over the weekend, where peaceful protestors were met by guns and a violent* assault. We must protect the right to peacefully protest, and any attempt to chill it through intimidation or threat of deadly force will not be tolerated."
*violence is silence.
Threatening with guns is morally wrong, whether done by thugs against victims, or victims against thugs. Can’t we alL just be nice?
the reports that he donated to Democrats were wrong
At least one Democrat MO State Senate says he's giving money back so they must have donated to Democrats at some point.
A few weeks ago when things here in the Atlanta area were a little more unsettled, there was a pop up demonstration for George Floyd at our south suburban city hall - right across the street from my condo complex. My senior-aged neighbors were quite anxious as to what might develop. A few of us took our lawn chairs out to our front parking lot and decided to be "visible". No weapons (that I'm aware of), just our own version of solidarity.
2020 in the USA.
A list of the gate torn down would be an enhancement to this post. It is in the twitter replies.
One of my nephews attended St. Louis University his freshman year. While walking from his dorm to the library, he witnessed a murder right in front of him. That was in the last century.
St. Louis University has the largest private police force in Missouri. It's needed.
And I was looking to stop at a BBQ place in STL in the neighborhood of St. Louis University. It had a number of signs warning patrons of car theft and break-ins.
The Crack Emcee said...Those poor people were paranoids who over-reacted and deserve every bit of ridicule they get.
There's that.
The picture looks like a scene from a poorly written comedy.
Imagine. A normal person protecting himself and his property from attack.
When and why did that become unusual?
Which would never have been a problem...
Not excused. You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot. Or the boob. Or your friend's boob...
FF
What would you have done? And how do you know they were peaceful? Things can turn on a dime as we have seen.
And in the interview the guy claimed he heard a gun being loaded. And they threatened his dog. He feared for his life.
She was basically using her firearm as a pointer. I've seen many inexperienced people do this on the range and it's terrifying...
My ex and I bought handguns 30+ years ago and took training lessons from a Chicago cop. One rule he emphasized is that you never point a gun at flesh unless you clearly plan to fire.
She looks like an idiot who was never trained.
For those of you who don't get it, that's a private street that is not open to the public. The protesters had to violently break down the metal gate to access it, which very much invalidates the argument that this was a peaceful protest. If you think dozens of angry people breaking into your property and trespassing does not qualify as a concern, I am not sure what you would consider a concern. When granted the luxury, it is generally not wise to wait for home invaders to start smashing and burning things before you decide to act.
If your claim is they could have handled it better, well, sure. Every gun owner could have several years of professional firearm training combined with a conflict resolution seminar, and then perfectly address a stressful situation that most people will never face. If you think that a reasonable position, I am not sure what else to say.
Funny, my first thought was: how many of their neighbors are standing at windows holding similar guns?
My 94 year old neighbor (who refuses to wear a mask: "I've seen the end of the world coming a few times.") borrowed some gun oil from me when we had a protest scheduled for a few miles away. I found out he has a Korean war bring-home M1.
Luckily the FL police aren't f'ing around and the "mostly peaceful" protestors only trashed some cars and did some spray paint vandalism. Might have been the over 200 cops "around" the scene.
-XC
they had a chance to put BLM support signs on their lawn and fly various banners - if their campaign donations are a guide to their politics
Freder Frederson: "They were not "beset by a mob". A peaceful protest was merely passing their house on the way to mayor's house and they decided to come outside armed to berate the protesters. Look at the protesters, they never leave the sidewalk. I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters."
So many lies and purposeful distortions in so few words.
The rioters broke thru a private gate into a private community: Not peaceful
Not a public road nor a public sidewalk.
The rioters were carrying weapons and screaming threats at the owners.
Screaming and threatening rioters went onto the yard of the property...while screaming threats...
This is not far from where Howards Heroes and Inga's heroes murdered David Dorn....gleefully.
And on and on it goes.
Field Marshall Freder is back to Full Bundy Case Liar Mode.
Freder said...
Look at the protesters, they never leave the sidewalk.
Kind of a chicken or the egg problem here.
"The only thing that stopped the crowd from approaching the house was when I had that rifle."
Which is why we have 'all' of our guns loaded and unlocked whenever we are at home. If we leave the house then the gun safe is stocked and locked. Extra ammo is also stored not only in the gun safe now but in other locations.
I consider the edge of my home to be at the gate to our property.
The likelihood of our area being mobbed is pretty small..probably nil. The likelihood of an increase in robbery and other crimes using BLM as an excuse....pretty damn good. Better safe than sorry.
What is wrong with her trigger discipline? I assume she was planning to shoot in a threatening situation. Was she supposed to wait for an invitation? Her stance really needs some work. And she should get a better gun. So should he. These people need to practice more and get better equipment.
"A peaceful protest was merely passing their house on the way to mayor's house and they decided to come outside armed to berate the protesters. Look at the protesters, they never leave the sidewalk. I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters."
"Peaceful protestors"? They forfeited that claim when they broke through a metal gate.
The new American Gothic.
By Any Means Necessary
"Blogger Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Unfortunately the couple have Stockholm Syndrome and still claim to support BLM. "
Listen more carefully, he does not support BLM marxists which is what he called them. He support and defends black lives all of the time.
Anyone else think the wife looks like Daniel Craig in drag?
Was any property damaged (other than that gate) on the march to the mayor's house?
Were any of the marchers carrying weapons (including baseball bats)?
. I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters.
Have you got that list of surgery centers that don't require surgeons to have hospital privileges yet?
You idiot. Speaking of liars.
From Instapundit's post about the couple: "A friend on Facebook observes that although the wife clearly knows nothing about guns, she armed up and stood by her man. You could do worse — though please, go take some lessons now."
Good girl though, to stand by her man. That looks like a little cheapo .32 or .25, I can't see it well, a Jennings or Raven or such? Daddy owes her a nicer piece. Or two. A gun safe instead of (another) jewelry box.
And lessons, definitely.
Paranoid? That's like when the bully, when called, saying Aintchoo got no sensayuma?
The guy also needs to pick up his game. Checks the box for Rule 3, and im not saying he needs tacticool gear, a Ching Sling or whatever they call the modern harness, but I didn't see any reloads in sight, let alone a secondary piece, in case of jams.
Yes this did the trick most excellently, this time, and I congratulate them, but the next wave comes harder in every game I've ever played. And the next wave will know these people are strapped. Perhaps next time there will be police.
Let us not forget this is the same Soros-funded DA that is under investigation for the phony smear campaign against the Republican governor Greitens, who had to leave office because of it. A so-called 'mistress' came forward and claimed nude photos had been distributed, now it's coming out that she was coached.
I admire the homeowner's resolve and am very, very thankful that their gun-handling didn't result in a disaster. I hope the scare motivates them to train more and be better-prepared.
And I still wonder about that person going through the gate in a smart blue suit clutching a two-way radio.
>>He feared for his life.
I think that's going to be a tough sell, if the local prosecutor tries to make an example of them.
And they live in a mansion. Don't they have security cameras which would show the events from their side of the confrontation?
"If it were mobs of Ku Klux Klan instead of leftists rioting, looting and attacking innocent people on the streets, and a mob of KKK showed up in front of the house of a black man and woman who responded the same way as the white man and woman in St. Louis, which side would you be on?" Comment on Volokh
And now we have STL local reporters (Channel 5) telling us and showing at least 1 rioter pulled out an AK-47 when the mob reached the mayor's house.
Freder and his lies hardest hit.
"According to the FEC, the McCloskey in the viral video made multiple donations to the Republican National Committee, to the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, and to Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. in 2016 and 2017."
I see Snopes got right on that one.
Priorities.
Boutique Attorneys and guns, what could possibly go wrong?
What is wrong with her trigger discipline? I assume she was planning to shoot in a threatening situation. Was she supposed to wait for an invitation?
The latest instruction is 'outside the guard until you're on target and ready to fire'. She's neither. She flinches at a noise or hand gets sweaty and regrips, negligent discharge is a strong possibility.
With a modest bit of training you can learn how to extend that index finger down the slide and easily get to the trigger in a hurry if the situation requires...
If I could give upvotes to Static Ping @9:18, I'd give a bunch.
A regular Bonnie and Clyde.
A regular Bonnie and Clyde.
That DA is a piece of work. A piece of Soros work, to be precise.
local prosecutor and the mayor, are in league with the rioters and criminals,
Why should their politics matter? An angry, potentially violent, mob broke down the gate to their private street, threatened them, and they protected themselves and their property. Shouldn't EVERYONE applaud them?
So, now we're supposed to care that angry mobs that trash private property might get their feelings hurt? Oh no, they felt *SCARED* when they threatened someone on private property. The objects of their attack had *GUNS* and they *WAVED THEM AROUND*. Horrors.
What is this country coming to when you can't together with 100 other people, form a destructive mob, tear down a private gate, trespass on private property, and issue threats, without having a Gun waved around?
Its anarchy!
Seriously, Missouri is an open carry state. And they had were on their own property and had a perfect right to defend it, and arm themselves if they felt threatened. Case Closed.
Immediately the Press and the Democrats go snooping around trying to find dirt on two people who defended themselves against a dangerous mob. Why aren't they trying to find out WHO was in the MOB? What were they up to? Why were they there? What is THEIR background? Give us the dirt on THEM.
What is wrong with her trigger discipline? I assume she was planning to shoot in a threatening situation.
@DBQ, I had to zoom the picture to see it, but the tip of her finger is inside the trigger guard. She should not do that unless she’s in stance and aiming at a target. I’m guessing that the gun’s “safety” is a long trigger pull, but she’s risking an AD in a very fraught situation.
Zooming also lets me see the fingernail of her husband’s trigger finger, so his finger is outside the trigger guard. I’m going to talk about this picture with my wife. If something like this happens (unlikely, given the number of well-armed neighbors Freder’s “peaceful” mob would have to walk past!) I want her where we have a crossfire on potential assailants, not the other way around.
In addition to lessons and range time for his wife, he should treat her to a pistol-caliber carbine. Two long guns instead of one.
The stripes make her look fat.
Blogger Drago said...
"And now we have STL local reporters (Channel 5) telling us and showing at least 1 rioter pulled out an AK-47 when the mob reached the mayor's house.
Freder and his lies hardest hit."
I happened to see a still yesterday showing exactly this. You could see the business end of the weapon clearly in the pic. And yes, this lady really needs to get some practice time in; she did look ill at ease, unsure of the correct protocol. But, I give her props for standing tall next to her husband.
Unfortunately, this couple will be charged because... reasons. We all know where this is heading.
Jersey Fled said...
What difference does it make what party he contributed to?
6/30/20, 8:31 AM
I really wish this question never had to be asked.
Howard said...
Boutique Attorneys and guns, what could possibly go wrong?
***************
Howard, you are just crestfallen that they didn't come out blazing.
Instead, they offered enough "show of force" to save their home from your soulmates in the mob.
A bloodbath is what you want. Admit it.
“According to the FEC, the McCloskey in the viral video made multiple donations to the Republican National Committee, to the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, and to Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. in 2016 and 2017."
Beware America, your campaign donations are being recorded by the government and will be used against you if you are a Republican. Donate wisely, comrade.
rehhjam The latest instruction is 'outside the guard until you're on target and ready to fire'. She's neither. She flinches at a noise or hand gets sweaty and regrips, negligent discharge is a strong possibility.
You are quite correct. I was being facetious.😉 I do know what proper gun handling is.
This poor woman was trying her best in a very scary situation. Good for her. Shoulder to shoulder with her man.
It is obvious that she is painfully unfamiliar with fire arms and could benefit with some instructions and familiarity with guns. She also deserves a better weapon. In addition to a handgun a Lady Smith 35 revolver for house and camping, my go to for household protection is a Mossberg 500 Persuader. 12 gauge pump action. When precision isn't exactly required and you don't care about your drywall. Plus...uneducated people are more afraid of shotguns.
Her husband could also use some training and a better rifle...or two.
If this chaos continues to be encouraged and tolerated, more people will discover the reason for the 2nd Amendment.
Freder Frederson: "They were not "beset by a mob". A peaceful protest
The "peaceful protest" included:
Breaking the gate,
brandishing weapons,
threat of murder,
threat to kill their dog,
threat to burn down their house.
It's interesting to note all this happened before the residents came out with guns. So Freder's position boils down to a left wing mob can do literally anything except lynch people and be determined "peaceful", and a lynching would only downgrade it to "mostly peaceful".
Meanwhile anyone reacting to the mob at all - even matching something the mob did - is out of line. This is why left wingers in charge of anything is disastrous. They're so politically biased they can't judge anything reasonably.
He might as well just admit he believes laws shouldn't apply to blacks and left wingers.
rcocean said... Why aren't they trying to find out WHO was in the MOB?
Revealing difference isn't it. We still don't know who attacked the Wisconsin legislator even though she's recognizable despite her mask. You know there are 50 7th graders somewhere who saw her face every day last school year.
Blogger Static Ping said...
For those of you who don't get it, that's a private street that is not open to the public. The protesters had to violently break down the metal gate to access it, which very much invalidates the argument that this was a peaceful protest. If you think dozens of angry people breaking into your property and trespassing does not qualify as a concern, I am not sure what you would consider a concern. When granted the luxury, it is generally not wise to wait for home invaders to start smashing and burning things before you decide to act."
The commenters are marxists who condone all of this violence and destruction, that is the only way you could justify spinning it. Some folks have to suffer to over throw a country. You may think this is over the top but it is not, think about it.
Freder Frederson said...
I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters.
Notice Freder finds it acceptable for the mob to brandish weapons even as he criticizes others for doing so. If mobs brandishing weapons are peaceful, residents brandishing weapons in response are also peaceful.
Serious question to those who feel they overreacted.
You have seen the mobs beat multiple people badly, burn down innocent people's property, and you know they have shot and killed innocent people as well. So how long do you wait until you arm yourself after they break down the gate and start toward your house and then walk onto your lawn and threaten you. Remember, the cops are not coming, not in time, and probably not even today. The amped-up, self-righteous and mindless mob can do whatever they want to you, your loved ones, and your property without being stopped by anybody but you. Nobody is going to help you. You don't know who is in the crowd, how unhinged they may be, or what crazy ideas they hold about you and yours.
I would have stayed inside with cover and warned them when they got close, but they did not seem to have the tactical training that would tell them that was better, but we should not all need to have tactical training to protect our lives. The people who break the law and terrorize people in their homes are the ones responsible for what that causes terrified people to do. Those homeowners were justifiably fearing great bodily harm from that mob. You would have to be stupid not to.
Not all of us are blessed with a Clint Eastwood gene. In times of stress and apprehension, not everyone is totally cool and proportionately responsive to the threats at hand....I'm not commenting on this situation, but I've seen videos of the mob surrounding cars and pounding on them. It's just a matter of time before someone steps on the pedal and runs them over. The people who get run over will claim martyr status, and the driver who panics will become demonized. He might get off in a trial, but his life will be ruined. Not so much as the life of Reginald Denny, but ruined nonetheless......There was an implied threat in the behavior of those demonstrators who were mostly peaceful when they weren't tearing down fences. You can use menace as a negotiating tactic and it works fine until such time as it doesn't.
Howard: "Boutique Attorneys and guns, what could possibly go wrong?"
Howard's Heroes and AK-47's, what could possibly go wrong?....
.......oh, right.....Shooting at Seattle’s CHOP protest site kills 16-year-old boy, leaves 14-year-old seriously injured
The inevitable results of Howard's Heroes and their Inga-approved "spark of divinity" killings........
The father of Horace Lorenzo Anderson — the 19-year-old who was fatally shot in Seattle’s “Capitol Hill Organized Protest” (CHOP) earlier this month — said it is time for the “autonomous” zone to go.
“I ain’t been sleeping. You see my eyes. I’ve been crying. I’m trying not to cry on TV,” said Anderson, the victim’s father.
Anderson “says the zone should go” and believes the National Guard should step in and remove the demonstrators, according to KIRO 7.
“This doesn’t look like a protest to me no more,” he stated. “That just looks like they just took over and said we can take over whenever we want to.”
“They should deploy them here to say ‘Man, it’s time to go,'” he continued. “‘It’s time to move on. And break this up.’ ”
"What is wrong with her trigger discipline? I assume she was planning to shoot in a threatening situation. Was she supposed to wait for an invitation?"
First and foremost, she did not have trigger discipline because her fingers should have been outside of the trigger guard at all times.
Second, violated handgun safety because she pointed and swept the gun towards people. Never point a gun at anything you are not preparing to shoot right then and there.
Similarly, she should not have been waving the gun around at all. I would not have gone outside the way that they did, but if I had, I would hold a handgun 2-handed, arms extended and pointing clearly towards the ground.
What the snarling left doesn't realize is how many millions of us are out here NOT getting our pictures taken and blasted all over the Internet.
With guns.
I don't know why you find it acceptable for people to brandish guns at peaceful protesters.
Because that's the best way to make sure they stay peaceful.
Howard: "Boutique Attorneys and guns, what could possibly go wrong?"
Giving the State, the bloodiest gunslinger in history, a monopoly on armed force, what could possibly go wrong?
For the answer, look up "Democide."
Still waiting for Freder's list of surgery centers.
When it confirms his bias, Drago is concerned about the violent death of a Black teenager. I suppose that's progressive.
When it confirms his bias, Drago is concerned about the violent death of a Black teenager. I suppose that's progressive.
To be precise progressives are only concerned about kids deaths when they are politically useful. Bias is not technically part of the requirement, although in practice it tends to turn out the same.
It's just a matter of time before someone steps on the pedal and runs them over. The people who get run over will claim martyr status, and the driver who panics will become demonized.
@William (1:23), it already happened. August 12, 2017. James Alex Fields will spend the rest of his life in prison. Inga claims Heather Heyer is a martyr.
And now we have STL local reporters (Channel 5) telling us and showing at least 1 rioter pulled out an AK-47 when the mob reached the mayor's house.
Does anyone have a link to this? I can't seem to find it via Web search.
It's an important detail it seems.
>>Seriously, Missouri is an open carry state...
Correct. But it is not an "point your gun at anybody on your lawn" state. A zealous prosecutor could make a case against the wife, I would think, for repeatedly pointing her pistol directly at any number of people.
And let me hasten to add I hope that doesn't happen, and I hope they have video from their side that shows clearly what they saw and were reacting to.
Blogger Bilwick said...
Howard: "Boutique Attorneys and guns, what could possibly go wrong?"
Giving the State, the bloodiest gunslinger in history, a monopoly on armed force, what could possibly go wrong?
For the answer, look up "Democide."
You probably missed my exchange with former Marine, ever vigilant Krumhorn about the silliness of his dreams of an armed response to BLM thugs. He went on about he and his wife had to be very careful about what they said in public because they would jeopardize their Boutique Law Firm. I then went on to make fun of him as a Boutique Attorney. Truth is stranger than fiction.
William:
Your car hypo is my vague recollection of what started Sherman McCoy's troubles in Tom Wolfe's "The Bonfire of the Vanities."
I didn't read along when Ann did her re-reading and posts of it.
Wolfe really predicted all of this. I remain convinced that attorney Ben Crump in FL read the book and that's how he positioned Travyon Martin as a scholar and cute kid when he was far, far from it. His plan worked as he got millions from the homeowners' associations insurer.
Crump is not representing the Floyd Estate. City of Minneapolis will pay out a fortune.
I'm amazed that a trained lawyer would go on TV when facing the possibility of criminal prosecution. I have never been to law school, but I know to keep my mouth shut in a situation like this unless my defense lawyer is by my side.
Any response from our hostess or other lawyers?
Howard: "When it confirms his bias, Drago is concerned about the violent death of a Black teenager. I suppose that's progressive."
That would be the black teenager you and Inga are ignoring because it exposes your bias.
Notice that Howard does not address the grieving observations of the victim's father....because the killer is a member of Howard's Heroes.
A couple standing their ground to an encroaching blight or a couple kneeling, begging for dignity from an encroaching mob. Human former, and gangsta latter.
Blogger TreeJoe said...
Just to be clear: walking into the open with your firearms when facing a mob is not a good tactical decision.
Maybe. But they might have felt their alternative—cowering inside waiting for the molotov cocktails—was worse.
It would only take 2-3 people coordinating from opposing directions to take them both down. And the opposition wouldn’t need firearms, maybe some well thrown bricks to distract and harm and disorient.
This is true. Had that occurred they might have been happy just to take Five or ten—or fifteen—miscreants out with them.
On the flip side they definitely accomplished their goal.
They vanquished their enemies, saw them driven before them, and heard the lamentations of the women. This is best in life.
Notice how Drago tries to drag Howard into topics he has no interest in and then make up suspected potential opinions - a Straw Howard, then demands Howard defend Drago's Chimeras.
Drago do a bunged up job defending the improper muzzle discipline displayed by the Ambulance Chasing Deplorérables. He awards them Heroes of the New White Nationality Order with all the rights and privileges thereunto pertaining.
Why I just bought an M-1 Carbine for my wife, and a crate of 1080 rounds. These protesting people have no intention of stopping unless confronted with armed force. Congratulations leftists, you just made everyone re-arm and build up ammo stockpiles after the earlier crisis died down. Cast 50 9mm bullets yesterday - more bullets than brass, but that can change.
West Texas Intermediate Crude, Missouri has the castle doctrine in force. If someone comes on your property, you have no requirement to retreat. This goes double if it is an armed mob that broke down your gate. If they try to prosecute him, they will almost certainly lose. Last I knew the police were investigating criminal charges... against the protesters.
WTI
McCloskey had to get his side of the story out ASAP to pre-empt a possible indictment. The facts and law are on his side, but not the mob.
And he does have a criminal defense lawyer.
Fox News? So CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and the rest supported their right to protect their home and lives from the mob? Only Fox. Interesting.
I do wonder why this millionaire couple that only contribute to Democrats chose to exercise the second amendment privileges that they want to deny everyone else. Of course I'm stupid enough to wonder why they weren't overpowered and torn limb from limb by the enormous mob. Sure, three or four may have been shot but they could have overwhelmed the very wealthy and scrupulously honest lawyers in seconds. It's almost as though the protesters weren't deadly serious and dedicated to the mission.
Howard: "Drago do a bunged up job defending the improper muzzle discipline displayed by the Ambulance Chasing Deplorérables."
Does "muzzle discipline" include...you know....not actually shooting?
Maybe Howard can return to the field and teach his Howard's Heroes such muzzle discipline....not that they would listen to him of course.
Note: Howard has still not addressed the victim's father's comments regarding Howard's Heroes and their activities.
We all know why.
Drago do a bunged up job defending the improper muzzle discipline displayed by the Ambulance Chasing Deplorérables. He awards them Heroes of the New White Nationality Order with all the rights and privileges thereunto pertaining.
6/30/20, 7:19 PM
Howard prefer Mrs. McCloskey be raped to death in a pool of Mr. McCloskey's blood. Or both be burned alive in the ruins of their home. 6-5 pick'em
“I'm amazed that a trained lawyer would go on TV when facing the possibility of criminal prosecution. I have never been to law school, but I know to keep my mouth shut in a situation like this unless my defense lawyer is by my side.
Any response from our hostess or other lawyers?”
I saw him last night on, I believe, Tucker Carlson, and he had someone, I think is apparently his attorney, by his side. If you listened carefully, he probably didn’t say anything that might ultimately hurt him in court. He was being very careful in what he said. If my memory serves me right, the last question was to their attorney who responded that they had a really strong case, and if they get charged, it will be completely political, by a highly biased, DA who has a record of political prosecutions. That is something that McClisky can’t really say, but his attorney, being an advocate, can.
“ McCloskey had to get his side of the story out ASAP to pre-empt a possible indictment. The facts and law are on his side, but not the mob.
“And he does have a criminal defense lawyer.”
Completely agree with Begley, a practicing attorney, here. Though I think that there will be an indictment. The DA (equivalent) has made her name on abusing her office making political charging decisions. Like the DA in FL who indicted, and brought George Zimmerman to trial for one of the best justified self defense killings in recent FL history. The MO DA here is apparently Soros funded, and likely, by that, to make a gun control case out of it, just because she can, and would be doing her party for the Marxist revolution by doing so.
They were within their rights.
The guy's doing a great job, considering
Good luck to them
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