Against this backdrop [the "explosive incidents involving race and police violence"], several nonwhite prospects have emerged from the pack. Top Biden allies see Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), who is African American and Indian, as a leading contender. Biden has also said he is considering Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.). And Democratic leaders have suggested former Georgia gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams, Rep. Marcia L. Fudge (D-Ohio), Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.). Demings, Abrams and Fudge are black; Duckworth’s mother was Thai, and Cortez Masto, who said Thursday that she had removed herself from consideration, is Latina.Is half Thai going to relieve the stoked pressure?
Biden really got himself cornered by already promising to pick a woman — otherwise black men would be in consideration. What about Cory Booker?!
From the Wikipedia article on Val Demings:
During Demings’s time helming the Orlando Police Department from 2007 to 2011, the police department continued a long record of excessive-force allegations and a lack of transparency dating from prior to and throughout her tenure as chief. From 2010 to 2014, the department paid out more than $3.3 million in damages in at least 47 lawsuits alleging false arrest, excessive force, and other complaints. A 2008 a Orlando Weekly expose described the Orlando Police Department as “a place where rogue cops operate with impunity, and there’s nothing anybody who finds himself at the wrong end of their short fuse can do about it.” Demings responded in a op-ed in the Orlando Sentinel, arguing that “Looking for a negative story in a police department is like looking for a prayer at church, “It won't take long to find one.” In the same op-ed she cast doubt on the veracity of witness videos as evidence when it conflicts with officers statements in excessive force cases, writing, “a few seconds (even of video) rarely capture the entire set of circumstances.” A 2016 Orlando Sentinel investigation found that in 2010, the last complete year Demings served as chief, the agency used force 20 percent more than officers in Baton Rouge, a similarly-sized city with a similar majority-minority population mix and a department about the same size.Hard to believe that Demings can be the choice with that in her record.
In 2010, an Orlando police officer flipped and broke the neck of 84-year-old Daniel Daley after the man became belligerent, leaving him critically injured. Witnesses and Daley's family alleged excessive force and filed a lawsuit. The police department cleared the officer as "justified" in using a "hard take down" to arrest Daley, concluding he used the technique correctly even though he and the other officer made conflicting statements. Demings said “the officer performed the technique within department guidelines” and said they would launch a broader review of department procedures. A federal jury disagreed, ruling in Daley's favor and awarding him $880,000 in damages.
Kamala Harris proved herself to be inept in the role of candidate, but at this stage of play, she seems to be the last person available. Interesting for her. I was going to say lucky for her, but it won't be easy stepping into this role.
ADDED: This morning's WaPo also has a column by Val Demings, "My fellow brothers and sisters in blue, what the hell are you doing?":
When an officer engages in stupid, heartless and reckless behavior, their actions can either take a life or change a life forever. Bad decisions can bring irrevocable harm to the profession and tear down the relationships and trust between the police and the communities they serve. Remember, law enforcement needs that trust just as the public does. Think before you act! Remember, your most powerful weapon is the brain the good Lord gave you. Use it!...The top-rated comment over there is: "Beautifully written. Joe Biden here is your Vice President."
Why do bad things happen? Bad mind, bad heart or bad policy?... In Minnesota, we have no choice but to hold the officers accountable through the criminal-justice system. But we cannot only be reactive. We must be proactive. We must work with law enforcement agencies to identify problems before they happen. As a nation, we must conduct a serious review of hiring standards and practices, diversity, training, use-of-force policies, pay and benefits (remember, you get what you pay for), early warning programs, and recruit training programs....
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I'd like to see Biden pick Harrris, so that his campaign message turns into one of vindication and revenge against whites.
During Demings’s time helming the Orlando Police Department from 2007 to 2011, the police department continued a long record of excessive-force allegations
Maybe they're aiming for the "tough on crime" voters.
I do so enjoy when Democrat Identity Games turn into Democrat Hunger Games.
Racial tragedies are fake for entertainment. Now it leads into more entertainment - must be a black woman VP. Can we find one who's literate or will we need an ebonics respresentative to the calm racial tension that we're stoking.
It's helped by blacks having a large proportion of not very bright people for the demonstrations. Passing up their free ticket to success - good character - for mayhem.
The stoking of resentment there is the chosen method to the stock narrative, which so far always sells eyeballs.
The evil guys in the story are in the news biz.
Kamala the Drug Warrior.
Biden’s Brown Sugar Sweepstakes is not going well.
They left out Elizabeth Warren.
Biden/Fudge 2020 has some appeal, so long as Marcia stays in the basement with Joe and all we see on television is pictures of a chocolaty treat.
Right. Harris hates Whites so much she married one.
He could pick the black madonna (as in virgin mary, not the material girl) and I wouldn't vote for him. I think lots of dems think that too.
Look at Klobuchar...what things are lurking in Harris's past? Tank Abrams? Death sentence. Biden ain't no ways finding a way out of this one.
I'm waiting for the autopsy, by the way. And didn't Rodney King depend on missing video to explain what was going on.
What is the love of mobs these days. Nothing depends on speed here.
Lower income blacks and whites are out of work - because of a virus from the Chinese communists.
Talk about tampering with the election.
I doubt morning Joe will talk about it.
In any case, what we are going to see over the summer is some really bad shit in our major cities.
“PLEASE oh please Br’er Biden, do NOT pick dat Stacey Abrams”, cried out Br’er Trump, “anyone but Stacey Adams!”
Is half Thai going to relieve the stoked pressure?
You never go full Thai.
It might be a racial comedy for Biden. In a tragedy you die, and in a comedy you get married.
I could only think of "mansplaining."
It's a standard gesture for politicians and other salesmen.
Biden/Duckworth 2020: Half a Thai is better than none.
Biden/Duckworth 2020: This time he went for the Thai, instead of the breast.
Pick them by the color of their skin. It doesn't matter if they have the ability to do the job. It's the only thing that matters to the left anymore. Martin Luther King would be rolling over in his grave.
Lurker21 said...
Right. Harris hates Whites so much she married one.
5/29/20, 8:46 AM
Same logic says Trump is a RACIST. He dated one for two years.
Duckworth’s mother was Thai
"Duckworth was the first Thai-American woman elected to Congress, the first born in Thailand elected to Congress, the first woman with a disability to be elected to Congress, the first female double amputee in the Senate, and the first Senator to give birth while in office. Duckworth is the second Asian American woman serving in the U.S. Senate, after Mazie Hirono, and before Kamala Harris."
I'd like to see Biden pick Harrris, so that his campaign message turns into one of vindication and revenge against whites.
I think that's Abrams moreso than Harris, who seems doomed anyway because of her background as a prosecutor.
Having Abrams on the ticket is the only way to make the Dem activist base happy, so he probably has to pick her. I don't see any of those other names mollifying the base.
Biden's VP pick is going to be based on riots in a Dem-run city and state? The Democrats are a shit show.
I think one of the cops are thai
https://www.centralfloridapost.com/2020/01/18/val-demings-begged-for-meeting-with-roger-stone-lost-gun-as-police-chief/
duckworth also let veterans wither on the vine, when she was in charge of veterans affairs, and was the point of contact with durbin, on the alexandria shooter,
Black Man Killed, Democrat Politician Hardest Hit.
First thought is that Biden has cornered himself into selecting a token for VP. Kamala would demean herself by accepting the role, but she will of course take it if offered.
Second thought is that certain professions attract heros and a small number of sociopaths. Police, firemen, teachers, soldiers, doctors and nurses -- all have workers who get off on inflicting pain on those weaker than themselves.
The goal is to identify sociopathic behavior early and move those folks onto a different profession. (i.e. fire them)
I think the "poor and disenfranchised" are looting in Minneapolis. But Antifa is behind the improvised explosives and the cut gas lines. The police could have stopped this violence in hours. Instead they were idle observers. People who already had most of their citizenship rights stripped away as part of the Covid 19 lockdown, now are watching their homes and businesses burn. Nice stuff. Looks more like ethnic cleansing (of Whites and Asians and their small businesses) than Black Lives Matter.
marcia fudge, oh this just gets better and better,
The top-rated comment over there is: "Beautifully written. Joe Biden here is your Vice President."
That comment reads to me like someone who dreads thinking about the Biden ticket and wants a running mate sent by 'Central Casting' -- pronto!
Boy, what a pickle they put themselves in by enslaving themselves to the identity politics game. Who that isn't already going to vote for Biden will be convinced to do so because he picked a black person as VP? What Trump supporter will flip to Biden? And what will the black Vice President do to prevent a white cop in MN from killing a black man?
Abrams might help Biden carry Georgia, which would be a big swing to the D's. But Val Demmings gives him Florida, I suspect.
I'm still sure that Biden will win the election, due to massive D vote fraud.
I'm still sure that Biden can't last 4 years.
Say hello to soon-to-be President Demmings.
And no Klobuchar for VP. https://sports.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-183728902.html
It's a Hutu/Tutsi riot or post-apartheid Progressive lynch mob.
Democracy Dies in Darkness!
Kamala Harris proved herself to be inept in the role of candidate, but at this stage of play, she seems to be the last person available.
She tried to play the race card on Biden in the debates. Black voters ignored her and voted for Biden. To argue that Biden has to put Kamala Harris on his ticket because of her skin color is racist. Let's call it what it is.
Biden should put Tulsi Gabbard on the ticket. If you care about pigmentation, she's as dark as Kamala is. More importantly, her criminal justice positions are much stronger than Kamala, who was a prosecutor. And like many prosecutors, she was an unfair hard ass. (And a hypocrite). Listen to the crowd cheer as Tulsi nails her.
Biden is "The generic Democrat" while the DNC figures out what to do.
The riots are focusing attention on their black base.
I would love to know who organized the looting. A lot is spontaneous but somebody started it and let the looters know they were safe.
During the Rodney King riots in LA, a niece of mine was living in Hollywood, in a sketchy area. I called her to be sure she was OK and she told me that some guys had come into her apartment building and announced that the furniture store next door was going to looted and burned at 9 PM so, if anyone wanted anything, they should be outside at 9.
"the man became belligerent"
Sure, cops make mistakes, sometimes dreadfully. But how many violent arrests involve innocent citizens who are in no way "belligerent"?
"We must be proactive"
Best way to be proactive: elect Republicans rather than let the blue swamp fester.
Kamala Harris, a former distrit attorney who put people in jail, and who is married to Doug Emhoff, an old white corporate lawyer who is a partner at DLA Piper, one of the world's largest sleazebag corporate law firms that do the bidding of big corporations. Great pick.
Most normal people are disgusted with a police officer essentially killing a man during arrest.
We are also disgusted with looting and vandalizing and burning and rioting as a reaction.
Many years ago, a young skinning poor white boy was run down by police near Waneka lake in Lafayette. His crime? Growing pot in the fields. He was from a broken family and nearly homeless while in high-school.
The police chased him, held him down, and tazed him. He died.
Ain't nobody rioting over poor skinny white boy.
Racial Tragedies? When did that happen? All that occurred was a policeman in one city in country of 320 million, put his knee on his suspect and said Suspect died. We don't even know what killed him, do we?
WE don't even know is the force used violated police guidelines or what 3 of the 4 other cops were doing. And 65% of crooks killed by the police are NOT black. SO, I'm not too sure what the "Racial Tragedy" is. But it seems white people can never get too worked up about RACISM!!! - Has someone talked bout Emmitt Till yet?
What will the black Vice President do to prevent blacks from killing other blacks?
That's where the numbers add up for dead black people. Not from white police killing blacks.
Is it true that you could loot Target via Instacart?
I suppose we could actually await the facts, and see what they say, but its much more fun to jump to conclusions and talk about how this example of WHITE RACISM made me SICK TO MY STOMACH and we need to FIRE THOSE COPS AND TRY THEM FOR MURDER. 'cause they don't deserve a trial.
And thank God "people" are "Protesting" and getting free TV and assorted dry goods for free. Also, most "Protesters" were wearing masks. Score one for Dr. Fauci!
There's a very simple question in relation to George Floyd:
Why was the officer fired instead of arrested and investigated?
This isn't complicated. And unfortunately, the "protests" - by which I mean huge riots - are muddying the actual issue.
I think it's looking like Stacey Abrams. Authentically African-American, and no record of law enforcement or prosecution "running up the convictions, and protecting the police." Both her parents are pastors, and even Trump has somehow dimly recognized that outreach to black churches might yield some votes. For Biden to win Georgia away from Trump would be a coup, and likely a sign that marginal states are going his way. I don't know if Kamala even makes a difference in California, which will go D in any case, and she has heavy negatives.
The question has come up on this blog before: the cities and states with large African-American populations have had a lot of African-American office holders for decades. If they have answers, where are the results? After all this, riots in Minneapolis, including the destruction of a police precinct? Remember "Fort Apache the Bronx," when the Bronx was some kind of extreme exception that would never come to the rest of the country? In Biden's chatter about blacks and criminal justice (the "you ain't black" conversation), and what a great guy he is, he says almost matter of factly people getting out of prison (he goes back and forth between all such people and black people) have three problems:
1. They were abused as children or their mothers were abused.
2. Can't read.
4. No job skills
Where does one start? Surely if schools can be built in Iraq, they can be built in Minneapolis and even poor old Detroit?
Navin Johnson describes who's eligible for the Dem VP pick:
Navin: Uh, anything in this general area right in here. Anything below the transgender person and on this side of the person with Down's Syndrome. Anything between the half-Thai and the half-black. Anything in this three inches right in here in this area. That includes Susan Rice, but not Amy Klobuchar.
Kamala Harris’s baggage as a prosecutor who made some very questionable judgments is complemented by her poor performance as a campaigner. Her attack on Biden was clumsy and ill-advised. Tulsi Gabbard burned her down during the debates and Harris could only sputter.
He should pick Rachel Dolezal as his running mate. Then all factions win!
How in the world did the selection of the VP candidate come down to gender and race? How about the ability to do the job? Past success in a high level job?
Harris is the only one who remotely fits the bill. She was AG of CA.
"Kamala Harris proved herself to be inept in the role of candidate, but at this stage of play, she seems to be the last person available."
No way that rich, only quarter-black, married to white corporate lawyer, black-incarcerating, police-abuse ignoring, Kamala Harris brings any help to Biden on this topic.
Booker is available for Hillary.
The only candidate that is black and female that is going to help Biden to any degree is Michelle Obama. Harris is probably the safest pick, but she is a terrible campaigner, and not very bright either. Abrams would be a terrible choice.
Yes, Biden made this inordinately difficult by promising to pick a female when his campaign prematurely settled on Klobuchar- I think the offer was made just prior to Super Tuesday, and now Biden has to retract it.
“Black privilege,” etc., stems from these police killings. If the police stopped killing black men how would black leaders and leftmediaswine justify concealing black crime stats showing that black males commit more than half the violent crime in America despite being less than 3% of the population and that, proportionately, cops are more likely to be killed by black men than vice versa. And how would we justify continuing to give blacks what they haven’t earned and can’t manage while biting our tongues.
Having written that, though, there is no chance Biden is going to be the nominee- again- the Democrats in charge aren't that stupid.
Meanwhile, in Chappaqua, a piano crate is being converted into an extra-roomy tanning booth....
I hope a black polyamorous lesbian life scientist develops the Covid vaccine and turns down Biden.
I assume Benjamin Crump and the rent-a-rioters have been brought into this situation because they want to pressure Biden to chose a black running mate (and especially not Klobuchar) right?
I think it's looking like Stacey Abrams. Authentically African-American, and no record of law enforcement or prosecution "running up the convictions, and protecting the police." Both her parents are pastors, and even Trump has somehow dimly recognized that outreach to black churches might yield some votes. For Biden to win Georgia away from Trump would be a coup, and likely a sign that marginal states are going his way. I don't know if Kamala even makes a difference in California, which will go D in any case, and she has heavy negatives.
She couldn't win GA for herself, and now she will win it for a liberal racist? Would the DEMe(stablishment) be hoping that his dog whistles will get some of the racist deplorable vote, and AA VP get the black vote? Is that the idea?
Wasn't there a person of color elected as president a while back who stopped all the racial division and unified the country after each violent racial abuse incident or interracial crime? Why no, there was NOT. There was, however, president who identified as Black who stoked racial animus and discord every opportunity he had, in order to drive division and racial and class hatred to the maximum possible amount. Wonder why he chose to do that? Oh, yeah, that's the same thing other members of his party, of all races, have done every chance possible.
To hell with them, to hell with that. To stop most real racism in the US, stop the government from treating people differently on the basis of their skin color.
Biden has painted himself into a corner with his promises, but just about any other old White guy Democrat would be in the same position. It's not that Biden needs to swing Black voters to his side. He has to get them to turn out to vote. It has to appear that he's on their side and living up to his promises. Probably the woman promise is more important than the person of color promise (and the latter may be at least as important to White progressives as it is to African-Americans).
Neither Abrams nor Harris is particularly likable. Abrams does have the advantage of being "authentically Black," and she isn't saddled with some of Harris's baggage. But Stacey Abrams really turns off a lot of White people. Reactions to Harris aren't as hostile or as visceral, so Harris is likely to be Biden's pick.
Note to future parents: If you want your child to go far in politics, don't give them a name like Stacy/Stacey or Cory/Corey. People get really sick of looking up the right spelling every time they type the name.
Kevin said...
Navin Johnson describes who's eligible for the Dem VP pick:
Navin: Uh, anything in this general area right in here. Anything below the transgender person and on this side of the person with Down's Syndrome. Anything between the half-Thai and the half-black. Anything in this three inches right in here in this area. That includes Susan Rice, but not Amy Klobuchar.
5/29/20, 9:45 AM
My favorite movie of all time!! It still cracks me up.
Lurker21 said...
Right. Harris hates Whites so much she married one.
A very rich one.
I remember reading a hagiographic article about her when she was still a candidate. One of "her closest friends" was quoted as saying "When she married [name] I knew she was running for president."
The article also talked about their schedules and how busy both were. About the only time they saw each other was once a week to eat a sandwich together.
So basically a marriage of convenience
Just like her affair with Willie Brown.
She's a high class whore.
John Henry
rehajm said...Booker is available for Hillary.
That is a reasonable bet. Biden will not be the nominee November.
Yet more evidence that Biden as no more control over his decisions than he has over his bowels. This knowledge is oddly comforting.
No election for the presidency ever turned on who the presidential candidate picked for the vice presidential spot. But it could well turn on what that pick tells us (or could be spun to tell us) about the presidential candidate.
"I'm goin' to pick someone based on the color of their skin..."
>>How in the world did the selection of the VP candidate come down to gender and race? How about the ability to do the job? Past success in a high level job?
Ask the folks who voted for Obama in 2008. He had no executive experience and no past successes.
>>No election for the presidency ever turned on who the presidential candidate picked for the vice presidential spot.
Bush/Quayle may be the exception. There's no doubt Dan Quayle was a net negative in terms of votes.
With Abrams on ticket, can't lose.
Lizzie Borden ... uh - Warren couldn't attract minority votes during the presidential primaries, but suddenly she is the VP favorite among blacks and hispanics.
Amy Klobuchar is done in despite the fact that it was a Grand Jury, not the MN Senator, that decided not to indict officer Derek Chauvin in an earlier incident of the policeman's violence.
African-Americans Kamala Harris and Stacy Abrams cannot even get minority support in VP polls.
I think that representative Val Demmings, formerly a police chief in Florida is the best minority candidate but I would love to see former DOJ Assistant Director Sally Yates become the nominee because that directly attacks DJT and potentially replaces his toady VP with a very smart lady who happens to be white.
Richard Dolan said...
No election for the presidency ever turned on who the presidential candidate picked for the vice presidential spot."
We have never had a presidential nominee suffering from early stage Alzheimer's before.
Francisco D said...
rehajm said...Booker is available for Hillary.
That is a reasonable bet. Biden will not be the nominee November.
I was frankly amazed that she did not choose him in 2016. I think she would have won the election if she had done so.
Gadfly Yates prays that Biden picks her. She knows she is in deep doo doo legally right now.
As for Biden picking Abrams? It's not like her career path is going to worsen if she is on a losing ticket. Abrams looks like a not nice version of Aunt Jemima. She and Senility China Joe will make the perfect political match made in heaven.
No election for the presidency ever turned on who the presidential candidate picked for the vice presidential spot.
Kennedy/Humphrey would have lost Texas and maybe North Carolina. A third party candidate would have been likely and could have picked up enough electoral votes in the Deep South to deny Kennedy victory and throw the election into the House. The House and Senate were both controlled by the Democrats, but if Kennedy got fewer popular votes than Nixon, it would have been hard to justify putting him through. Not all of those Southern Democrats would have been on his side, either.
Even in our last election, it's not hard to think of VP picks who would have been worse than Pence and would have cost Trump the election. It also ought to be easy to think of candidates who would have helped Clinton more than Kaine did and enable her to carry the states necessary to win, but actually it isn't that easy. Maybe that's where the talk of the Democrats' "shallow bench" came from. One reason vice presidential selection doesn't seem to matter is that there may not be that many good choices available. Another is that until recently vice presidents were non-entities. It's true that VP picks rarely affect the election results, but these aren't ordinary times.
There's no doubt Dan Quayle was a net negative in terms of votes
Yes, the media did a perfect job of framing Quayle in their image; Obama, too.
Blogger wendybar said...
My favorite movie of all time!! It still cracks me up.
Get a copy while you still can. Like Blazing Saddles, it's unlikely your grandkids will be able to view it as it was originally released.
What about Cory Booker?!
He has a new girlfriend!! She's an actress, and lives in Hollywood.
BWHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!
DOJ Assistant Director Sally Yates
That bitch is going to jail.
Even in our last election, it's not hard to think of VP picks who would have been worse than Pence and would have cost Trump the election. It also ought to be easy to think of candidates who would have helped Clinton more than Kaine did and enable her to carry the states necessary to win, but actually it isn't that easy.
Pence was OK as ballast for Trump's sexual reputation. Had Hillary chosen Booker, an idiot in my opinion, she would probably have had enough black turnout to win. Pence is weak as a candidate for 2024, and I expect it could be Haley or even Abbot of Texas, our second president in a wheelchair.
gadfly: "....but I would love to see former DOJ Assistant Director Sally Yates become the nominee because that directly attacks DJT and potentially replaces his toady VP with a very smart lady who happens to be white."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'll bet you would!
However, not even the democrats are that stupid....which is saying something.
A number of years ago, Steve Sailer said (I paraphrase), the Republican Party has been marketed (by its enemies) as the "white people's party". If you aren't white, they don't want you and they won't do anything for you. If the Republicans were really as intent on winning as their enemies think they are, they would market the Democratic Party as the "black people's party". Lots of non-black non-whites aren't thrilled by America's black people and especially don't want to be junior partners in a "blacks are first among equals" coalition. Republicans would do this, said Sailer, by highlighting how important and influential blacks are in the Democratic Party.
It looks like this may be happening without any help from Republicans.
I'd love to see Abrams. OR what about Michelle Obama? Now, there's a great choice.
Instead of Obama-Biden, we'll get Biden-obama. We're putting the band back together!
If Biden picks a black female VP, does that get him if the hook for promising to nominate a black female Supreme Court justice?
Does Booker have time to transition to a woman?
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