A comment on "After confronting a diner in a MAGA hat, customer gets tossed from Hill Country Barbecue" (WaPo).
From the article:
A public relations contractor who previously worked for the Democratic National Committee said that he was kicked out of Hill Country Barbecue Market after he confronted a diner wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat on the Fourth of July....He didn't just get negative comments, he garnered them.
“We had just walked in when I saw the guy sitting by the bar with the MAGA hat,” Helmstetter wrote. “I said, ‘Hey, are you from D. C.?’ ” The man said no, and Helmstetter said he responded, “We don’t tolerate racism in this city.”...
On Twitter, Helmstetter said that Hill Country “chose to protect the Nazi’s right but not mine” to dine at the restaurant...
In the cold accounting of Twitter, Helmstetter’s comment was getting “ratioed,” meaning his tweet had received more negative replies than likes. By Friday afternoon, before Helmstetter made his account private, his tweet had garnered nearly 2,300 likes compared with nearly 5,000 comments, many of them negative....
Example of a negative comment:
You didn't stand up to a Nazi. You harassed a guy for wearing a hat you don't like and called him a Nazi because he doesn't agree with your politics.
You threw a hissy fit, made a scene and got asked to leave as a result.
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It would be nice to think that the tide of public opinion [even on Twitter] is starting to turn on this restaurant-shaming business. But I'm skeptical.
He went from seeing a hat to a statement on racial tolerance that implied the man was racist. How did he conclude the man was racist?
Did he think it was the hat itself that was racist and blamed the man by association? That just seems like a manifestation of dementia.
Failed bully Helmstetter deserves an honorary pussy hat from the resistance for his heroic part in the noble fight against hatcrime.
The dawning of the Age of Trump. As the Russia Hoax flips over against the Traitors in DC that made it up, and Trump smiles a lot about our new Eisenhower level peace and prosperity, the civil rules are now being extended to protect his long deplored supporters.
Once again, politics of exclusion practised by an in group are defeated by a good communicator who steadily makes his new group bigger and bigger until it is more popular than the old in group.
I can do relate to the guy in the MAGA hat. And the original article commenter quoted by Althouse. Getting harassed simply for having a viewpoint, and indeed having a lot of false extraneous political baggage thrown onto you by ignorant over emotional political fanatics.
At Hill Country, it was accusing a MAGA hat-wearer of being a racist/Nazi. Here, it’s accusing me (a Republican critic of Trump) of being a leftist/racist/etc.
This strikes at the heart of the problem. When wearing a hat or saying something is interpreted as hostile and violent, actual physical violence is an acceptable response. No more of this "I disagree with what you say but defend your right to say it" nonsense! That was when the cultural zeitgeist was against the progressives. Now they rule the culture and intolerance is the name of the game, intolerance in the name of tolerance!!
Chuck seems to be feeling excluded for his skilled Trump slanders. He has all my pity. Now, if he can just make up one public complement of his President, then all will be forgiven.
The big hot tub at the local YMCA is its best feature. It's huge, really hot and has brutal jets.
I go there to relax and say my daily prayers.
So, a few days after the election, I head to the tub and some old guy is screaming "Trump, Nazis, this and that!" while he sits in the hot tub.
I was already tired of this nonsense that you have the right to throw a public tantrum over losing an election and that other people have to put up with it.
"For Christ's sake!" I yelled at the guy. "Will you shut up about that shit? This is the fucking hot tub, you moron!"
He got pissed off and gave me the bird, but he got out... only to return with the manager who he thought would support him.
The manager told the old bastard to behave himself.
That leftie strategy doesn’t seem to apply when I wear my Sig Sauer Academy hat.
I'm not getting the MAGA = racism thing either. What about it is racist? Trump has never struck me as particularly racist.
Call me a Nazi to my face and you’ll get at least one fist to your face. I’m not going to put up with this bullshit. You want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump.
America is doomed.
I have never noticed anyone in a maga hat.
The Dims can't seem to grasp that their behavior/actions are far more Nazi/fascist-like than the Republicans.
I think I'll wear a MAGA hat with my yarmulke, and dare some SJW to call me a racist
The left cannot come up with an argument besides - "you're a racist"
Trump has never had a racist thought, but they gig him as a racist for the thoughts that Mexican and Central Americans should not freely invade the USA and some are rapists. That's about it. Trump hates illiterate Aztec peasants that speak spanish and demand a free ride from the Gringos for votes for Democrats in exchange.
Chuck, we come here to argue and name call not to eat. See the difference?
@ Rusty
Racism is America's original sin. Obama is the savior who can wash that sin away. If you love Obama as you love yourself, you are absolved and move to a higher spiritual plane. The rest of us remain mired.
A MAGA hat shows that you're unenlightened, unclean and should not be allowed in the holy city.
"I think I'll wear a MAGA hat with my yarmulke, and dare some SJW to call me a racist"
They call Ben Shapiro a Nazi
The guy looks like a wimp. Too bad his nose was not splayed against his fat face.
MAGA has its Gettysburg. The tide is turning.
This could easily turn out differently in another type of restaurant. There's not a lot of barbecue in gentrified parts of DC. The clientele's probably largely people with roots in the sensible parts of the country that consume barbecue regularly.
exhelodrvr1 said...
"I think I'll wear a MAGA hat with my yarmulke, and dare some SJW to call me a racist"
They call Ben Shapiro a Nazi
They call the new nazis 'antifa', so I'm not surprised
Ok, here’s a dopey question: fezznailing move?
- Krumhorn
"Smears and Wedges" Chuck: "At Hill Country, it was accusing a MAGA hat-wearer of being a racist/Nazi. Here, it’s accusing me (a Republican critic of Trump) of being a leftist/racist/etc."
LLR Chuck has proudly and loudly admitted to being at Althouseblog for only 2 reasons:
1) To smear and lie about Trump and
2) To drive a wedge between Althouse and her readers
Chuck was asked to leave this blog by the moderators due to his transparent serial lying and bad faith posting, but refuses to.
According to Chuck, without his smearing and lying and "wedging" presence here, this site would become, in his own words, literally like East Germany!!!
LOLOL
Chuck then wonders aloud why he is not taken seriously.
You cant make this s*** up.
Chuck also wants us to believe that he is a "LLR" and not a leftist...though his every utterance and talking point and policy preferences and tactic employed is far left througj and through.
So, okay. Fine.
LLR-leftist it is!! (Since self-labeling is irrelevant and operational alignment with the far left is everything)
I remember one time I stood up to a guy who was sitting at a bar minding his own business. I was brave 'n' righteous! And the guy didn't even know it!
NleachBit-and-Hammers: "The left cannot come up with an argument besides - "you're a racist"
The left AND the LLR-left.
"Ok, here’s a dopey question: fezznailing move?"
Bing is no help. I looked up fezznailing, and the top reference was this blog post.
These lefties are INSANE. I love it. Keep talking, elect President Trump 2020, Dan Crenshaw 2024!!!
Andon: system to notify management, maintenance, and other workers of a quality or process problem. The alert can be activated manually by a worker
See red MAGA, alert that Nazi is present.
In the ideal system it becomes reflexive, like the bell and the salivating dog.
All the likes and support he gets will pump him up and all the critical comments he gets he will attribute to racist Nazis. End result. He's pumped up and feeling good about himself!
I like how surprised he was.
"What? No! Those rules aren't for me, they're for them!".
"I'M supposed to chase THEM out of restaurants!".
Wait until they start wearing milkshakes.
MAGA hat is to angry lib as Chuck is to Drago.
Welcome to The Resistance™
Is there a lefty version of the MAGA hat that is both universally recognized and immediately “insighting”?
Today’s unhinged and insane Left concludes that wearing a MAGA hat is ipso facto racism.
That’s how they roll.
Trump wins re-election.
Phil 314: "MAGA hat is to angry lib as Chuck is to Drago."
Of course. The situations are perfectly analogous.
I mean, there Chuck was, minding his own business, doing his standard "smearing and wedging" bad faith posting on a blog he had been asked to leave by the moderators, when out of the blue and for no reason someone who had no idea who Chuck even was confronted him!
Phil is on fire today!
Well played Phil.
David Begley: "Today’s unhinged and insane Left concludes that wearing a MAGA hat is ipso facto racism."
Today's unhinged and insane Left and LLR-left.
With pre-apologies to Phil of course.
"Ok, here’s a dopey question: fezznailing move?"
Vlad the Impaler had the fez’s of a couple of emissaries from the Ottoman Empire nailed to their heads and sent them back to the Ottomans as a message that they better not mess with Vlad and his Romanians. This was around the time Vlad was fighting with the Muslims of the Ottomans. Or so the legend of Vlad goes...
I would think that "fezznailing" is the forcible placement of a fez (a hat) atop the head of an unwilling subject.
THEOLDMAN
There is also some stuff about "fezz" being the act of being interrupted by some unwanted person, in a conversation.
We have still never received from LLR-leftist Chuck a fuller explanation of why he feels it is important and appropriate to "drive a wedge between Althouse and her readers" and for what purpose.
Spoiler: We already know.
Again, pre-apologies to Phil.
Phil 314 said...
Is there a lefty version of the MAGA hat that is both universally recognized and immediately “insighting”?
Yes, it's called a pussy hat, and it supports views completely opposite than a MAGA hat.
I recall a time when Malcom X was showing in the theaters and Malcom "X" hats were the thing. Just an X on the front. At a rural gas station I spied a hat with the Confederate Battle Flag on the front. Underneath the flag... "you got your X and I got mine". Better times!
fezznailing move
The story is that some Turks refused to remove their hats (fezzes)so Vlad took this as a sign of disrespect and had the hats nailed to their heads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSxAgPmy2Y
Head-nailing by the Piranha brothers
Regarding “feznailing,” there is a story about a Vlad Dracul told by an NBC special about his life and times:
The Ottoman Turks were never far from Vlad's thoughts — or his borders. When diplomatic envoys had an audience with Vlad in 1459, the diplomats declined to remove their hats, citing a religious custom. Commending them on their religious devotion, Vlad ensured that their hats would forever remain on their heads by having the hats nailed to the diplomats' skulls.
The hats would have been fezzes, the brimless hat you still see worn today in Turkey. The refusal to remove their hats in Vlad’s presence was an insult, and he thus informed future Ottoman envoys to watch their manners.
How old is this Helmstetter guy? I couldn't get at the article, but I gather not a teenager or a college student. Grown man well into a career, right?
Putting aside all else that's obviously wrong with this chucklehead's behavior, am I the only one noticing how wildly age-inappropriate it is? What's up with grown men comporting and expressing themselves like spoiled, bitchy high-schoolers? The stupider sort of spoiled, bitchy high-school girls, to be precise. Right down to flouncing off of public twitter in a snit when any pushback occurs.
One assumes this must be perfectly normal behavior for grown men, in the circles he travels in.
Disturbing.
Blogger Michael said...
Chuck, we come here to argue and name call not to eat. See the difference?
It will be interesting to see if Althouse will agree that her standing invitation to commenters is to come here “to argue and name call,” but I actually take your point for what it is worth. My point went more to the personal attacks based on viewpoint differences, and especially the personal attacks using false accusations.
Also, the basis for expulsion from the premises. Wouldn’t I be the MAGA hat-wearer, in the context of these comments pages? That is, someone who holds an opinion about Trump that is in stark and open contrast to the majority of the group at hand. The comparison would be if the restaurant owner tossed out the MAGA hat-wearer because he was expressing his viewpoint in a way that was too upsetting to the other diners. And that the main focus needed to be on the food and the restaurateur’s presentation, no matter what anybody’s political views were.
It bothers me too. For some weird reason, unknown to many of us, it has become accepted theology that Republicans and anyone who would wear a MAGA hat are racists. This from supporters of the party of slavery, the Confederacy, KKK, Jim Crow, that supplied most of the votes against the various Civil Rights Acts, from the end of the Civil War to the 1960s, that destroyed the Black family with their War on Poverty, etc, has the effrontery of calling racist the members and supporters of the party founded to oppose slavery, fought a Civil War that did so, passed the Civil Rights Amendments and laws. It is the usual leftist projection, justifying their own two century history of racism by falsely, and without evidence, claiming their opponents are worse. But, of course, they aren’t, and never have been.
"They [makers of the Constitution] recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings and of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure and satisfactions of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the Government [especially Democrats], THE RIGHT TO BE LET ALONE — the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
Brandeis, Olmstead (1928) (emphasis added)
Democrats, as part of the never-ending quest to control us all, will regulate us to death.
Has anyone ever attacked Dick for his choice of headgear? I can't recall an instance.
Dick does get attacked for his stated beliefs. Frequently.
But he is such a Dick that he can't understand the difference.
John Henry
P.S.: "Fezznailing" is a wonderful coinage.
I wasn't around then, but my Dad fought actual Nazis in North Africa. I'm pretty sure this guy would not know a Nazi from a bag of Milk Duds. Frankly- if it had been Helmstetter's generation asked to fight actual Nazis, we'd all be speaking German now.
I think you'll start seeing more and more push back on these clowns. They've been given a free pass for far too long.
Since I grew up near DC, I got interested in the question of where the restaurant was and who might be its clientele. It's very close to the Capitol in the streets just off the beginning of the Mall on the right side. That means it expects tourists. DC itself has lots of people who like barbecue and they could walk into that area for lunch. So I suppose this was a clash between two possible clienteles with a DNC worker trying to establish a MAGA-free zone.
But since the incident happened right after the Trump speech, I would bet that the DNC person was shaken by the size and effectiveness of the Trump event. When people wait for hours in DC heat and in the rain, a DC person knows you never be able to stop them and their cause. And Trump gave a good speech, standing in the rain and heat himself along with Melania. The DNC would not be able to turn a crowd that size out for any Dem candidate even if the event were indoors in air-conditioned comfort and offered free food. So naturally a DNC person would be fearful and angry and ready to let his little totalitarian self out to attempt a meanness on someone.
Bruce Hayden,
Also the party of "Red Raids" deportations for alleged political beliefs, loyalty oaths, HUAC, McCarren and Smith Acts and much, much, more.
John Henry
And the party that, in the 30s thought that Mussolini's Fascism was such a great idea they adopted it wholesale.
John Henry
Leave it to Chuck to make this episode all about him.
Poor Chuck.
Poor, poor Chuck.
It’s so sad to be Chuck.
So very, very sad.
Doesn’t it just break your heart.
Mine either.
"How old is this Helmstetter guy? I couldn't get at the article, but I gather not a teenager or a college student. Grown man well into a career, right?"
Age is just a number anymore. It is not an indicator for maturity or experience. Our whining soccer star Megan Rapinoe is 34.
"Fezznailing" is a term used by women who like to seduce Shriners.
This Helmstetter asshole is a DNC staffer or former staffer.
So, the restaurant immediately got threats for "serving nazis". MAGA twitter responded by having a 4 pm. happy hour at the restaurant. ANTIFA responded by organizing a 'protest' outside the restaurant at 4 pm. DC police responded by stationing 2 officers outside the restaurant. MAGA twitter responded with some 200 Trump supporters attending the happy hour. ANTIFA responded by not showing up.
The rage on the left will get worse as they recognize what a cluster of losers those Democrat candidates are.
Blogger Temujin said...
I wasn't around then, but my Dad fought actual Nazis in North Africa.
Hate to break it to you, but the German soldiers your Dad fought in North Afrika weren't likely actual Nazi's neither. The actual Nazi's were mostly chickenhawks.
I think that it is about the thing as the black clad violent leftist thugs who so remind everyone of the fascists of the 1930s calling themselves “Antifa” for anti fascists, except, again, they are accusing their enemies of being precisely of being what they themselves best exemplify.
I think that part of it is that for leftists, history begins anew every day. They pretend that the Democrats have been the party of racists for the last 200 years, and that the fascists weren’t violent leftist thugs beating up their political opponents.
A former Democratic National Committee staffer was kicked out of a Washington, D.C., restaurant Thursday night after accosting a fellow patron who was wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat.
TJ Helmstetter, whose LinkedIn page identifies him as a former associate communications director for the DNC and who is a self-identified "progressive communicator," tweeted that he was kicked out of Hill Country Barbecue Market after confronting the patron in the "MAGA hat" and accusing him of being a "Nazi."
Howard said...
Hate to break it to you, but the German soldiers your Dad fought in North Afrika weren't likely actual Nazi's neither. The actual Nazi's were mostly chickenhawks.
That there is some dumb shit, Howard.
Blogger Rusty said...
I'm not getting the MAGA = racism thing either. What about it is racist? Trump has never struck me as particularly racist.
You aren't meant to get it. The prevailing democrat view is that MAGA is a dog whistle that actually means a return to the pre-civil rights era where women and minorities knew their place.
The actual Nazi's were mostly chickenhawks.
I believe that, in Howard, we have truly discovered R. Crumb's original Whiteman!
Blogger AllenS said...
Howard said...
Hate to break it to you, but the German soldiers your Dad fought in North Afrika weren't likely actual Nazi's neither. The actual Nazi's were mostly chickenhawks.
That there is some dumb shit, Howard.
Please enlighten me on the great history of the political rigidity of the infantry. I'll concede they were brainwashed and were pawns of the Nazi's, but actual true believer Nazi's? I seriously doubt it.
Thanks Thomas, that's a cool link
The way the guy hedges when he's asked about his own conduct strongly suggests that he was being verbally abusive in ways well beyond what he put in his tweet.
The Post article doesn't mention that the Post just ran an opinion piece from the owner of the Red Hen (the restaurant that ejected Sarah Sanders) actively encouraging harassment of right-wing diners.
Fezznailing (if someone hasn't been first) a reference to the eponymous technique; a similar practice, but involving driving nails in from the top down, has been reported in more recent times in once-Ottoman areas of Europe.
Narr
History ain't pretty
Helmstetter was put in his place not by the restaurant owner, but by his class.
He's not a failed NFL quarterback, he's not the creator of a cultural-appropriating Hollywood musical, he's not a male-feminist female-abusing Hollywood producer.
Helmstetter thought he could get away with publicly shaming a Trump supporter because his politics were as pure as the elites doing the exact same thing.
Except he wasn't a member of the elite class, and he wasn't attacking a member of the elite class.
He needs to know his place and stay in his lane. He needs a hoodie, a bicycle lock and a Quikcrete milkshake.
Bruce H said
It bothers me too. For some weird reason, unknown to many of us, it has become accepted theology that Republicans and anyone who would wear a MAGA hat are racists. This from supporters of the party of slavery, the Confederacy, KKK, Jim Crow, that supplied most of the votes against the various Civil Rights Acts, from the end of the Civil War to the 1960s, that destroyed the Black family with their War on Poverty, etc, has the effrontery of calling racist the members and supporters of the party founded to oppose slavery, fought a Civil War that did so, passed the Civil Rights Amendments and laws. It is the usual leftist projection, justifying their own two century history of racism by falsely, and without evidence, claiming their opponents are worse. But, of course, they aren’t, and never have been.
worth a big hearty bold repeat.
The left cannot tolerate Trump's win, so everyone is a racist. These same creeps ignore the history of the democratic party.
... said ..."At Hill Country, it was accusing a MAGA hat-wearer of being a racist/Nazi. Here, it’s accusing me (a Republican critic of Trump) of being a leftist/racist/etc."
Please don't try to 'hang your hat' on that analogy. Every time you open you mouth (via your keyboard) we can observe that it isn't so.
My favorite part of the collective left is the part where they proclaim how tolerant they are.
The thing that sticks in my brain about this event is that Helmstetter's profession is "public relations"(!). Great job, pal.
There is a free speech rally in D.C. today at Pershing Park. Long been planned and permitted.
ANTIFA are now filing in to "protest".
What a time to be alive.
Wouldn’t I be the MAGA hat-wearer, in the context of these comments pages?
No, you would have been the patron given a no trespass order long ago.
If you were in the restaurant the cops would show up to arrest you.
The adults are having a conversation. If we ignore Chuck, maybe he'll go back to the basement and his video games.
What do you suppose would happen in the real Nazi Germany if someone had gone up to an actual Brownshirt (Sturmabteilung, aka "SA") in a restaurant and started shouting in his face?
What do you suppose would happen in the real Nazi Germany if a Jew in a concentration camp had withdrawn their request for "asylum" and requested to be sent back home?
When did Betsy Ross's flag become a symbol of white supremacy? What American symbol won't be eventually be labeled a symbol of white supremacy by the left?
Will churches be hounded into removing their Christian crosses because the KKK (the Democrat party's Brownshirts) misappropriated the Christan cross for it's reign of terrorism against blacks and republicans? And when churches refuse, will angry leftists just storm the churches, tear down and drag out all of the crosses, and set them on fire?
Just how fucking crazy are leftists going to get?
Chuck’s faction had control over the party for decades. They didn’t conserve a fucking thing but they got to go on many cruises and learned many ways to tie a bow tie. They’ve lost this control. They’re not victims. THEY SUCKED AT THEIR JOBS. Now it’s all over but the constant whining. CONSTANT FUCKING WHINING.
'What American symbol won't be eventually be labeled a symbol of white supremacy by the left?'
Unfortunately, all of them - that's their plan.
"Just how fucking crazy are leftists going to get?"
"I don't regret setting bombs" William Ayers
"Guilty as sin, free as a bird" William Ayers
here in Lower Fezznailia, we say "Love Trumps Hat"
To be charitable, the original incident might have been alcohol-fueled, but his tweets were far worse. The crazy/best part is that it will probably help his career.
If you want to make them lose it, question leftists’ motivations like they question right wing people.
Variations of the standard joke like lefties love homeless - they keep making more of them etc.
any questioning of their self assured moral high ground causes an amazing backlash that never happens when calling every republican around a nazi. Note that and then quietly mutter projection if you want to trigger the nuclear reaction. I say this as a 20+ year resident of the Bay Area. Heh.
actual true believer Nazi's? I seriously doubt it.
For a guy who thinks he's smart, you sure do post some dumb shit.
Hans Peiper and the Waffen SS.
Malmedy Massacre.
Sepp Dietrich
On that day he was sentenced to life imprisonment in the Malmedy massacre trial for his involvement in ordering the execution of U.S. prisoners of war.[2] Due to testimony in his defence by other German officers, his sentence was shortened to 25 years.
Read some history, Howard.
No I'm never gonna do it without the fez on
Oh no
No I'm never gonna do it without the fez on
Oh no
That's what I am
Please understand
I want to be your holy man
Vlad was a Steely Dan fan.
The prevailing democrat view is that MAGA is a dog whistle that actually means a return to the pre-civil rights era where women and minorities knew their place.
The Left like to make shit up so that they seem like valiant warriors against oppression. They are the ones who actually want to control people.
Remember Howard,
If you hear a dog whistle, you must be the dog.
Me. I don't believe men should wear hats or caps indoors. Helmstetter should have stuck to that.
Bleach: "The left cannot tolerate Trump's win, so everyone is a racist."
The left AND the LLR-left.
Blogger Francisco D said...
If you hear a dog whistle, you must be the dog.
Who taught you that catchphrase, Francisco?
Swing and a miss, Doc. Hate to have to burst your bubble again, Mike, but you seem to like it. Temujin was talking about his old man going up against Afrika Corpse. You know, led by a guy who wanted Hitler dead, not some SS psycho:
His leadership of German and Italian forces in the North African campaign established his reputation as one of the most able tank commanders of the war, and earned him the nickname der Wüstenfuchs, "the Desert Fox". Among his British adversaries he earned a strong reputation for chivalry, and the North African campaign has often been called a "war without hate".[2] He later commanded the German forces opposing the Allied cross-channel invasion of Normandy in June 1944.
In 1944, Rommel was implicated in the 20 July plot to assassinate Hitler. Due to Rommel's status as a national hero, Hitler desired to eliminate him quietly instead of immediately executing him, as many other plotters were. Rommel was given a choice between committing suicide, in return for assurances that his reputation would remain intact and that his family would not be persecuted following his death, or facing a trial that would result in his disgrace and execution; he chose the former and committed suicide using a cyanide pill.[8]
What is Smear Merchant Chuck, racist drunk fopdoodle, complaining about now?
Ok, here’s a dopey question: fezznailing move?
fezznailing is painting designs on fingernails:
https://www.webstagram.one/tag/fezznails
> What do you suppose would happen in the real Nazi Germany if someone had gone up to an actual Brownshirt (Sturmabteilung, aka "SA") in a restaurant and started shouting in his face?
Well, I knew someone whose mother was called back to Germany from school in Switzerland at the start of the war and sent to work for an SS officer as a servant. Come dinnertime, she set a place for herself at the table. She was told that was not her place, she replied that the Nazis proclaimed their dedication to class equality and so she should sit with the rest. She spent the rest of the war in a concentration camp.
What is Smear Merchant Chuck, racist drunk fopdoodle, complaining about now?
Not enough deference to the cucky swamp creatures and ex-Republicans he's always fellating.
Rommel was in fact a protege of Hitler, who promoted his career against the military establishment. It is usually forgotten that Hitler put him in charge of military training of the Hitler youth, and later made him commander of his escort battalion.
Hitler was quite skeptical of military convention. Hitlers favor was why Rommel, so often controversial and ascerbic towards his superiors, had command of the 7th Panzer Division in May 1940.
It was also Hitlers influence btw that promoted Mansteins operational plan, and that freed Kleist and Hoth from the normal chain of command, an extraordinary feature of this battle.
Rommels performance in France led Hitler to give him an extraordibary independent command in Africa, and moreover excused him, or protected him, for constantly ignoring and bypassing the chain of command.
It was Rommels experience in Africa, where he could see early on the vast power the Allies could bring to bear, that caused his disaffection and loss of confidence in Hitler.
If you hear a dog whistle, you must be the dog.
Who taught you that catchphrase, Francisco?
Howard,
It seems like simple logic, doesn't it? Sorry that eludes you.
You seem less crabby today. Have you taken my advice to increase the fiber in your diet?
Oh boy, Rommel and the DAK!
Narr
I'll be back!
Bright red colors are know to trigger bulls, communists, socialists, and fascists.
If a barbecue joint doesn't have at least one guy in a MAGA hat, you're in the wrong barbecue joint.
As for Helmstetter, the fact that he was a former DNC communications staffer says a lot for the DNC. Communications doesn't seem to be this clown's forte, and they figured that out for themselves.
Howard,
Was Goering a Chicken hawk? Hitler?
Both fought bravely at great personal risk in ww1. Ditto many of the other top National Socialists.
Yeah, this probably makes me a NAZI for pointing it out. So be it.
MAGA, baby!
John Henry
Nancy sez,
Jobs, jobs, jobs
Let's vote for jobs!
45>20
John Henry
Chuck, you basically started it all by calling the Trump supporters in this forum morons during the primaries. At least have the decency to accept the retribution with good humor. As much as you despise the man, you and Trump do seem to have one thing in common- you both have very thin skin, but the two of you respond to insults very differently.
Helmstetter is a fool. It speaks volumes that he still thinks he was in the right the entire time. How is it possible to be this clueless?
He deserved every negative comment he got. How could he not know that a BBQ place is where we deplorables all go?
So Chuck, you say you heard tell of someone who spent 6 years in a Nazi concentration camp. What about that doesn't sound right?
Someone asked earlier what is the leftist counterpart to a MAGA hat
How about a Che t-shirt? A Mao jacket? A Red Star beret?
One of these days they're going to pull this crap on the wrong person.
I wonder if the comments he got are an indication attitudes are changing, slowly, but changing? I read many of the Walkaway comments on Facebook and most say the hate and violence is what started them on their walking away from the Democratic party.
He obviously thought he would get many more who liked his actions or he would not have put it on Twitter.
Wouldn’t I be the MAGA hat-wearer ...?
No. You're the illegal immigrant. Invading an area you're not wanted, complaining about the conditions provided and then refusing to leave even though nothing's stopping you from doing so.
He garnered the likes, meaning he “earned” them. “Get” does not convey the earning part. “Garner” is a useful word for that reason!
Blogger Wilbur said...
So Chuck, you say you heard tell of someone who spent 6 years in a Nazi concentration camp. What about that doesn't sound right?
Yeah, doesn’t sound right to me, either.
That would be because I didn’t write that, ass face.
Chuck: My point went more to the personal attacks based on viewpoint differences, and especially the personal attacks using false accusations.
Quit trying to hijack what happened to the guy in the MAGA hat.
You are hated and treated with contempt because you are here dishonestly pretending to be a Republican so you can make cowardly attacks at Trump "from the right". You are a Moby, a concern troll that Meade has told is no longer welcome here.
And you have no interest in "viewpoint" differences:
Chuck once said: "I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him."
Fuck off.
Just how fucking crazy are leftists going to get?
Until the right stops being pussies about it. The perp should be in intensive care.
How could he not know that a BBQ place is where we deplorables all go?
That's because BBQ joints are a good place to avoid black people, right?
"We don't tolerate racism in this city. All other forms of collectivism, sure, but not racism!"
but the German soldiers your Dad fought in North Afrika
Well, unlike you, Howie, they actually fought.
Chuck, you wrote she returned to Germany when the war began, got sent to the camp, and was there until the end of the war. That's six years. Even an ass face like me can do the math. Now if you want to change your friend's story, go ahead.
After the inauguration, I saw a clearly out-of-town family at my favorite pizzeria in Silver Spring, MD (a close in MD suburb of DC, for those not familiar with the DC area) where the dad was wearing a MAGA hat. I thought it was rather brave of the dad considering the environment, but I watched carefully to make sure nothing untoward went down.
As they finished their meal, I went over to talk them up & told them to try the gelato, as it's a hidden gem of the establishment, very reasonably priced and as good as any in NYC's Little Italy, as it's made from imported Italian ingredients. Needless to say, the kids were all for that idea.
So, they got their gelatos, ate them up, and as they walked out, Dad came up & thanked me for the recommendation. I wished him well, and a good journey home (Oklahoma, I believe), and told him not everyone here voted for Hillary.
It was Rommels experience in Africa, where he could see early on the vast power the Allies could bring to bear, that caused his disaffection and loss of confidence in Hitler
Yes, the same was true of quite a few, like Canaris. They paid dearly for their hesitation.
The only one that escaped was Gehlen and he got his whole organization out with the help of the Pope and Truman.
Blogger Wilbur said...
Chuck, you wrote she returned to Germany when the war began, got sent to the camp, and was there until the end of the war. That's six years. Even an ass face like me can do the math. Now if you want to change your friend's story, go ahead.
I wrote no such thing. Now apologize, you bitch.
Hate to have to burst your bubble again, Mike, but you seem to like it.
I enjoy it when assholes accidentally get their own bubble with the pin,. Read some History, Howard.
Would you like a reading list ?
Gehlen largely through Dulles and Bedell Smith, he had some real predators in hi crew, like Karl Wolff who had been from Poland to Russia, and ultimately Italy,
At least he didn't spit in the man's food. Although, the Red Hen lady thinks that's OK. The interesting thing has gone mostly uncommented on..2,000 people LIKED his behavior. 2,000 people think its A-OK to confront a "Nazi" in a MAGA hat.
So, how do you like it now Gentlemen?
Step 1 Get everyone to think Racism is the worst thing ever and "racists" should be shunned, fired, and attacked.
Step 2. Expand the definition of "Racism" till anyone to the right of Hillary is a racist.
Step 3. Victory for the Left.
Blogger John henry said...
Howard,
Was Goering a Chicken hawk? Hitler?
Both fought bravely at great personal risk in ww1. Ditto many of the other top National Socialists.
Yeah, this probably makes me a NAZI for pointing it out. So be it.
If the phoe shits, wear it
LLR-leftist Chuck: "I wrote no such thing. Now apologize, you bitch."
We are still waiting for you to apologize for completely fabricating your mythical Trump Federal Busing Plan lie which you desperately launched as cover for your gal Harris' demented debate performance.
When can we expect that apology from you b****?
> Even an ass face like me can do the math.
What's your point? Not all the camps were extermination camps, and she was of good German stock.
TJ gets around.
TJ Helmstetter, a DNC LGBT media outreach official.
TJ Helmstetter, DPW spokesperson for 2018 [Wisconsin] gov race.
TJ Helmstetter, communications director of Garden State Equality.
TJ Helmstetter, spokesperson for the Working Families Party.
TJ Helmstetter, spokesman for the Democratic National Committee.
TJ Helmstetter, [Matt] Alexander's campaign manager.
Come on, Man. TJ is a fat, ugly, unhappy gay man without a boyfriend or (currently) a paying job - unless the flower arranging gig works out. Cut the boy a little slack.
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On Twitter, Helmstetter said that Hill Country “chose to protect the Nazi’s right but not mine” to dine at the restaurant...
What is this new "right to dine at a restaurant" that Helmstetter speaks of? Did it come into being only after Mitch McConnell was harassed at a Kentucky restaurant? After Maxine Waters called for harassment of Republicans anytime they were seen at a mall or restaurant? After Department of Homeland Security Secretary Neilson was screamed at by a group of protesters at a Mexican restaurant in D.C. (with no intervention by the owner or manager) until she was forced to leave? After Sarah Sanders was kicked out of the Red Hen solely for the hate-think crime of working for the Trump administration? After U. Mississippi assistant sociology professor James Thomas called for restaurant employees to not just interrupt repunlican senators while they eat, but to "Put your whole damn fingers in their salads, take their apps and distribute them to the other diners. Bring boxes and take their food home with you on the way out. They don’t deserve your civility.” After Eric Trump was spit on by a waitress at a Chicago bar? Here's a hint - if it doesn't apply to literally everybody, it isn't a right.
Step 1
It's more simple than that. The Left has patterned this behavior throughout history:
1619: "We want to enslave these people, but that's wrong, so we'll label them Subhuman Apes to make it acceptable"
1643: "We want to steal from these people, but that' wrong, so we'll label them Subhuman Savages to make it acceptable"
1933: "We want to exterminate these people, but that's wrong, so we'll label them Subhuman Parasites to make it acceptable"
1973: "We want to murder these people, but that's wrong, so we'll label them Subhuman Fetuses to make it acceptable"
2015: "We want to silence these people, but that's wrong, so we'll label them Subhuman Deplorables to make it acceptable"
On the bright side, the fact that the Left needs to redefine their enemies as Subhuman X to justify doing evil things to them says they still have some kind of conscience. The demonization is done to make them feel better about themselves after crack your skull open with a bicycle lock and throw acid milkshakes in your face.
You aren't really a human being, so it doesn't count as an atrocity.
It's okay though - thousands of conservatives are currently writing furious blog posts documenting and lamenting the fall of the Republic, for future generations to burn as ThoughtCrimes. All good.
We're going to go out with a whimper, our powder still dry. My fav stolen joke:
Two conservatives are being led into the Death Camps, one says to the other "don't make a fuss, we might get in trouble"
Gehlen was only competent at conning his bosses. He did it consistently, and is considered one of the worst intell chiefs of the 20th century by some.
Rommel and AH bonded as class and regional outsiders, and clearly used each other as much as possible. It's well-known that Hitler's wwi IC1 has been questioned, but my reading suggests it's legit; Goering's victory claims have been pretty well critiqued (acc. a friend who has studied it) and he actually shot down maybe 10-12 for sure. Rommel too IIRC had to get his highest wwi award on appeal.
It has always seemed ironic to me that AH and the General Staff would have entrusted an important subsidiary theater to such a thruster unless they wanted thrusting--which of course many say was the wrong strategy to begin with.
R was really good at a lot of things, but he was also lucky in that he was able to fight "clean" wars against Westerners.
Narr
He will always have the Nazi stank too
"Hate to break it to you, but the German soldiers your Dad fought in North Afrika weren't likely actual Nazi's neither."
Hate to break it to you Howard, but you are one major league sniveling little putz.
These people are claiming that anyone who supports or voted for trump is a nazi. Pretty scary reality they are imagining for themselves.
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chuck; Do you see what was going on? Your post was being attacked insofar as you were presumed to be me (“Chuck” capitalized).
Someone needs to break the news to Wilbur. I am not “chuck” (lower case).
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