April 29, 2018

Kim Jong-Un says he's "not the kind of person who would shoot nuclear weapons to the south, over the Pacific or at the United States."

If we could just get to know him, we'd see he's a good guy:
“I know the Americans are inherently disposed against us, but when they talk with us, they will see that I am not the kind of person who would shoot nuclear weapons to the south, over the Pacific or at the United States,” Mr. Kim told Mr. Moon...
And all he wants, he said, is for us to promise not to invade, and he'll give up his nuclear weapons.
”If we meet often and build trust with the United States and if an end to the war and nonaggression are promised, why would we live in difficulty with nuclear weapons?” Mr. Kim was quoted as saying by South Korean officials....

“I am determined not to repeat the painful history of the Korean War. As the same nation living on the same land, we should never shed blood again,” he told Mr. Moon, according to Mr. Yoon. “I will give you my word that there will never be a use of force.”
Hmm. I hope it works out well. What's this "same nation" concept?
“When I was sitting in the waiting room, I saw two clocks on the wall, one of the Seoul time and the other of the Pyongyang time, and I felt bad about it,” Mr. Kim was quoted as telling Mr. Moon. “Why don’t we reunify our clocks first?”
It sounds like reunification. Here's the Wikipedia article on Korean reunification:
Korean reunification (Korean: 한국의 재통일) refers to the potential future reunification of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (commonly known as North Korea), the Republic of Korea (commonly known as South Korea), and the Korean Demilitarized Zone under a single government. The process towards such a merger was started by the June 15th North–South Joint Declaration in June 2000, where the two countries agreed to work towards a peaceful reunification in the future....
  1. The North and the South agreed to solve the question of the country's reunification independently by the concerted efforts of the Korean nation responsible for it.
  2. The North and the South, recognizing that the low-level federation proposed by the North and the commonwealth system proposed by the South for the reunification of the country have similarity, agreed to work together for the reunification in this direction in the future.
  3. The North and the South agreed to settle humanitarian issues as early as possible, including the exchange of visiting groups of separated families and relatives and the issue of unconverted long-term prisoners, to mark August 15 this year.
  4. The North and the South agreed to promote the balanced development of the national economy through economic cooperation and build mutual confidence by activating cooperation and exchange in all fields, social, cultural, sports, public health, environmental and so on.
  5. The North and the South agreed to hold an authority-to-authority negotiation as soon as possible to put the above-mentioned agreed points into speedy operation....
Eventual political integration of the Koreas under a democratic government from the South is generally viewed as inevitable by the U.S. and South Korea....

Reunification remains a long-term goal for the governments of both North and South Korea. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un made calls in his 2012 New Year's Day speech to "remove confrontation" between the two countries and implement previous joint agreements for increased economic and political cooperation. The South Korean Ministry of Unification redoubled their efforts in 2011 and 2012 to raise awareness of the issue, launching a variety show (Miracle Audition) and an Internet sitcom with pro-unification themes. The Ministry already promotes curriculum in elementary schooling, such as a government-issued textbook about North Korea titled "We Are One" and reunification-themed arts and crafts projects.

In Kim Jong-Un's 2018 New Year's address, a Korean-led reunification was repeatedly mentioned and an unexpected proposal was made for the North's participation in the 2018 Winter Olympics to be held in Pyeongchang County of South Korea, a significant shift after several years of increasing hostilities....

Support for reunification in South Korea has been falling, especially among the younger generations. In the 1990s, the percent of people in government polls who regarded reunification as essential was over 80%. By 2011 that number had dropped to 56%.

According to a December 2017 survey released by the Korea Institute for National Unification, 72.1% of South Koreans in their 20s believe reunification is unnecessary, with younger South Koreans saying they are more worried about issues related to economy, employment, and living costs.

Polls show a majority of South Koreans, even those in age groups traditionally seen as being more eager to reunify the peninsula, are not willing to see their living condition suffer in order to accommodate the North. Moreover, about 50% of men in their 20s see North Korea as an outright enemy that they want nothing to do with....

The cultures of the two halves have separated following partition, even though traditional Korean culture and history are shared. In addition, many families were split by the division of Korea. In the practically comparable situation of the German reunification, the 41-year-long separation has left significant impacts on German culture and society, even after two decades. Given the extreme differences of North and South Korean culture and lifestyle, the effects might last even longer. Many experts have suggested that the differences between "Westerners" and "Easterners" ("die Mauer im Kopf", or "the wall in the head") will gradually dissipate as younger generations arise, born after reunification and seeing increasing migration between eastern and western Germany....

The North Korean population is far more culturally distinct and isolated than the East German population was in the late 1980s. Unlike in East Germany, North Koreans generally cannot receive foreign broadcasting or read foreign publications. Germany was divided for 44 years and did not have border clashes between the two sides. By comparison, the Koreas have been divided for over 60 years, and hostilities have flared frequently over the years and hostilities have been becoming more frequent since the ascension of Kim Jong-un as the supreme leader of North Korea. The Korean ethnic nationalist belief that unification is a "sacred, universally-desired" goal to recover an ethnic homogeneity (tongjilsŏng) obscures North-South differences developed since 1945, and risks intolerance for the cultural accommodation necessary for a unified Korean polity.

76 comments:

Jason said...

He's so ronery.

Rob said...

North Korea moves its clocks forward thirty minutes. A small step for Un, a giant leap for mankind.

gspencer said...

Getting to know you
Getting to know all about you
Getting to like you
Getting to hope you like me
Getting to know you
Putting it my way
But nicely
You are precisely
My cup of tea
Getting to know you
Getting to know all about you
Getting to like you
Getting to hope you like me
Getting to know you
Putting it my way
But nicely
You are precisely
My cup of tea
Getting to know you
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you
Getting to know what to say
Haven't you noticed
Suddenly I'm bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new
Things I'm learning about you
Day by day

You can trust me; I'm not like all those other dictators who do terrible things to their people and who threaten neighbors. Really, you can trust me.

rhhardin said...

Pay more attention to what the NKs who are being paid off will do. If the payoffs stop, that's not good for them.

Kim isn't all powerful by himself.

Tommy Duncan said...

How do you get past the issue of who will lead a unified Korea?

A reasonable goal might be the opening and modernization of NK. Just allowing SK commercial access to NK would improve relations (and make NK reliant on SK).

J. Farmer said...

It is a bland truism that North Korea would not fire nuclear weapons at adversaries. North Korea would gain nothing of strategic value for it and would be annihilated in response. India and Pakistan did not develop nuclear weapons so they could start firing them at each other. They obtained them as deterrence to major wars. That said, it seems suspicious that the North Koreans would be willing to give up their weapons in exchange for a mere promise not to invade. Such a promise would not be worth the paper it's written on.

And the North and South has always been one nation, Korea, under two states. But the issue of reunification has clear generational divides in South Korea. There are quite a bit of younger people who are not very enthusiastic about the topic of reunification.

truth speaker said...

He says he ‘isnt’ the type of person to shoot missles at other nations, including us/the US but that is *exactly* what’s he’s been saying he’ll the past few years.

The guy is evil incarnate and is not to be trusted or believed.

After all, he had an uncle killed by firing an anti-aircraft shell into him.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

We hope for a better end than the Muammar Gaddafi story. I blame the Democrats.

The Drill SGT said...

The NORKS have talked this sort of talk several times before. At least twice in Daddy's reign...

traditionalguy said...

Kim is not the sort of guy who wants to die the second after Trump uses his "button that works."

The latest theories going around are that the North Korean Military with CIA assistance actually ran North Korea using Kim as a figure head. But that control was "removed" by Trump in December while Kim was kept safely in China. And while he was in China, Kim and Trump made the Peace Agreement that we are now seeing rolled out.

sykes.1 said...

Moon is from the anti-American faction in South Korean politics, and he values a potential relationship with the North more than the existing one with the US. Considering the common language, culture, race and history, these negotiations are likely to take on a life of their own, and both Kim and Moon will find themselves riding a tiger, so to speak. Moreover, the negotiations may produce results that are uncomfortable to all the surrounding countries and the US. A reconciled Korea, even if not reunified, with the South's economy and population and the North's nukes and missiles would be a major regional power. It would likely pursue an independent foreign policy.

And do South Koreans really want the North to give up its missiles and nukes? Really? Many Southerners take pride in what the North has achieved. And the South's military would really, really like to have the North's strategic arsenal. They had their own nuke program until the US cracked down on them.

And then there is Japan. Considering the brutality of the long Japanese rule over the Peninsula, how can any South Korean government be in an alliance that includes Japan?

Finally, there is the American domination of the South's government. There must be a great deal of resentment there.

AllenS said...

sykes.1 said...
Moon is from the anti-American faction in South Korean politics, and he values a potential relationship with the North more than the existing one with the US.
...

Finally, there is the American domination of the South's government. There must be a great deal of resentment there.

Hagar said...

A first step to re-unification would be an open border between the two Koreas.
If Kim agrees to that, his regime is a dead man walking.

dreams said...

And not to forget the fortuitous earthquake that killed 200 N Korean scientists or was it "Rods from God"?

"President Donald Trump will unleash hell on North Korea with a weapon nicknamed “Rods from God” that's the equal to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs!"

Lyle Smith said...

Sykes,

With an authoritarian Chinese dictatorship near it... the Republic of Korea will remain allies with Japan. I will say, things will get interesting once the Korean War generation is gone... those folks remember fighting China and America fighting for a non-authoritarian Korea.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

The latest theories going around are that the North Korean Military with CIA assistance actually ran North Korea using Kim as a figure head. But that control was "removed" by Trump in December while Kim was kept safely in China. And while he was in China, Kim and Trump made the Peace Agreement that we are now seeing rolled out.

Something extraordinary must be going on behind the scenes that the general public is not privy too. There has to be something going on influencing the North Korean regime. A theory I heard is that the mountain in NK that held the development/test site wasn't destroyed because excessive nuke testing caused it to collapse, it was destroyed by the US using either a bunker busting bomb or a "rod from god." If that is the case, then the Chinese must have agreed to it, since NK is technically an allay of China. So the question then arises, what leverage is the US using on China to get it to cooperate in all this?

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I guess if I was a state department employee and some guy showed up who I thought was a moron and gauche to boot, and he started resolving issues that were assumed to be intractable using methods I abhorred, my morale would be pretty low too.

As I recall, the state department establishment didn't think much of Reagan either.

Sebastian said...

German reunification cost >1 trillion euros. South Koreans better start saving up.

MadTownGuy said...

What's with the "North Dakota" tag? I mean, unless, as I heard some years ago - that if ND were to secede from the US that it would be the world's second largest nuclear power.

bagoh20 said...

The biggest risk to this hopeful peace is the American Democrats. If they take power they will blow it, becuase 1) they don't accept or understand how this was achieved, and 2) they don't want it to happen becuase Trump and everything he touched must be resisted.

dreams said...

And this.

"Trump doesn't need a Nobel but the Nobel needs Trump
President Donald Trump's efforts to conclude the Korean war after 68 years have people clamoring for a Nobel Peace Prize for The Donald. Certainly he earned the award.

But bear in mind, the Nobel needs Trump more than he needs a Nobel."

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/04/trump-doesnt-need-nobel-but-nobel-needs.html#more

AllenS said...

Any reunification efforts will have to take baby steps for a while. Just opening the border would result in millions of NKs going south just to get something to eat. Then what would happen in SK when winter comes?

Michael K said...

Pay more attention to what the NKs who are being paid off will do. If the payoffs stop, that's not good for them

I have read before that NK is a warlord society with the Kims as figureheads, as much as rulers.

The warlords, if they exist, will have to be paid off.

Also, the cost to Germany of the reunification was horrendous. I invested in German ADRs at the time because I thought the East could function as a low cost industrial plant for a while as the infrastructure was upgraded. The unions would not hear of it. They insisted that there be no differential in pay and that held back Germany for years. The ADRs were not a good investment.

Korea will be worse.

Sebastian said...

Hagar in the other thread: "China agreeing to airlifting the Kim family and its top enforcers to sanctuary in China."

Trump should subtly allude to this, and we all know he can do subtle.

NK's #MeToo won't be pretty.

What was that slogan again the left used to use--no justice, no peace?

mockturtle said...

Wisest course for us to take is the stay out of the process other than in trade considerations. But I do think Trump was instrumental in starting the process.

steve uhr said...

Kim is 35. He wants and will prob get assurances that his regime will never be attacked or undermined. That means prob 40 or more years at a minimum of terror for DPRK citizens/slaves. If trump is such a great deal maker why can't their God-given rights be part of the equation?

AllenS said...

Ah, steve, do you think that maybe we should wait a while to see how everything works out, or are you just going to say that Trump is a failure because he didn't create Korea Heaven in a week? What The Fuck?

dreams said...

Also...

""GOYANG, South Korea (AP) -- With a single step over a weathered, cracked slab of concrete, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un made history Friday by crossing over the world's most heavily armed border to greet South Korean President Moon Jae-in for talks on North Korea's nuclear weapons. Kim then invited Moon to cross briefly back into the north with him before they returned to the southern side," Krug wrote.

Note, the Associated Press made Kim the hero.

And Trump isn't mentioned until the 11th paragraph. It's as if the man who arranged this meeting were a bit player. The United States getting tough on North Korean sanctions (and quite possibly disabling Kim's nuke program) did not exist.

No, Moon and Kim just spontaneously agreed to stroll down the lane hand-in-hand and end a war that is now in its 68th year."

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/04/photo-made-possible-by-electing-donald.html

William said...

I don't believe in rosy scenarios, but a rosy scenario is possible. So far as North Korea goes that's a first. Previously one would envision how much worse the bad scenario would get........However the situation is resolved, if it doesn't get resolved with a nuclear war or mass starvation, then I will put it in the win column, and I will give Trump credit for that win.

J. Farmer said...

@traditionalguy:

The latest theories going around are that the North Korean Military with CIA assistance actually ran North Korea using Kim as a figure head. But that control was "removed" by Trump in December while Kim was kept safely in China. And while he was in China, Kim and Trump made the Peace Agreement that we are now seeing rolled out.

@Ron Winkleheimer:.

A theory I heard is that the mountain in NK that held the development/test site wasn't destroyed because excessive nuke testing caused it to collapse, it was destroyed by the US using either a bunker busting bomb or a "rod from god."

Just out of curiosity. What are the sources for these theories?

I guess if I was a state department employee and some guy showed up who I thought was a moron and gauche to boot, and he started resolving issues that were assumed to be intractable using methods I abhorred, my morale would be pretty low too.

What issues have been resolved?

Stephen said...

Kim came slowly to his enlightenment during the Obama years, so really this is all Obama’s doing. In fact, CIA has a copy of Kim’s diary that proves it.

Equipment Maintenance said...

It sounds to me like Kim wants to sell his interest, and retire somewhere warm.

Ann Althouse said...

"What's with the "North Dakota" tag? I mean, unless, as I heard some years ago - that if ND were to secede from the US that it would be the world's second largest nuclear power."

LOL.

Fixed.

Michael K said...

steve, do you think that maybe we should wait a while to see how everything works out,

No, Steve is a Democrat and they are into instant gratification.

F said...

Regarding the use of a "rod from god," I have long thought we should make a demonstration of this technology, to scare places like North Korea, Iran, China and Russia. And it would be nice to think the resolution of the north/south problem in Korea was brought about by a "rod from god."

I do not believe this technology could be used without a lot of governments knowing about it, And if they do know about it, how has the use not leaked to the press and to the world? More importantly, would Russia and China not have reacted with nuclear weapons if they saw a "rod from god" de-orbiting? I mean, in the first few minutes, I don't think it would be possible to know what the target was, and that would make it an existential threat to Moscow or Peking. Unless, of course, the US government reassured the Russians and Chinese that "the inferno coming to earth shortly is not aimed at you."

All very interesting speculation. As I say, I have long wished we could use a "rod from god" as a demonstration of our ability. A tungsten telephone pole re-entering the atmosphere and capable of being targeted precisely would be a heckuva show.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

The collective left will buy "he's a good guy". They always do.

rcocean said...

Kim's probably gotten bored with being Dictator and is looking forward to a Billion dollar payoff and a nice mansion in Switzerland.

Roy Lofquist said...

Kim and the warlords have been made an offer they can't refuse.

Trump to China: We could make beautiful music together except for Little Rocket Man being a pain in the ass. And oh, by the way, let's have some hefty tariffs on steel and aluminum while we get this problem worked out.

Trump to Syria, Iran, North Korea, Russia and China: You defenses are useless. Even with an announcement that an attack was coming you couldn't stop even one of our missiles.

Mattis to Russia: Are those your guys?

So, Kim gets a Nobel prize. It's the booby prize.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The collective left will buy "he's a good guy". They always do.”

Kim Jong Un..”has been very open and I think very honorable from everything we’re seeing.”

Donald Trump


n.n said...

The Korean "Gorbachev". It requires only one generation.

JaimeRoberto said...

"What's this "same nation" concept?"

Americans define nation and country as the same thing. In lots of other countries nation is more closely defined as ethnicity. In that conception, North and South Koreans are part of the same nation, the Korean nation.

When Putin made the comment that the St. Petersburg trolls weren't really Russians, this is likely what he had in mind.

Gahrie said...

What JaimeRoberto said.

Nations are groups of people, not countries. States are countries. Nation-states are countries dominated by one nationality.

We get this wrong in the U.S. because our states were independent countries that lost their sovereignty after the civil war. We should change "state" to "departments" or "provinces".

Gahrie said...

What issues have been resolved?

The inability or unwillingness of the two Koreas to talk peace in good faith apparently.

Gahrie said...

That means prob 40 or more years at a minimum of terror for DPRK citizens/slaves. If trump is such a great deal maker why can't their God-given rights be part of the equation?

I thought you guys were opposed to interfering in other countries and nation-state building?

Gahrie said...

A theory I heard is that the mountain in NK that held the development/test site wasn't destroyed because excessive nuke testing caused it to collapse, it was destroyed by the US using either a bunker busting bomb or a "rod from god."

I've heard it was an attack by U.S. Special Forces. It would be interesting if that "failed" launch of a satellite recently was actually a KEW that hit North Korea, but such an attack would mimic an atomic bomb without most of the radiation.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“A theory I heard is that the mountain in NK that held the development/test site wasn't destroyed because excessive nuke testing caused it to collapse, it was destroyed by the US using either a bunker busting bomb or a "rod from god."”
——————————————————————
“North Korean president Kim Jong-un recently announced his country has halted its nuclear testing program. While it is unclear whether this is a political move in preparation for meeting with the United States president Donald Trump, recent evidence suggests the country may have been forced to halt testing.

A recent study by a group of geologists discovered that the mountain used by North Korea for its nuclear bomb testing has collapsed as a result of the explosions. The collapsed mountain is raising concerns about radioactive fallout, which could make its way into China.

Scientists from the University of Science and Technology of China believe this could be the true reason North Korean President Kim Jong-un announced the halt of their nuclear testing program.“

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/26/this-could-be-the-real-reason-why-north-korea-stopped-its-nuclear-missile-tests/#24e1a2f864c2

traditionalguy said...

The source of rumors on Kim and the CIA’s State has been the internet Anons that started following Q since November, 2017. Apparently Q is a White House insider that has used the internet to educate us about MI actions. This has become a mass worldwide re-education that in turn has in turn allowed some intelligent analysis from many others.

Check it out for yourself.

AllenS said...

Check out what?

dreams said...

Lucky for us that an earthquake possibly disabled Kim's nuke program. Fortuitous, or was it?

Achilles said...

Hauling something heavy and dense into space and dropping it on the earth would not be particularly difficult. Certainly easier in most ways than building a hydrogen bomb.

Now getting it to land in the right spot and setting it up to “detonate” at the right altitude would be a trick. Also I personally think that dropping shit from space will be a step up from nuclear warfare.

I am leaning towards the norks really wanting to test a hydrogen bomb and not realizing how much more powerful/devestating a “slow” explosion like that would be.

Achilles said...

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
The collective left will buy "he's a good guy". They always do.

No. As you see above if Trump brings an end to the Korean War the leftists will say he is working with mass murderers and is just as bad as Kim Jong Un.

They are melting down as we watch. Trump is obviously getting results in short order and it is becoming clear BushClintonObamaBush were just serving the globalists at our expense.

Obama shipping pallets of cash to the mullahs is looking straight up treasonous at this point.

traditionalguy said...

Q’s favorite line: do you believe in coincidences? He is probably my age because he is big on revenge for the murder of a US Navy hero in Dallas in1963. My kind of guy. Ignorance is bliss, but he unloads info that explains Trump’s successes.

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Zach said...

Also, the cost to Germany of the reunification was horrendous. I invested in German ADRs at the time because I thought the East could function as a low cost industrial plant for a while as the infrastructure was upgraded. The unions would not hear of it. They insisted that there be no differential in pay and that held back Germany for years. The ADRs were not a good investment.

Eh, they also turned the eastern half of their country from a major rival to... the eastern half of their country. That's worth a lot.

The specific mistake they made was in overvaluing the East German mark, which raised East German salaries too high to make it cost advantageous for industry to move there. But some of that was the horse trading needed to make reunification work in the first place.

I've often thought that the West German approach to East Germany would be worth replicating in Korea. The Wessis loaned the Ossis enough money to raise living standards, but insisted on human rights concessions in return. Eventually the Ossis couldn't repay the loans without a major decrease in living standards or a major bailout (which came in the form of reunification).

In the Korean situation, that might be something like subsidized grain exports to North Korea, which would raise living standards immensely but also give the South a major lever on the North.

If you have no contact with the other country, the other country has no advantage from treating you well.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@J. Farmer

The source for the theory I described is "teh internets." Its just speculation as far as I know. As for, "what issues have been resolved?" Its true that things are pretty preliminary, but "Whoa Fat" didn't cross the 38th parallel looking for a better source of ice cream.

Kevin said...

If we could just get to know him, we'd see he's a good guy:

So something other than fashion that he and Hillary have in common?

narciso said...

as mark Bowden noted, the fact that kju is a dynast, doesn't make him the sole ruler, he has had to answer to an apparat, much more loyal to his father and grandfather,

Michael K said...

The specific mistake they made was in overvaluing the East German mark, which raised East German salaries too high to make it cost advantageous for industry to move there.

That's what I meant. The East Germans were not productive enough and it held the whole economy back for more than 5 years. The West was subsidizing them more than they should have had to do.

J. Farmer said...

@Gahrie:

The inability or unwillingness of the two Koreas to talk peace in good faith apparently.

What makes you think these talks are being undertaken "in good faith?"

@Ron Winkleheimer:

The source for the theory I described is "teh internets." Its just speculation as far as I know.

Presumably from the same internet set that promulgates theories about Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas shootings being hoaxes involving actors. The Tianjin explosion back in 2005 was also blamed on such weapons. Is there evidence they even exist and are not merely hypothetical?

Its true that things are pretty preliminary, but "Whoa Fat" didn't cross the 38th parallel looking for a better source of ice cream.

True, but we also cannot know for now why the North is doing what it's doing. Perhaps it is attempting to buy time, perhaps it is attempting to reconcile, perhaps Kim is motivated by domestic concerns.

@traditionalguy:

Apparently Q is a White House insider that has used the internet to educate us about MI actions.

And what evidence has this person provided, other than his or her own word? And does it not seem odd that intelligence communities are able to carry out such sophisticated global operations but can't stop a White House leaker from exposing all of their plans and schemes?

Michael K said...

intelligence communities are able to carry out such sophisticated global operations but can't stop a White House leaker from exposing all of their plans and schemes?

The White House leaks are part of their plans.

Kim probably does have domestic issues. So ?

traditionalguy said...

Q has a method he uses that asks the questions that match up with public source information and lead careful thinkers to clear understanding. He challenges “the autists “ to figure it out using the tool that the future events prove his past information correct. And they have done so.

His disciples call their Q education The Great Awakening. Who needs that?

Michael K said...

It looks like the Palestinian party is over.

In a closed-door meeting with heads of Jewish organizations in New York on March 27th, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) gave harsh criticism of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), according to an Israeli foreign ministry cable sent by a diplomat from the Israeli consulate in New York, as well three sources — Israeli and American — who were briefed about the meeting.

The bottom line of the crown prince's criticism: Palestinian leadership needs to finally take the proposals it gets from the U.S. or stop complaining.

According to my sources, the Saudi Crown Prince told the Jewish leaders:

"In the last several decades the Palestinian leadership has missed one opportunity after the other and rejected all the peace proposals it was given. It is about time the Palestinians take the proposals and agree to come to the negotiations table or shut up and stop complaining."
— MBS


This is the work, in part at least, of Jared Kushner.

Norks and Palestinians but being corralled.

Achilles said...

J. Farmer said...

True, but we also cannot know for now why the North is doing what it's doing. Perhaps it is attempting to buy time, perhaps it is attempting to reconcile, perhaps Kim is motivated by domestic concerns.

Kim is doing what China is telling him to do. I would not be surprised if he is missing body parts after his "invitation" to Beijing.

China is being pushed on every front by a president who actually cares about US interests.

North Korea tried to get to the point where they could nuke the US and that required Hydrogen bombs small enough to fit in the missiles they could make. North Korea made a giant radioactive mess on China's border by testing a bomb they didn't know how to control. This pretty much ended their nuclear program.

It was only a matter of time before they collapsed under pressure from Trump and China had to carry the brunt of dealing with the North Korean collapse.

Right now China is trying to get out of having to deal with the humanitarian catastrophe in North Korea. Reunification means South Korea carries all that water. If they can push South Korea more towards socialism they know Korea will be theirs in a decade US base or no.

Achilles said...

Michael K said...
It looks like the Palestinian party is over.

In a closed-door meeting with heads of Jewish organizations in New York on March 27th, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) gave harsh criticism of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), according to an Israeli foreign ministry cable sent by a diplomat from the Israeli consulate in New York, as well three sources — Israeli and American — who were briefed about the meeting.



Once the Palestinians are forced to accept peace there will be peace.

And Trump has found a willing partner in Bin Salman.

Once it was taken out of the globalist/neocon hands the obvious solution is going to be carried out.

We just needed a president that wants what the American people want.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Presumably from the same internet set that promulgates theories about Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas shootings being hoaxes involving actors. The Tianjin explosion back in 2005 was also blamed on such weapons. Is there evidence they even exist and are not merely hypothetical?

Whoa! You're telling me that information posted on the internet might be unreliable? Wow! Mind. Blown.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry on kinetic weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

And here is an article from Popular Science saying we are at least 15 years from the idea being practical, it was published in 2004.

https://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-06/rods-god

The biggest issue is the expense of putting tungsten rods into earth orbit.

But I have since seen articles stating that the collapse of the NK mountain has placed China at risk due to the release of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, so it is doubtful that China would have given permission for a strike. So probably a combination of economic pressure and Kim having overplayed his hand domestically.

eddie willers said...

And here is an article from Popular Science saying we are at least 15 years from the idea being practical, it was published in 2004.

I'm guessing they didn't anticipate SpaceX.

The Godfather said...

Reunification of Korea requires two steps (the one-step approach was tried by the North in June 1950 and by MacArther in October 1950; neither approach ended well). The first step is to get rid of the current regime in North Korea. The second step is to unify the two states, politically and economically. Step two can't happen until Step One is accomplished.

In theory, the current regime could be eliminated by a combination of attacks by Seal Team Six and drones, but we haven't been able to eliminate ISIS or Al Qaeda that way, so I wouldn't count on it. The best approach might be to buy out the NORK regime: Give the heavy hitters a whole lot of money and a safe place to spend it. I'm not sure where that safe place would be. Someone upthread mentioned Switzerland, but if you were Kim (et al.) would you trust the Swiss to protect you if an order of the International Court of Justice required them to turn you over for trial on human rights violations? Singapore might present a similar problem. Brunei?

If you can accomplish Step One, then Step Two is just a matter of money. Yes, as in the case of Germany, the specific approach may be suboptimal, but that's life.

hombre said...

This will be a rallying cry for 2018 Democrat candidates cheerlead (?) by Madeleine NotSoBright: “Hug gentle Kim, a tyrant for peace!”

hombre said...

I’m sure the tens of thousands of Christians in work camps will be pleased by unification, just as Kim and Co. will be pleased to have the world aware of what he has done to his people. Of course, an exclusive to CNN could keep it hidden..

Gahrie said...

Now getting it to land in the right spot and setting it up to “detonate” at the right altitude would be a trick. Also I personally think that dropping shit from space will be a step up from nuclear warfare.

Accuracy shouldn't be that big of a deal. It will be launched from space, presumably with the aid of GPS. It will be travelling so fast it will not be effected by atmospheric effects. Also KEWs are contact weapons...they're just mass, no explosives. The damage is done when they slam into the Earth at terminal velocity or better and release their kinetic energy.

Look..put an X-37 or a Sierra Nevada Dreamchaser on top of a SpaceX Falcon-9 and you have an operational space drone capable of taking control of the orbitals and dropping KEWs. Give it a railgun and it can take out other spacecraft and satellites. You could buy and operate several dozen of them for the price of a carrier group. Retire the missile subs, the nuclear bomber force and the silo nukes and spend the money elsewhere.

Someone is going to take control of the orbitals, and thus the planet, soon. We have the capability of doing so now.

Tom said...

So, here's an interesting concept. Reunify with the Kim family as a figure head monarchy and the south korean president serves as head of government. If the Kims misbehave down the road, they can be addesssed without fear of bombs landing on Seoul. And, if not, Korea gets the weirdest monarchy on the planet. Just a crazy thought.

MikeR said...

http://blog.dilbert.com/2018/04/29/my-north-korea-blog-posts-indexed-for-historians/
Dilbert claims his share of the Peace Prize. And who knows? He might deserve it.

wildswan said...

The North Korean regime is so terrible that it will not survive the exposure that will come with reunification. So why has Rocketman morphed into Lil' Smilin' Kim and bounced down into South Korea hand outheld? Someone made him. And like the others I have my theory - The Schrodinger's Cat Mountain theory.

I believe the nuclear tests have turned the mountain used for atomic bomb tests into a Chernobyl-about-to-happen. The inside of the mountain is filled with radiation contaminated rocks and is now geologically unstable. If the mountain collapsed and the sides slid off, then the winds would carry radiation from the exposed mountain innards over into China. Peking is not that far away. But is the mountain really about to collapse? That's unknown just like the state of Schrodinger's Cat. But the Chinese are outraged. And they know that whatever might make the mountain safe could never be done by North Korea. Roads and concrete are needed. But they don't want to take over North Korea and make themselves responsible for resolving the human tragedy there. So - allow reunification and open access so that South Korea solves the tragedy while China tries to find out whether Schrodinger's Cat Mountain is alive or dead. The biggest nearby port is Valdivostok so perhaps an event is going to force the co-operation we all know would be a better idea than war.

Now, why all this came up just months after Trump had that North Korean refugee at his State of the Union speech ... ? But, I'm not tired of the winning.

Achilles said...

Gahrie said...

Accuracy shouldn't be that big of a deal. It will be launched from space, presumably with the aid of GPS. It will be travelling so fast it will not be effected by atmospheric effects. Also KEWs are contact weapons...they're just mass, no explosives. The damage is done when they slam into the Earth at terminal velocity or better and release their kinetic energy.

They are more devastating if they "explode" at altitude. Just like nukes. And if you adjust the shape and density you can adjust approximately when they "detonate."

A relatively small asteroid detonates 12 miles up.


Someone is going to take control of the orbitals, and thus the planet, soon. We have the capability of doing so now.

This is absolutely right.

mikee said...

Hung by the neck until dead, or put against a wall and shot, along with his entire family. How about that instead of understanding the mass murderer?

Michael McNeil said...

Folks here are once again reveling in patently-false mythology about “Rods from God” being the somehow the equivalent of nuclear weapons.

For example:

@F
More importantly, would Russia and China not have reacted with nuclear weapons if they saw a "rod from god" de-orbiting? I mean, in the first few minutes, I don't think it would be possible to know what the target was, and that would make it an existential threat to Moscow or Peking. Unless, of course, the US government reassured the Russians and Chinese that "the inferno coming to earth shortly is not aimed at you."

Talk about wishful thinking! As I've demonstrated on earlier threads where the “Rods” are absurdly discussed (the above is one of the more absurd, granted), but a very easy physics calculation (which I detailed) conclusively demonstrates that the “classical” Rod-from-God (an 8.3 metric-ton tungsten rod deorbited from near earth orbit thereupon striking the earth at a terminal velocity of 3 km/second) would convey enormously less energy (around 1,700th of the energy!) that even a relatively tiny nuclear weapon (in modern terms) like the Hiroshima nuclear blast during WWII.

Such a “Rod” indeed would hit with about the same energy as one of the larger _conventional_ bombs such as the “Mother of All Bombs,” the MOAB.


Another defective comment from this thread:

@Ron Winkleheimer
Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry on kinetic weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment


So then folks point to Wikipedia to confirm their delusions — without even reading the article! As that very piece points out (quoting…):

In the case of the system mentioned in the 2003 Air Force report above, a 6.1 m × 0.3 m tungsten cylinder impacting at Mach 10 has a kinetic energy equivalent to approximately 11.5 tons of TNT (or 7.2 tons of dynamite). The mass of such a cylinder is itself greater than 9 [non-metric] tons, so the practical applications of such a system are limited to those situations where its other characteristics provide a clear and decisive advantage — a conventional bomb/warhead of similar weight to the tungsten rod, delivered by conventional means, provides similar destructive capability and is far more practical and cost effective.

(/unQuote)

Precisely!


Here's another faulty comment from this thread:

@Achilles
They are more devastating if they "explode" at altitude. Just like nukes. And if you adjust the shape and density you can adjust approximately when they "detonate."

Nonsense! There's no way to get an 8.3-ton inert tungsten “Rod” to explode except by directly impacting — at high velocity — the solid surface of the earth. Your “example” of how a fluffy, relatively huge (compared with a Rod) asteroid exploded at high altitude is completely irrelevant.

And the most absurd of comment of all (ha ha)…:


dreams
“President Donald Trump will unleash hell on North Korea with a weapon nicknamed ‘Rods from God’ that's the equal to the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs!"

Like hell! Dream on!