May 2, 2017

A big article in the NYT about Ivanka Trump.

You might want to look it over, here. I'll pick out a few highlights (and put them in chronological order):

1. "Her older brother, Don Jr., was at boarding school when their parents divorced, and refused to speak to his father for a year; her younger brother, Eric, was very small. So Ivanka was the child who spent the most time with Mr. Trump, her mother said in an email to The Times. Even then, 'Donald knew he could trust her!' she added."

2. She was happy with the way her life was going before she got caught up in her father's campaign and administration: "She had managed to update her family’s brand from the older, flashy days, with sleek designs. She was personally developing a hotel at the site of the Old Post Office building in Washington, a historical property. And Vogue magazine profiled her as a paragon of millennial taste and accomplishment — a far cry from the tabloid coverage of her youth."

3. She considered not using her children in social media but ultimately decided it was — in the words of Abigail Klem, president of the Ivanka Trump brand — "important to show who she was as a whole person." (This is not unique to Ivanka Trump, but a larger problem: children as a component of the mother's brand.)

4. "Suddenly, after my father declared his candidacy, it became that all the things that I was doing that I was praised for, the same people, the critics, viewed them through this different lens. Somehow, all the same things they applauded me for as a millennial, as a female entrepreneur, were now viewed very cynically as opportunistic.” And: “Everything that was ascribed to him suddenly, for my critics, became true of me."

5. When the Access Hollywood recording hit, "Ivanka Trump made an emphatic case for a full-throated apology... As she spoke, Mr. Trump remained unyielding. His daughter’s eyes welled with tears, her face reddened, and she hurried out in frustration."

6. Ivanka and Donald "trade thoughts from morning until late at night.... She can effectively convey criticism to a man who often refuses it from others, and can appeal to him to change his mind." She says "I’m his daughter. I’ve known him my entire life. He trusts me. I don’t have a hidden agenda. I’m not looking to hit him to help myself." She calls him "Dad" (not Mr. President) and (to others) "my father" not "the President." She'll say to staff: "I need 10 minutes alone with my father." And her husband says: "A lot of their real interactions happen when it’s just the two of them."

93 comments:

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

I thought the stuff re her being pressured to give gal benefits to staff was sorta interesting.

IMHO, it's a rubber meeting the road sorta thing v just the jabber that Althouse, and many others, find most noteworthy.

rhhardin said...

Women are so much better than men.

Bay Area Guy said...

I like Ivanka better than Amy Carter, Patty Davis, Chelsea Clinton, the Bush twins, and the Obama sisters. Trying to engage in hyper scrutiny, the NYT yet again finds no warts.

mockturtle said...

There was a better article [IMO] about Ivanka in this morning's Telegraph.

Fernandinande said...

Related:
Analysis found female engineers[sic?] received 35% more rejections of their code than men
Therefore men are bad.

BDNYC said...

She's the most powerful woman in the world, so I welcome the close scrutiny of her by the media, even if some of it seems unfair. She's arguably the second most powerful person in the world. She's a grownup and a high-ranking official in the White House.

I generally like her, but I do have my doubts about her intelligence, experience, judgment, suitability, etc., and those doubts are magnified by the nepotism concerns. Trump can't fire his own daughter, can he? Anyway, I'm really interested to see how she handles herself and carries out her duties in the White House.

Drago said...

I am reminded of Ben Nighthorse Campbell commenting that as soon as he became a republican all the positions he had received praise for suddenly became terrible things.

He went on to note that he had never really accepted the stories of bias against republicans until then.

David said...

tiny little implications, creeping in the shadows of all those vowels and consonants, ready to draw blood with their implicit little fangs.

cf said...

lI can't read it. i just can't. i know there will be the snitty mean-girl smear in there that cannot be removed from one's brain, and I am so tired of Official Media playing that evil role.

But! I am thrilled someone has a story on her. I keep looking at the magazine racks, and the covers right now are SO BORING!!! like they are intentIonally losing money rather than have a cover of Melania in her easter dress at the annual festivities, and Ivanka, are you kidding me? why would they sacrifice so much revenue by avoiding covers with her? is the pressure by antitrumpers so great?

weird. sad.

buwaya said...

She seems a fine, decent, sensible, clever woman.
No doubt a great mother and a useful adviser.
She does not, however, have that mad spark that makes Donald Trump Trump.

furious_a said...

So much more to Ivanka than there is to Webb Hubbell's daughter.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Donald is President today in no small part because Ivanka vouched for him in the stretch after the Access Hollywood video came to light.

There's an ironic similarity to Bill needing Hillary to vouch for him when he stumbled coming out of the gate back in the 1992 election. Transactionally, Hillary and Ivanka got the same thing out of it, a seat at the table in the most powerful office in the world.

I like Ivanka, but then I liked Hillary too. Because she's a daughter and not a wife, maybe it's easier to see Ivanka as selfless. Still there will be hissing.

Mark said...

She calls him "Dad" (not Mr. President) and (to others) "my father" not "the President."

And it sounds more real and authentic than when Hillary keeps robotically referring to Bill as "my husband."

Mark said...

There's an ironic similarity to Bill needing Hillary to vouch for him when he stumbled coming out of the gate back in the 1992 election.

Those lines about not staying home baking cookies and not being some woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette left a mark on Hillary that has never gone away. She was unlikable right out of the gate and only got worse thereafter.

Hagar said...

If President Trump likes to commune with his daughter about whatever, that is his business, and yes, he can do it. He does not need our permission.

FullMoon said...

Yeah, she is OK, but Chelsea has more awards

AReasonableMan said...

Left Bank of the Charles said...
Donald is President today in no small part because Ivanka vouched for him in the stretch after the Access Hollywood video came to light.

There's an ironic similarity to Bill needing Hillary to vouch for him when he stumbled coming out of the gate back in the 1992 election. Transactionally, Hillary and Ivanka got the same thing out of it, a seat at the table in the most powerful office in the world.


Interesting comment. Hard to think of an equivalent to Jared in any previous administration.

Drago said...

Left Bank of the Charles: "Donald is President today in no small part because Ivanka vouched for him in the stretch after the Access Hollywood video came to light."

There is literally no evidence to support this claim.

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
There is literally no evidence to support this claim.


What sort of evidence would satisfy you?

Mark said...

Donald is President today in no small part because the Dems, the rest of the left and the media went crazy overboard after the Access Hollywood video came to light and it all blew up in their faces when people actually started to feel sympathy for the guy and they realized just how dangerous it would be to elect such fanatical thugs as them. (And they have proven the voters right countless times since then.)

Ambrose said...

Interesting to watch the media feel her out, You know they are looking for a way to attack DJT through her, but they have to tread carefully since she is a she.

AReasonableMan said...

Mark said...
crazy overboard after the Access Hollywood video came to light


I think you are wrong here. To have a leader who made such misogynistic remarks is a slap in the face to many woman. He didn't kill anyone, he may make a better president than Hillary, although that is a low bar, but he remains the aged faced of a misogyny whose time has largely passed.

Michael K said...

The NY Times is about as far from a reliable source on Trump or his children as I can imagine.

I do l know people who know his first wife and she is a cold woman. I don't know her so will not elaborate.

Michael K said...

"he remains the aged faced of a misogyny whose time has largely passed."

And you remain the face of the clueless virtue signaling leftist.

Read "You'll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again" for some info on misogynists.

All whom are out virtue signaling about how terrible Trump was for saying something they all know is true.

Drago said...

ARM: "What sort of evidence would satisfy you?"

It is incumbent upon the individual making the claim to provide supporting evidence.

We are all on pins and needles waiting for Left Bank to provide data and/or analysis to support his claim.

I know you are too. Perhaps you would take a moment to encourage him or even take up his cause. That would be a reasonable step one could take.

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

Mark said...
crazy overboard after the Access Hollywood video came to light

I think you are wrong here. To have a leader who made such misogynistic remarks is a slap in the face to many woman. He didn't kill anyone, he may make a better president than Hillary, although that is a low bar, but he remains the aged faced of a misogyny whose time has largely passed.


mi·sog·y·ny
məˈsäjənē/
noun
noun: misogyny

dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Stupid comment.

Drago said...

ARM: "..but he remains the aged faced of a misogyny whose time has largely passed."

Hilarious.

Every standing ovation given to Billy Clinton by the lefties and auto-defense of Islam by those same lefties puts the lie to that assertion.

But only every single day.

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Stupid comment.


Not as stupid as yours. Same thing is true at FOX. Old misogynists are gradually passing out of the power structure. Trump is a last gasp of a dying breed.

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
Billy Clinton


Clinton is old. Your beliefs regarding the left and Islam remain untethered to reality.

buwaya puti said...

It seems to me that time, and the March of Science, is on the side of the "misogynists". One day we will know, in terms of proper biochemistry, just how men and women work, or know much better anyway. It should put all the familiar empirical knowledge on an unassailable basis.

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Stupid comment.

Not as stupid as yours. Same thing is true at FOX. Old misogynists are gradually passing out of the power structure. Trump is a last gasp of a dying breed.


Nope. Your comment is ridiculous.
What is it? Trump has contempt, or hatred for women? Defend your idiocy.

buwaya puti said...

There are good reasons I think why the academic feminists want to evade the very concept of reasoned analysis. Much of the midern fashionable dogma, that stuff that doesnt sell to the "dying breed", is simply indefensible, not just incompatible with ancient human experience but also with modern science.

exhelodrvr1 said...

How is he a misogynist?

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Trump has contempt, or hatred for women?


Hard to frame these comments as respect.

He is an old man. His views on women are the views of man who grew up in a different era. That era is passing.

Michael K said...

Don't argue with ARM. It's like wrestling with a pig.

Trump is a last gasp of a dying breed.

As are you. An old leftist who does not understand that the left has been taken over by violent anarchists.

Jupiter said...

AReasonableMan said...

"To have a leader who made such misogynistic remarks is a slap in the face to many woman."

Listen, you stupid fucking cunt. Calling you a "stupid fucking cunt" is misogynistic. Because it likens you to a woman, and therefore, by implication, likens women to you. Which is not a complimentary simile.

Saying that when you are a star, women will allow you to grab them by the pussy, is *not* misogynistic. And you would know that, if you actually thought about the words you misuse. At some point in your misspent youth you received a fairly good education, it just didn't overcome your innate lack of character. So you know what misogyny is. And the statement may or may not be accurate, but it is hardly indicative of misogyny. But when you attack your political enemies, your trained Pavlovian reflex is to select a supposedly injured party (women) and then supply the corresponding term deriding their abuser (misogynist). If PDT had claimed Elton John stole the silverware off the table of his mansion when he came to dinner, you would call DJT a homophobe. Because despite your evident intelligence, you're a clueless moron without a talking point to cling to.

Drago said...

ARM: "Clinton is old."

Lol

That's it eh?

ARM: "Your beliefs regarding the left and Islam remain untethered to reality"

The left is completely aligned with radical islam. But only completely as both seek the destruction of western values. It's only after western civ is destroyed that the left will find itself at odds with their Islamic "allies".

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Trump has contempt, or hatred for women?

Hard to frame these comments as respect.

He is an old man. His views on women are the views of man who grew up in a different era. That era is passing.


Boring. Guy is 70 years old, in public eye for fifty years. Best you can do is a handful of comments, half of them jokes, some rumors?

Saying occasional stupid things does not equate it having a hatred or disrespect for the entirety of womanhood.
Being old does not equate with being misogynist. You are old also, and you have made many ridiculous comments here, some in jest. Do they define you?

AReasonableMan said...

The views of old men on women, I rarely hear them uttered by young men. This doesn't mean that young men always treat women well, they don't, but they don't share the misogynist attitudes that old men tend to share. The world has changed. Old men didn't.

You seem to want to argue that the world was a better place before it changed. Women, in general, will not agree.

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
The left is completely aligned with radical islam.


Simply because you repeat this claim in a large fraction of the threads in which you comment doesn't make it true.

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
The left is completely aligned with radical islam.

Simply because you repeat this claim in a large fraction of the threads in which you comment doesn't make it true.

5/2/17, 8:15 PM


Agreed. Moderately aligned is accurate

Drago said...

ARM: "Simply because you repeat this claim in a large fraction of the threads in which you comment doesn't make it true."

Lol

Every blog needs a Walter Duranty to reassure the resident lefties that all is well in lefty land.

Next up: who's up for a Venezuela getaway?

Drago said...

ARM: "The views of old men on women, I rarely hear them uttered by young men. This doesn't mean that young men always treat women well, they don't, but they don't share the misogynist attitudes that old men tend to share. The world has changed. Old men didn't."

It just keeps getting better and better with ARM.

Hey ARM, haven't you heard? We have a Rape Crisis and Rape Culture on our campuses and society according to your lefty pals. It's been in all the papers!

You know which societies do have a cultural problem with that? Islamic cultures.

Guess which society is never criticized by the left.

Go ahead. Guess.

Hagar said...

I think AA wanted this thread to be about Ivanka's influence, if any, on her father and possibly about whether such influence, if any, on the President of the United States by a family member is Constitutionally appropriate?

Cf.,. Jack and Bobby deep in thought and conferring about the Cuban crisis, or George Wallace, or whatever.

mockturtle said...

Trump has neither contempt nor hatred toward women. He has entrusted women with more responsibility than have most political leaders. It is true that he doesn't put women on a moral pedestal. He knows women are strong and capable of taking care of themselves and that they are not morally superior to men.

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

The views of old men on women, I rarely hear them uttered by young men. This doesn't mean that young men always treat women well, they don't, but they don't share the misogynist attitudes that old men tend to share. The world has changed. Old men didn't.

You seem to want to argue that the world was a better place before it changed. Women, in general, will not agree.

5/2/17, 8:14 PM


If you are talking to me, you are compounding your stupidity. Doubt you have much interaction with young men, or old. Your experience is anecdotal.

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
Guess which society is never criticized by the left.

Go ahead. Guess.


Scandinavian society? Volvos, mid century furniture, I've never heard the left utter a bad word about them.

furious_a said...

ARM: ARM: "The views of old men on women, I rarely hear them uttered by young men.

Clueless about hip-hop, are we?

rhhardin said...

Radio Japan translates from Japanese a commentary on Trump's 100 days, including a figure of speech

Trump started by issuing many executive orders which gave the impression that he would be a decisive president and achieve many goals. But courts blocked his temporary ban on travellers from some muslim majority countries and North African nations. Some of his other executive orders lacked content as well. This has promted some to refer to Trump as a "rocking chair president," meaning there's a lot of movement but little actual progress.

furious_a said...


ARM's never heard of "hookup culture", either.

furious_a said...

ARM: He is an old man. His views on women are the views of man who grew up in a different era. That era is passing.

Women employed by or having business with the State of Arkansas no longer have to travel in groups of three or more for safety.

n.n said...

mockturtle:

women are strong and capable of taking care of themselves and that they are not morally superior to men

Equal and complementary in dignity and opportunity.

AReasonableMan said...

furious_a said...
Clueless about hip-hop, are we?


Hip-hop sales are driven by white guys living out fantasies of being 'bad'. The fact that being misogynistic is viewed now as 'bad' is very different to the 1950's and the rat pack or the 1960's and bands like Led Zeppelin, when misogyny was the water they swam in.

Bay Area Guy said...

Ivanka is rich, young, smart, beautiful and a convert to Judaism. Yowza.

By the way, the Access Hollywood video was bullshit. Sorry, talkng smack from 10 years ago on video doesn't mean squat.

furious_a said...

ARM: Hip-hop sales are driven by white guys living out fantasies of being 'bad'

You said 'age', not 'race', Clueless. Keep trying.

MikeD said...

I think Hagar is correct in thinking AA was hoping to a thoughtful commentary on the points highlighted. She's gotta be disappointed in the schoolyard like thread.
BTW, Colbert's writers shud check the thread, they'll find lotsa material for his next exhibition of TDS!

Tank said...

I suspect she is a bad influence on him.

Chuck said...

So I gather that the New York Times is instructing all of us good people, that there is a part of Ivanka that is intelligent, sensitive, human, understandable and credible.

The old liberal Democrat part.

Lem said...

I fear Ivanka is behind the postponement of the border wall money.

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Your experience is anecdotal.


This is fair enough. I do know a number of men in their early 20's, the current age of my sons, but I have never compared their views in a systematic way to older men, some of whose attitudes really gross me out. You forced me to go and look for some data. On a quick glance the data is mixed. This overview supports my argument, see Fig. 6.

Lem said...

Flatter the daughter and the left has a way to influence the agenda?

traditionalguy said...

Ivanka expresses her heart to Dad, and he sees things through her high emotional IQ.

DJT has tools and he uses all of them.

AReasonableMan said...

Lem said...
I fear Ivanka is behind the postponement of the border wall money.


No. He is simply being held to his campaign promise - the Mexican's will pay for the wall. When the Mexican's come up with the cash the wall gets built.

Lem said...

If Ruth Bader doesn't die, we may have seen peak Trump.

rightguy2 said...

In Scent of a Woman, Al Pacino's character uttered a memorable line to his young acolyte sitting next to him on a plane :

"I am going to tell you the only word in the English language worth knowing...Pussy! ".


So was Colonel Frank Slade a "misogynist" ?

I don't think so. But that is what all these NeoPrude lefties around here would have us think.

Jupiter said...

When the Access Hollywood recording hit, "Ivanka Trump made an emphatic case for a full-throated apology... As she spoke, Mr. Trump remained unyielding."

An emphatic case for a full-throated apology, to someone who does not feel particularly apologetic, would be a political argument, no? And, it would appear, an incorrect one. Trump perceived what his daughter did not; that his supporters would prefer to see the finger-wagging harpies of the Left ignored rather than humored.

Hmh. "Hit", did it? Like a meteorite, it just fell from the sky.

mockturtle said...

Trump perceived what his daughter did not; that his supporters would prefer to see the finger-wagging harpies of the Left ignored rather than humored.

Bingo, Jupiter!

Michael K said...

You seem to want to argue that the world was a better place before it changed. Women, in general, will not agree.

You poor sap. Why not ask Muslim women ?

Oh, wait...


Hilarious. Arguing with ARM is like talking to the wall.

Good night. I have work tomorrow. No time for fools.

Jupiter said...

AReasonableMan said...

"I do know a number of men in their early 20's, the current age of my sons, but I have never compared their views in a systematic way to older men..."

What? You mean you don't hang out with your sons' friends and ask them if they're getting any? I'm sure none of them have ever grabbed a woman by the pussy. Little monks, they are, kids these days. When you see them wandering around with their hands in their pockets, they're checking their instant messages. Probably think you were inquiring about the quality of their wireless reception. Right, ARM? "Why, yes, Sir! I'm getting lots! With this new 5G plan, I receive more than 6 terabits of high-resolution pornography every waking hour of the day."

AReasonableMan said...

Michael K said...
No time for fools.


Avoid mirrors.

AReasonableMan said...

Jupiter said...
What? You mean


The complaint was that my views were based on anecdotal evidence. I link to some data that seems to be pretty solid and now that is ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative?

Jupiter said...

AReasonableMan said...

"The complaint was that my views were based on anecdotal evidence. I link to some data that seems to be pretty solid and now that is ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative?"

I sympathize. I called you a "dumb fucking cunt", and you completely ignored me, just because it didn't fit in with the narrative you were pushing. I believe it was William Tecumseh Sherman who famously said, "Internet trolling is Hell".

walter said...

Left Bank of the Charles said...I like Ivanka, but then I liked Hillary too. Because she's a daughter and not a wife, maybe it's easier to see Ivanka as selfless. Still there will be hissing.
--
Wrong verb...

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
Your experience is anecdotal.

This is fair enough. I do know a number of men in their early 20's, the current age of my sons, but I have never compared their views in a systematic way to older men, some of whose attitudes really gross me out. You forced me to go and look for some data. On a quick glance the data is mixed. This overview supports my argument, see Fig. 6.

5/2/17, 9:07 PM


Ummmm, nope. Your beginning argument was that Trump is misogyinistic. A hater of/ disrespectful to women. You provided an idiotic link with instances of Trump making jokes, being taken out of context, replying to insult with insult, and several genuinely stupid things. \

You have failed to back up your oft repeated claim of misogyny regarding Trump. Providing evidence that attitudes have changed over the decades confirms your idiocy. It is not only attitudes of the young that have changed. No doubt older people have changed also. Witness the evolution of Hillary and Obama regarding gay marriage, and the election of Obama despite his mediocre experience,

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

""No time for fools."

Avoid mirrors."

That's not nice, the Doc needs us to be here for him.

If not us, who else is going to listen to his pronouncements re: sleepy time, libs making him tired, responding to other folks by saying he's not responding to these folks, and identifying how some many people are stupid compared to his brilliance?

He's adorable, in an Archie B way.

He cracks me up more than anyone else here.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Technically,

I crack myself up the most.

But, the Doc is in second place.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

If cedarford was still here, he'd edge out the Doc.

Bad Lieutenant said...

No, cedarford's way was to just go dark when he had been beaten in an argument. He wouldn't flail wildly. When he was done he was done. Occasionally he would try to wink out in a cloud of squid ink. Resembles Robert Cook in this if in nothing else.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Bad L,

He was fun.

Among other things, I remember quizzing him re the hotness of Bar Refaeli.

Good times.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Obviously, my POV re these threads is a bit more glib than most (all?) of the rest of ya.

I can see how the more reasonable response v my response to C4 (and such) is not hysterical laughter.

OTOH, this more earnest POV would really be a downer. And for what?



Alex said...

I know that there are millions of women who will never forgive Trump for his "grab 'em by the pussy". Unforgivable!

Bob Loblaw said...

The left is completely aligned with radical islam. But only completely as both seek the destruction of western values. It's only after western civ is destroyed that the left will find itself at odds with their Islamic "allies".

If they were ever to actually succeed the left would have no chance of prevailing against the Muslims. I don't think they will, though.

Bob Loblaw said...

I know that there are millions of women who will never forgive Trump for his "grab 'em by the pussy". Unforgivable!

How did we ever end up with a generation of weaklings?

Rusty said...


"Obviously, my POV re these threads is a bit more glib than most (all?) of the rest of ya."

"glib" doesn't necessarily equate to 'intelligent'.
Obviously.

sparrow said...

I don't think the Access Hollywood remark did much of anything to the vote, did polls shift much? I think it was always a weak hit. Anyone voting for a Clinton had already tolerated much worse.

However the poise and independence of Ivanka speaks very well of her father. He can share the spotlight. The comparison of Ivanka to say Chelsea is especially telling.

AReasonableMan said...

Jupiter said...
I called you a ...


I apologize for ignoring this. It simply had not occurred to me that this was your best effort and that your authorship was such a point of personal pride. Good effort. Really. I mean this sincerely. A really good effort.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Does PB realize that "glib" is not a complimentary term?

a : marked by ease and informality : nonchalant
b : showing little forethought or preparation
c : lacking depth and substance

2
archaic : smooth, slippery
3
marked by ease and fluency in speaking or writing often to the point of being insincere or deceitful a glib politician

It's a fairly accurate description of PB's comments, so I give him credit for some self awareness in knowing he is insincere, deceitful, and lacks depth and substance.

AReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
You have failed to back up your oft repeated claim of misogyny regarding Trump.


You have failed to recognize that Trump's statements are viewed as misogynist, by the prevailing standards of the day. As I pointed out, attitudes have changed and you are out of touch with those changes. Not your fault, you are old.

AReasonableMan said...

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
the Doc needs us to be here for him.


He does, because he is a masochist. He likes to be slapped around. As evidence for this statement I would refer you to any and all of his conversations with ritmo.

AReasonableMan said...

Maybe we should give Melania the last word.

tcrosse said...

Syllogism:
1. I hate misogynists
2. I hate Trump.
Ergo Trump is a misogynist.
QED

FullMoon said...

ReasonableMan said...

FullMoon said...
You have failed to back up your oft repeated claim of misogyny regarding Trump.

You have failed to recognize that Trump's statements are viewed as misogynist, by the prevailing standards of the day. As I pointed out, attitudes have changed and you are out of touch with those changes. Not your fault, you are old.

5/3/17, 7:07 AM


Oh, I see now. You did not mean to imply that Trump is misogynist. You simply meant that his statements were misogynist. That is entirely different, isn't it?

Very smooth transition on your part. Clintonesque, even.

FullMoon said...

AReasonableMan said...

Maybe we should give Melania the last word.

5/3/17, 7:31 AM


Oh, no! Wife not happy about something her husband said?
Never happened around your joint, before the divorce?