March 6, 2017

The Supreme Court sends the transgender rights case back to the lower court...

... in light of the Trump administration's withdrawal of the Obama administration's advice to schools to "treat transgender students consistent [sic] with their gender identity," enforced with a threat of the loss of federal funding. The 4th Circuit had ruled in favor of a student — Gavin Grimm, who sought access to the boys' bathroom — based on the Obama administration policy, so it's unsurprising that the Court sent the case back .

The link goes to the NYT, which includes a — fake news? — map showing the estimated percentage of transgender high school students in each of the 50 states.

31 comments:

JohnGalt said...

Looking at the map, there are 6 different shades and only five groups in the legend?

Curious George said...

"JohnGalt said...
Looking at the map, there are 6 different shades and only five groups in the legend?"

The sixth is Iowa. They discovered it wasn't a transgender, but a pig. Honest mistake.

mockturtle said...

Who knew that West Virginia has the highest percentage of transgender students? Maybe pollution by coal mines is responsible.

Michael K said...

Milenial youth have very inaccurate estimates of these things. Many think 25% of the US population is gay.

Last week at work we had a whole DoD training session on transgender applicants to the military,

It was interesting to see the reaction of normal women DoD employees to the idea of showering with transgender "women" with penises.

n.n said...

Human sex is binary established by genetics. Gender is behavioral characteristics closely correlated with sex (e.g. transgender/homosexual). The treatment of transgender/crossovers is influenced by their sex, including physical attributes, and gender. The concern is privacy, safety, and psychology of sex-oriented spaces and places.

That said, the targeting of prepubescent and adolescent children for physical, psychological, and social transgender therapy is a progressive concern.

damikesc said...

Again, why are feminists not upset that the Left is claiming that ALL it takes to be a woman are boobs and a vagina...and even THAT is sketchy. A guy is a woman if he THINKS he is one.

Don't women find it a bit objectionable to have the differences in sex so utterly obliterated by pop culture?

Why is there a NEED for a NOW since men can be women easily?

traditionalguy said...

The Fake part of the News stories on this is calling her a him. Virtue signaling as smoke and mirrors is still smoke and mirrors.

Was it a boy wanting to use the boy's room? No one knows. And no one cares.

He-She will just have to hold it until the Courts finish their dance.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

I'm skeptical of the assertion that there are 150k transgender high schoolers out there. The National Center for Education Statistics puts the total number of public high schoolers at about 15M, so 150k is 1%. The Feb article asserts it's 1/137, which is about 0.73%. Maybe the difference is teenagers who don't go to public high school, but since its public high school policy we're talking about that doesn't seem as relevant.
Anyway, is it really 1%? What's the percentage of self-identified homosexual high schoolers, total? I'd be surprised if it was more than 5% (nationwide). Let's say it's 5%--that'd mean there's one transgender kid for every 5 homosexual high schoolers. That seems high, no?

Anyway, I don't trust the NYT's cited numbers, and even if I did I don't believe their insistence on minority rights for a tiny minority (1%, max) has anything to do with a principle other than "we support this particular interest group." I mean, what other groups meet a "1% of the population" threshold? Some pretty kooky groups, I bet--what do you think the NYTimes crowd would say if one of those super-fringe groups demanded recognition, respect for their beliefs, rights, etc?

Gretchen said...

As it becomes more and more desirable to be part of a victim class, transgender will be the oppressed group of choice as white suburban teens obsessed with social justice and seeking attention and an excuse for social and academic failure cannot easily decide they are black or handicapped. Who wants to be labelled the oppressor, especially when, as a so-called oppressor, you have no actual benefit, when you can claim you are oppressed, without actually being oppressed? In fact, being transgender opens up scholarship and other opportunities.

Static Ping said...

Estimates are always questionable. Estimates of very small percentages of the population at large are extremely questionable; the error bars tend to be huge relative to the sub-population. Politicized estimates are useless.

Here we have a combination of very small population and high politicization. I wouldn't believe these numbers at all.

Michael K said...

the Left is claiming that ALL it takes to be a woman are boobs and a vagina

No, it doesn't take a vagina anymore. You're not keeping up.

I asked at the training session why a transition is considered "complete" by the military if the "woman" still has a penis. That is not a dangerous operation. Creating a vagina is difficult but most of these people have anal sex anyway. Why should a person with a oenis be considered a woman ?

They had no answers. I doubt the policy will ever happen. Obama and his troop of fools are gone.

Jason said...

If they're born that way, then why isn't the percentage roughly the same across the country?

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

NPR the other day (Friday, I think) had a piece on an eight-year-old transgender FTM boy who had gone to a transgender summer camp for other kids his age and made friends with three other FTMs, also eight years old.

This, I submit, is nuts. I mean, I imagine that puberty complicates things medically. But don't you have to experience it to know who/what you are? These kids are being altered before their own minds are formed, and if they regret it later, who's to know? Not the parents, surely.

I was a tomboy. I busied myself with solitary walks and model airplanes and Dungeons & Dragons and Nomic and math club and violin practice. Do you think I'd still be female if I weren't 49?

buwaya said...

"Many think 25% of the US population is gay."

For the under-25 cohort of elite college students I would not dismiss this estimate.
They may not actually be gay (and who knows how to define that), but the girls at least are very, very likely to claim that they are something of the sort.

The Godfather said...

Now that Trump has withdrawn the "guidance", each school or school district should be left alone to figure out how to deal with their (very few) transgender students and faculty. In a relatively small population it should be possible to make individualized decisions that will minimize the adverse effects on the transgender minority and the majority who aren't transgender. Judges should wash their hands (in a gender-neutral bathroom) of the whole issue.

Roughcoat said...

It was interesting to see the reaction of normal women DoD employees to the idea of showering with transgender "women" with penises.

What was their reaction?

The Cracker Emcee said...

"Many think 25% of the US population is gay."

In 1978, of the 100's of people of my acquaintance, there was only one I knew to be gay. I submit that this survey has the same statistical validity as the one quoted above.

EDH said...

I'm a little skeptical of the survey methodology used by the NYT to estimate such a high "percentage of transgender high school students in each of the 50 states," especially Texas.

William said...

I don't know any transgendered people, but I have known some people in wheelchairs. Some elements of their life are challenging, including finding bathrooms that are wheelchair accessible. I never questioned them about this, but my guess is bathroom accommodations are not the biggest challenge in their life.......I don't know think any kind bathroom ruling, either way, will solve the most of the problems a transgendered kid faces in school. .......For the record, I think every human being deserves to be treated with respect and kindness. Maybe in some cases the best thing would be giving such a student access to the faculty bathroom. It's the kind of problem that demands individual attention and solutions.

Unknown said...

Typical boys before puberty are likely to think girls have cooties and find them uninteresting. After puberty, it is all they thing about (well, and cars, which you need to get the girls, and money which you need to get the girls). Kids before puberty have no possible way to know what "gender" they are. Even some homosexual feelings in teens often go away. I saw figures that 70-80% of self-proclaimed trans teens changed their minds and became either normal or gay after a few years.
I doubt the NYT figures big time. According to them, there should have been 15 trans in my high school, yet they remained completely undetected. I have seen figures for adults of 0.3% of the population (3/1000) and I think this is still probably high. In my entire life I have known 1 guy who underwent surgery to become female and have seen only a couple of guys in dresses who were clearly trans (but had not had surgery yet, and were also clearly disturbed). Of course I don't hang out on Times Square, but still.

damikesc said...

NPR the other day (Friday, I think) had a piece on an eight-year-old transgender FTM boy who had gone to a transgender summer camp for other kids his age and made friends with three other FTMs, also eight years old.

If I was an enterprising AG, I'd get a list of all kids at that camp and bring up all of their primary parents on child abuse charges.

mockturtle said...

I did model airplanes, too, MDT1 To this day I'm crazy about aircraft. But I also liked paper dolls. I suppose I was bi-gender and just didn't know it. ;-D

The Cracker Emcee said...

Somewhere, there's an enterprising attorney laying the groundwork for a billion dollar class-action lawsuit on behalf of the survivors of the poor souls who had the reassignment surgery but killed themselves anyway.

"My client's son was clearly disturbed and you thought the solution was to surgically mutilate him, Doctor?"

Ka-ching.

Clyde said...

What's the matter with West Virginia? Or were the kids just pranking the big city reporters? I'm guessing the latter.

Rob said...

West Virginia is well known as the epicenter of the trans community. Caitlin Jenner is relocating there any minute.

Pugsley the Pug said...

@ Michael K - my son, at his induction physical for the Army, was told by the doctor that he needed to get off of Accutane for his acne at least two months prior to basic training (two years ago) or else he could be failed out of the Army. Can you explain why transgender recruits get a pass with the hormones and other meds getting pumped into their bodies for the rest of their lives to counteract their genetic hormones? That is crazy!

boycat said...

Whenever you run across a supposed "transgendered" pay sharp attention for a mother with Munchausen by proxy.

Michael K said...

"my son, at his induction physical for the Army, was told by the doctor that he needed to get off of Accutane for his acne at least two months prior to basic training"

Yeah. Accutane has to be over for 8 weeks. I don't know why. I am not an authority on Accutane.

I think the transgender thing is bullshit and most of the enlisted people at that training session agreed quietly but nobody wants to be a martyr for this.

I'm a part timer and everybody knows old doctors are curmudgeons. We can say, within reason, what we think.

One Iranian woman doctor a couple of years ago said at one of these sessions that it was hard to measure lordosis (lumbar curvature) in black females because black women have big butts.

That was in the presence of several black women doctors.

I was very quietly hysterical. She's not there anymore.

JAORE said...

"Looking at the map, there are 6 different shades and only five groups in the legend?"

The sixth is Iowa. They discovered it wasn't a transgender, but a pig. Honest mistake."

LOL No jury pool for old Curious George! [But, as a native Kansas, I can assure you the guys in Iowa that lusted for pigs were considered cis-normative for that time and place.]

re sexual surveys: In our first year of high school we took a survey on sexual activity. Turns out the guys were getting laid nearly hourly. And we were engaging in activities that cost "extra" in a cat house. They girls, by contrast were nearly universally virgins.

Today kids think gay is a positive thing. Likely trans too. If nothing else than to raise the eyebrows of us oldies.

They don't make gains of salt big enough for me to accept surveys on sex related matters.



JAORE said...

Oh yeah, FWIW:

In my youth I used to socialize with a number of gay friends in Portland (being an old married fart in Alabama has curtailed that - I don't do bars much at all). Met a beautiful red headed, trans waitress. She was partially through the process, testicles removed though she still had a penis.

At that time,and perhaps dependent on who was doing the surgery, she had undergone many sessions of psych evaluation. She had also had to have lived, exclusively, as a woman for a period of time (memory says two years). And, of course she was footing the extensive costs out of her own pocket.

Seemed a lot different than what I read about today.

Stoutcat said...

here's just so much wrong here, I don't know where to start.

Oh, wait, let's start here: "A study based on state and federal data estimates that nearly 150,000 American teenagers from 13 to 17 would say they were transgender if asked."
If asked? So they didn't actually ask teenagers, they just estimated how many would say they were transgendered. Did they make up the answers?

Maybe: "Proportionally, however, Hawaii and West Virginia took the lead, with about 1 in 100 teenagers from 13 to 17 estimated to be transgender. In Connecticut and Iowa, the transgender share of that age group was projected to be much smaller, about 1 in 250."

But: The analysis, an extrapolation based on adult responses to a federal survey, represents an indirect way of arriving at a figure that many advocates consider to be of crucial importance.
To put it succinctly: indirect, my ass. They're making stuff up and publishing it as if true. This is the very epitome of fake news.