February 24, 2017

"The new '... nevertheless, she persisted'?"

Writes my son John about the statement "She got exactly what she wanted, which wasn't to speak.... She wanted to cause a scene...."

The statement appears in an L.A. Times article, "A state senator is removed from the chamber for her comments about Tom Hayden and Vietnam":
After trying to make a statement about the late Tom Hayden and his opposition to the Vietnam War, Sen. Janet Nguyen (R-Garden Grove) was removed from the floor of the state Senate on Thursday, a tense scene that ended in a slew of angry accusations from both Republicans and Democrats.

Nguyen, who was brought to the United States as a Vietnamese refugee when she was a child, said she wanted to offer "a different historical perspective" on what Hayden and his opposition to the war had meant to her and other refugees....

In the statement which she later posted on her official Senate website, Nguyen criticized Hayden for siding "with a communist government that enslaved and/or killed millions of Vietnamese, including members of my own family."
A procedural rule was cited as the basis for wanting shut Nguyen up. She was ruled "out of order" for using a "point of personal privilege." Nguyen had refrained from airing her opinion during a remembrance of Hayden that had occurred earlier in the week.

35 comments:

Big Mike said...

Dumbocrats know how dish it out but sure can't take it, can they?

Michael K said...

Your "talking heads" autoplays when the blog site opens.

I quit the LA Times when we moved and the number of free views seems to have expired. The Vietnamese refugees are unpopular in California politics these days since they are virtually all Republicans. Like the Poles and Hungarians, they have seen communism up close and personal;.

Bad Lieutenant said...

What are you trying to say?

If Tom Hayden had strangled on his pacifier, the world would be a better place. What protection against truth has Hayden got in California state senate?

Birches said...

Hahaha. Delicious.

damikesc said...

Not sure how "my parents were enslaved by these people" is a "point of personal privilege", but there you go.

YoungHegelian said...

Publicly reminding the populace that many on the Left enthusiastically & willingly performed unnatural acts for regimes that murdered millions if not tens of millions of their own citizens can make you very unpopular in some quarters.

Really want to be unpopular? Ask supporters of the women's march in DC as to why they gave a microphone to a seemingly unrepentant Soviet stooge like Angela Davis, twice VP candidate for the CPUSA, & recipient of the Lenin Prize from the hands of Leonid Brezhnev himself.

LarsPorsena said...

Just like Liz Warren but where's the outrage?

bagoh20 said...
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bagoh20 said...

My whole life it seems like this side and view of the Vietnam War has been ignored and is now entirely forgotten. We didn't do it for conquest or theft of resources, and the same was true in Iraq and many other places. The United States has an unusual history of great sacrifice for the freedom of others, but many cannot give that idea any hearing, let alone acceptance.

Hyphenated American said...

Damn right! These dnc commie lovers need to be ashamed of themselves.

bagoh20 said...

I shouldn't say "we". I was too young to serve - just barely, and I was planning to go to Canada if it got to me. One of many personal failures I only avoided by luck.

I don't know how I feel about such wars and personal choices to serve or run. I know I deeply respect those who serve much more than those who run, but I understand the simple and powerful desire to not kill people, yet I think that is usually secondary to fear for oneself. The possibility of doing a great good for others is liekly not a common personal reason for going, but I do think it is often what motivates us as a nation.

Amadeus 48 said...

When I was in college, Tom Hayden was invited to come talk in his SDS days. I went to hear him with some friends. Our conclusion: what an idiot.
Free speech-1; viewpoint discrimination-0.

YoungHegelian said...

@bagoh20,

The United States has an unusual history of great sacrifice for the freedom of others, but many cannot give that idea any hearing, let alone acceptance.

Now, that's just jingoist propaganda. But, that the Democrats are going balls to wall to help the illegal Mexican immigrants completely out of the goodness of their hearts, that's just a fact! It's not like those illegals ever do anything that might help the Dems out. Like, you know, vote or nuthin' Nuh-uh. Never.

buwaya said...

True re Vietnamese.
The reaction to their political views is interesting.
I have seen similar confrontations several times over my decades here.
It is apparent the (white) liberal is confused; the Viet cannot be openly opposed, for I think racial reasons. So there is no argument. The response is silence, it never happened, and the subject is changed, for the moment.
Engagement is avoided at all costs.

khesanh0802 said...

Good for her. Get her before the nation with her views. It's about time Hayden and Fonda and their ilk were exposed as the assholes they are.

buwaya said...

Its a pity Tom Wolfe wrote so slowly.
He wrote towering atchitectures of ironies and hypocrisies.
He had, and has, endless material.
More today than ever, and few great workmen.

Static Ping said...

When a woman makes a nuisance for herself to stand up for the cause, she is a hero. When a woman makes a nuisance for herself stand up against the cause, she is a stupid bitch. Life is a lot easier when you start with conclusions and reason backwards.

Of course, there is a Laslo Exception which modifies the opinion of said woman depending on how hot she is. Stupid bitches with big racks may apply!

MayBee said...

Why doesn't McConnell get the credit for a great turn of phrase?

Robert Cook said...

"The United States has an unusual history of great sacrifice for the freedom of others, but many cannot give that idea any hearing, let alone acceptance."

None are so blind as they who will not see.

John said...

Blogger Michael K said...

The Vietnamese refugees are unpopular in California politics these days since they are virtually all Republicans.


I just watched Treme again. There is a scene where Sonny's Vietnamese father in law is fixing to vote and Sonny asks him who for. His answer is McCain and always republican. He puts an awful lot of himself into that line.

Asking a Vietnamese-American to vote Democrat, especially after their 1974 betrayal and the hundreds of thousands murdered and drowned, is like asking a Jew to vote for Hitler. Ain't gonna happen.

And good on the Senator for not going quietly. Had the stupid CA democrats allowed her to speak for 5 minutes, nobody would have heard about it.

Now we all have.

And we can all remember once again what shitbags Hayden and Jane Fonda were. Never forget, never forgive.

John Henry

Otto said...

Hayden was a piece of sh*t. A typical 60s radical that replaced something with nothing.He masqueraded his tyrannical impulses as democratic compassion.His epater les bourgeois captivated women including our own blogger.But she is in good company.
Sadly 2 million Vietnamese lost their lives in that war, a true tragedy.

Unknown said...

Never, ever forget: Democrats sold our ally down the river, and let South Vietnam be brutally destroyed. The Fall of Saigon is totally on Democrat hands.

But they prefer to roll around in Vietnamese blood and smile proudly. Democrats apparently are very, very proud they lost the Vietnam war for America, and threw away all of those men and spent all that treasure just to allow a communist dictatorship enslave millions of people.

All our big wars in the 20th century were started or entered into by Democrats: WWI (Wilson), WWII (Roosevelt), Korea (Truman), Vietnam (Kennedy and Johnson). Cold war: Truman. And most of them were ended by Republicans: Eisenhower, Nixon. Reagan ended the cold war.

I know several Vietnamese people; refugees and their children. I've been in their homes. It boils my blood whenever I think about the Democrat party and the Vietnam war.

People like Fonda and Hayden were and are traitors who should have been publicly hung. But Democrats celebrate them as heroes. What else do you need to know about that party? Anyone who sees what happened to South Vietnam as a good thing--which Hayden, Fonda, Kerry, Obama, and Hillary do-- well, I'll stop here.

--Vance

Mike said...

This will never reach the public the way the Fauxcahontas story was publicized. Women will not come to Nguyen's defense. You'll never see the headline/sub-headline:
Democrats Shut Down Debate; Woman Minority Hardest Hit

damikesc said...

Did she want to make a scene?

Yes.

Did Warren want to make a scene?

Yes.

So why are they treated differently, except Nguyen is discussing her family directly while Warren was quoting somebody else?

As for Vietnam, we, sadly, backed a country whose government really didn't seem to give that much of a shit about winning. But the citizens went thru absolute hell that we cannot fathom and the Left doesn't seem all that concerned about what happened to them.

Mike said...

And people like Moonbeam Brown vehemently opposed allowing refugees in during his first term. He didn't want open borders when it came to boat people. He claimed the poor Vietnamese immigrants would "steal jobs from Americans."

My how times change when your politics shift with the wind. Then, legal immigrants = bad job stealers; now, illegal immigrants = wonderful resource for Cali!

Skippy Tisdale said...

All our big wars in the 20th century were started or entered into by Democrats: WWI (Wilson), WWII (Roosevelt), Korea (Truman), Vietnam (Kennedy and Johnson). Cold war: Truman. And most of them were ended by Republicans: Eisenhower, Nixon. Reagan ended the cold war.

The Civil war was also started by Democrats and ended by a Republican President.

Big Mike said...

@Cookie, you do recognize that your comment at 10:31 perfectly applies to you, right?

Big Mike said...

@Mike, the Democrats believe in speaking truth to power -- until they're in power and someone else is speaking truth.

openidname said...

Impossible to tell from the L.A. Slimes article what the parliamentary procedural issue was, much less who was right and who was wrong. Must mean Sen. Nguyen was right.

Also, note the sleight-of-hand in the lede: " . . . a tense scene that ended in a slew of angry accusations from both Republicans and Democrats." It makes it sound as if both Republicans and Democrats were mad at Sen. Nguyen, though they were probably really made at each other. And note that the rest of the article never actually identifies any particular Republicans who made any particular angry accusations.

Tyrone Slothrop said...



Truth to power.

Ken Mitchell said...

Hayden and most of the overwhelmingly-Dem California legislature were and are Communists. The current legislature wants to glorify anti-Americanism in general and communists in particular. Nguyen wanted to call out communists for having made her childhood hell.

On alternate days, I think I _want_ California to secede from the Union and take the worst of the fruitcakes in Congress with them. On the other days, I remember that I live in California, and that I could only HOPE for the conservative valley and mountain counties to secede from California and rejoin the United States, ala West Virginia.

Jeff Teal said...

In 1975 when Saigon fell the refugees began arriving and one of the sitesd selected to house them was an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB.My High School Band and others volunteered to help at the camp.We knew who our friends were Hayden and Fonda not so much.A little while later Bud Day was selected as base Commander and lived just down the street from us.Do you think he would have anything nice to say about Hayden and Fonda given his seven years as a POW?All of us that I know that came from vietnam era military families know exactly how we feel about comsymps.

C R Krieger said...

I'm with Jeff Teal and most of the rest of the comments. (We left Eglin in Dec 73 for the UK.)

Good on State Senator Janet Nguyen. (I was a voter in Orange County for about 30 years.) She is a hero to me, in a way my now Senior US Senator, E Warren, is not.

Regards — Cliff

Kirk Parker said...

"None are so blind as they who will not see."

Whoa, Robert Cook has more self-awareness than I would have guessed!

Kirk Parker said...

bagoh2o,

I was in the first cohort (1972) where they didn't draft anyone, though in a bit of useless advantage I had a very high draft number anyway.

But my plan if I had gotten a low number was to enlist in the Navy, and try for a MOS related to electronics or comms. (Aside: my current employer was in sigint and was The Guy on Guam who was the first to get the stale-codebook message from the Pueblo.) Dunno if that was more honorable that your solution, but I was 150% sure I did not want to be a ground pounder.