November 16, 2016

"The greater conniption the left has, the better the decision is, and that's what everybody needs to come to realize."

"The bigger conniption fit the media has or the left, the better the decision."

Said Rush Limbaugh today, talking about the Trump transition.
The Trump transition team is not imploding, folks.  It is getting set to kick ass.  What the media is trying to tell you, apparently there was some movement.  Trump decided to get rid of some people, the Chris Christie team, apparently, in the process of putting together a national security team, and Mike Rogers was part of this, and Christie made a mistake, he went out and he was recruiting some lobbyists.  Trump has made it plain and been very clear about it, that there aren't gonna be any lobbyists.  He's not going to have the traditional Washington trappings to his administration....

[H]e found out people were doing things he didn't want done and he moved them out and he's replacing them.  What's imploding is the media.... They're already ticked off that Trump went to dinner last night.  Have you heard about this?  Trump ditched the media and went to dinner.  He went to 21.  He had dinner with his family.  Media is outraged.  How dare he leave without telling us.  How dare he leave without taking us....
I've been advising anti-Trumpers to resist over-emotionalism, to be respectful, and to wait for specific policy proposals to object to and protest. I like peace and rationality and hate seeing the losing side in the election freaking out. But Limbaugh thinks the freakout — the "conniption" — is good for Trump. It's a test of whether he's really "draining the swamp." And I would add that disorder looks bad to people on the outside. You may get your protests cranked up and feel that your righteous anger is helping your cause, but don't forget how it looks to the rest of the country, especially people who just saw their side win the election. Don't they deserve the fruits of their victory? I said much the same thing when people here in Madison went wild after Scott Walker took office in 2011. I think the protesters believed they'd pulled off something epic and wonderful, but they were cementing Walker's victory, and 5 years later, the state government is even more firmly in the grip of a Republican majority.

ADDED: Here's the headline at NBC News, which I found very funny: "As Trump Leaves Press Behind for Steak Dinner, Incoming Admin Already Showing Lack of Transparency."

109 comments:

320Busdriver said...

There is a chart out that shows how many top advisors were chosen in each week following the election of a new admin.

Trump has already chosen more for posts than most other admins had in the first week going back for many years.

Trumps lack of government experience might warrant a more cautious and more patient pace of decision, but I like that the msm's hair continues to burn. You are right Professor, it only cements their losing fate. WI is instructive.

tcrosse said...

I don't want to hear a goddam word about Civility or Comity or Coming Together, least of all from that miserable scumbag Harry Reid. I held my nose to vote for Trump, and these so-called 'Progressive' assholes can call me names all day for all the good it will do them. I wash my feet in their tears, and laugh at their pathetic Hate and Intolerance. There, now I feel better.

Meade said...

Steak dinner huh? Was the beef grass-fed? This is a democracy. Transparency. We have a right to know.

Quaestor said...

NPR could speak of nothing this afternoon except the disarray and confusion in the Trump transition team. To clarify the situation for their listeners NPR consulted people who had never spoken to Trump and had never read anything about him except stuff written by equally clueless writers. NPR's favorite word was bloodletting, which they think is bad and implies violence. When the word was coined it implied a medical procedure, a purge of what has made the patient sick.

Bloodletting was their word, deliberately applied to a situation the NPR producer did not understand and had no wish to understand. When a Democrat does this it is called reform. When Trump reforms government it's called bloodletting.

mockturtle said...

No one except the media is going to feel sorry for the media. Lack of transparency? I hope he shuts out CNN & NBC entirely. I think it's one major reason Trump won. He didn't backpedal and kowtow to the MSM. For those of us who have hated them for years, it was a breath of fresh air.

mockturtle said...

Steak dinner huh? Was the beef grass-fed? This is a democracy. Transparency. We have a right to know.

Oh, hell. PETA will be protesting, now.

readering said...

This behavior by Trump led to serious misreporting by the media. He had a burger, not a steak. Misinformation!

Also, how the hell did a reporter actually sitting at a table at the restaurant tweet that it was Keens, not the 21 Club? Every reporter worth his or her shaken or stirred martini knows Keens has pipes on the ceiling not the miscellaneous crap at the 21 Club. Unforgivable. But probably explains the misreporting on the steak vs. burger.

Gk1 said...

I am waiting to see any signs from the media that they are ready to change how they cover Trump. Instead it looks like a more pathetic Coyote against the Road Runner gag complete with materials bought from Acme. Its not working guys. Why not try something new like provide news coverage and leave the butt hurt out for a few weeks at least?

Rhythm and Balls said...

People didn't give Hitler or Mussolini enough of a chance, either.

It's a real problem in politics.

Saint Croix said...

did you have the lobster?

did you have the steak?

the people have a right to know!

Darrell said...

When the Left goes back to shitting on the sidewalk--as they are doing now--you are winning.

Saint Croix said...

Trumps lack of government experience might warrant a more cautious and more patient pace of decision

I think his feeling is, if you screw up I'll fire you

"I like firing people"

Mitt Romney got in trouble for saying that

Donald Trump had a whole show about firing people

Of course it sucks being fired

and it's embarrassing

but if you don't do it--and Obama hardly ever fired anybody--you institutionalize incompetence

320Busdriver said...

Last night I tuned into the Rachel Maddow show on msnbc just for the comedic value. She did not disappoint. I would describe her as spastic and apoplectic.

I don't think she survives this.

Darrell said...

Let this be a year that we fire the Media.

Saint Croix said...

we learn best through failure

"successful people have more failures than failures do"

I saw that in Forbes once, always remembered it

I think they're talking about entrepreneurs and people who start businesses

which is what grows an economy, the start-up mentality

people who take risks, who fail, who keep trying

California used to be great at venture capital investing

Obama did huge damage to that industry

Maybe Trump can free up the VCs again

Here's why Trump will be great for Uber

(I love Uber, beautiful socialist-destroying company!)

Larry J said...

The more they protest, the more confident I am in my vote for Trump.

Saint Croix said...

my concern with the media is that people will get so hostile to them

the free speech clause will suffer

I do not think Trump is a fan of free speech

do not give him opportunities to negate free speech

the media companies in particular ought to be thinking about this, because it's their financial empires that he wants to hit

maybe you ought to go the boring-but-serious route for a bit

take the ratings hit, but reestablish your credibility

or you could implode, and take the free speech clause with you

idiots!

Unknown said...

"People didn't give Hitler or Mussolini enough of a chance, either."

Yeah, if the Germans would've freaked out a bit, maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. By the time they did freak out, they were too scared to do anything, people denouncing each other, even children being taught to report disloyalty of Hitler to their Hitler Youth Group Leader. If we start seeing Trump Youth Groups, it's too late. Meanwhile the underground is organizing itself.

Lucien said...

Trump was the first businessman ever to turn the interview process into a profit center -- but where's the love?

Saint Croix said...

another idea is to hire some right-wing loud mouths and let them yell on the airwaves too

that will protect you as well

be smart

Saint Croix said...

give Newt a show

Saint Croix said...

People didn't give Hitler or Mussolini enough of a chance, either.

Hitler and his Jewish daughter

and his Jewish son-in-law

boy that's a bad sitcom

Saint Croix said...

if you're worried about national or international socialism getting out of hand

stop being socialists

mccullough said...

The media are in disarray. They need a transition team to put in new people into their own jobs.

mockturtle said...

St Croix suggests: give Newt a show

I'm hoping he'll be Secretary of State.

rcocean said...

Does anyone with a brain actually care that "Trumps transition team is in chaos"?

Trump ISN'T THE POTUS.

He won't be President until over 2 months from now. As long as his team is in place on Jan 21st, he can have as much "chaos" as he wants.

'cause it don't matter.

rcocean said...

I'm still hoping for Ann Coulter as press secretary.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Yeah, if the Germans would've freaked out a bit, maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. By the time they did freak out, they were too scared to do anything, people denouncing each other, even children being taught to report disloyalty of Hitler to their Hitler Youth Group Leader. If we start seeing Trump Youth Groups, it's too late.

Republicans: The slowly boiled frogs of democracy.

mockturtle said...

Darrell proposes: Let this be a year that we fire the Media.

I'll second that motion! I've fired them already.

Rhythm and Balls said...

People didn't give Hitler or Mussolini enough of a chance, either.

Hitler and his Jewish daughter

and his Jewish son-in-law

boy that's a bad sitcom


Lol, maybe so.

But don't forget how haunted Hitler was by his rumored illegitimate Jewish grandfathering.

And he was of course pretty kind to his family doctor.

Rhythm and Balls said...

if you're worried about national or international socialism getting out of hand

stop being socialists


Right.

Only in the mass denialism of right-wing land do banking conglomerates and transnational corporations translate into "socialists".

M Jordan said...

Trump.

What else do I have to say?

Jupiter said...

"I've been advising anti-Trumpers to resist over-emotionalism, to be respectful, and to wait for specific policy proposals to object to and protest."

I would advise them to sell everything they own for whatever they can get for it and flee. Or just flee.

Fabi said...

The lefties went Godwin in less than ten comments!

Rhythm and Balls said...

The lefties went Godwin in less than ten comments!

Ivana (Ivanka's mom) beat us to it:

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

"Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?" I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. "Who told you that?"

"I don't remember," I said.

"Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he's a Jew." ("I did give him a book about Hitler," Marty Davis said. "But it was My New Order, Hitler's speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I'm not Jewish.")

Later, Trump returned to this subject. "If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."


Tell us again about Bannon's thoughts on a racially inclusive society.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-big-tent-approach-to-treating-our-food-the-right-way/article/2005236

Rhythm and Balls said...

Actually, this one: http://www.weeklystandard.com/vanity-fair-trump-kept-a-volume-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bedside/article/2001343

mockturtle said...

R&B, you're going to wear yourself out. Drink some warm milk and go to bed.

Rhythm and Balls said...

You can never wear yourself out documenting where the right-wing goes wrong, turtleneck. Unless one lives in a monastery, it's an endless and unavoidable series of observations.

Fabi said...

I didn't know Ivana was on this thread.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Warm milk sounds good, actually.

Maybe you could sing me a lullaby, too. ;-)

Owen said...

Rhythm and Balls: I am puzzled. Is there something wrong with reading Hitler? What about Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot? Isn't there a legitimate basis for studying how these horrible people thought, how they expressed themselves, how they seduced audiences?

Isn't it a bit cartoonish to throw out the scraps as you do, like chum in the water, not quite stating why (if it's even true) reading this book = Hitler = evil? And how exactly does Bannon figure into this?

On the other hand, thanks for giving us a close-up of Smear 101.

Rhythm and Balls said...

I didn't know Ivana was on this thread.

Oh. I didn't realize she was on the list of censored sources.

Rick said...

people denouncing each other, even children being taught to report disloyalty of Hitler to their Hitler Youth Group Leader.

Sounds like our college campuses. Reforming academia should be a high priority but calling them Nazis seems extreme.

rhhardin said...

They're not trying to win. They're trying to make the rules inoperative.

It's a war against American rules.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Rhythm and Balls: I am puzzled. Is there something wrong with reading Hitler? What about Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot? Isn't there a legitimate basis for studying how these horrible people thought, how they expressed themselves, how they seduced audiences?

Right. The man who said Mexicans are criminals and rapists (apart from the "some" who, we're told to assume, are "good people") was reading Hitler for serious study, rather than for tips on political speechmaking.

That explains the guy's hesitant reaction and dishonest reaction. Right. Just offhand interest in the ways of history.

See, you raise a good point and a fair objection. But then there's this huge problem: The guy's entire political approach (birtherism and a campaign kicked-off on clear castigation of ethnic groups - Mexicans - combined with economic nationalism).

Where have we seen this before?

What other politicians build their movements this way?

Rhythm and Balls said...

"people denouncing each other, even children being taught to report disloyalty of Hitler to their Hitler Youth Group Leader."

Sounds like our college campuses.


RIck - college campuses don't load you up into cattle cars, deport you, or worse. Sure, access to them might be limited. But that's only because you failed the entrance exams.

Reforming academia should be a high priority but calling them Nazis seems extreme.

Lol. The hypocrisy in this statement is intense. I wonder who else wanted to control academia... had mass burning of books, even. I wonder.

traditionalguy said...

Sources at CNN say Trump gets confused and orders Schweinebratten, Bratwurst and Wiener Schnitzel at the Steak House after he has spent the day practicing Hitler's style of rally speaking.

And they also say no one can prove their story is false. It's Free Speech!

Unknown said...

Send the elite academians to "work camps". Hard work will cure them of the "liberal".

MikeD said...

Professor, the most fun with your blog is all the commenters who, intuitively, seem to know what you're underlying message is & then argue w/those whose intuition is different. I should, but won't, use the Twitchy popcorn guy for my "avatar".
Keep up the good work, I think there's a phrase/whatever out there; the more people you piss off, the better job you're doing!

tcrosse said...

Rhythm and balls
Put on your brown shirt and beat up some old while people, you crypto-nazi,
I despise your pathetic hate,

Rhythm and Balls said...

Keep up the good work, I think there's a phrase/whatever out there; the more people you piss off, the better job you're doing!

True. And here's someone who undoubtedly agrees!

Comanche Voter said...

Can't I just eat my T Bone diner?

Rhythm and Balls said...

Fighting for an entire "while" (white?) race you perceive to be under siege, are you, tcrosse?

This guy saw things the same way!

Congratulations! It must be nice to know you're not the only one.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Some people just want to make their country great, again. Why do they have to get all the grief?

bgates said...

(birtherism and a campaign kicked-off on clear castigation of ethnic groups - Mexicans - combined with economic nationalism).

Where have we seen this before?


Well, if you're alluding to someone who launched a poorly planned war on Libya that ended up hurting Italy and who preached strength through unity,

we won't have to worry about her since Trump beat her last week.

bgates said...

Some people just want to make their country great, again.

Like Peter Beinart, editor at TNR and author of The Good Fight: Why Liberals---and Only Liberals---Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again (2006)

Unknown said...

That steak dinner issue is almost as scandalous as Senator Rubio owning a boat.

Drago said...

Unknown: "That steak dinner issue is almost as scandalous as Senator Rubio owning a boat."

Next thing you know, Trump might actually take a drink from a bottle of water during a speech.

There is no end to his perfidy.

Drago said...

Rhythm and Balls: "Fighting for an entire "while" (white?) race you perceive to be under siege, are you, tcrosse? This guy saw things the same way!"


I will not stand for this slander of Ralph Manheim!

Rhythm and Balls said...

Yep, bgates. If only that Libyan thing was to get Americans to scapegoat Italians. Or whatever it is you're saying.

And tell me where Beinert is advocating ethnic scapegoating.

After a while there are only so many other directions in which you can look.

Fabi said...

My comment referenced this thread, R&B. Continue to flip out as you will -- I'm entertained!

Drago said...

I have it on good authority that the phrase "Make America Great Again" is racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

It's also argued the phrase has negative aspects as well.

Rhythm and Balls said...

I have it on good authority that the phrase "Make America Great Again" is racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

It's also argued the phrase has negative aspects as well.


Sort of like, "Work makes one free!"

Drago said...

Rhythm and Balls: "Fighting for an entire "while" (white?) race you perceive to be under siege, are you, tcrosse? This guy saw things the same way!"'

Are you referencing the 5th guy from the left in the back row?

Drago said...

R&B: "Sort of like, "Work makes one free!"

That phrase certainly carries more weight in the original German.

Not Old, Middle or Early Modern High German of course.

Drago said...

R&B: "Sort of like, "Work makes one free!"

I was thinking more along the lines of "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!"

Rhythm and Balls said...

I was thinking more along the lines of "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!"

So, no unions?

I guess Trump is the only one who gets to fight for labor.

gadfly said...

SNL strikes again.

Michael K said...

R&B is going for the troll Oscar.

Go for it !

John and Ken tonight on their show in LA has an hour interview with a very interesting guy named Roger Stone who knows all that has gone on and was the guy Trump asked for his research on Bill and Hillary and Bill's sexual escapades. Trump used some of it after the bill Bush hit job. Very serious, interesting guy.

Drago said...

R&B: "So, no unions?"

Unions are not needed in the Peoples Paradise that Trump will usher in.

Elon Musk hardest hit.

damikesc said...

Meanwhile the underground is organizing itself.

And with the same far left groups it always is.

Perhaps it's time for serious investigations of Soros and whomever is behind ANSWER.

Right. The man who said Mexicans are criminals and rapists (apart from the "some" who, we're told to assume, are "good people") was reading Hitler for serious study, rather than for tips on political speechmaking.

In college, Hitler was one of my areas of study. I find the failure of things endlessly fascinating and the failure of Weimar and what it led to interested me greatly. I even saw Nazi propaganda in one of my courses to show the potential impact of it on a society. I didn't see how it could work as it seemed so over-the-top, but perhaps, because it was new, it worked.

I don't think Hitler has much to teach about leadership as his style is not one that works today. Much like Wilson's bullshit act wouldn't go far today, either.

RIck - college campuses don't load you up into cattle cars, deport you, or worse. Sure, access to them might be limited. But that's only because you failed the entrance exams.

But where did Nazism REALLY first take hold? On college campuses. Nazi youth groups were the vanguards. They and their faculty were very supportive of Nazis long before the public was. And the public was never THAT enamored with them. They were, in the eyes of many, the lesser of two evils (one can argue that they were. The other option were Communists who were no better). They wanted a sense of community and the Nazis seemed to provide that.

Send the elite academians to "work camps". Hard work will cure them of the "liberal".

Send them to the real world where results are expected and their theories won't have a bunch of impressionable imbeciles forced to play along. DePaul tried to arrest Ben Shapiro for talking there. That isn't what a group hoping to foster open dialogue and to force people to face different views would do.

Gabriel said...

@Rhythm and Balls:Hitler Hitler Hitler

Yeah, we know. Trump is Hitler. Romney was Hitler. McCain was Hitler. Bush was Hitler. Next one will be Hitler. They're all Hitlers and there's 60 million Nazis in the country. We know.

Not only does this not work any more--the election proved that--but it's boring.

Rhythm and Balls said...

In college, Hitler was one of my areas of study. I find the failure of things endlessly fascinating and the failure of Weimar and what it led to interested me greatly. I even saw Nazi propaganda in one of my courses to show the potential impact of it on a society. I didn't see how it could work as it seemed so over-the-top, but perhaps, because it was new, it worked.

I don't think Hitler has much to teach about leadership as his style is not one that works today. Much like Wilson's bullshit act wouldn't go far today, either.


All true. The current failure was Weimar to a T. Minus the reparations. Unless you count favors to China as reparations. But he did have much to teach about rhetoric and campaigning.

"RIck - college campuses don't load you up into cattle cars, deport you, or worse. Sure, access to them might be limited. But that's only because you failed the entrance exams."

But where did Nazism REALLY first take hold? On college campuses. Nazi youth groups were the vanguards. They and their faculty were very supportive of Nazis long before the public was. And the public was never THAT enamored with them. They were, in the eyes of many, the lesser of two evils (one can argue that they were. The other option were Communists who were no better). They wanted a sense of community and the Nazis seemed to provide that.


I think Milo Yannapoulis is working on that one.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Yeah, we know. Trump is Hitler. Romney was Hitler. McCain was Hitler. Bush was Hitler. Next one will be Hitler. They're all Hitlers and there's 60 million Nazis in the country. We know.

Not only does this not work any more--the election proved that--but it's boring.


Oh, so you're BORED now? Well FUCK YOU! You just hired a reality tv star. Hope he entertains you! Make sure his hair looks good on camera. We shall overcomb. What kind of a dumbass thinks that an Entertainer-in-Chief is the way to go? Someone who doesn't live a real life.

You know what's really boring? Learning about Hitler. Or the Holocaust. Or science. Or facts. Or any of the things that keep America from becoming a third-world country.

Drago said...

R&B: "I think Milo Yannapoulis is working on that one."

You should love Milo as he is one of the most unabashed defenders of western civilization and it's values that one is going to find and, lets recall, that mirrors much of what you've written on this board in past.

In fact, one of your more interesting critiques of other posters here was grounded on (your assertion) their apparent lack of understanding of this history.

mockturtle said...

damikesc said: But where did Nazism REALLY first take hold? On college campuses. Nazi youth groups were the vanguards.

Just like the Red Guards in the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Have students ever been the vanguard of anything good?

Drago said...

R&B: "Make sure his hair looks good on camera."

It is critically important to always look your best.

Drago said...

mockturtle: "Have students ever been the vanguard of anything good?"

I must admit that one particular schools absolutely fabulous "get drunk for breakfast" on gameday is something worth studying.

Drago said...

damikesc: "But where did Nazism REALLY first take hold?"

Whereever early humans began to band together in tribes.

Rhythm and Balls said...

You should love Milo as he is one of the most unabashed defenders of western civilization and it's values that one is going to find and, lets recall, that mirrors much of what you've written on this board in past.

In fact, one of your more interesting critiques of other posters here was grounded on (your assertion) their apparent lack of understanding of this history.


It's all lip service, though. He's glib. He's quick-witted, but is basically a cheerleader for the West. Don't get me wrong; I don't mind that. But we've taken a lot of detours and U-turns over a few thousand years. Those must be studied, also. The guy serves his purpose, and that's fine. But he acknowledges that he's an intentional bombast. A bomb-thrower. Again, fine as far as it goes because the SJWs are all more or less moronic bomb-throwers. But both sides need intelligent honest decent thinkers. He's performing a needed role, but you have to realize that unabashed overconfidence is part of his act. An act that, if it's to be successful, requires others in a more responsible role than the one he prefers to play.

Rhythm and Balls said...

I might not "love" Milo, but I appreciate about 65% of what he's doing.

He's young. Some day he'll learn that being able to mop the floor with one's enemies comes at the price of overestimating the righteousness of one's cause. His cause is a good one, but anything can be taken too far. Anything. There is no virtue in hubris.

CWJ said...

Annnd he's back.

Big Mike said...

I've been advising anti-Trumpers to resist over-emotionalism, to be respectful, and to wait for specific policy proposals to object to and protest.

Sound advice, Althouse, but they aren't going to take it. If everything is objectionable, then to a fair observer it makes sense that nothing is really objectionable.

Alex said...

R&B - good you admit Milo's POWER!!

Also keep calling us racists, it's working out so well for you. Especially for Democrats in Wisconsin.

Mac McConnell said...

The Democrats haven't been this pissed off since we freed their slaves.

Lydia said...

But where did Nazism REALLY first take hold? On college campuses. Nazi youth groups were the vanguards.

No, it was among the peasants in Protestant rural areas. Read this analysis of the voting patterns in the years that brought Hitler to power.

mockturtle said...

Lydia, this doesn't quite agree with the information reported in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, in which I place more trust than in your spurious document.

Lydia said...

Spurious, why? Because you've never heard of the historian who wrote the article?

BN said...

"I've been advising anti-Trumpers to resist over-emotionalism..."

Uh, have you also been advising white folk not to look so pale?

Drago said...

Alex (to R&B): "Also keep calling us racists, it's working out so well for you. Especially for Democrats in Wisconsin."

R&B is just busting our balls.

Think of it as his Trump-like opening gambit in our on-going Althouse-based rhetorical "negotiations".

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Michael Fitzgerald said...

ADDED: Here's the headline at NBC News, which I found very funny: "As Trump Leaves Press Behind for Steak Dinner, Incoming Admin Already Showing Lack of Transparency."

You know who really shows a lack of transparency- the democrat party media.

BJM said...

Have you seen the latest nuttiness? A hashtag boycott list of companies doing business with the Trumps. Ivanka seems to be the focus of the organizer's ire. Shoesdotcom tweeted that they were in and were pulling Ivanka's line of products...then their tweets vanished.

Yeah, putting working class voters, who gave Trump the winning margin, out of work is just the ticket.

cyrus83 said...

This problem has been getting worse. This is now the third straight presidential win by a Republican greeted by a noted inability to accept the results. In 2000 at least Gore accepted the results once the Court fight was done, though many persisted in considering that election stolen right through until 2004. And then in 2004, the legitimacy of Ohio's vote was called into question despite a relatively decent margin. Now in 2016 there are calls for the Electors to disregard the will of the voters and violence is called for against Trump by at least some. Is the next Republican win going to lead to calls for outright civil war?

The attitudes in some way parallel the election of 1860 and the refusal of the South to even let Lincoln take office before doing something hot-headed and stupid like secession. The irony for the South is that had they had faith in the Constitutional procedures in place, there was no logical reason for them to do anything - they had enough states to block any amendment barring slavery then and still would today. They just couldn't accept THAT man as President, and destroyed themselves over it.

jaydub said...

I love the smell of R&B combusting in the morning. It smells like....victory!

Achilles said...

Rhythm and Balls said...

See, you raise a good point and a fair objection. But then there's this huge problem: The guy's entire political approach (birtherism and a campaign kicked-off on clear castigation of ethnic groups - Mexicans - combined with economic nationalism).

Where have we seen this before?

What other politicians build their movements this way?


Obama did.

College campuses are overrun by trigglypuffs who attack and shout down people who disagree with them.

Obama also moved us strongly towards corporatism. Hitler didn't take over the means of production. He just teamed up with certain big corporations and removed their competition creating the fascist economy where the state controlled production without owning it. Dodd-Frank caused unprecedented consolidation in the banking industry with the big 5 sucking up the assets of large numbers of small local banks for example.

Let us not forget the weaponization of the federal bureaucracy either. The IRS and EPA in particular were sent after his political enemies.

And as a white male I am tired of people telling me how racist I am. It gets old. Trump is not Hitler. I am not a Nazi. This is othering. Obama turned me into the other. The media is still treating us like the other. College campuses treat us like the other.

People are running around waving Mexican flags and burning stuff. I know a lot of people from Mexico. They left Mexico because it is a shithole. They don't want the US to turn into Mexico. Not wanting the US to become Mexico is not racist.

Achilles said...

Rhythm and Balls said...
I might not "love" Milo, but I appreciate about 65% of what he's doing.

He's young. Some day he'll learn that being able to mop the floor with one's enemies comes at the price of overestimating the righteousness of one's cause. His cause is a good one, but anything can be taken too far. Anything. There is no virtue in hubris.


So maybe calling Trump and his supporters Nazi's fits here somewhere?

By the way he just kicked Christy out for staffing up with lobbyists and Rogers got the boot in that purge. Can't we say the purge of the parasites and cronies in DC is more like 80% agreement? It is the first step no matter what you might disagree on policy wise.

Rusty said...

"If we start seeing Trump Youth Groups, it's too late."

Just chill. It will never get that far. Unless you enjoy working yourself up over this election you have noting to fear unless you're here illegally.



"Where have we seen this before?"

What do we have here that Germany didn't have in 1934?


Bad Lieutenant said...

Rhythm and Balls said...
I didn't know Ivana was on this thread.

Oh. I didn't realize she was on the list of censored sources.
11/16/16, 7:55 PM

No, but "But what about the Dingell-Norwood bill?" If that's your kill shot, then have at it, just like before. Because that worked so well!

Usually in the movies where the bullets bounce off of the monster, eventually, they stop trying to shoot the monster. But you go ahead. Like Leslie Nielsen in Creepshow II, yelling "I can hold my breath a long, long time!" as the tide rolls in.

Like Jonathan Pie said, your shit isn't working anymore! Please, everybody would love it if you upped your game.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Blogger Rusty said...
"If we start seeing Trump Youth Groups, it's too late."

Just chill. It will never get that far. Unless you enjoy working yourself up over this election you have noting to fear unless you're here illegally.



"Where have we seen this before?"

What do we have here that Germany didn't have in 1934?


11/17/16, 6:56 AM

On Jeopardy you have to answer in the form of a question, so:

What is "a rifle behind every blade of grass," Alex?

Rick said...

Rusty said...
[about]"If we start seeing Trump Youth Groups, it's too late."

Just chill. It will never get that far.



Indeed we've been far closer without being close.

Celebrities Pledge to Serve Obama

Some people just can't come to grips with the mundane nature of modern life so they invent a fantasy where they can play hero.

Bad Lieutenant said...

R&B,

Reforming academia should be a high priority but calling them Nazis seems extreme.

Lol. The hypocrisy in this statement is intense. I wonder who else wanted to control academia... had mass burning of books, even. I wonder.
11/16/16, 8:02 PM


Aside from the usual shit-slinging from you, which don't get me wrong we all know and love,◐.̃◐ maybe this can be a teachable moment. "you" think "we're" 1932 Germany, that President Trump is Hitler, and we are somewhere between the future Totenkopf and the regular old "good Germans." with a few White Rose types which doubtless will be all you.

Well old buddy, in "our" minds, which you can respect and empathize as much or as little as you wish,

we just beat Stalin, Big Brother and Ellsworth Toohey all in one. We saved the Republic.

So we feel pretty good about that.

Think it over and tell us what shit we are.

Any book given to one by anyone, especially a friend, is legitimate to read. No point in your whole deal here, just drop it (advice not orders).

Bad Lieutenant said...

Donald John Trump, mmm mmm mmm

The oceans will stop falling and rise again, after all BHO's hard work and results

The Orangeworker

Office of the President Elect

Slurpees? somebody gotta rework the Slurpee - car - ditch - push - can't drive speeches.

If you want to prove a reaction just such as Patriotic Protective Leagues, by all means, again, curse out his children in the street, keep on breaking glass, block more ambulances. Worked well for Christie!

Clyde said...

There's a concept called "creative destruction." That may look like disorder to those on the outside.

Rusty said...


11/17/16, 6:56 AM

On Jeopardy you have to answer in the form of a question, so:

What is "a rifle behind every blade of grass," Alex?

And the winner is......Bad Lieutenant!
Some blogger has an instructional thread on how to buy a gun for liberals. Of course if they hadn't actively tried to undermine the 2ndA over the years they'd have an easier time, but there are always safety pins.

Peter said...

"People didn't give Hitler or Mussolini enough of a chance, either."

Because, it's always 1933 and the Reichstag is about to burn. Therefore Trump may be, must be, opposed by any means necessary ?

The Nazi electoral victory was followed by Brownshirts marching in the streets, intimidating (and beating where necessary) anyone who'd opposed them. BUT it's not Trump supporters we see marching in the streets, is it?

Does the Left have no introspection at all? Does it not remember how much political violence began by de-legitimizing and dehumanizing the opposition? After all, if your opposition is Nazi/alt-right then anything you do is fully justified, isn't it?

Sigivald said...

NBC, perhaps, confuses "transparency" - something I don't recall them lamenting a lack of these past 8 years - with "being buddy-buddy with the press".

Something I prefer - the lack, that is - from any Administration, but only get from Republicans.

Because the press loves Democrats.

William Chadwick said...

Limbaugh has a point. I was lukewarm about the prospect of a Trump presidency, and only wanted him to win in order to send the Alinskyite Witch back to Chappaqua. But in the last months of the election, when it was clear Trump was so feared and loathed by the statist Hive (to use Joseph Sobran's metaphor) that they were going nuts and even resurrecting the little-girl-nuked ad from the 1964 presidential election, I got more and more excited by the idea of Trump putting the boots to that bunch of scum. Trump, you magnificent bastard, you did it!

mockturtle said...

Did the press presume that Trump would buy them dinner?