October 28, 2016

"Could Trump Be Impeached Shortly After He Takes Office?/It's highly improbable, but law scholars and political junkies are speculating about it."

Oh, that's just something from last April, in Politico. It popped up first when I Googled "impeaching before elected" after reading the breaking news: "F.B.I. Reviewing New Emails in Hillary Clinton Case":
The F.B.I. said Friday that it had uncovered new emails related to the closed investigation into whether Hillary Clinton or her aides had mishandled classified information, potentially reigniting an issue that has weighed on the presidential campaign and offering a lifeline to Donald J. Trump less than two weeks before the election.

In a letter to Congress, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that emails had surfaced in an unrelated case, and that they “appear to be pertinent to the investigation.”

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was taking steps to “determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.” He said he did not know how long it would take to review the emails, or whether the new information was significant.
And here's the article I was looking for with that Google search, Andrew McCarthy in The National Review: "Impeach Clinton to Bar Her from Holding Federal Office. It’s Constitutional."

ADDED: "New Emails in Clinton Case Came From Anthony Weiner’s Electronic Devices."
Federal law enforcement officials said Friday that the new emails uncovered in the closed investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server were discovered after the F.B.I. seized electronic devices belonging to Huma Abedin, a top aide to Mrs. Clinton, and her husband, Anthony Weiner. The F.B.I. is investigating illicit text messages that Mr. Weiner sent to a 15-year-old girl in North Carolina....
This is one of these Friday afternoons.

AND: That last link goes to the NYT where the top-rated (by far) comment is: "And with one strangely opaque and noncommittal letter James Comey puts his thumb on the scales of the presidential election with 11 days to go. Truly this is a never ending nightmare."

ALSO: I removed the link on "F.B.I. Reviewing New Emails in Hillary Clinton Case" because it's gone dead. The material that was at the link is now at "New Emails in Clinton Case Came From Anthony Weiner’s Electronic Devices" (which is in the "ADDED" section above).

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madAsHell said...

October surprise!!

madAsHell said...

I have to believe there will be some unfortunate accidents.

Birkel said...

Unless all of the people previously given immunity lose that immunity because they have not been truthful, you will know this is a ruse to fool the voters.

Henry said...

Could they both be impeached? And their running mates too?

Static Ping said...

Technically, Congress can impeach and remove a President for pretty much any reason. "High crimes and misdemeanors" can mean pretty much anything and there is no way to appeal. The only bar against it is public opinion and tradition. Frankly, if the Supreme Court actually tried to intervene, which Nixon v. United States ruled they cannot, there is the strong risk that Congress will simply impeach and remove the justices and then impeach and remove the President again, if necessary. Anything that would cause Congress to be that bipartisan and take that sort of political risk would ruin the Supreme Court completely.

So, sure, why not. One of the things that I prefer about Trump over Clinton is that Trump is disliked by both parties and it would be a lot easier to get rid of him if he got out of hand. Trump jokes about the concept that he could murder someone and still be supported. Politically, I think that assessment is more accurate about Clinton.

dreams said...

We might have a newly elected president indicted, crooked Hillary.

David said...

Can she be impeached? Of course.

Should she? No.

Impeachment is a combination of a legal and political remedy. If we elect Hilary Clinton President knowing of her conduct, a political decision has already been made by the voters. This is not an absolute bar to impeachment. The Congress could make another political-legal decision to impeach her and see if they get a conviction. But while they could do this, it would mean overturning a political decision by the voters to elect her despite her past actions.

If something new comes up, the elected politicians could have at it. But in my opinion they should act only if there is a new violation in a new category. Impeachment should not be a rehash of election results, however distasteful they may be.

(I plan to vote for Trump, by the way.)

dreams said...

Except I don't think Hillary is going to get elected.

StephenFearby said...

The House might easily impeach by majority vote. But, since 2/3rds of the Senate must vote to convict, impeachment would be largely an empty gesture. The left (in the form of Democratic Party senators) would be very unlikely disposed to convict one of their own.

So it's just (even more) political dross.

Lyle Smith said...

Delenda est the Clintons.

mockturtle said...

Unless all of the people previously given immunity lose that immunity because they have not been truthful, you will know this is a ruse to fool the voters.

A ruse is a ruse is a ruse.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If you buy that argument, why should impeachment be limited to current or former officials? Why not impeach Meade for his conduct during the 2011 Wisconsin recall election and bar him from ever holding public office?

dreams said...

I have to say the media is covering the new FBI investigation, a lot of it on CNBC.

cubanbob said...

David said...
Can she be impeached? Of course.

Should she? No.

Impeachment is a combination of a legal and political remedy. If we elect Hilary Clinton President knowing of her conduct, a political decision has already been made by the voters. This is not an absolute bar to impeachment. The Congress could make another political-legal decision to impeach her and see if they get a conviction. But while they could do this, it would mean overturning a political decision by the voters to elect her despite her past actions."

Getting elected doesn't confer immunity from criminal prosecution. As for impeachment, obstruction of justice, misprision of felony and the rest of the conspiracy of attempted silence to prevent timely disclosure to the voters also doesn't legitimize a fraudulently won election by way of deception so the least harsh punishment for Clinton an impeachment and removal would be perfectly within the bounds of causation for removal. Or would you prefer that after she is elected that a Special Prosecutor indict her and convict her?

Nonapod said...

this is a ruse to fool the voters.

Fool the e voters into believing... what, exactly?

Real American said...

The Democrat Party will put up with any level of criminality when it comes to the Clinton Crime Family (and most other Democrats). They'd never vote to convict in the Senate under any circumstances.

Bruce Hayden said...

Conspiracy theorists going bonkers now. How does this tie with Wikileaks? To take our eyes off some of the recent pay-to-play revelations? Or is this the result of relations in revenge for Crooked Hillary and Obama claiming the Ruskies were behind it? Was this intentionally buried on a Friday? But why not wait until after the election, as they did with Nixon and Watergate? Should be interesting.

buwaya said...

You are skating very close to the edge of a constitutional crisis.
In several ways.

Nonapod said...

Not Wikileaks, this is all Carlos Danger's fault...

Dude1394 said...

Pretty funny they are speculating about impeaching Trump for........errr............uhhh.............

Well nothing.

On the other hand we have a proven crook about to be elected. I am starting to understand how Marion Barry got re-elected, he was a democrat.

viator said...

James Comey and FBI reopens Clinton email probe....

In the latest stunning revelation in today's saga involving the FBI's second probe, moments ago the NYT reported that the new emails uncovered in the closed investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server were discovered after the F.B.I. seized electronic devices belonging to Huma Abedin and her husband, Anthony Weiner.

The F.B.I. told Congress that it had uncovered new emails related to the closed investigation into whether Mrs. Clinton or her aides had mishandled classified information.

Weiner’s weiner penetrates the Hillary campaign.

Dave said...

Wait...someone thinks the election might be....rigged?????

MadisonMan said...

Truly this is a never ending nightmare

Self-inflicted, too.

This being the Clintons, I'm sure it's not what it seems. That's their (crime) Family Motto, after all.

Michael K said...

I'm starting to think Comey may have believed that his revelations would be enough to get her to drop out before. Now, may be he is getting enough heat from present and former agents, that he has decided to drop another shoe.

It certainly is interesting.

dreams said...

"Fool the e voters into believing... what, exactly?"

That the FBI checked it out and found nothing to it. All is ok, so go on and vote for crooked Hillary.

JPS said...

I'm feeling a little queasy about this.

Whatever is about to drop must be bad. Really bad.

Comey already faced a lot of really hard-to-deny intent and declared no sane prosecutor would indict because there was no clear intent.

I believe Comey refused to recommend indictment because he was convinced (and probably took some convincing) that by the time the Clintons were done defending themselves they would destroy the Bureau's good name: just taking sides in an election.

So what would persuade him to change his mind? It can't be more classified e-mails. He already laid that out: Eight TS threads including SAP. It can't be intent. I'm guessing it's either undeniable evidence of actual damage done, as opposed to "potentially grave damage," or someone saying "We will release this hugely, not-just-potentially, damaging information unless you proceed."

I'd like to think it's underlings saying, Let us do our job or a hundred of us resign and hold a press conference. Good luck papering that over. Precisely because I'd like to believe that, I'm skeptical.

Hagar said...

What we are looking at here is not an election, but a war between ideologies.
Neither Party is going to allow its candidate to be convicted in an impeachment proceeding regardless of charges and evidence, unless the impeaching Party has 67 Senators.

traditionalguy said...

The stone walling MO historically uses an FBI investigation to delay public disclosure. Congressional subpoenas and news reporters can be refused to see the new material, " ...because of the ongoing FBI Investigation."

And then if Trump wins and keeps the Senate, the FBI can make a separate peace with the Trump guys by really investigating Killery's High Crimes.

buwaya said...

"What we are looking at here is not an election, but a war between ideologies."

A war, certainly.
But not between ideologies, between tribes.
Ideologies in both cases are banners of convenience.

Hagar said...

"I try to be cynical, but I can't keep up!"
Lily Tomlin.

Rocketeer said...

"New Emails in Clinton Case Came From Anthony Weiner’s Electronic Devices."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Oh, whew. Heh.

Let me read that again.


HOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Gusty Winds said...

And people think Trump is crazy...

I'll bet the Clinton Machine wishes they would have taken out Carlos Danger a few years ago.

dreams said...

As this FBI story was unfolding, I heard Hillary tell the sad story of a poor woman who after having a baby was fired. Hillary wants to fight for the women, she can't fight for the women and children in prison.

Hagar said...

Progressives are fundamentally totalitarians, and it is an ideology, not a tribe.

Nonapod said...

Comey may have believed that his revelations would be enough to get her to drop out before.

If that's the case than Comey is an even bigger moron than I thought. What, in all of their long and sordid history, would lead a person to believe that the Clinton's could be shamed into anything? They've gotten away with so much for so long, why would you expect their behavior would suddenly change?

Gusty Winds said...

Rocketeer said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Oh, whew. Heh....HOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know...four people just left my office and we were doing the same thing.

dreams said...

Obama might have to pardon her and shut down the investigation.

Nonapod said...

Could this be it? Could this finally, FINALLY, be the beginning of the end for Hillary?

Or are we collectively all just Charlie Brown's to the Democrats/MSMs/Clinton's Lucie with the football?

grackle said...

I have to say the media is covering the new FBI investigation, a lot of it on CNBC.

At a certain point they have no choice.

cubanbob said...

Bruce Hayden said...
Conspiracy theorists going bonkers now. How does this tie with Wikileaks? To take our eyes off some of the recent pay-to-play revelations? Or is this the result of relations in revenge for Crooked Hillary and Obama claiming the Ruskies were behind it? Was this intentionally buried on a Friday? But why not wait until after the election, as they did with Nixon and Watergate? Should be interesting."

If Hillary was only as honorable and intelligent and competent as Nixon one might hold the nose so to speak. She doesn't even rate that. She is way worse. And Obama is up to his neck in it as well. That's probably why Comey gave Clinton a walk. Indeed the spectacle of a former president (Bill) and his wife the secretary of state running running a multi-hundred million dollar scam ( part of it with government funds) with the knowledge and blessing of the sitting president (Obama) and the AG's (Holder and Lynch) along with a number of high ranking officials makes Nixon's antics look like a shoplifted candy bar to a heist at Fort Knox. I got to give the Clinton's credit, they sure are bold and brazen.

Yancey Ward said...

If the bit about seizing Huma Abedin's electronic devices in the Weiner investigation is true, this could be a killing blow to Clinton, even if she is elected in 11 days. It really is hard to explain why Comey would write such a letter to Congress this close to the election if this were nothing but a trivial matter. It is quite possible his own agents have forced his hand here.

I have long been of the opinion that Clinton, her aides and lawyers were involved in making sure all electronic records of her server's e-mails were deleted and scrubbed so that the only record of her conduct as SoS would be the printed versions they were content to have seen- otherwise, why provide only the printed copies? There really is no rational reason to proceed in that manner unless it really is nefarious. It is quite likely her aides were directly questioned on this matter, and I cannot imagine any of them said anything other than there was no such attempt. Can one confidently believe Abedin's electronic devices don't retain evidence of this activity?

traditionalguy said...

History Professor Gingrich is big on saying that the Clinton's success at corrupting the Justice Department and the FBI is a fatal blow to our Democracy.

Once there is no law enforcement system left, there is no authority left except Mao's old Barrel of a Gun.

The USSR guys would just take suspected people out and shoot them on orders from the Party/Stalin/Clinton.

Fabi said...

Anyone trusting the NYT about this coming because of Weiner's devices is going to be sadly schlonged by the WikiTruth.

cubanbob said...

dreams said...
Obama might have to pardon her and shut down the investigation."

He can't stop there. If he pardons Hillary he is going to have to pardon Bill and Chelsea (for sure she has stuff related to the foundation and possibly her husband) along with Holder, Lynch and a number of people in the his Administration and maybe himself. There spider's web of corruption here is probably large enough to fill a prison.

PB said...

If Hillary loses, Obama is going to be issuing a lot of pardons.

Yancey Ward said...

The NYTimes' headline is a bit at odds with the actual story as written. If there are relevant communications, they don't come from Anthony Weiner's electronic devices, they come from those of his wife.

Henry said...

My guess is that this goes nowhere. Comey hasn't "reopened" the case because cases aren't ever really "closed." The FBI will examine the three emails, classify them, and add them to the evidence of Clinton being "extremely careless."

Hagar said...

Dyed in the wool Progressives still believe Stalin and Mao were fundamentally good people who just went astray trying to deal with the difficulties placed in their paths by kulaks, Republicans, and other evil forces. The ideal society can still be reached without all that nasty killing.

Virgil Hilts said...

I had not previously understood why the FBI would take an interest in the Weiner sexting stuff. pretty low level crime, almost victim-less, and no actual nude photos. But. . . if the FBI investigated Weiner only as a pretext for getting at Huma's electronics. . . BRILLIANT!
I still think the FBI and DOJ are compromised but maybe there are still honest men and women from within staging a rebellion in the name of justice for all.

grackle said...

From the article:

Mr. Trump has fallen behind Mrs. Clinton in most national polls and in many key states. Polls have been tightening in recent days, however …

I predicted this late “trend” of the polls toward Trump on this very blog a few days ago. The closer to Nov 8, the more the professional pollsters will show a “trend” favorable to Trump. They have to be concerned with their reputations so they want to be able to say that THEY detected the “trend” JUST before the election.

They’ve done their due diligence fakery for the anti-Trump MSM; a lot of the early voting has already occurred under the false premise that Trump is losing the race. Trump has NEVER been losing the race.

The polls are used by the MSM to try to kill enthusiasm for Trump and other political figures in the past. They have been using the polls in this manner for several cycles. And the pollsters have complied – using voting patterns from the two Obama campaigns to design their polls, voting patterns that are irrelevant to this campaign but that would favor Clinton. For example, Clinton cannot hope to duplicate Obama’s popularity among voters of color. The oversampling of Democrats is impossible to hide so they make no secret of it and act as if it is standard procedure. What further statistical chicanery is happening behind the scenes we can only speculate about.

The universities, newspapers, superpacs, think tanks and cable news have no skin in the game. If the latest FoxNews poll proves to be wildly inaccurate come the actual election FoxNews will suffer no ill effects. FoxNews will not suffer a loss of viewers, no internal investigation on why the polls was so wrong, no loss of prestige, no one fired, no pollster dropped from their network. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. FoxNews has no incentive to be accurate in their polls. The same goes for the other entities listed above.

But the professional pollsters have their reps to guard. They live or die on accuracy. So … one by one they will “detect” a “trend” favorable to Trump before Nov 8. After Trump’s landslide victory they will say(paraphrasing), “There was a truly unprecedented seismic shift of MILLIONS of voters over to Trump just before the election and that explains Trump’s landslide victory. But we, the really, really good pollsters, spotted that trend.”

More at the URL below:

http://tinyurl.com/zu6euts

David Begley said...

Carlos Danger saves the day.

David Begley said...

Imagine the conversation between Huma and Hillary today.

Lyle Smith said...

Huma may need to be put on suicide watch.

Rocketeer said...

The FBI will examine the three emails, classify them, and add them to the evidence of Clinton being "extremely careless."

Where on earth are you getting that it is only three emails?

mccullough said...

Maybe Weiner is a Russian spy.

grackle said...

Something else from Politico. Once again, that rascal Trump is found to be prophetic.

… Trump continued. "I don't like Huma going home at night and telling Anthony Weiner all of these secrets."

http://tinyurl.com/z53rmcs

Yancey Ward said...

"Huma may need to be put on suicide watch."

You never know when a window will sneak up on your ass and out you go.

viator said...

"Here's how you get him. He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way!"

Elliot Ness (played by Kevin Costner) in "The Untouchables" as misquoted by Barack Obama.

"Dice are rolling, the knives are out
Would be presidents are all around..."

traditionalguy said...

Trump will never be impeached. He is too large a personality to ever be anyone's scapegoat.

Like JFK, the CIA will have to shoot him.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

If these emails turn out to be duplicates of ones already handed over to the FBI, then it is a big nothing-burger.

If they are ones that weren't previously turned over, but should have been because they were work related and from Clinton's server, then Clinton should face consequences for deleting them rather than turning them over.

More interestingly, they could be discussions between Clinton and Huma about how to handle the FOIA request, or the email scandal, or some such, and outline some form of cover-up/obstruction.

Matt said...

Yesterday Republicans were saying the system was rigged. Today [FBI news] the Democrats are saying the system is rigged. The rollercoaster we call an election continues. Taking a long view I don't think the emails will have much significance to the election. Trump will get a bump but he has one long road to win. We'll see.

John Constantius said...

I do wonder whether FBI rank and file might be driving this. The typical Washington bureaucrat is left-wing and supports the Democrats, but FBI at the agent level are often ex-military or ex-police and thus likely to lean right. Inside the beltway types might shrug it off as "she may be scum, but she's our scum", but the FBI at the working level may be pushing to bring this corrupt sleaze bag down.

Virgil Hilts said...

Maybe this is Russia playing the long game. Access the Weiners' electronics and star moving all of the previously hacked (fabricated!) emails on to them. Recruit a vixen / honey trap to start a lengthy exchange with AW. Make sure AW is caught and make sure that the bad communications number in the thousands so that the FBI has a motive to investigate.

wendybar said...

dreams said...
As this FBI story was unfolding, I heard Hillary tell the sad story of a poor woman who after having a baby was fired. Hillary wants to fight for the women, she can't fight for the women and children in prison.


The lady from Planned Parenthood was right behind Hillary when she said that story....maybe Hillary would have been happier if the lady in her story aborted said baby....more body parts for planned parenthood to sell, and more money for the Clinton Foundation!!

dreams said...

Obama might have to shut the whole investigation down to prevent the Russians from influencing our election.

wendybar said...

Virgil Hilts said...
I had not previously understood why the FBI would take an interest in the Weiner sexting stuff. pretty low level crime, almost victim-less, and no actual nude photos. But. . . if the FBI investigated Weiner only as a pretext for getting at Huma's electronics. . . BRILLIANT!


He was sexting a 15 year old....

irishguard said...

hahaha....how delicious the irony, both Clintons might have the house vote to impeach......simply delicious.

wendybar said...

grackle said...
Something else from Politico. Once again, that rascal Trump is found to be prophetic.

… Trump continued. "I don't like Huma going home at night and telling Anthony Weiner all of these secrets."


I'm more afraid of her, telling her Muslim brotherhood family (mother, father, siblings...look it up)

John Constantius said...

Viator, I think the quote is actually Jimmy Malone (Sean Connery) to Elliot Ness (Kevin Costner).

A big part of the movie's story arc is that Ness didn't want to play it that way, but ultimately did to make sure justice was done.

dreams said...

Oh I think Trump is going to win unless the crooked Dems and the crooked media already have it stolen.

eric said...

Right now Huma is screaming at Anthony, "I said to smash it with a hammer you idiot! A hammer!"

D. B. Light said...

This is not a national nightmare -- it's GREAT entertainment.

dreams said...

"Right now Huma is screaming at Anthony, "I said to smash it with a hammer you idiot! A hammer!""


To which Anthony said "I got your hammer right here baby."

WisRich said...

Trumps comments back in August.

“I know Anthony Weiner well, and she will be far better off without him, I only worry for the country in that Hillary Clinton was careless and negligent in allowing Weiner to have such close proximity to highly classified information. Who knows what he learned and who he told? It’s just another example of Hillary Clinton’s bad judgment. It is possible that our country and its security have been greatly compromised by this.”

Trump nailed it.

StoughtonSconnie said...

So Hillary, whose initial electoral success back in 2000 was at least partly due to sympathy for her because of the actions of her horndog husband, could conceivably lose the presidency due to secrets exposed through investigation of the actions of the horndog husband of Huma. This is the most Clinton thing that could possibly happen. Ever!

Owen said...

I was just sitting here quietly and the doorbell rang. It was UPS with a mystery shipment: box after box after box. I signed for it and opened it: 200 cases of Schloss Schadenfreude!!! And none of their down-market economy blend. This is the real deal: Premier Cru Brut Awesome Reserve VSOP Maker's Choice.

Hic. Prosit!

Achilles said...

Blogger PB said...
"If Hillary loses, Obama is going to be issuing a lot of pardons."

Can he pardon himself?

dreams said...

"So Hillary, whose initial electoral success back in 2000 was at least partly due to sympathy for her because of the actions of her horndog husband, could conceivably lose the presidency due to secrets exposed through investigation of the actions of the horndog husband of Huma. This is the most Clinton thing that could possibly happen. Ever!"


Hillary, weinered again.

Unknown said...

Look for Weiner to "commit suicide" very quickly. With, say, ten shots to the back of the head, or by putting on concrete overshoes and jumping into the Hudson.

For his own safety, he had better be in someplace like Tuvalu right now.

--Vance

Meade said...

"Maybe Weiner is a Russian spy."

Here's Anthony in his gabardine suit. I said, be careful — his scrotum is really a camera...

Birkel said...

Yes, Achilles. Obama likely can pardon himself. That power is plenary.

Michael The Magnificent said...

Hillary! schlonged by Weiner, news at 11!

Better get used to it, folks.

I'm so old, I remember the endless scandals of the first Clinton presidency, and from what we've learned from Wikileaks, they've only grown more bold and more corrupt.

Bay Area Guy said...

I relish any thread that discusses Anthony Weiner...,,,,

dreams said...

"Bernstein: FBI Would Not Reopen Case Unless New Evidence Was "A Real Bombshell""

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/28/bernstein_fbi_would_not_reopen_case_unless_new_evidence_was_a_real_bombshell.html

Howard said...

Man, you people do love swallowing the bait every time it's dangled under your nose.
You are being played by the federal puppet masters who have yet to set the hook.

This is a limited hang-out. It will be used to confirm Hitlery's innocence and to prove that the FBI left no stone unturned.

Christopher said...

Judging by the comments at the NYT article I think it's safe to say that the left is in full-on panic mode right now.

Achilles said...


Blogger Birkel said...
"Yes, Achilles. Obama likely can pardon himself. That power is plenary."

Can we sue them in civil court like they got OJ?

AReasonableMan said...

dreams said...
"Bernstein: FBI Would Not Reopen Case Unless New Evidence Was "A Real Bombshell""


I'm not sure about this. If there is any new evidence, of any potential relevance at all, he is under some pressure to announce this, having essentially cleared her of legal wrong-doing previously. He clearly finish this business early, so that the FBI could not be accused of either influencing the election or of delaying the investigation to help Hillary. That effort has come back to bite him in the ass. He should have said and done nothing until after the election.

Achilles said...

"This is a limited hang-out. It will be used to confirm Hitlery's innocence and to prove that the FBI left no stone unturned."

This may be true. But it won't help. Any decent intelligent person has already passed judgement on Hillary and her supporters.

The investigation is reopening because the rank and file FBI forced it. If they hadn't reopened there would have been mass resignations and a big press conference.

Jonathan Graehl said...

Sure. If he did something impeachable. Wouldn't you want to wait until that happened, first?

tim maguire said...

It seems to me a politician should not be impeached for any action the public knew about on election day. If people know of Clinton's crimes and vote for her anyway, then they have given their judgment; she should be in the clear for those crimes.

Thorley Winston said...

Talk of impeachment of a Democratic president is a waste of time because it takes at least 67 Senators to vote to convict and remove. Even if Republicans kept the same numbers they have now, at a minimum they would need more than ten Democratic Senators to vote that way as well. Can anyone name ten Democratic Senators who would vote to remove a president of their own party from office for any reason?

dreams said...

Via Facebook.

Laura Ingraham
9 mins ·
"Lawyers and FBI veterans say only 'damn convincing' new information or self-preservation would compel Comey to reopen the case"

Achilles said...

Blogger tim maguire said...
"It seems to me a politician should not be impeached for any action the public knew about on election day. If people know of Clinton's crimes and vote for her anyway, then they have given their judgment; she should be in the clear for those crimes."

If we were a democracy you would be right. But we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic and a nation of laws.

If you get enough people willing to vote for a person who did things I would go to jail for you lose all moral integrity and the country becomes aristocracy. I did not agree to that and anyone who does is my enemy. That is antithetical to freedom and liberty.

Bob Boyd said...

The Lyin', the Witch and the Weinerprobe

Fabi said...

Let's hope there are no lamps or ashtrays on Broomstick One when she hears of this wonderful news!

Howard said...

The investigation is reopening because the rank and file FBI forced it. If they hadn't reopened there would have been mass resignations and a big press conference.

This may be true. But it won't help. Any decent intelligent person has already passed judgement on Trump and its supporters.

eric said...

Blogger Thorley Winston said...
Talk of impeachment of a Democratic president is a waste of time because it takes at least 67 Senators to vote to convict and remove. Even if Republicans kept the same numbers they have now, at a minimum they would need more than ten Democratic Senators to vote that way as well. Can anyone name ten Democratic Senators who would vote to remove a president of their own party from office for any reason?


On the other hand, getting 20+ Republicans to impeach Trump, should he win, would be a cinch. The only reason Democrats might not do it is because they'd want Trump over Mike Pence.

Virgil Hilts said...

Bob Boyd said: "The Lyin', the Witch and the Weinerprobe"
BB, that was great; you should send that to the New York Post and give them permission to use it. Their current online headline is kind of lame.

Henry said...

Rocketeer wrote Where on earth are you getting that it is only three emails?

A few FBI-beat reporters have tweeted that number, but it doesnt show up on any of the straight news stories yet, so take it with a grain of salt. There's also some conflict between "device" and "devices."

Still, most likely outcome is that these are just duplicates of emails already turned over.

sane_voter said...

The only way Senate Dems would vote to remove Pres. Hillary is if politically that action saves their seats in the next two elections or somehow make the GOP a lock to win the Presidency in 2020. If the corruption and documented events that come out are so obvious and devastating that being seen as supporting it is electoral suicide, they will vote to remove. But that is a high bar to meet and very unlikely, but not impossible.

sane_voter said...

or not doing so makes the GOP practically a lock to win the Presidency in 2020.

CJ said...

I really hope they pop her for destruction of evidence - that the emails they found were the bleachbitted ones that have confidential/secret/top secret info on them that were subpoenaed and she never turned over.

Would bring this to a fitting, Nixon-like, full-circle, yin-yang closure.

Howard said...

Henry win's the thread. Jesus, you people never heard of Occam's Razor?

Howard said...

Oh, wait. Shit like this is political porn that causes you folks to play with yourselves in a circle-jerk.

Saint Croix said...

I wonder who pro-lifer Tim Kaine likes for the Supreme Court?

dreams said...

The corrupt liberal media spin begins.

"David Gregory: ‘Unprecedented’ That FBI Director 'Injected’ Himself Into E-Mails"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2016/10/28/david-gregory-unprecedented-fbi-director-injected-himself-e-mails?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=gregory-comey&utm_medium=marketing

Saint Croix said...

A few FBI-beat reporters have tweeted that number, but it doesnt show up on any of the straight news stories yet, so take it with a grain of salt. There's also some conflict between "device" and "devices."

NYT reports tens of thousands.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Clinton is a sociopath.

A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

Owen said...

Bob Boyd @ 4:43: "The Lyin', the Witch and the Weinerprobe."

I bow down.

C.S. Lewis himself would bow down.

Fabi said...

Why would the director of the FBI send that letter to Congress over duplicate emails? Lulz

Fabi said...

The NY Post calls it "Dickileaks". Hahaha!

Prosecutorial Indiscretion said...

Carl Bernstein noted that the new information must be truly significant for Comey to revisit his decision - if it were just some more classified information being illegally circulated, there would be no justification to set aside the Bureau's very, very strong preference to avoid influencing an election. To step back in at this late hour means some truly damning evidence came to light.

The re-opening of the case is magnified politically because Hillary and her surrogates put so much emphasis on the fact that the case was closed. That's been their consistent line, that the FBI investigated and found nothing wrong. That defense has turned into a huge liability - people leaning toward Hillary who heard that and bought it will be forced to seriously re-examine their support.

The fact that this has blown up on the various mainstream media outlets, bastions of Hillary's court stenographer propagandists, further demonstrates the magnitude of this decisions by the Bureau. And it's tied into the Weiner child sexting investigation, which brings the Clinton camp's sexual misconduct back into focus after they successfully shifted all the sex-related attention to Trump's comments and alleged misconduct. Just the association with the child sex stuff, however attenuated, will hurt her.

The timing could not be worse for Hillary. There's just enough time for this to continue building momentum until the election. Unless the contents of the emails are released before the election and they exonerate Clinton or are so de minimis as to be easily explained away, this is going to cause severe problems for the Clinton campaign. Despite the overwhelming headwinds, Trump might actually win this. And if Clinton should eke out a win, she's going to be crippled from the get-go and may well be a historically ineffective president.

This is a really big deal.

Bob Boyd said...

Thanks guys. Kind words.

So I wonder if the Weiner probe turned something up or if Anthony offered whatever it is to cut a deal and save himself.

Terry said...

Diogenes of Sinope said...
Clinton is a sociopath.

A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

10/28/16, 5:24 PM


But David Brooks says:

He cannot be contained because he is psychologically off the chain. With each passing week he displays the classic symptoms of medium-grade mania in more disturbing forms: inflated self-esteem, sleeplessness, impulsivity, aggression and a compulsion to offer advice on subjects he knows nothing about.

His speech patterns are like something straight out of a psychiatric textbook. Manics display something called “flight of ideas.” It’s a formal thought disorder in which ideas tumble forth through a disordered chain of associations. One word sparks another, which sparks another, and they’re off to the races. As one trained psychiatrist said to me, compare Donald Trump’s speaking patterns to a Robin Williams monologue, but with insults instead of jokes.


Look, you can believe some guy on the internet named "Diogenes of Synope" (almost certainly not his real name), or you can believe David Brooks, a conservative Canadian journalist who votes Democrat, and an unnamed "trained psychiatrist."

TobyTucker said...

I always thought Comey bowed down to extreme pressure from the Administration to go easy on Hillary. Either that or *someone* had some sort of dirt on him and he was being blackmailed to let her off.

I can only hope he is sincerely embarrassed by the criticism leveled at him and the FBI. I have my fingers crossed that, like the Cowardly Lion, he has finally found some courage and is now prepared to do what should have been done in the first place.

Fabi said...

New York Times now reporting tens of thousands of emails recovered. That's more than "3".

madAsHell said...

Drudge is now calling the Weiner emails "the Stroking Gun" !!!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

exiledonmainstreet said...

"The re-opening of the case is magnified politically because Hillary and her surrogates put so much emphasis on the fact that the case was closed. That's been their consistent line, that the FBI investigated and found nothing wrong. That defense has turned into a huge liability - people leaning toward Hillary who heard that and bought it will be forced to seriously re-examine their support."

Exactly. I don't know yet if this is a fatal wound, but anybody who thinks this won't hurt Hillary is delusional.

2016 - the pussy and weiner election. Truly, a shining moment in American political history.

exiledonmainstreet said...

There's already an opera about Nixon's trip to China. Someone really needs to write an opera about the 2016 presidential race.

Unfortunately, the title "The Magic Flute" is already taken.

Achilles said...

"Look, you can believe some guy on the internet named "Diogenes of Synope" (almost certainly not his real name), or you can believe David Brooks, a conservative Canadian journalist who votes Democrat, and an unnamed "trained psychiatrist.""

What is your point? Clinton is clearly a sociopath. I would not disagree with a diagnosis of manic for trump. Manics can be very functional and the affects are much better for us than the results of a sociopath.

Brooks is clearly not a conservative and saying so undermines your credibility. Were you serious or sarcastic with that comment?

holdfast said...

@Ignorance - well, unless this proves that the classified email was sent FROM her server to an account controlled by someone who lacked the necessary security clearances - and who was a very juicy target for potential blackmailers. Like, say, Anthony Weiner.

Previously HRC apologists (including Comey) could claim with a reasonably straight face that, yes, she shouldn't have used her secret server, but it wasn't strictly against the rules (because the guys who wrote the rules never thought anyone would be that stupid, but whatever . . . ) but everyone who had access to the server (HRC, Mills, Huma, Raines and her State Dept techs) all had the appropriate clearances, so bullet dodged and no harm no foul. Now go forth an sin no more.

If the classified info is now found on Weiner's dirty s@xt phone, that changes things.

Meade said...

"But why not wait until after the election, as they did with Nixon and Watergate?"

A good question. Another difference, if we compare and contrast this ever-growing scandal with Nixon and the Watergate scandal, is that the initial report in the Washington Post came out 5 months before Nixon was reelected in a landslide. It was almost a year and a half ago when we first learned of Clinton's email irregularities and the possibility of her having compromised national security.

tcrosse said...

Unfortunately, the title "The Magic Flute" is already taken.
So is the Twilight of the Gods.

buwaya said...

"Someone really needs to write an opera about the 2016 presidential race."

There's material for a dozen.

Bob Boyd said...

I expect Comey to announce a criminal investigation of Trump on Monday....also based on evidence exposed by the Weiner probe.

Original Mike said...

Wow. FBI reopens investigation too late to do any good. This has been the plan all along, hasn't it? Delay to get Hillary elected and then do a "credible" investigation to save face for the FBI. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

walter said...

grackle said...I predicted this late “trend” of the polls toward Trump on this very blog a few days ago.
--
Right..long after talk radio had floated that repeatedly.

I hope Hazmat was properly employed in this examination of "devices".

Qwinn said...

"Here's how you get him. He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way!"

Elliot Ness (played by Kevin Costner) in "The Untouchables" as misquoted by Barack Obama."

Er, pretty sure it was Sean Connery's character that said that, not Costner.

Bob Boyd said...

Weiner is claiming that's not his nut sack in the sexting photos.

He says it's Hillary's.

Comey has delegated several agents who complained about his handling of the case to..."take a peek."

buwaya said...

The Mexican Peso crashed on the news.
Check it out.

Rhythm and Balls said...

“We are calling the F.B.I to release all the information that it has,” Mrs. Clinton said in an evening news conference that took issue with Mr. Comey for making the disclosure 11 days before the election. “Let’s get it out.”

Lol. So now you want full disclosure. Ha hahahahahaaahahahahahaaahaha.

Screw off, Lizard Queen!

Achilles said...

Blogger Rhythm and Balls said...

"Lol. So now you want full disclosure. Ha hahahahahaaahahahahahaaahaha.

Screw off, Lizard Queen!"

There are so many epic rants from Bernie supporters on YouTube right now directed at Hillary. I hope a lawful and decent DOJ headed by Chris Christie cores out the DNC and gives the democrat voters their party back.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

R+B beat me to it by 10 seconds. Had just found and Ctrl+C'd that quote. There is no lie, no assertion, no claim so outrageous that HRC would balk at putting it out.

So what happened here? Did the FBI Director finally find shame? Did Trump cut a deal with Pres Obama involving the hypo-vehiculation of Hillary?

Bob Boyd said...

If Hillary survives this we know where her first drone strike will be.

Hagar said...

Let's wait and see until Monday anyway.
The response will be run from the White House; not the FBI.

holdfast said...

Let’s get it out.”

Phrasing!

holdfast said...

“We are calling the F.B.I to release all the information that it has,” Mrs. Clinton said in an evening news conference that took issue with Mr. Comey for making the disclosure 11 days before the election

It's easy to say that when you know that can't happen because at least some of the material is classified. It's a weak, rote, response but it's all they've got and it WILL be parroted endlessly by the MFM.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Thanks Achilles.

We have every right to be pissed, and to welcome a thorough scouring of the DNC top-to-bottom, until it is finally replaced by honest and decent people. Either that, or we'll continue building the third parties, which is not the worst outcome. We will always remember how many people on the right were willing to see the bigger picture and sympathize with us in just wanting an honest government that put the American worker first, instead of going down this endless and bottomless road of a go-nowhere shell game that even sold out basic American security and national interests to the highest bidder. Whatever disagreements we had with the right, are small potatoes. The Clinton-run DNC is the greatest threat to democracy and our Republic, and we are happy that our friends on the right realized this and were happy to put aside differences and lend a supportive voice, where warranted, to the fact that the true FDR-legacy progressives had so much more in common with them in just wanting to put America, starting with the least among us, first. They were fair to Bernie and are respectful in giving fair hearings to Jill Stein and we are glad to associate with people who recognize how much greater a threat the ideological snake known as the Clinton Juggernaut really is.

IN other news, I was wondering if James Comey was giving a subtle send-off to his government colleagues in his signature, which looks almost like it said, James Blomey. ;-)

Mike said...

Grabbing pussy and leaking weiners. A strange year indeed.

Terry said...

You do not know how devious Hillary is.
Get ready for an announcement by Hillary that she is dumping Kaine and Trump will be her new VP pick.

Rhythm and Balls said...

The way I see it, there are only two people/organizations with any power who are actually keeping America together right now: James Comey and Julian Assange. And Assange lives as a hostage to the NSA, the sympathy of his British captors notwithstanding, with his only outside line to the world cut.

Fabi said...

The actions from Comey don't occur in a vacuum. Maybe -- just maybe -- Obama is still smarting from the "He'd be bringing us coffee." remark and this is one last FU to the Clintons. Lulz

madAsHell said...

Comey has re-opened the case because he now has a way to Hillary!! that doesn't underscore that Obama was complicit with her email server.

Fabi said...

A Biden-Warren ticket would be up by 15 points right now. Joe must be banging his head on the desk every morning over his decision not to run.

Hagar said...

Uff da! The thought of Biden as Secretary of State was awful enough!

walter said...

Those yoga pics must have been received as crimes against humanity.

John said...

I forget where I heard this, it may have been Newt Gingrich but I don't know.

Anthony weiner was sexting for quite some time. If you look at the time lines, there was almost a year between when the sexting took place and when it came out. The theory was that someone knew about it and was holding it over Weiner's head.

"Get us the data on Huma's Blackberry or the papers get the evidence of your texting."

Not hard to do, all weiner would need to do would be slip a USB stick or sim card into the Blackberry. It would plant a trojan that would send all the data to whoever had the goods on Weiner. Weiner might even know the password so they don't have to work around that.

I don't know if that would rise to the technical level of "treason", in the legal sense but it certainly would not be good.

Once in Huma's Blackberry, the malefactor would have releatively easy access to Huma's email and other stuff. They could send emails from Huma with Trojans to Crooked Hilary and others in her network.

All weiner would need would be a minute with the phone. Say when Huma went to take a leak.

John Henry

Bruce Hayden said...

Keep what Mad just said in mind - there is evidence that Obama was conversing with Crooked Hillary with email, and that if he hadn't noticed that she wasn't using a state.gov email address, he should have. Scandal went all the way to the top. Which may have been why Comey was successful pressured to drop the investigation. I always wondered what the Clintons had on Obama, to get the DoJ on her side, and last week we may have found out. We shall see.

wildswan said...

The way I read it Huma backed up her e-mails from Hillary on Anthony Wiener's computer. So now we have all of Hillary's e-mails to Huma and can see if she deleted important ones in what she gave to Congress. (I wonder if she did, said Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.) And - Huma put classified e-mails on a non-secure computer - Wiener's. She is not running for President and can be convicted of that like any other citizen. And Wiener was vulnerable to blackmail.

So Comey could not have waited till after the election to reveal this. But also think about this. The only way this could be cleared up before the election is if Hillary tells the truth now. If she doesn't and wins then it will all come out after the election as lies that enabled her to President. If she tells the truth, she will lose because of what the truth is, see Wikileaks.

Anyhow, imagine being a Democrat and thinking the whole thing rests on Hillary telling the truth in order to prove her integrity.

PS I heard that Wiener's dildo was in that DDOS attack along with many others and that's why the FBI thought of looking at his computer at all.

Birkel said...

Good evening, "Rhythm and Balls" .

Would you like to tell me again how the Emails were a nothing issue and the Wikileaks hacks would not being down Clinton?

Birkel said...

Bring

The Cracker Emcee said...

"...also based on evidence exposed by the Weiner probe."

Good times.

Achilles said...

"They were fair to Bernie and are respectful in giving fair hearings to Jill Stein and we are glad to associate with people who recognize how much greater a threat the ideological snake known as the Clinton Juggernaut really is."

Don't forget to get here now we had to dispatch the Jeb Rubio Kasich clan. They were not as despotic or wealthy/powerful as the Clintons but taking them out was our first step. We are still dealing with the oligarch pets in the media stabbing us in the back. I truly look forward to sending the corrupt republicans to jail too.

I know a lot of Bernie fans. He got upwards of 70% here in Washington state. The funny thing is a lot of them were I502(pot) farmers with me and they got a taste of what more government looks like. We all want to go back to medical days when we were free. But our disagreements were possible while we still have the rule of law and a fundamental moral core.

The corruption needs to be the first target. All of it.

Achilles said...

Blogger Birkel said...
"Good evening, "Rhythm and Balls" .

Would you like to tell me again how the Emails were a nothing issue and the Wikileaks hacks would not being down Clinton?"

If he said that it was out of cynicism. He hates Hillary as much as you do just from a different angle.

walter said...
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Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

MadAsHell: "Comey has re-opened the case because he now has a way to Hillary!! that doesn't underscore that Obama was complicit with her email server."

Cogent observation, sir.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Howard at 4:15 gets it: if the FBI was going to do anything they already would have. Enjoy the thought that any of this might disconcert deserving Dems, but remwmwber that this will not result in any real harm to Hill.
She will get away with it. She and Bill always get away with it...something as improbable as loony Lewenski deciding not to clean her semen-stained was necessary to even slap ol' Bill's wrist. We're talking about a whole Dept. of loyal Dem bureaucrats with Hill's back (not to mention tens of millions of dirty dollars sloshing around the Foundation and related entities) this time. She is sleeping easy tonight.
Even in the unlikely event she faces some official consequence the result will be SYMPATHY and she'll end up with more votes. "Oh how dare the mean men at the FBI try and steal the election from the first woman Prez! Unfair, I'm with Hill, woman power!"
She is in. This smells like ass covering. Wise up.

Fen said...
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Fen said...

Congress can impeach and remove a President for pretty much any reason. "High crimes and misdemeanors" can mean pretty much anything

Really? Because we had a long conversation about how Perjury and Obstruction of Justice didn't rise to the level a "high crime and misdemeanors". Our hostess Althouse even allowed her credibility to be hijacked in support of such a statement. Remember the 100 legal scholars? They are so "smart" they they allowed the Summary to be switched after they had signed on supporting the older one.

Fen said...

"The House might easily impeach by majority vote. But, since 2/3rds of the Senate must vote to convict, impeachment would be largely an empty gesture."

As per the constitution, the sole power of Impeachment resides with the House. The Senate can not "acquit", they can only determine the sentencing. If the Senate wants to slap the guy on the wrist, fine, but he remains impeached. The Senate has no power to convict. The House already has, by voting on articles of impeachment.

traditionalguy said...

My best guess is that Comeh decided he had to do a quick CYA when Judicial Watch's subpoena/FOIA came in demanding all undisclosed e-mails on Killery which meant the Server the FBI was holding from a back up storage service that came from Platt River IT Services.

The FBI had ALL her emails and phone calls all along. They were hiding it.

But the moment Trump went into a sure winner in the Private Polls, the FBI knew they would be exposed when Trump came into Office...unless they could find an excuse to reveal what they had ASAP.

They used the sexual Carlos Danger investigation as an attractive excuse to pretend they accidentally just found it all on a Huma's laptop.

And here we are. The wrestler Trump instantly put the FBI into a pin hold by congratulating them for finally being honest again. That's a hard to live up to branding for them.

I noticed that Trump had Dan Gable at his Iowa event tonight. He acknowledged Dan as the greatest wrestler in history and a man who knows how to win. Besides his baseball, DaTrump was a wrestler in Military School. Wrestling especially teaches men mental toughness and winning...since you are going to suffer one way or the other, why not win it.

Fen said...

Howard: Any decent intelligent person has already passed judgement on Trump and its supporters.

No True Scotsman x2. Move back two spaces, lose a turn.

I support Trump because Hillary is above the Rule of Law, and Trump is the only candidate in range to stop her from gaining the power of the Executive Branch. If there were someone other than Trump who had a reasonable chance of stopping Hillary, I would support them instead.

You support Hillary because, while you know she is above the Rule of Law, you expect her tyranny will be directed at Americans you hate. You are just a little Eichmann. Its why you find yourself on the same team as a perv that sends dick pics to 16 year old girls. You are as intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt and corrupt as Hillary Clinton.

And you have the nerve to pretend you are the "decent" and "intelligent" one? No shame.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Immunity, kids. The word of the day is immunity.
To how many of the important people in this investigation did the FBI already grant immunity? How many of the gov. workers, the tech people, have taken the 5th in response to Congressional questioning? Are any of those people now suddenly subject to pressure from the FBI? Why?
The way it works is that the Feds develop some hunches about a case, then bring some low level people in and question them. Lying to a Fed is a big bad crime, so the choice then is to incriminate yourself or refuse to answer. If you refuse then ty know you're vulnerable-- interview other low level people and target you. Once they have something on you they squeeze--they offer a deal for cooperation vs some federal charges (with long minimum no-parole sentences, super-expensive court/lawyer costs, etc). You roll on your superior, and they work their way up.
This investigation was tanked from the beginning when the FBI tossed immunity out like candy. They immunized all the low level people and barely bothered to interview the high level people...they did not have any leverage at that point anyway. Read Andy McCarthy, it is obvious.
Are any of those immunity deals in jeopardy? If not this is all theater.

Rt1 Rebel said...

@traditionalguy

I've heard that theory tossed, but I'm not sure that's it. I have feeling that there is an intersect of Carlos Danger's device and at least one confidential emil. It has to be something of substance, no way that Comey or the FBI drops this bomb 11 days before the election for something trivial.

Howard said...

Fen: I was just flipping Achilles silly point around. I'm still waiting for your magic mind fuck that will make me cry like fat-shamed Mr. Universe? I absolutely get your support for trump. I think he's a slimy pud, but I get it. You are like that fat girl in the bar at closing time and trump is the only desperado horny enough to pretend to be nice to you so you give him a hummer in the gents.

Laslo Spatula said...

Is this now the time that Comey grabs Hillary by the pussy?

I am Laslo.

wildswan said...

See, now Hillary is saying that the FBI must clear itself, the FBI must be forthright, the FBI must be transparent, the FBI is on trial. No, Hillary is on trial, she is running for President, she is fooling around recklessly with classified information and her aide is doing the same even more recklessly. Hillary's chief aide put classified material on an insecure PC belonging to her totally compromised husband and she had classified e-mail on this computer till yesterday. Hillary said that kind of behavior was a mistake but Huma didn't change. So it isn't the FBI on trial; it is Hillary and Huma and whether Hillary defends Huma leaving the e-mails out in the open. And what the e-mails say - do they back up Wikileaks?

Only Hillary can clear herself by explaining now what will be found. If she doesn't try to clear herself, I'm not sure she will be elected because just snarling that the FBI has joined Russia in the plot against her makes Trump look moderate.

Fen said...

Howard: I was just flipping Achilles silly point around.

Except you don't get to do that. Not if you are a corrupt little weasel.


I'm still waiting for your magic mind fuck that will make me cry

Patience little man. So many chew toys, so little time. You'll get yours, don't fret.


"I absolutely get your support for trump....You are like that fat girl in the bar at closing time and trump is the only desperado horny enough to pretend to be nice to you so you give him a hummer in the gents."

No, you still don't get it. Because you are corrupt and intellectually dishonest - you've handicapped yourself. You're kinda stupid too. But thanks for kneeling in the sewer, right after you insisted you were "decent" and "intelligent"

Dance monkey, dance!

Achilles said...

Blogger Howard said...
"Fen: I was just flipping Achilles silly point around. I'm still waiting for your magic mind fuck that will make me cry like fat-shamed Mr. Universe? I absolutely get your support for trump. I think he's a slimy pud, but I get it. You are like that fat girl in the bar at closing time and trump is the only desperado horny enough to pretend to be nice to you so you give him a hummer in the gents."

Howard does his best to make everyone else seem smarter.

You really are just boring.

Howard said...

Glad to help boost your self esteem Achilles. Hopefully it keeps you off the oxy. You have seemed quite sober the last week. Good Job, buddy.

Terry said...

You remember who broke the Weiner sexting scandal, don't you?
That's right. This is Breitbart, reaching out from the afterlife to get Hillary.
I bet that she sleeps with the night light on tonight.

320Busdriver said...

Looks to me like Donalds hand is full of Trump, Hillary has nothing but fail.

Who's gonna take this trick?

Hagar said...

There seems to be general agreement among "the experts" that the FBI would not do this if they were not caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if they do and damned if they don't, and it just has to be about something very serious indeed.

Achilles said...

"There seems to be general agreement among "the experts" that the FBI would not do this if they were not caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if they do and damned if they don't, and it just has to be about something very serious indeed."

Rock: Hillary is guilty.

Hard place: so is Obama.

walter said...

"traditionalguy said...the moment Trump went into a sure winner in the Private Polls"
I guess I missed that.

Birkel said...

HoodlumDoodlum @ 9:24PM

saying what I said in the third comment to this post

@ 2:03PM

LULZ

traditionalguy said...

The FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department are in effect owned by the President and operate outside the law at his command. Clinton started that politicizing them at the top. Obama continued doing it and added the top military Officers.

The big bomb is DaTrump. They know that he is going to FIRE them all.

Which brings up the last time Nazis lost and had to run for cover. They stashed stolen gold in Switzerland and followed the Jesuit Run Rat Line to Argentina. The ones who had an industrial skill and dark science to sell made a deal with their long time American contact person, Preston Bush, supposedly to help fight communists by "joining the CIA." By the end of Eisenhower's term they had co-opted the CIA, and that in turn created the Bush Family's power.

narciso said...

now that was allen dulles, the cheney like bete noire for the better part of two decades, he had contacts in the nazi structure, and when the war ended was unwilling to part with them, web griffin, has revisited that period, that leads to the founding of the cia, with a sardonic mash like sensibility, he was a paratrooper stationed in germany, married a german ballerina,

narciso said...

david talbot, created such a dark portrait of him, that almost makes seem an antihero, like the villain in chinatown, he couldn't have possibly been involved in everything,

geoffb said...

"Unless all of the people previously given immunity lose that immunity because they have not been truthful, you will know this is a ruse to fool the voters."

From the actions of those having immunity, that we know of, I think the immunity is not premised on them telling the truth but on them not testifying anywhere else except in their FBI/Justice interview.

narciso said...

well the polls have been cooked to a ridiculous degree, there one with a 55% female sample, same or higher level of college graduates, 27% gop as a baseline, a higher voter turnout model than with obama in 2008,

Jon Ericson said...

full of good stuff that's apparantly not fit to print

Lucien said...

Wait 'til a 70 year old woman comes forward and says that when she was seven Donald Trump told her he didn't like her because she had girl cooties (bigly).

She'll be on all the Sunday shows.

The networks will dump this Comey letter stuff for REAL news like that.

Jon Ericson said...

more lawyerly

Michael The Magnificent said...

Bob Boyd @ 4:43: "The Lyin', the Witch and the Weinerprobe."

Whenever I'm going to vacuum the floors, for the benefit of my two dogs (who am I kidding, for MY entertainment!), I whistle the theme song to "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly."

And then the vacuum comes out of the closet, very slowly.

And then the vacuum stalks them, very very slowly, all the while I continue to whistle.

You would think they would hide in another room, but they can't. They are afraid, but mesmerized. They cannot let the vacuum out of their sight. They stay close, but try to keep something between them and the vacuum while it slowly pursues them.

Michael McNeil said...

PACE Lord Acton, POWER doesn't corrupt; IMMUNITY corrupts.

It was John W. Campbell, Jr. (called the “father of modern science fiction”; powerful writer in his own right [“The Thing”], but also editor for many years of Astounding/Analog magazine, whence he cultivated a generation of superb science fiction and fantasy writers: Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, et al.) who pointed this out, in one of his characteristic thought-provoking editorials at Analog: that it wasn't POWER per se that was corrupting, or (if unlimited) was absolutely corrupting — but rather it is IMMUNITY from negative consequences for the use/abuse of one's power, that is corrupting — and finally (if one is totally immune from ANY consequences), absolutely corrupting.

For instance (this is me now), Alexis de Tocqueville in his famous work “Democracy in America” from the 1830's noted that American localities would often appoint magistrates granting them very considerable power — but then made them quite frequently stand for reelection — moments they could be tossed out of office on their ear if seen by the public to be abusing that power. As a result, Tocqueville observed that in democratic America (at least at that time) politicians frequently did not abuse their power all that often — despite wielding, oftentimes, quite a lot of it — because they were not IMMUNE to the consequences if they became corrupt, and knew it.

Another exemplar may be seen with the proverbial petty bureaucrat — at the Department of Motor Vehicles, say — who in actuality may wield little real power, but because such bureaucrats ARE (or can be) largely immune from suffering any consequences as a result of throwing their power and weight around, the public gets trashed.

Unfortunately, as we see these days with Clinton: all checks (beyond just not electing her) are now inoperative and defunct. She isn't even president yet, but conducts herself (with regard to, e.g., security — but it's also true for many other aspects of her life) as if she were queen; meanwhile the media and the Justice Dept. do backward handsprings to make sure she isn't even slightly discomfited by consequences.

Hillary! deserves a trial, but this election is the probably only trial she will ever get. No wonder she acts totally corrupt!

exiledonmainstreet said...

Terry said...
You remember who broke the Weiner sexting scandal, don't you?
That's right. This is Breitbart, reaching out from the afterlife to get Hillary.
I bet that she sleeps with the night light on tonight.

10/28/16, 9:55 PM

Oh, that is sweet. I had forgotten that.

Camille Paglia (Jill Stein voter) said in an interview just before this broke that a Trump win would blow up the Democratic Party, the GOP and the media. Or as other non-conservative Michael Moore said, electing Trump would be the biggest 'fuck you' in US history.

That is why I am voting for Trump. Fuck you, DC swine.

Yancey Ward said...

I was stunned by Clinton's short press conference, especially her answer to the question concerning what Huma Abedin told her. Almost every single word out of Clinton's mouth in that press conference was not only a lie, but obvious ones.

As for the FBI declaring what they found- Abedin should still have access to those e-mail accounts, and if she doesn't, she surely knows what is contained in them. If Abedin doesn't give a full and unfettered press conference in the next 3 days, then you know it is really, really bad for Clinton. If all of this were truly of no consequence, Abedin herself could clear it up in an afternoon.

Owen said...

Michael McNeil: your comment on immunity is excellent. It is distinct from power but most of us conflate the two: as if by "power" we mean both. Thanks.

PS: thanks also for the citation to Analog. Fond memories.

Gahrie said...

Yes, Achilles. Obama likely can pardon himself. That power is plenary.

Except in Cases of Impeachment...............

Sara D said...

Howard said

"This is a limited hang-out. It will be used to confirm Hitlery's innocence and to prove that the FBI left no stone unturned."

In the meantime the Wikileak Emails are put on the "back burner".

jaydub said...

Hmm. What State Department emails would Huma forward to her own computer? Probably ones that would insure her against a HRC double cross. Say, the ones that detail:

- All the pay-for-play corruption at the Clinton foundation?
- Bengazi lies/gunrunning?
- Premeditated classified information handling violations?
- What else?

The idea that she forwarded those to her own computer to make it easier for her to print them out only makes sense if they were too radioactive to print at work and risk getting caught doing so. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the FBI didn't get everything they were looking for handed to them in a single file on a computer Huma was stupid enough to share with her unbalanced husband. Karma, can be a bitch!

MayBee said...

Friday was the first good day of this whole 2-year election cycle. I am loving this car-fest.

MayBee said...

crap-fest

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

Hagar @10/28/16, 2:42PM: "What we are looking at here is not an election, but a war between ideologies."

What ideologies? What factions?

The factions are those who depend on the Government for their livelihood, and those who do not. The ideologies are that the Government exists to serve the People, or that the People exist to serve the Government.

Both major political parties are Socialist. Republicans and Democrats differ in tactical appeal to the electorate, as the Optimates and Populares of Rome. This is simply an artifact of having a Constitution which requires periodic elections.

Ben Franklin gave us a Republic. We lost it when we misheard it as "Democracy."

grackle said...

Right..long after talk radio had floated that repeatedly.

I never listen to talk radio so I’ll take your word for it. I like music when I’m driving. But I’m interested to hear the details of what they had to say. For instance – what they thought about polling accuracy. Any links to some audio of talk radio predicting a favorable trend for Trump in the last days of the campaign?

So what happened here? Did the FBI Director finally find shame? Did Trump cut a deal with Pres Obama involving the hypo-vehiculation of Hillary?

My current favorite theory:

Comey and Andrew McCabe, who directed the Hillary email investigation, headed up what was probably a cover-up. Comey had political motives; he’s eGOP and I’ll bet he’s an unannounced NeverTrumper. McCabe’s wife, who ran unsuccessfully for the Senate, got a large campaign contribution out of it. McCabe got a promotion to an important position in the FBI.

I doubt if it could be proven that any laws were broken by Comey, McCabe or McCabe’s wife. Evidence against Hillary possibly destroyed by the McCabe investigative group? Impossible to prove if no one squeals. So I think Comey and McCabe need not worry about legal repercussions. It just smells to high heaven. It’s only embarrassing, not fatal.

http://tinyurl.com/hgpt4lb

But the FBI Anthony Weiner sexting investigation is apparently being conducted by a completely different group within the FBI … who found some bad shit on the confiscated Weiner/Abedin shared family laptop. The word has probably spread inside the FBI and evidently to some newshounds about the discovery of the bad shit on the laptop and Comey realizes that if he tries to smother this he could be caught up in something he cannot control.

If Hillary were elected(she won’t be) or even if she weren’t and was found later to be guilty of crimes because Comey couldn’t quash the Weiner sexting investigation, Comey might be this scandal’s next victim. Thus, Comey’s letter to Congress, classic CYA behavior. I doubt if we’ll learn more about this than what is already public knowledge until after the election.

If I were an enterprising prosecutor I would look into McCabe’s wife’s campaign finances. They funneled the Hillary money through it. Maybe there’s other pay-offs to be found.

damikesc said...

As has been asked...how did Comey not seize ALL of Huma's computers? Why would this stuff be a huge shock if they did a competent investigation?

Also, cute that Progressives now feel the election is being rigged against them.

The way I see it, there are only two people/organizations with any power who are actually keeping America together right now: James Comey and Julian Assange. And Assange lives as a hostage to the NSA, the sympathy of his British captors notwithstanding, with his only outside line to the world cut.

That's the sad thing. Assange should win the Pulitzer and he, instead, under house arrest. I have no faith in Comey doing the right thing.

damikesc said...

Also, out of curiosity:

If Trump was fired from the Watergate Committee for unethical activities, wouldn't that be a much bigger story than Hillary doing so is? I mean, does anybody really know what she did to be fired?

MadisonMan said...

People are fired for all sorts of reasons. Isn't the person who fired her conveniently dead now? So we'll never know.

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