July 25, 2016

"Hundreds of supporters of Bernie Sanders drowned out the Vermont senator with boos Monday..."

"... as he tried to make the case on the first day of the Democratic National Convention that his fans would need to vote for Hillary Clinton in order to defeat Donald J. Trump."
[T]he crowd remained fixed on their support of Mr. Sanders and not on the idea of defeating Mr. Trump. Over and over again they chanted, “We want Bernie. Bernie. Bernie. Bernie.”

The reaction from Mr. Sanders’s supporters was consistent with the anti-Clinton message delivered by demonstrators earlier in the day. Some pro-Sanders protesters took a harder turn on Monday, chanting “Lock her up” in an echo of the message of the Republican National Convention a week earlier, fueled by the resignation of the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.
 ADDED: Trump reacts:

101 comments:

rehajm said...

The danger in counting on the doosh vote is that they're dooshes.

Sebastian said...

Didn't they hear him refer to the "real word"? Down on your knees, Berniites. Obey the Party.

sunsong said...

Clinton has work to do to get the Bernie supporters...

Sydney said...

This whole Russian consipiracy theory. Why do they think Russians would help Trump? Wouldn't they be more likely to help Bernie? Doesn't he share their governing philosophy? Didn't he honeymoon in the Soviet Union? Just sayin'

coupe said...

I enjoyed Trump's Town Hall today. He said he isn't going to pay the bill for the Hotel they used.

No way, no air conditioning, you don't get paid! His lip was all wet, and he was dying on stage.

Still, he did well, he covered all the bullshit topics that float the party.

What I didn't hear him say is his willingness to liquidate the FDA and the USDA leadership and downgrade them from the Cabinet. These people have destroyed Americas food system to pay back China for their loans that keep our printing presses working day and night.

Chinese apple juice, the chemical tainted juice, is being sold as any juice you want, and the food industry uses Chinese juice to make billions.

American consumers are suckers.

Static Ping said...

Interesting times.

coupe said...

1% cranberry juice, 99% Chicom tainted "apple" juice. God knows what the chemical really is.

Vote for Hillary if you like Chinese food imports.

buwaya said...

"Wouldn't they be more likely to help Bernie? Doesn't he share their governing philosophy? Didn't he honeymoon in the Soviet Union? Just sayin'"

- They aren't commies anymore, they just like to behave like that, somewhat. They haven't got a governing philosophy other than what Putin says, goes.

- I don't see what Bernie has to offer them, other than being ineffective at shutting down fracking.

Birkel said...

UnknownInga assures me that Bernie Bros. will fall in line behind Sanders.

Also, she says people who believe otherwise are uninformed idiots.

I feel better knowing UnknownInga is out there keeping it real.

wild chicken said...

They ARE helping Bernie. Win-win for them.

traditionalguy said...

I love that disdainful Trump Look. It reminds me of George C Scott as Patton making an abhorrent look at the sloppy Unit that he is arriving at to be replacement General after its Kasserine Pass defeat.

Winners do not cut losers any slack.

And then there is Clinton Cash's revelation of the $750,000 bribe to the Clinton Gang from Ericsson Electronics for permission from Hillary to cheat on the world's Trade Embargo eagainst Iran.

buwaya said...

Its all just still the first act, scene 2.
Building dramatic tension.
Also advertising for eyeballs. This may beat the Republican convention in viewers.
Tonight there will be conflict, maybe.
A woman will be unhappy, perhaps betrayed. Lovers will be separated.

The Cracker Emcee said...

"Clinton has work to do to get the Bernie supporters..."

Not really. They'll go through the usual Leftist dumbshow but their return to the fold is not in doubt. If they weren't mallable knuckleheads they wouldn't have been Bernie supporters to begin with.

Chuck said...

By what Trumpian measure did Bernie Sanders "fold too early," given that he ran actively through the last primary, and given that Trump lambasted his own opponents for remaining in the race too long (all of them dropping out sooner than Sanders did)...?

shiloh said...

A word of caution ~ as bad as the '68 convention in Chicago was, Humphrey still almost won and would have won if the campaign lasted one more week. And that convention was Aug. 26-29 over a month later. And this does not account for train wreck Trump ...

Whereas Nixon was a former (8) year v-p and well-versed in domestic and foreign policy.

>

(8) years ago PUMA's said no way no how they were voting for Obama. Most, if not all of them, did.

Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble!

Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble!

Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble!

Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble! ~ Hillary's in trouble!


Althouse cons, please sit back and enjoy the majesty of the Dem convention in the city of brotherly love.

Keep hope alive!

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Will Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren get booed when they speak tonight? Will Hillary Clinton be greeted with "lock her up" chants when she speaks Thursday? This convention just got a lot more interesting.

coupe said...

Six times more apple juice was imported from China then they have orchards to make it. Makes you wonder how they get six times more juice from an annual crop?

The FDA and USDA say it's nothing to worry about, people aren't dropping dead in the streets!

Yes, but American agriculture is getting paved over.

I have to buy my tomato sauce in a carton from Italy because they don't pick the crop before it is ripe. American tomatoes are tasteless. They pick the tomatoes while they are green, so the bugs don't damage them. Profit over quality.

American consumers are suckers.

buwaya said...

"This convention just got a lot more interesting.'

You are beginning to understand.

coupe said...

Trump said he is going to repeal the Johnson Amendment.

The religious leadership will once again be allowed to speak their minds, and not have their tax exemption threatened.

God bless Donald Trump, and Mike Pence!

rightguy2 said...

I don't think Bernie ever wanted the nomination, otherwise he would be fighting for it now. He has a good case- the nomination was in the bag all along with a super majority of super delegates going for HRC.

Wilbur said...

Never mind the FDA - I dream that Trump will use his inaugural address to announce he is immediately sending legislation to Congress to abolish the Department of Education, reduce the EPA to about 200 employees, and rescind, revoke and remove every entry in the CFR for the last 8 years. McConnell and Ryan may have coronaries on the spot.

Keep hope alive. (Not for the coronaries.)

chuck said...

It's 1939 all over. Molotov, meet Bernie.

The Godfather said...

"Lock her up!" Remember how the commentators and talking heads were whining about how awful it was when the Republicans chanted this in response to Christie's speech? Have I missed their whining about how awful it is for Democrats to say the same thing?

Gusty Winds said...

This....is....just....AWESOME!!!

YoungHegelian said...

Did the Democrats think that the Red Guard Bernie-ites that so recently had been so disruptive to the Trumpites would just return to the Democratic fold & sit there like good boys & girls?

No, the Democrats sat by & watched while these clowns wreaked violence on their opponents, trampling on the 1st Amendment rights of their fellow Americans. "Well, Trump says some really extreme & divisive things".

Now, they're heckling the Dems, & shutting down speech they don't agree with under the Dems' tent. Oh, I guess it's because the Democrats are saying hateful & divisive things.

You think it'll stop with heckling? Just wait until they figure out they ain't gettin' shit out of HRC. Then you're gonna see some Bakuninist "Propaganda of the Deed". Yeah, baby!

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys, either.

buwaya said...

"Never mind the FDA'

No, never mind them. There are simpler and more practical policies.
A conservative, humane law to make it a felony to accept a Federal salary while residing in DC or the States of Maryland and Virgina.

Sebastian said...

"This....is....just....AWESOME!!!" People, people, let's be careful what we wish for. This will boost the DNC ratings! This is better than reality TV! This will create sympathy for the Hildebeast! Then again: nah. This is awesome.

shiloh said...

"Keep hope alive. (Not for the coronaries.)"

So along w/the miracle of Trump getting elected king, you're also expecting Reps to have a (60) seat filibuster proof senate.

I admire your unwavering vacuous confidence!

shiloh said...

"This....is....just....AWESOME!!!" People, people, let's be careful what we wish for. This will boost the DNC ratings! This is better than reality TV! This will create sympathy for the Hildebeast! Then again: nah. This is awesome."

Trump will be first to tell you there's no such thing as bad publicity ...

buwaya said...

"Then you're gonna see some Bakuninist "Propaganda of the Deed". Yeah, baby!"

This on the third night, probably. Dramatic pacing.

buwaya said...

"This is better than reality TV! "

This IS reality TV.

M Jordan said...

7 tips for Bernie delegates for having a successful insurrection:

1. Pace yourself. Boo only 100 times a day. Keep track like a pitcher's pitch count.
2. Don’t be a one-person parade! When a Boo Wave is forming, join it.
3. Use slogans. A few are ready-prepared: "Lock her up!" "I'm not with her" and "Up yours, establishment" (I prepared the last two). Invent some new ones on the fly. If they take traction, tweet them immediately.
4. Eat a lot of beans.
5. Use zen techniques. Greet with silence prepared applause lines, especially if the word “Trump” is in them.
6. Wave Mexican flags.
7. End each night with a master cheer: "Trump! Trump! Trump!" even if you don't like him. Why? Because nothing will cut to the heart of the Hillary/Wall Street Industrial Complex like this one word.
Be safe! Be smart! Good luck! You have a lot of people back home cheering for you.

Gusty Winds said...

The big question is how many Sanders supporters are in the convention center tonight and are they going to behave.

I figure they've been drinking and getting high all day, so it could go either way.

YoungHegelian said...

To step back from these Democratic & Republican scenes of chaos & view through a longer historical lens, what I think we're seeing here is the death of machine politics in the US. I think that new communications technologies have made the sharing of information that the party elites parceled out only to the inner circle both simple & impossible to contain.

I'm not saying what'll emerge on the other side is better, either. It may lead to a new decentralization or it may lead to a new & improved techno-savvy fascism (fascism always was techno-savvy, actually).

What will happen I don't know. You guys have gotta pay me more if you want me to see the future.

tola'at sfarim said...

So hes basically explaining why cruz didnt-and shouldnt have- endorsed him

Curious George said...

I'll bet the Hildabeast is asking "How big is Fort Marcy Park"

M Jordan said...

"A word of caution ~ as bad as the '68 convention in Chicago was, Humphrey still almost won and would have won if the campaign lasted one more week."

First, you can't prove a hypothetical. Second, there was that George Wallace problem. He got 13.5% of the vote, mostly Democrat.

traditionalguy said...

Bernie is now a man who is attacking women. That is shameful. Women are always innocent. They never have criminal intent...right.

YoungHegelian said...

@buwaya,

"Then you're gonna see some Bakuninist "Propaganda of the Deed". Yeah, baby!"

This on the third night, probably. Dramatic pacing.


For having a clue as to what the phrase Bakuninist "Propaganda of the Deed" means, I thank you, sir.

Quaestor said...

A word of caution ~ as bad as the '68 convention in Chicago was, Humphrey still almost won and would have won if the campaign lasted one more week.

A new low on the shiloh perspicacity scale!

Big Mike said...

In a comment on another thread I asked whether Bernie Sanders actually led "his" voters. It didn't get much response, but it does explain what just happened.

Let me be more specific. To what extent are the Bernie Sanders voters voting for his policies and to what extent did his voters pull the lever for him as the 2016 ABH (Anyone But Hillary) candidate? The ABH phenomenon was pretty well documented in 2008, but seems to have become invisible in 2016. Why is that the case? Where did the 2008 Democrat ABH voters go if not to Bernie? Maybe a few changed their minds and were assimilated into the Clinton coronation, and some may have joined the Greens, but surely not all of them.

And now Bernie has stabbed them in the back.

Gusty Winds said...

Although I am fully enjoying the chaos so far, Bernie couldn't pull votes from the minority communities that went heavily for Clinton. White people in Madison aren't going to win you the nomination.

You need votes from the African-American community. That's why the DNC was floating the "Atheist-Jew" narrative. Liberals in Madison might not care, but that's a deadly combo in certain demographics of the Democrat base.

Jon Ericson said...

When do the... um... strangers arrive?
Will they all have the same script?
I think the prepared script is kaput.

shiloh said...

"the death of machine politics in the US."

Interesting Trump, who has no such animal at present, will be running against not one, but two well oiled political machines ie Clinton and Obama. Indeed, the best political machines in modern politics.

"We" can only wish him well as it might behoove him to start fundraising w/more vigor. Indeed, a few more trumpences in the campaign bank could be helpful.

>

One of the reasons I thought Obama had no chance in 2008 was because of the Clinton political machine. But Hillary imploded. Now Obama is her biggest asset.

Stay tuned! as it appears Althouse cons are ever so more excited re: the Dem convention than they were about the Rep convention.

Browndog said...

Missing the the commentary surrounding yet another email scandal, is the fact Hillary worked with the mainstream Press to influence/steal the election.

This is not a democrat issue.

She will use the same tactics to influence/steal the General Election.

No wonder the press have been beating the "Russian Horse" all the live long day.

coupe said...
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shiloh said...

"Those darned polls are distorting"

Whereas it is true Obama's poll #s didn't start tracking slightly higher until voters started comparing him w/Cruz and Trump ie possible replacements. Shocking!

Quaestor said...

First, you can't prove a hypothetical. Second, there was that George Wallace problem. He got 13.5% of the vote, mostly Democrat.

Thirdly, Jerry Ruben and his confederates had no intention of influencing the Democratic Convention, they were out to destroy it and the political process generally. They weren't partisans of Eugene McCarthy, they were admirers of Leon Trotsky, and like their idol were out to destroy bourgeoise democracy in the name of "the People". In that aim they failed utterly because the only thing American viewers saw was chaos and a Democratic Party unable to cope with the chaos — the viewers came to despise both the rioters, the ham-fisted Richard J. Daley, and the feckless Hubert Humphrey. In contrast was Nixon, looking cool and in command. The voters saw Humphrey as Chamberlain, the well-meaning chump, and Nixon as Churchill, the tough-minded realist.

The disruptions happening to this convention come from a well-founded anger at corruption in the highest places in the Party, not a bunch of professional agitators.

Shiloh's analogies to 1968 are bogus and ignorant.

buwaya said...

"And now Bernie has stabbed them in the back."

We can work this into the script, no problem.
It goes well with that reconciliation thing.

After the Bakuninist Propaganda of the Deed incident. It feeds into the motivation for that part of the drama.

Someone will sacrifice themselves in an emotional reaction, somewhere, probably not Hilary. Maybe Huma, that will work. The pathos and catharsis will resolve the betrayals, and etc.

They will all be singing together before the curtains come down.

MikeR said...

NYT can't resist pushing a little: "She [Nina Turner] also rebutted protesters who were arguing that Mrs. Clinton’s handling of her emails while secretary of state showed that she was guilty of criminal activity, despite the finding by the F.B.I. director that she was not."
I must have missed that.

shiloh said...

"Nixon as Churchill, the tough-minded realist."

Laughable Churchill Let me say this about that. comparison aside, no, as always voters picked the lesser of two evils by 0.7%. Nixon getting a whopping 43.4%.

shiloh said...

Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate!

Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate!

Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate!

Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate!

Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate! ~ Love trumps hate!


I yield back the balance of my time ...

buwaya said...

Well, the plot is coming along. Help this out!

Act 1 Scene 1 - The disgraced Duchess of Deencee is driven off by the enraged peasants.
Act 1 Scene 2 - Prince Bernie meets his retainers, who are mutinous, unhappy about his reconciliation with the hated Queen Hilary
Act 1 Scene 3 - Queen Hilary in an interlude with her lady in waiting, Countess Huma; interrupted by urgent word of defeat on the Pennsylvania marches by the Trumpish hordes. The kingdom is beset by enemies without and rebellion within.
.
.
.

Quaestor said...

43.4%, which gave Nixon a 55.9% landslide victory. Humphrey was finished politically, as is Hillary is now though she's too stupid to realize it.

eric said...

I don't know what will happen given this election. Will Hillary win? Will Trump?

No idea.

However, I do have one prediction that I'm willing to bet cold hard cash on.

If Trump wins, unknown and Shiloh and several others will vanish. They'll change their names, again, and come back and make more worthless posts and predictions without ever having to own them.

Quaestor said...

Please continue to use trump as a verb, it means unconditional victory!

shiloh said...

Quaestor, your lightness is showing!

Unknown said...

90% of Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

buwaya said...

Trump = Vincere! (from Nessun Dorma)

shiloh said...

"They'll change their names"

Have never changed my name and never vanish although I did take a 3 yr 3 mo "vacation" from all political blogging after Obama trumped mittens!

Indeed, didn't want to add salt to the wound re: the fragile self-esteem of many Althouse cons continuing to mourn their life shattering loss.

buwaya said...

On the state of the drama - I need a romantic foil for Countess Huma. The obvious choice is Queen Hilary herself, though that is a bit modern. Her husband certainly wont do. Oh heck, I'll go with Hilary.
I think it would work better as an opera actually. Big duet in Scene 3.
Also need a character among the rebels for the Propaganda of the deed business.

Comic relief - the Duchess of Deencee, The cuckolded husbands King Bill and Count Anthony

Pamela said...

"""Blogger coupe said...
I have to buy my tomato sauce in a carton from Italy because they don't pick the crop before it is ripe. American tomatoes are tasteless. They pick the tomatoes while they are green, so the bugs don't damage them. Profit over quality.
American consumers are suckers.
7/25/16, 3:56 PM"""

He has never followed a big truck overflowing with ripe red tomatoes on Highway 99 East of San Francisco.

walter said...

sunsong said...
Clinton has work to do to get the Bernie supporters...
--
Prepare for the avalanche of new free stuffs. Gonna make Ivanka's pander insulting to the berners.

Sebastian said...

The key DNC question is: will the BernieBros chant "Lock Her Up" during Hill's speech?

Some crafty Trump or GOP operative should plant the seeds for it. In a way, Trump is doing it himself, playing on their sense of betrayal and daring them to be less compliant than Bendover Bernie.

Jon Ericson said...

I am big. It's the pictures that got small.

--Norma Desmond

Rusty said...

I'm starting to warm to Trump.

eric said...

Blogger Unknown said...
90% of Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/t


As leaked emails have shown, WaPo is a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC.

walter said...

Heh..
Just got a weekly update from a local hospitality business:

Subject: A leaked email from (was listed in actual email)

In body of email, it began:
"I knew the headline would get your attention!"

shiloh said...

"As leaked emails have shown, WaPo is a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC."

Eric, the Dems have always had a big tent!

All aboard!

buwaya said...

"Eric, the Dems have always had a big tent!"

And Mrs. Clinton is wearing it.

Jon Ericson said...

https://www.sayitwithacondom.com/bernie-sanders-condom-feel-the-bern

Bernie Condoms? If those were done by the DNC I GUARANTEE you they have leaks.

Birkel said...

shiloh:

Remind me what percentage of the vote Bill Clinton got in 1992, since Nixon only got 43.3%. Are you saying George H.W. Bush would have won if there has been another week of campaigning?

Good grief.

n.n said...

Hate loves abortion.

Unknown said...

Quaestor,

Shiloh's bogus and ignorant.
7/25/16, 4:44 PM

FIFY

Birkel said...

Further, shiloh, could you quit pretending that a weaker United States, with more people on the dole, fewer workers, more international turmoil and a smaller, less capable military is a conservative problem.

This is not a psycho-drama, you insipid fool. It is a country that has been weakened institutionally. It is a country with less wealth that is more susceptible to events. FFS, quit pulling for "your team" and pretend to give a shit about the country.

Birkel said...

Booing the pastor who says the convocation? And Trump has to prove he is normal?

https://pjmedia.com/video/the-dnc-even-booed-during-the-invocation/

shiloh said...

George H.W. Bush, an incumbent who had just "won" the first gulf war barely over a year before received ***37.4%*** in '92.

Repeating ~ George H.W. Bush, an incumbent who had just "won" the first gulf war barely over a year before received ***37.4%*** in '92.

Good grief.

Birkel, I feel your pain!

EMD said...

"He has never followed a big truck overflowing with ripe red tomatoes on Highway 99 East of San Francisco."

In a lot of other places, grocery store tomatoes are terrible. Farmers' Market all the way.

Birkel said...

shiloh:

Given that I asked about Bill Clinton and you unsuccessfully tried to distract by answering a different, unasked question, that was a big failure. Care to try again?

Birkel said...

Further, shiloh, you ignorant wretch, I asked you to consider something beside partisan politics. And you failed on that count too. Try again on that score?

shiloh said...

Birkel, your 5:45 post was a distraction er deflection from my previous post and your memory needs no refreshing as you can easily look up the results ie another deflection.

Obviously wasn't saying anything about Bush41 as you brought up the bogus comparison er another deflection.

Irony alert indeed as try to be a little bit more self-aware re: your hypocrisy!

take care, blessings

shiloh said...

And let the record show Birkel is resorting to childish name calling. Shocking!

Birkel said...

shiloh:
You posited an alternate universe in which Nixon's 43.4% was a week from losing. I asked Clinton's percentage in order to draw the exact conclusion about 1992 that you made about 1972.

I want to be as clever as you. Or I want you to continue to make a fool of yourself. On that score, naturally, I remain blessed by your incompetence.

Now be a dear and think beyond party politics, fool.

shiloh said...

Birkel, when you're in a hole stop digging!

Unknown said...

Such good advice, it's always easier to counsel others isn't it? But then, I'll bet you've had lots of counseling. All kinds of counseling. (Were they ever able to explain to you WHY you are like you are? Or did you palm your stelazine and escape first?)

Bless you, Shiloh. Bless you so much! But do tell, does it hurt to be so false and rotten inside?

The Cracker Emcee said...

"Blogger buwaya said...
Well, the plot is coming along. Help this out!

Act 1 Scene 1 - The disgraced Duchess of Deencee is driven off by the enraged peasants.
Act 1 Scene 2 - Prince Bernie meets his retainers, who are mutinous, unhappy about his reconciliation with the hated Queen Hilary
Act 1 Scene 3 - Queen Hilary in an interlude with her lady in waiting, Countess Huma; interrupted by urgent word of defeat on the Pennsylvania marches by the Trumpish hordes. The kingdom is beset by enemies without and rebellion within."

"buwaya said...
"Eric, the Dems have always had a big tent!"

And Mrs. Clinton is wearing it."

Dude, you are on fire!

Yancey Ward said...

Big Mike for the win!

Yes, Sanders was a proxy for ABH. ABH formed part of Obama's winning primary coalition in 2008. Several months ago- probably sometime after New Hampshire, but before Super Tuesday, I pointed out that Sanders had no chance to win the nomination because he couldn't secure all of Obama's primary base- specifically, Sanders couldn't keep Clinton from reclaiming the votes of African Americans- voters she lost in 2008 for obvious reasons.

Like Mike, I don't think they will follow Sanders into suddenly being enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. Surely a great majority will vote for her in November, but a good portion of them will either vote third party, or more likely simply sit it out.

Unknown said...

A racial/ethnic demographic breakout of Clinton vs Sanders voters would be instructive, I think. Some core instability there.

Birkel said...

shiloh:

You have failed to make any salient point. You are a fool. I offer to pitch in a dollar to get you the hat with bells.

Yancey Ward said...

Birkel,

Why engage with trolls? They are best ignored.

Yancey Ward said...

Unknown,

One could do that providing there was exit polling during the primaries.

However, eyeballing the demographics of the states won by Clinton and won by Sanders which held primaries as opposed to caucuses, I would estimate Clinton won 90%+ of the African-American and Hispanic vote everywhere, and about split the white vote with Sanders in the South, while losing the white vote everywhere else to Sanders.

Yancey Ward said...

As it turns out, there is exit polling data for most of the primaries at CNN prior to California. I overestimated Clinton's draw of Hispanic voters- she seems to have won about 70%. Otherwise, what I wrote is roughly right.

Birkel said...

Yancey Ward:

Sometimes I must embrace my inner kitten and bat the ball of string around the electronic living room.

Also, I thought this thread was dead-ish, given Althouse has newer ones above.

khesanh0802 said...

Although I think responding to Shiloh is a waste of time I did yesterday because I had some factual material that I thought he should see and ponder. It was contradictory to his interpretation of a headline and taken from the actual text of the story. I heard nothing from him - no acknowledgement, no explanation of his interpretation, just absolute embarrassed silence. I lost what little interest I had in him then.

Roughcoat said...

For having a clue as to what the phrase Bakuninist "Propaganda of the Deed" means, I thank you, sir.

Busy, busy, busy.

AprilApple said...

Bernie is a sell out.

Rhythm and Balls said...
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Brando said...

A large part of Bernie's support are people who won't simply do what Bernie asks them to do but who had serious problems with the idea of Hillary getting rewarded with the presidency for all her venality. At this point they see her and Trump as both corrupt and dangerous, and having their suspicions confirmed that corrupt Hillary also had the DNC leaning for her only made it worse.

If she loses, this will be why. She couldn't find a way to stay clean for a couple years to get elected president--because a Clinton is a Clinton, and corruption is all they know. The one silver lining to a Trump presidency would be finally crushing that grafter couple's scam.

tim in vermont said...

I did yesterday because I had some factual material that I thought he should see and ponder. It was contradictory to his interpretation of a headline and taken from the actual text of the story. I heard nothing from him - no acknowledgement, no explanation of his interpretation

Shilo is here to disrupt. His agenda is to try to make us believe that Trump has no chance, give up, stay home, so that the Democrats can make up some ground in state level elections, where they have gotten slammed. In four years there will be a census year election, meaning whoever controls the state houses controls the House for the next ten. He knows Hillary is a corrupt liar, has has admitted as much many times here. He is just trying to make lemonade. The problem is that his tactics are all wrong, but that's his problem, not ours. We just find his selling out his values for Hillary immensely entertaining.

tim in vermont said...

I meant to say "professed values." We know he only believes in power.

Joe said...

A word of caution ~ as bad as the '68 convention in Chicago was, Humphrey still almost won and would have won if the campaign lasted one more week.

The claim that the election was close is rewriting history. It depends on so many factors that a week wouldn't have made a hill-of-beans difference. Every "what if" in favor of Humphrey has a "what if" against him. Truth is, Humphrey got clobbered. Even if all the electoral votes for Wallace had gone to Humphrey, the latter would have still lost to Nixon by 64 electoral votes!