August 15, 2013

"We have reached a state of harder polarization and more dangerous division, with the social fabric in danger of tearing, because violence only begets violence."

"The beneficiaries of what happened today are the preachers of violence and terrorism, the most extremist groups," said Egypt's interim vice president, Mohamed ElBaradei, resigning. ElBaradei is a Nobel Prize laureate.

Another Nobel Prize laureate is United States President Barack Obama, whom we heard from through a spokesman named — seriously, I'm not joking — Josh Earnest.
He said the United States condemned the renewal of the emergency law and urged respect for basic rights like the freedom of assembly and peaceful demonstrations. But he stopped short of writing off the interim government, saying the United States would continue to remind Egypt’s leaders of their promises and urge them “to get back on track.”
Get back on track after a day in which the military killed more than 500 people in what the NYT called "scorched-earth assault by security forces to raze two pro-Morsi protest camps in Cairo." (The U.S. gives $1.5 billion to Egypt every year, mostly to the military.)
Analysts said the attack was the clearest sign yet that the Egyptian police state was re-emerging in full force, overriding liberal cabinet officials like Mr. ElBaradei and ignoring Western diplomatic pressure and talk of cutting financial aid.

“This is the beginning of a systematic crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood, other Islamists and other opponents of a military coup,” said Emad Shahin, a professor of political science at the American University in Cairo. “In the end,” he added, “the West will back the winning side.”
The "winning side" is the military and we're already backing it, right?

ADDED: Why did Obama win the Nobel Peace Prize? He had been President for only 9 months, and what the Norwegian Nobel Committee cited was "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
I'd forgotten that part. Nuclear weapons, eh? Obama has advocated and worked for the complete elimination of nuclear weapons?
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics....

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future....
Seems like they were endorsing that poster.

25 comments:

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...

What's happening is indeed harsh, but imagine the benefit to the Jews and all of us, had some force done this to a nascent National Socialist movement in 1930's Germany.

There are striking parallels.

Hagar said...

I remember what the Muslim Brotherhood did to Anwar Sadat and how they did it.

What the U.S. Gov't should do at this point, I do not know. It looks like this administration has got itself into a position where there is not anything they can do, except accept the consequences of what they have and have not done up to now.

However, I am afraid that they will manage to make the situation still worse, and a general war may spread throughout the Middle East.

traditionalguy said...

Talk about crocodile tears from Imam Obama. Secular and Christian Egyptians are united in opposing the warfare elite of the most anti-Semitic/Israel exterminating , anti women's equality, anti Gay, anti free speech, anti Sommalian slavery freedom, and the cruelest terror enactors in a 30 year ongoing declared war against America, and Obama's gang opposes them every which way they can.

David said...

A majority of American voters inflicted this empty suit upon the world for roughly the same reasons that the Nobel committee awarded him the prize.

Of course the world was glad to have him.

How about a replay of that Cairo speech now?

Careful what you wish for.

Peter said...

Marketers talk about "selling the sizzle, not the steak."

The Norwegian Nobel Committee was intoxicated by the sizzle.

Tibore said...

I. One of the problems with radicalized Islamicists is that there are no real win states with them. There's only being on the road to dark ages throwback oppressiveness, and arrival a-la Afghanistan during the Taliban regime. And let's be frank: The Muslim Brotherhood is only "moderate" in comparison to Salafists; they hold a painfully immoderate, even regressive worldview by objective standards. Had they not been pushed out of government, Egypt would have slid towards violence and ruin anyway, with the MB slowing having to cede power to more radicalized elements (remember: Part of the tragedy of Egypt is that the westernized, liberalized element of the opposition is matched by the Salafist radicals who's argument is that the MB doesn't go far enough. Guess who'd end up creeping into power once the door was open? Not the liberalized, enlightened segment). This current situation is merely trading off one sort of ruin for another.

II. I pay no attention to Obama's Nobel. That award said much more about the Nobel committee than it did about what Obama supposedly accomplished.

bbkingfish said...

We have backed the Egyptian military (provided them financial aid) since the Camp David accords in 1979, at least. I would not expect us to start backing the Muslim Brotherhood any time soon.

Hagar said...

We are backing everybody and nobody and winding up with one unified opposition; they all agree they heartily dislike the U.S. Government.

damikesc said...

Yup, toppling Mubarak was one of the better ideas.

Sadly, the military is STILL the better option.

Our best bet: Side with the military and recognize that they are doing the exact thing we're doing, except we use drones.

Virgil Hilts said...

What SomeoneHasToSayIt and traditionalguy said. Per yesterday's Spengler column, think of the Muslim Brotherhood as the Nazi Party in 1936, and what's happening doesn't seem so bad.

Dean Douthat said...

This is classic Ataturk democracy -- the only kind that has ever worked in the Middle-East.

traditionalguy said...

Actually Egypt is the prize to be won or lost in the entire middle east today. It has a severe food shortage, but it also has an excess of smart people which are what win wars and govern well. The Saudis are now their financial life line since Obama's gang joined the USA to the Muslim Brotherhood.

cubanbob said...

The proper analogy is to Chile. Allende ran a campaign like Morsi saying one thing and when governing changed the fundamental nature of the State without a broad consent. The majority of Chileans did not want to communize Chile. The majority of Egyptians appear to not to want to turn Egypt into an Iran. In Chile the army restored Chile to more or less to what is was prior to Allende. In Egypt what the army will ultimately restore Egypt to remains to be seen but whatever it does do is unlikely to be as bad as anything the Islamacist will do if they had their way. I suspect things will get much worst in Egypt very soon, perhaps even turn into an Algerian style civil war between the army 'secularists' and the Islamic extremists. That was a very nasty war that lasted ten years (if not more) but the army won in the end and most Algerians prefer that outcome. That in the end may well be true of Egypt.

mccullough said...

John Kerry is on top of the situation. No need to worry.

Dale Light said...

Wasn't Ronald Reagan the President most closely associated with an attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons? I wonder why he didn't win the Nobel Prize. As for the Egypt, I'm on the side that doesn't kill Christians.

n.n said...

There were more people murdered during the so-called "Arab Spring", throughout the deposition of Mubarak. Why are they only now concerned with the loss of human life and other violations?

Surely they cannot believe that the "democratic" election of Morsi was a legitimate outcome, which cannot be realized under duress.

Also, where are the calls to end the occupation of Egypt? The Arabs are not native to Egypt. Islam was imposed on Egyptians through the sword.

Hagar said...

So they [the Government] go on in strange paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent.

Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 12, 1936
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Balfegor said...

Wasn't Ronald Reagan the President most closely associated with an attempt to eliminate nuclear weapons? I wonder why he didn't win the Nobel Prize. As for the Egypt, I'm on the side that doesn't kill Christians.

There could be worse things than for the Western Powers to stick up for their coreligionists in other countries, as they once did in the Ottoman Empire. Well, mostly "coreligionists." The British, if I recall correctly, protected the Jews.

Egypt's economy is so far gone, though, that what they really need is the reinstitution of the Caisse de la Dette Publique. Of course, the same could be said of many of the Western powers today, which have been equally as profligate with their taxpayers' money as the Khedive was with his.

Cedarford said...

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...
What's happening is indeed harsh, but imagine the benefit to the Jews and all of us, had some force done this to a nascent National Socialist movement in 1930's Germany.


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If there was one group that should have been "eliminated", it was as Winston Churchill said "the trouble-making Jewish Bolsheviks and their Red Terror".

Once the communists were in place, committed to mass liquidations, and global spread of violent revolution...the rise of European Fascism and Asian militarism was inevitable. Without the National Socialists, a militant and violent counterweight to the Reds violence that had caused tens of millions butchered or starved.. would still have emerged of a Fascist strain in West Europe.

Issob Morocco said...

Remember the Cairo connection to the Benghazi Murders.....

Issob Morocco said...

Remember the MB connection to the Cairo condemnations of riots on our Embassy which didn't happen for 6 more hours all of which led to 4 Americans murdered in Benghazi.

Carl said...

I don't know that much about Egypt, but I do know enough to consider it possible that the 500 people the Egyptian military killed needed killing.

And El Baradei is a smarmy doofus from way back. Why anyone thinks anything he says has more content value than white noise is beyond me.

Jupiter said...

What do you call 525 dead Muslim Brothers?

jeyi said...

Nice to see you around, Cedarford...

Should we have eliminated just the trouble-making Jewish Bolsheviks, or while we were at it, got rid of all of 'em? Let G-d sort them out, Yo?

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