June 13, 2013

"More white people died in the United States last year than were born..."

"... a surprising slump coming more than a decade before the Census Bureau says that the ranks of white Americans will likely drop with every passing year."

"Slump" — used there by The Washington Post — sounds kind of mean. The first definition in the (unlinkable) OED is: "To fall or sink in or into a bog, swamp, muddy place, etc.; to fall in water with a dull splashing sound."

a1677   I. Barrow Serm. in Wks. (1686) III. 191   Young men..walk upon a bottomless quag, into which unawares they may slump....
1776   T. Twining in Country Clergyman of the 18th C. (1882) 31,   I remember slumping on a sudden into the slough of despond, and closing my letter in the dumps....
1835   New Monthly Mag. 43 159   We dreaded to meet even a single sleigh, lest in turning out, the horses should ‘slump’ beyond their depth, in the untrodden drifts.
Also, " To slide off heavily; to plump down; to fall or collapse clumsily or heavily..."
1884   J. Burroughs Pepacton 217   Its body slumps off, and rolls and spills down the hill.
1889   ‘M. Twain’ Connecticut Yankee v. 63   Clarence had slumped to his knees before I had half finished....
WaPo is talking about The Reproductive Choice of Women. How sexist to label this a sinking into a bog or a clumsy collapse. It's quite the opposite. I've been down there on the floor... No one's ever gonna keep me down again.... It is knowing, intelligent, and individualistic.

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LarsPorsena said...

What would you expect from a race of Flukes?

Simon said...

Change in which we can believe.

Paul VI was right.

Paddy O said...

Baby Boomers Bust

Roughcoat said...

Well, I find that disturbing. I, for one, generally like white people. I'm one of them myself, after all. Although I admit that wasn't always the case. When my Irish great-grandparents (mother's side) immigrated to America during the Famine many of those who had arrived before them did not consider them white, not least because they were Catholic. Now they're as American as an Irish pub in Chicago!

Dave said...

...leading to more paranoia among racist extremists ....

Speaking of racists - didn't that kid do a great job signing the National Anthem at the NBA finals in San Antonio?

traditionalguy said...

For 5 years it has not been possible to plan for a better future for our children, much less for ourselves.

It shows common sense among folks living alone at their parents house,working part time low pay jobs to pay student loans and wondering why Obama has done nothing to help the economy.

Procreation is a hope for the future activity.

Paddy O said...

the ultimate white flight

jacksonjay said...


We talkin about whitey or peaty?

SteveR said...

Well among other problems, its become damn hard to call yourself white these days. Look at the hell Elizabeth Warren had to endure before having to call herself Native American. One bad anscestor and you're out.

TosaGuy said...

Reading some of the comments, there are plenty who want to hasten the demise.

I contend that most of those are white people with an extreme case of guilt.

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...

Well, it's smart and compassionate to not bring in new people to face an increasingly uncertain future dystopia, so, that alone could account for it.

ricpic said...

I love the way the news readers on the MSM always report the coming loss of white majority status with looks of gleeful anticipation plastered on their faces. Of course that America will be an infinitely better country goes without saying based on all the black and brown brains that, no longer oppressed, will then proceed to bless us with a cornucopia of brilliant ideas, inventions and enterprises - sort of the stop light writ large - which will make America finally FINALLY not only a great but a GOOD country.

Paddy O said...

Non Angli, sed angeli

bagoh20 said...

Some people probably think this is a good thing, but if you mine some data about positive aspects of human life like: prosperity, advancement, human rights, charity and security, and then see how it correlates with white people, you might find this development pretty ominous.

El Pollo Raylan said...

The Ritmo's of the world cheer the news!

Mitchell the Bat said...

I don't care how stinking much of a minority I become.

You can have my topsiders when you can pry them from my cold, dead feet.

bagoh20 said...

As StewartR alludes to above, how much of this is just redefining White people out. There was a time when people called themselves White if they could, but today that's not where the institutional advantages are, so many probably chose something else if they can.

gerry said...

WaPo is talking about The Reproductive Choice of Women. How sexist to label this a sinking into a bog or a clumsy collapse.

We need more pregnancies to sneak up on women.

Dave said...

"ric pic said...Of course that America will be an infinitely better country ... based on all the black and brown brains that... will then proceed to bless us with a cornucopia of brilliant ideas, inventions and enterprises - "

I won't comment on the "black and brown brains" comment. Ignorant AND racist at the same time.

Just suggest you Google "Harminder Dua" to see a recent contribution from one of those "brown" brains.

edutcher said...

Uh, who ran the last Census?

And can we really trust it?

Last I looked, blacks as a group decreased, and the Hispanics are leaving.

Revenant said...

Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.

bagoh20 said...

This could also just be that the lump in the snake that is the boomer generation is mostly white. As that group passes, whites will die faster than they reproduce, but it tells you nothing about how it will settle out after the lump passes.

Methadras said...

This is great news to leftists. Their plans are working. Cloward-Piven, the decline of Caucasians, the ascent of minorities. A new slave culture. It will be South Africa in a 50 years.

Methadras said...

Revenant said...

Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.


Absolutely right, but when you do not have a massive assimilation nation, then you have a problem with the culture, not to mention that ever increasing rise of politically correct racial politics doesn't help this either. In effect, American culture is being stamped out in favor of the pocket multicultural diversity movement. Meaning that it's okay to institutionalize your specific culture within the halls of government and the auspices of policy making.

bagoh20 said...

"Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture"

Cheers! This is what matters. Whites as a whole have had a great and positive influence on the world, but I hope it's not anything genetic. Likely it isn't, since whites are so varied in ancestry. Hopefully it has just been the values they chose to adhere to. Those seem to create good outcomes when adopted by any group. Except of course for the brain farts of Socialism and Communism. Nobody bats 1000.

ricpic said...

Hey Dave, movin' on up to Harlem soon?...I thought not you smug hypocrite.

Dante said...

Yes, Racial suicide is a choice, that gets to be made by women. Let us not forget that. It's happening all over Europe, and now here.

In the end, whites will be remembered by the ruins of their accomplishments.

Crumbling empty malls, faded golden arches protruding occasionally from the ground, and the occasional hunted band of whites scantily clad, but many looking oddly like Jane Fonda.

The great coastal cities will be largely underwater, but some of the larger buildings will continue to peek above the water. These will mostly be the great financial institutions, and the local shaman will look with disdain at them to the youngsters and say "munee."

Unfortunately, most mammals are now dead, except the polar bear, and so most women will walk around covered in reeds, as everyone knows it is a sin for women to use their evil nature to entice men. It is a sign of wealth for a woman to walk around covered in polar bear furs.

edutcher said...

More to the point, if AmnestyCare dies the death it may be dying right now, then what takes its place is the Roe Effect and net negative immigration.

Be afraid, Lefties, be very, very afraid.

Dante said...

Likely it isn't, since whites are so varied in ancestry.

Actually, whites are pretty exclusive, and have low genetic diversity, compared to blacks, for instance.

Apparently a very small tribe exited Africa. I read once that the number of women who left was only 6.

Cedarford said...

Giant hole in this is "The Hispanic Race" - invented by two Jewish lawyers working for LBJ and cast since then as a "persecuted non-white minority" embraced as such by media, academia, and various government organs.
But there is no such thing. As schlock science it makes Al Gore look like Isaak Newton in comparison.
The term "hispanic" is laughed at in Latin and Central America, where you have designations of white, mixed white Indian if the Indian part is >40-50%, mulatto, "really Negro looking", and pure Indian.

Truth is that 40% of hispanics in America self-identify as white. And the number would be higher except kids are now taught that being thought of as hispanic, vs. white, may give them valuable bonus points in the future in school selection, employment and promotion...or the number that self-identify as white would be even higher.

So no, adding the hispanic, arab, Indian subcontinent, non-Euro origin Jews - the Caucasian population in the US is still growing. Quite a bit.

Dante said...

Revenant:

Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.

What's with all this hyphenated "Asian American," "African American" shit then?

Do you have kids?

Dave said...

"ricpic said...
Hey Dave, movin' on up to Harlem soon?...I thought not you smug hypocrite."

Well, ric - have you seen what properties are going for in Harlem these days?

Also, I've lived in multi-racial communitites most of my life. (Oh, and our property values resisted most of the collapse and have increased 17% in the last twelve months.) Urban living is cool, jackass.

Roughcoat said...

They can't take my mayonnaise from me.

If they do, I'll make my own.

It's really easy.

Dave said...

"Roughcoat said...
They can't take my mayonnaise from me."

But - mayo's FRENCH!!!! Didn't we outlaw that back in the day's of "freedom fries?"

AReasonableMan said...

One of the many legitimate knocks on the Democrats is that they take black voters for granted and rarely make any effort to advance their real economic interests.

But, much the same argument is true for the Republicans and white working people. Most of what Ann Coulter says in this article is true yet no one on the Republican side seems to give a damn because the current and future immigration policy of the country is beneficial to a small slice of very wealthy Republican donors.

The Dems at least they gain an electoral advantage out of this. The average Republican voter is just getting screwed.

David Hattersley said...


@Dante

These will mostly be the great financial institutions, and the local shaman will look with disdain at them to the youngsters and say "munee."


Taking up creative writing on your break?

Cedarford said...

Revenant said...
Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.
==================
Crap.
In a sense the MultiKultis were right. Certain races and ethnicities have a very difficult time, as a group, not individuals - assimilating into and advancing a host culture in a positive way.

Their folly was in believing everything would be just fine with a separate Islamist cluture living alongside French culture, etc, bettering all through "cherished diversity". Or Haitians would contribute more than they took from Floridians.

Race and characteristics of race help define culture, no getting around it. Why Japan is Japan, and why Ireland is Ireland...





Achilles said...

Revenant said...

Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.

6/13/13, 12:49 PM

The problem is who defines the culture. The MSM and democrat party have balkanized the races. Black people vote almost monolithicly for democrats and the hispanics that are here vote around 70%.

After losing segregation, Jim Crow, and slavery they have created a new plantation of racial preferences. Combined with the welfare state they have moved Black people into a permanent underclass again and the Hispanics are not far behind. They are bringing in a new wave of people that were poor in Mexico to to take low wage jobs. They advertise for food stamps and welfare in Mexico.

It is not about race. It is about whether or not we want to be a welfare state. It used to be that immigrants that came to the US were the hardest working people in the world. Hispanics that worked on our farm, along with my father, taught me how to work hard. The Asian community is made up of entrepreneurs that routinely put in 100 hour weeks.

The Democrats do not want those people. They want people on food stamps. The Republicans are absolutely retarded on this issue just as they are on the abortion issue. We should be welcoming with open arms people that come here to work and build businesses. But I swear there is a plot in the establishment to make the republicans look stupid on immigration.

Baron Zemo said...

Hey fewer white people worked out really great for Detroit.

Oh wait a minute.....

chuck said...

Evidently non whites are so backward and out of touch that they are still having children. No doubt better education and assimilation will cure that problem. Education and money are the best means of birth control.

William said...

"Beyond the pale." That expression originated in Ireland. Those English settlers who moved beyond the palisades of Dublin soon became Irish. Immigrants who move beyond the palisades of their own immigrant communities soon become American.....The absolute number of white Americans may very well decline but the most vibrant parts of their culture will continue to thrive. Being American is more fun than being Irish or Ugandan or Mexican, and most people who choose to live here will chose to become American.

jacksonjay said...


Ya'll did hear about Orlando Shaw over in Nashville? He had him 22 chilren by 14 different baby mamas!

The ladies loves me, said Orlando!

I can't pay no chile support, no one will hire me with a criminal record (disparate impact, indeed)!

The good news is that Orlando does support the State of Tennessee.
"But...I play the hell out of Tennessee lottery."

bagoh20 said...

Dante said:
"Apparently a very small tribe exited Africa. I read once that the number of women who left was only 6."

That's fascinating. If we assume that this very small band of humans were quite exceptional, then imagine what it was that caused them to leave. Were they forced out because the looked different or acted different, od did they leave because they were just exceptionally adventurous, or motivated. It's a very interesting question of why the exodus and why those who left are so different.

Renee said...

"Education and money are the best means of birth control."


STUDENT DEBT is the best means of birth control.

Our student loans got paid off, that's the only reason why we could afford four children.

Renee said...

"it tells you nothing about how it will settle out after the lump passes."

On the Baby Boomers, every town looks more and more like a retirement community in the NorthEast.

Palladian said...

Taking up creative writing on your break?

More like cheap liquor it seems.

Nomennovum said...

Progressives are taking this news with much glee. Fewer boring white folk means more and better Mexican and Chinese restaurants and cheaper and more plentful gardeners, all accompanied with a swelling sense of moral superiority, general smugness, and in-group mutual masturbation.

gerry said...

I read once that the number of women who left was only 6.

I'll bet they became very, very tired. Quickly.

Baron Zemo said...

Not every group is committing this demographic suicide.

Traditionalists such as Mormons, Orthodox Jews and Conservative Catholics are still having large families. It is the ultra liberal feminist urban types that are not having children or at most one when they are 45.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

El Pollo Raylan said...

@ricpic: The road to hell is "daved" with good intentions.

Baron Zemo said...

I mean do you really want Amanda Marcotte or Sandra Fluke or Lena Dunham to spawn?

Jon said...

Whites will remain the majority in the new country formed when the red states leave.

Renee said...

@Baron,

Those groups are too small to compensate, those who do not have children. Also the likelihood their children will not have children, once they assimilate into secular culture.

exhelodrvr1 said...

How were those 6 women chosen?

jacksonjay said...


Did that Wonkette thing reproduce? I hope we are spared her offspring!

I hear that Dunham is genius, so maybe it wouldn't be all bad have a little Girl!

prairie wind said...

The Republicans are absolutely retarded on this issue just as they are on the abortion issue. We should be welcoming with open arms people that come here to work and build businesses.


Assuming you think Repubs should be on the prolife side of the abortion issue, I agree with this. The GOP refuses to see that there are voters out there to be won.

Baron Zemo said...

The point is Renee is that those are the people who will not assimilate.
The Mormons and the Orthodox Jews have a long history and will be among the last holdouts.

I am also very pleased by the children I see at Mass these days. I hope the non-hispanic Catholics can continue to have large families. They are the ones that are in danger of turning away from traditionalism.

edutcher said...

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

One of the many legitimate knocks on the Democrats is that they take black voters for granted and rarely make any effort to advance their real economic interests.

apparently, true, Power Line notes the sellout of the otherwise loud-mouthed Congressional black Caucus on amnestyCare.

But, much the same argument is true for the Republicans and white working people. Most of what Ann Coulter says in this article is true yet no one on the Republican side seems to give a damn because the current and future immigration policy of the country is beneficial to a small slice of very wealthy Republican donors.

Troll's concern trolling is very touching, but the same sellout applies to white Democrats. They get the exact same shaft, but power is the end-all and be-all, right?

The Dems at least they gain an electoral advantage out of this. The average Republican voter is just getting screwed.

Oh, how cute! He's worried for the average Republican voter.

As for electoral advantage: first, the bill hasn't passed yet; second, unlike blacks, Hispanics raised in this country are a lot less loyal to the Demos.

Add to that the Roe Effect and net negative immigration, plus the kibosh ObamaTax will put on the country's economy (things already look better in Guadalajara), and AmnestyCare may turn into another winner like BarryCare.

Baron Zemo said...

The only way that people such as the Mormons of Orthodox Jews will have smaller families will be when the government will limit the number of white children allowed to be born to any one family.

You know. Like in the China that Thomas Friedman and the NY Times admire so much.

Revenant said...

The problem is who defines the culture. The MSM and democrat party have balkanized the races. Black people vote almost monolithicly for democrats and the hispanics that are here vote around 70%.

The second and third sentences have no relationship to the first sentence. Politics is not culture, and politicians successfully pandering to ethnic groups is neither new (it pretty much defined American politics in the latter half of the 19th century) nor limited to non-whites.

Renee said...

@Baron

The older white baby boomers are Mass I attend, believe that if the Catholic Church was more accepting of abortion more people would up.

The priests are Catholic and correctly share the Gospel, but seriously the parishioners drive them to drink. It's not the Faith that pushes men away from the vocation, it's dealing with us.


Simon said...

Renee, much as the conservative movement is beset by libertarians who call themselves conservatives, the Church is beset by protestants who call themselves Catholics. I've occasionally asked some of those people why they call themselves Catholic, or in what way they are Catholic; I've yet to get a convincing answer.

Revenant said...

"Who gives a rat's ass? Color is not culture.",

Crap.

Well I wouldn't expect you to agree, Cedarford. I've read Mein Kampf. :)

Roger J. said...

Demographics are destiny

Baron Zemo said...

Renee the baby boomers don't matter anymore. It is their children who are coming back to traditional values. The young twenty somethings with two and three kids in my parish are not baby boomers.

In fact they are kind of ashamed of their baby boomer parents and their attitudes.

Didn't some crackhead bitch sing "The children are our future!"

Baron Zemo said...

I will say that the priest makes the parish.

Our church is very kid friendly and the priest is not an old guy who gets mad if kids make a fuss. So as a result we have most of the young families in our parish as opposed to some of the others in the neighborhood. People travel a good long way for the right priest.

My cousin became a priest after a long career in the FBI. He preaches a mean sermon and it is amazing the tough guys who show up in his church. Ex-bikers. Ex-gang bangers. All around knuckleheads.

The priest makes the parish. Just sayn'

Revenant said...

Renee, much as the conservative movement is beset by libertarians who call themselves conservatives

One looks at the unbroken growth trend of government over the last 80 years and asks: what conservative movement?

Pretty much every "conservative" you've endorsed who actually held office governed like a Progressive-era Democrat. The only actual conservatism has been on social issues, and frankly those aren't important.

Baron Zemo said...

Simon those people are there for the ritual. A sense memory of what it should be like in milestone moments. Marriage. Baptism.

Those are the types that come to Mass for a Baptism and talk throughout the whole service. Or don't know any part of the Mass. You the types. The ones that sit in your seat and you want to punch them in the face.

Baron Zemo said...

I meant to say "You know the type."

Every year before Palm Sunday or Midnight Mass at Christmas, Father reminds us not to get angry at these cafeteria types who show up for their once a year visit. You just hope that something will stick with them and they might come back on a regular Sunday in Ordinary Time. Just sayn'

Dante said...

Bagoh,

It seems there are a number of stories, and it seems there may be some agendas clouding the most likely explanation.

It has been estimated that from a population of 2,000 to 5,000 individuals in Africa,[57] only a small group, possibly as few as 150 to 1,000 people, crossed the Red Sea.[58] Of all the lineages present in Africa only the female descendants of one lineage, mtDNA haplogroup L3, are found outside Africa. Had there been several migrations one would expect descendants of more than one lineage to be found outside Africa. L3's female descendants, the M and N haplogroup lineages, are found in very low frequencies in Africa (although haplogroup M1 is very ancient and diversified in North and Northeast Africa) and appear to be recent arrivals. A possible explanation is that these mutations occurred in East Africa shortly before the exodus and by the founder effect became the dominant haplogroups after the exodus from Africa. Alternatively, the mutations may have arisen shortly after the exodus from Africa.

If I understand this right, it means that all Asians and whites have a single common "Eve," that is uncommon in Africa. This eve lived at or around the exodus of Asians and whites from Africa. The essence is that there is a part of DNA that is only passed down by the mother (mtDNA). Since women do not reproduce with each other, it means that part of your DNA can be traced back to a single common mother.

The only way the mtDNA can be altered is through genetic mutation, and line L3 has many mutations to it.

There is a book I intend to read, to follow through on this:

"The Seven Daughters of Eve".

In any event, it also causes me to wonder about the mating of homo-sapiens with Neanderthals. If the mtDNA does not mix, then it was the chicks who mated with the Neanderthal dudes. That seems so wrong and disgusting to me.

Darrell said...

Sat thanks to Ted Kennedy for all of this.

In Hell.

Freeman Hunt said...

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Baron Zemo said...

Hey they were better off mating with those conservative Neanderthal dudes.

I mean those homo-sapiens....they were homo's dude!

Darrell said...

then it was the chicks who mated with the Neanderthal dudes

Do make the assumption that it was consensual, of course.

Freeman Hunt said...

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Baron Zemo said...

If fact I bet those metro sexual homo homo-sapiens wanted to get gay married or something.

Some of those cave paintings were really gay. Just sayn'

Freeman Hunt said...

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AReasonableMan said...

edutcher said...
but the same sellout applies to white Democrats. They get the exact same shaft, but power is the end-all and be-all, right?


But I already conceded this point. Dem politicians are clearly acting in their own very narrow political interests. The issue is why Republican politicians are getting a free pass when their actions are so fucking stupid with respect to their own mid-term political interest. Dem politicians are being bought but they gain something real, kind of like trophy wives. Repub politicians are just prostitutes, getting fucked for some cash up front.

Freeman Hunt said...

"But Frey said the natural decrease in whites suggests that aging whites will increasingly come to rely on the younger, mainly minority population to underwrite social programs that will sustain them."

Darn you, Evil Whites! Even when you're dying off, you're messing people over!

Meade said...

"...Census Bureau says that the ranks of white Americans will likely drop with every passing year."

I know. Until I was about 30 years-old, I passed as "white". After that, I got tired of trying. Now, whenever people narrow their eyes and say to me, "hey, Meade, you're not really white, are you?" I just shrug. Whatevs.

Freeman Hunt said...

As Rev already wrote, color isn't culture. I don't see how this is a big deal.

Revenant said...

In any event, it also causes me to wonder about the mating of homo-sapiens with Neanderthals. If the mtDNA does not mix, then it was the chicks who mated with the Neanderthal dudes. That seems so wrong and disgusting to me.

If they were *capable* of bearing children with Neanderthals it is probably inappropriate to consider us separate species instead of just separate bloodlines within a common species.

Sort of like a doberman mating with a poodle. The children might be a little weird looking compared to either parent, but not in a "abomination in the sight of God" sense.It would be

Nomennovum said...

Also, I've lived in multi-racial communitites most of my life. (Oh, and our property values resisted most of the collapse and have increased 17% in the last twelve months.) Urban living is cool, jackass. - Dave

Well, speaking of gleeful and self-satisfied progressive douches, there's smug, there preternaturally smug, and then there's Dave.

Colonel Angus said...

Well that news should make liberals happy.

Dante said...

As Rev already wrote, color isn't culture. I don't see how this is a big deal.

Stack up European/White progress for the world, and ask yourself the question "Why nowhere else?" Perhaps there wasn't enough time. Or perhaps there was something odd about whites (and Asians) that left Africa. And perhaps even odder things happened.

I don't know whether it's merely culture or not, but no one does.

So you can choose what you believe. Meanwhile, I hope white women continue to have babies, just in case the "culture" part of it doesn't pan out.

On the other hand, Jane Fonda used to be kind of hot.

El Pollo Raylan said...

As Rev already wrote, color isn't culture. I don't see how this is a big deal.

True dat. Language and associations play a big role part. I once passed as an ethnic German when I travelled about southern England with a small group of Germans, speaking German. I could feel the hatred in the people's stares.

I think the encroachment of Spanish into American life is divisive and frankly dangerous. You could take the Althouse position that it's good for Americans to be forced to learn a foreign language. I disagree--strongly--as does my wife, who is an immigrant.

Revenant said...

Darn you, Evil Whites! Even when you're dying off, you're messing people over!

Racial enmity may be a lousy reason for dismantling the welfare state, but hey. Silver linings and all that.

AllenS said...

Census Bureau? Is there a line on the form that you respond to that asks if you died? Or, asks if anyone in your family died?

There's a shit load of white children where I live.

Inga said...

"Well that news should make liberals happy."

6/13/13, 2:27 PM
I'm a white liberal, I had four children, I already have three grandchildren from one daughter, my three other children are still of child bearing age. See white liberals have children too. So we will be around as long as you are, heh.

Rabel said...

Well now. Looking for the actual Census Bureau data to determine if the Post article had any connection to reality (it did, more or less), I came across this FAQ.

It sure reads a little differently in light of recent revelations.

Tank said...

AReasonableMan said...

"edutcher said...
but the same sellout applies to white Democrats. They get the exact same shaft, but power is the end-all and be-all, right?"

But I already conceded this point. Dem politicians are clearly acting in their own very narrow political interests. The issue is why Republican politicians are getting a free pass when their actions are so fucking stupid with respect to their own mid-term political interest.


Why you think they are known as The Stupid Party? They earned it.

Colonel Angus said...

As Rev already wrote, color isn't culture.

So when I'm told its a black thing and I wouldn't understand.....

Meade said...

Inga, I don't think you're as liberal as you like to think you are. And I doubt you're all that white either.

Fernandinande said...

"I read once that the number of women who left was only 6."

That's fascinating.


A lot of nonsense is fascinating.

Current info supports multiple migrations out of Africa, interbreeding with Neandertals (John Hawks spelling) and Denisovans (both verified via DNA), and possibly migrations back into Africa.

Tim said...
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Tim said...

Regardless of race, why would anyone who is productive, excluding the multi-generational rich, have children?

After all, the growing tax and debt burden resulting from the growing non-productive classes will only get worse, not better.

Do you hate your unborn kids and grand-kids so much you'd send them that bill?

Inga said...

Meade, so what color am I ? Some of my ancestors came from the Black Forest, does that make me a person of color?

Colonel Angus said...

I'm a white liberal, I had four children, I already have three grandchildren from one daughter, my three other children are still of child bearing age. See white liberals have children too. So we will be around as long as you are, heh.

Good for you Ings. You must be one of the rare ones that isn't consumed with self loathing over your lack of pigmentation.

Meade said...

Tim said...
"Regardless of race, why would anyone who is productive, excluding the mulch-generational rich, have children?"

Actually, even for a mulch generationally rich guy like me, one daughter and two step sons is about my limit.

Levi Starks said...

I'm looking forward to minority status.
And all the perks that I'm sure will come with it.
Who knows maybe the Democrats will start pander to me....

Tim said...

"Actually, even for a mulch generationally rich guy like me, one daughter and two step sons is about my limit."

Busted before I fixed it, lol!

Although, it is a fact, given the arc of human life, we are all mulch-generational, some richer, others poorer, depending upon the mineral load, I think.

Colonel Angus said...

I'm looking forward to minority status. And all the perks that I'm sure will come with it. Who knows maybe the Democrats will start pander to me....

Oh I wouldn't count on that. I'll say it again but racial quotas and Affirmative Action will cease once whites are a minority in this country.

edutcher said...

AReasonableMan said...

but the same sellout applies to white Democrats. They get the exact same shaft, but power is the end-all and be-all, right?

But I already conceded this point. Dem politicians are clearly acting in their own very narrow political interests. The issue is why Republican politicians are getting a free pass when their actions are so fucking stupid with respect to their own mid-term political interest.


Do you hear Rubio or McCain or Grahamnesty getting a pass around here?

I sure as Hell don't, but, again, they're "your" Republicans, so "your" media is going to give them a free pass.

One thing to keep in mind, the dough-faces were "your" Whigs.

Look up what happened.

Dem politicians are being bought but they gain something real, kind of like trophy wives.

They are?

Like what?

Sooner or later, the reality catches up, particularly when wages drop to zero and Jose and JosB het first prority on all the government goodies. Their "electoral advantage" may be about as long-lived as the Peace Dividend.

Repub politicians are just prostitutes, getting fucked for some cash up front.

And the Demos are different?

Inga said...

Well that news should make liberals happy.

I'm a white liberal, I had four children, I already have three grandchildren from one daughter, my three other children are still of child bearing age. See white liberals have children too. So we will be around as long as you are, heh.


One of those daughters the "Marine" "corpseman"?

If the rest are like her, they're about as real as that swell medical care you're going to get starting Jan 1.

Hope you can afford the premiums.

And don't do anything to tick off the Silver Haired Angel of Death. Deciding who lives and who dies may be above Choom's pay grade, but it's not above hers.

gerry said...

We need to mulch tax the generationally mulch rich. Let's spread the mulch around. Y'know?

Revenant said...

Stack up European/White progress for the world, and ask yourself the question "Why nowhere else?"

First of all there is no "white/European" culture. There isn't even a common European culture *today*, as anyone following the northern/southern debate over the Euro and inflation can tell you.

Secondly, there was no "European/white progress". There were periodic bursts of progress from a handful of European and non-European cultures (anyone who thinks we'd be here without Chinese and Indian contributions has never read a history book) which neighboring cultures cribbed from.

Most importantly, what Europe had going for it was balkanization. There were many attempts to impose a common culture on Europe, but they all failed. In China (for example) they succeeded... and China, which was once far ahead of Europe, proceeded to stagnate.

Which is what makes it so ironic that people are fighting tooth and nail to prevent any change to the composition of the United States. Stasis will always be the enemy of creativity.

(obligatory book plug: "The Future and Its Enemies" by Virginia Postrel)

Dante said...

Current info supports multiple migrations out of Africa, interbreeding with Neandertals (John Hawks spelling) and Denisovans (both verified via DNA), and possibly migrations back into Africa.

There is a single maternal line outside of Africa, which suggests a single migration.

Joe said...

If you have a baby boom, you're going to have a death boom.

The only way that people such as the Mormons of Orthodox Jews will have smaller families...

Don't know about Orthodox Jews, but Mormons are having smaller families, tracking very close to the national average, but about 10 to 20 years behind.

Inga said...
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Baron Zemo said...

Damn straight. Without those clever chinamen we would never had fireworks, nail parlors or noodles.

Fuck that Renaissance bullshit. It's a lot of baloney. Those white devils never did anything but keep a brother down.

Cedarford said...

Fernandinande said...
"I read once that the number of women who left was only 6."

==================
Theories keep coming and are embraces as "true!" by media. Especially "African Eve".

It is looking like there were multiple migrations, inc. two main ones (waves) of modern homo sapiens...which intebred with the descendents of migrations of non-homo sapiens, notably Neanderthals and Denisovians.

Inga said...

Edutcher, she is a Navy Corpsman attached to the 1st MLG. You are quite disrespectful to our troops, shame. Also the only grandchildren you will ever have are of the canine variety (thank you God for being wise in not giving you children), alas they can't vote.


Revenant said...

So when I'm told its a black thing and I wouldn't understand.....

Are we to pretend you ever accepted that statement as true?

In all seriousness, though, whenever anyone makes a comment like that to you, reply along the lines of "don't give me that racist nonsense. If you don't think I understand it, explain it to me."

Colonel Angus said...

Which is what makes it so ironic that people are fighting tooth and nail to prevent any change to the composition of the United States.

Or its possible that people are fighting tooth and nail to insist on an orderly immigration policy rather than the 'ollie ollie oxen free' policy that is being advocated on the left side of the aisle.

BarrySanders20 said...

I did not read all of the comments, but a slump ceratinly calls for a slump-buster.

Althouse can urban-dictionary that one to see if that might solve the white birth slump.

Baron Zemo said...

You do know that Cleopatra was a dead ringer for Nene Leakes and that there were skyscrapers in Kemet while those white devils were wearing skins and hiding from Grendel's mother.

bagoh20 said...

" then it was the chicks who mated with the Neanderthal dudes. That seems so wrong and disgusting to me."

The guys were a little hairy - no big deal for the ladies, but Neander Chicks? No way they were getting laid by bald crackers with shaved chest hair. In fact, I think the Neanderthals died off because their women were just so freaking ugly that the Sapien babes were getting all the dates.


Dante said...


It is looking like there were multiple migrations, inc. two main ones (waves) of modern homo sapiens...which intebred with the descendents of migrations of non-homo sapiens, notably Neanderthals and Denisovians.


Yes, but all whites and Asians have one common mother, from mtDNA L3. That line is rare in Africa, strongly indicating a single migration out of Africa. Also, it means the white dudes didn't mate with the female Neanderthals. Though women might have.

gerry said...

Heh.

Colonel Angus said...

Are we to pretend you ever accepted that statement as true?

In all seriousness, though, whenever anyone makes a comment like that to you, reply along the lines of "don't give me that racist nonsense. If you don't think I understand it, explain it to me."


No it just goes to the point that while you think color is not culture, you're going to have a hard time convincing the eventual majority of that.

I'll agree with your premise to the extent third world immigrants which seem to be the majority coming here will actually assimilate. Considering we resist efforts and in fact facilitate their maintaing their native lifestyle, I don't hold out much hope. But that's me.

Baron Zemo said...

What a load of bullshit. There are still Neanderthal chicks around today!

Luckily they don't dig guys.

AReasonableMan said...

Colonel Angus said...
Or its possible that people are fighting tooth and nail to insist on an orderly immigration policy rather than the 'ollie ollie oxen free' policy that is being advocated on the left side of the aisle.


What part of bipartisan gang of eight did you not get?

Revenant said...

There is a single maternal line outside of Africa, which suggests a single migration.

If you're talking about the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups, there is no consensus about whether one, two, or more of them migrated out of Africa during prehistoric times.

From what I've read, the "one line that then split in Asia" theory makes the most sense, but who knows? We don't have the data to make a solid guess.

Nomennovum said...

"You are quite disrespectful to our troops, shame."

Next sentence: "Thank you God for being wise in not giving you children."

Ah! Ingrish respect: You thank God for the misfortune of others.

Michael K said...

It's interesting to watch my left wing children grow more racist than their parents. Of course, they deny it indignantly if you say so.

My generation was so hopeful. Now we see what this regime looks like. Adam Clayton Powell would be so proud.

Darrell said...

Which is what makes it so ironic that people are fighting tooth and nail to prevent any change to the composition of the United States.

Even more ironic because it's not true. This country went from 90% white in the early sixties to what it is today based soley on Federal Gov't policy and 2 million plus legal immigrants--and perhaps the same number of illegal--each and every year. People from contries that were part of the makeup at the time were specifically excluded--or severly restricted--from the new makeup. And most people didn't complain one single bit. "Fighting tooth and nail" indeed. Fucking liar.

Nomennovum said...

Color is not culture.

Well, we whites certainly seem to believe that. Now go tell the blacks, American Indians, and east Asians that, please.

Baron Zemo said...

To paraphrase Helmuth von Moltke the Elder:

No plan survives contact with reality.

Sorun said...

"Now it’s minorities who are going to make the contributions to our economic and population growth over the next 50 years."

Some minorities to former, other minorities to the latter.

Marshal said...

Colonel Angus said...
Oh I wouldn't count on that. I'll say it again but racial quotas and Affirmative Action will cease once whites are a minority in this country.


This is overly optimistic. Race preferences will continue for the same groups that receive them now even after whites are a minority. The supporters of race preferences don't care about majority/minority status or proportional participation, these are just talking points for the rubes.

Thomas Sowell wrote an excellent chapter in one of his older books describing how race preferences can always be justified as correcting "under-representation". Job classifications can be split into literally thousands of different groups, and there is no standard. So RP supporters are free to choose whatever classification makes their case. In a circumstance with that many options there will always be one which shows the desired results.

In his book he points out that an overwhelmingly minority federal department nevertheless classified an open position as an AA hire because the specific job was the only one of its type in the department. As such minorities would be underrepresented should the position be filled by a white employee. This philosophy can be applied to literally every position. There is always something that differentiates between jobs.

The truth is we're literally never getting rid of race preferences until the SC reverses course and admits the Equal Protection Clause covers all Americans.

Nomennovum said...

No plan survives contact with reality.

Ever notice how reality isn't terribly poilite when it reminds us of its existence? You can avert your eyes from its ugliness for only so long.

Colonel Angus said...

What part of bipartisan gang of eight did you not get?

You obviously suffer the delusion that having (R) behind your name means rightwing.

Dante said...

Considering we resist efforts and in fact facilitate their maintaing their native lifestyle, I don't hold out much hope. But that's me.

It's me too.

Dante said...

Well, we whites certainly seem to believe that

No we don't. Multi-culturalism and it's evil twin sister PCism were invented by White Europeans.

Revenant said...

No it just goes to the point that while you think color is not culture, you're going to have a hard time convincing the eventual majority of that.

Your leap from "some black people are obsessed with race" to "non-white people are obsessed with race" is not justified by your single data point. :)

Honestly, you need to read more history. How ethnic groups feel about themselves and other groups isn't a constant. It changes radically from generation to generation. For example, you and others here seem to believe in some sort of "white culture". Americans living 80 years ago would have stared at you with a blank expression, since everybody knew that Catholics and Jews and, ugh, eastern Europeans were nothing like good old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Etc, etc.

Broomhandle said...

As I noted in a different thread when whites can flaunt Official Oppressed Minority status they will become absolutely ferocious players of the Identity politics game. I'm guessing that at that time a whole lot of AA and other entitlement crap will be junked. It just may be the salvation of this country.

AReasonableMan said...

Colonel Angus said...
What part of bipartisan gang of eight did you not get?

You obviously suffer the delusion that having (R) behind your name means rightwing.


This kind of BS is exactly why the outcomes that currently exist occurred. Rubio, McCain and the oleaginous Lindsay Graham are all yours brother.

The obsessive drive for a constant flux of low cost labor into the county does not come from the 'left'.

Cedarford said...

Revenant said...
Stack up European/White progress for the world, and ask yourself the question "Why nowhere else?"

First of all there is no "white/European" culture. There isn't even a common European culture *today*, as anyone following the northern/southern debate over the Euro and inflation can tell you.

Secondly, there was no "European/white progress".

=========================
Ever hear of Western Civilization? Without the Open Borders libertarian cant and the progressives lecturing us that we owe most of it to the Arabs, the wise Africans, the Chinese, and Indians??


***************
More Revenent: "Which is what makes it so ironic that people are fighting tooth and nail to prevent any change to the composition of the United States. Stasis will always be the enemy of creativity."

Sometimes conquerers add to a good synergy. Other times the barbarian invasions of a Rome or Arabs swarming into the Levant or Iran or N India stultify all creativity and progress. Wost case, completely collapse the existing civilization in the process.

Sometimes great innovation comes from long cultural growth of a single people free of invading armies or immigrants bringing "blessed diversity". Then with norms and peace..diverting their attentions to creative paths. Instead of fighting or trying to keep unstable "multikulti elements and what they do to deteriorate cities" from getting worse.
Or who held off "new peoples" seeking to populate their lands. (Greece, the Japanese, early Romans, America blessed by two great oceans as borders blocking new Hordes..)
If you look to great innovative spurts, more often than not it is a stable culture with shared norms, a single language.

Greece, Elizabethan England, 100% Germans in reunified Germany, Japan and China's great leaps in culture...the all-North Italian Renaissance. Even the Caliphate , the only brief golden period of the Muslims..happened at a time when war and cultural mixing were on hiatus.


edutcher said...

Inga said...

Edutcher, she is a Navy Corpsman attached to the 1st MLG. You are quite disrespectful to our troops, shame. Also the only grandchildren you will ever have are of the canine variety (thank you God for being wise in not giving you children), alas they can't vote.

Yes, but you kept telling us she was a jarhead.

You lied.

Just like that "traitor", Edward Snowden.

And the way you try to use a fictitious daughter to make all your blather sacrosanct is the real disrespect.

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

Or its possible that people are fighting tooth and nail to insist on an orderly immigration policy rather than the 'ollie ollie oxen free' policy that is being advocated on the left side of the aisle.

What part of bipartisan gang of eight did you not get?


It's as bipartisan as the Nazis and the Quislings (or the Vichy French).

PS Somebody tell the She Devil of the SS that swell health care about which she's cackling probably won't be affordable for lower income workers.

Like her.

edutcher said...

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

What part of bipartisan gang of eight did you not get?

You obviously suffer the delusion that having (R) behind your name means rightwing.


This kind of BS is exactly why the outcomes that currently exist occurred. Rubio, McCain and the oleaginous Lindsay Graham are all yours brother.


Oh, no, Chuckie Schumer told us they're "your" Republicans

The obsessive drive for a constant flux of low cost labor into the county does not come from the 'left'

Really?

Then why is that noted Lefty, Chuckie Schumer, the Godfather of AmnestyCare?

CJinPA said...

Left unspoken is that the Left believes America is illegitimate - it was founded on genocide and stolen land.

The reason the demise of European Americans is so cheerfully reported every Census is it represents the ultimate, inevitable atonement. Simply put, we’re supposed to go along quietly – which we are – because we are giving up the land we stole.

Baron Zemo said...

There are forces at work that want to destroy white culture at it's roots.

On of the most devastating blows was the forced bankruptcy of Hostess Brands. No more Twinkies. No more Ring Dings. No more Yankee fucking doodles.

But worst of all was the end of "Wonder bread." The ultimate symbol of white people everywhere. What symbolize white culture more than "White Bread."

I am just glad that Ozzie and Harriet Nelson did not live to see this day.

Meade said...

Even the Black Forest isn't really black. But it is silva.

Dante said...

Honestly, you need to read more history. How ethnic groups feel about themselves and other groups isn't a constant. It changes radically from generation to generation. For example, you and others here seem to believe in some sort of "white culture".

It's called Western Civilization. You might want to do some reading about it.

Nomennovum said...

Color is not culture.

I am sure this is correct in some way, but imagine this:

1. Have a friend blindfold you. He takes you some obscure little village anywhere in Europe that he has magically emptied of people. How long do you think it will take you to realize you are in place created and populated by white people (i.e., Europeans or their decendants)?

2. Have a friend play various pieces of musical compositions for you that he knows you haven't heard before. How long do you think it will take to figure out which are likely to have been composed by people of European, Asian, or African decent?

3. Do the same experiment with literature (translated of course).

4. Repeat with food.

5. And art.

Marshal said...

AReasonableMan said...
The obsessive drive for a constant flux of low cost labor into the county does not come from the 'left'.


Amnesty is not about cheap labor, it's about cheap voters.

Revenant said...

Well, we whites certainly seem to believe that. Now go tell the blacks, American Indians, and east Asians that, please.

You think you need to tell an American Indian that Cherokee isn't the same as Navajo? Or tell an east Asian that Chinese and Japanese people have different cultures?

Have ya actually MET someone who wasn't white? I gotta wonder. Heck, even among black Americans it is common for African immigrants to deny belonging to the same group as black Americans. As well they should, since they've got nothing in common besides skin tone.

Baron Zemo said...

What cultural icons are left for White Americans.

Elvis has left the building.

Wonder Bread is no more.

Mayor Bloomberg is moving to ban Hellman's mayonnaise in all five boroughs.

The only thing we have left is Honey Boo Boo.

edutcher said...

Pass me the seppuku knife when you're done with it.

Revenant said...

Amnesty is not about cheap labor, it's about cheap voters

The correct answer is "all of the above".

AReasonableMan said...

To Colonel Angus, edutcher and any of the other total fucking dummies trying to promulgate the idea that the high rates of low cost labor immigration into this country is a 'left' idea should wise up. Did you actually watch how Sean Hannity reversed on a dime on this issue? He's a paid clown parroting the company line, as apparently are most Republican politicians.

Low cost labor is the wet dream of industrialists and financiers, not union workers, the poor or any one who gives a fuck about wealth disparity in the country.

Aridog said...

In @ Rabel's cited FAQ...

When we process the information collected by the American Community Survey (ACS), individuals’ names and other personal identifiers are deleted from the files used to tabulate these data. We do not maintain a national database with the names, addresses, and personal information collected by the ACS.

...at least not "wittingly", to be spoken with one's right hand scratching one's tilted head in a *tell.* :-)

AReasonableMan said...

Marshal said...
Amnesty is not about cheap labor, it's about cheap voters.


But, why are there so many illegal immigrants in the country in the first place? That is about cheap labor. Your are completely confused over the basic underlying issue.

I Callahan said...

To Colonel Angus, edutcher and any of the other total fucking dummies trying to promulgate the idea that the high rates of low cost labor immigration into this country is a 'left' idea should wise up

Could you please point out the instance where either of the above posters said that?

Here are the facts: The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the future welfare voters.

Can we at least come to that understanding?

Dante said...


Your leap from "some black people are obsessed with race" to "non-white people are obsessed with race" is not justified by your single data point. :)


La Raza.
NAACP.
East Asians are quite insular.
Japanese.
Muslims.

Then there are Jews. I don't know whether they are considered white or not, but they are the "Chosen people." I dated a girl in High School who flat out told me we had no chance because I wasn't Jewish.

Chinese and other asians seem to inter-marry with whites, though.

Let's face it, racism is part of humans. Especially with visible artifacts like skin color. For instance, I know a number of guys who are "yellow," that is they only date Asian women.

How could this be? Our brains are wired to associate things. You can try as you might to stamp it out, but it's there.

Nomennovum said...

But it is silva.

*Groan* You wood tell a Latin joke.

Meade said...

gerry said...
Heh.

6/13/13, 3:02 PM


Kids, just give me 1,071,472,427 seconds more and I'll get out of your hair.

Nomennovum said...

You think you need to tell an American Indian that Cherokee isn't the same as Navajo.

I think you're missing the point.

Dante said...

The correct answer is "all of the above".

You don't need more citizens to increase the worker pool. You could have a viable guest worker program, for instance.

So yes, it is about votes.

Alex said...

Congrats Althouse, another race-baiting article. Well done for stirring up the hornet's nest of hillbillies and other assorted riff raff.

Cedarford said...

edutcher -

"Yes, but you kept telling us she was a jarhead.

You lied."

No, she didn't.
A certain number of Navy Corpsmen become embedded in the Marines as medics and spend their whole time in as an integral part of the Marine, not Navy, organization. And generally tend to think of themselves as Marines, embracing the whole culture and ethos.
Marine Vet groups have specific language to admit Navy medics in their ranks.

You don't understand how this works. I do, and I was AF. What branch did you serve in??

Nomennovum said...

Amnesty is not about cheap labor, it's about cheap voters.


It certainly does a number on low-skilled workers as a side-effect, though. But I guess getting them on the dole does tend to have positive effects at the polls as well.

Titus said...

Look at that bright side. There will be an influx of brown uncut hog.

Meade said...

Nomennovum said...
Color is not culture.

I am sure this is correct in some way, but imagine this:

1. Have a friend blindfold you. He takes you some obscure little village anywhere in Europe that he has magically emptied of people. How long do you think it will take you to realize you are in place created and populated by white people (i.e., Europeans or their decendants)?

2. Have a friend play various pieces of musical compositions for you that he knows you haven't heard before. How long do you think it will take to figure out which are likely to have been composed by people of European, Asian, or African decent?

3. Do the same experiment with literature (translated of course).

4. Repeat with food.

5. And art.

Those things have very little to do with white people. Western civ was created mostly by people who never thought of themselves as white but Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Jewish, Slavic, Latin, and other ethnic and linguistic groups.

Dante said...

Congrats Althouse, another race-baiting article. Well done for stirring up the hornet's nest of hillbillies and other assorted riff raff.

Oh, you must be one of those non-judgmental leftists I've heard so much about. You know, the ones who would never call the pot black.

Alex said...

Dante - I'm a well-heeled, well-scrubbed, elite not from a hillbilly town. Therefore I can cast aspersions.

Marshal said...

AReasonableMan said...
Your are completely confused over the basic underlying issue.


Says the person desperate to attribute complicated human activity to a single tangential cause because it fits his political preferences.

Nomennovum said...

Have ya actually MET someone who wasn't white?

Met. And friended, fought, and fucked, Revenant. I'm beginning to think that you see nothing but color.

AReasonableMan said...

I Callahan said...
The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the future welfare voters.


It is genuinely distressing to me that you idiots don't get this. A constant influx of cheap labor is not the dream of any leftist on this planet. Do you know anything about 'left' ideology? Literally anything at all? Where the fuck do you get these ideas?

Dante said...

Dante - I'm a well-heeled, well-scrubbed, elite not from a hillbilly town. Therefore I can cast aspersions.

Don't you mean you are UNABLE to cast aspersions? Therefore anything that looks that way is obviously being misunderstood by those who do not appreciate nuance.

Alex said...

Dante - what I'm saying is I'm proud to be bigoted against racists.

Marshal said...

I Callahan said...
Here are the facts: The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the future welfare voters.

Can we at least come to that understanding?


Let's be more accurate: A small slice of Rebs want cheap labor but are actively and vociferously opposed by the majority of the party. Meanwhile a wide swath of Dems, certainly a majority, want future voters and are opposed by a tiny minority of Dems whose opposition is theoretical but politically meaningless.

Inga said...

Edutcher, I'm loath to even respond to your continuous nonsense about the existence of my children, but really, what IS wrong with you? Just because YOU are infertile, no one else has real live children? My God, you are a moron.

AReasonableMan said...
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Dante said...

Dante - what I'm saying is I'm proud to be bigoted against racists.

Sorry, we are all racists. You just deny it in an attempt to feel superior.

Colonel Angus said...

Your leap from "some black people are obsessed with race" to "non-white people are obsessed with race" is not justified by your single data point. :)

Honestly, you need to read more history.


I'll get right on it.

AReasonableMan said...

Dante said...
You don't need more citizens to increase the worker pool. You could have a viable guest worker program, for instance.


Why the fuck would anyone on the 'left' agree to have a pool of cheap non-citizen labor invade the fucking country?

All you are saying is that Dem politicians are not willing to completely sell the citizenry down the river, unlike their Repub counterparts who would in fact welcome such a plan.

bagoh20 said...

If you think all hillbillies are white, and that calling people "hillbillies" is a cool insult, then you might be a bigot.

X said...

Dante said...
Sorry, we are all racists. You just deny it in an attempt to feel superior.


I believe Alex is not racist. it is Thursday today isn't it?

Marshal said...
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Marshal said...

AReasonableMan said...
I Callahan said...
The Republicans want the cheap labor, the Democrats want the future welfare voters.

It is genuinely distressing to me that you idiots don't get this. A constant influx of cheap labor is not the dream of any leftist on this planet


It's funny watching such a reasonable commenter froth at the mouth because he can't admit his party believes the votes are worth the harm that will accrue to those it claims to be an advocate for.

Colonel Angus said...

ARM and the 'other fuckin dummies' who think the rightwing are the ones crying racism for demanding we enforce our immigration laws and that Hispanics should follow the same rules as Africans, Asians and Europeans should wise up.

gadfly said...

Gosh - this is really surprising news. Old Baby Boomers almost never die - they simply succumb to excessive flatulence.

Be on the alert for new announcements from Rome that the Pope is Catholic and from NOAA that the sun will continue to rise in the East.

Inga said...

Meade are you trying to say I'm Hispanic? Sorry, but no I'm not, just a very boring German, with dark hair, of course we know Germans are all blond and blue eyed, so I'm suspect.

X said...

out before Inga's Law is invoked...

Titus said...

I'm white and proud.

I am really white too.

AReasonableMan said...

Marshal said...
A small slice of Rebs want cheap labor but are actively and vociferously opposed by the majority of the party. Meanwhile a wide swath of Dems, certainly a majority, want future voters and are opposed by a tiny minority of Dems whose opposition is theoretical but politically meaningless.


You keep telling yourself this comforting little fairy tale on those cold, cold nights when FOX News is selling your children's future earning power down the river.

FOX News could kill this bill any time they want.

Nomennovum said...

Those things have very little to do with white people. Western civ was created mostly by people who never thought of themselves as white but Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Jewish, Slavic, Latin, and other ethnic and linguistic groups. - Meade

Not exactly, but I see your point. Tribalism exists and always has. I am not disputing that. And, true, Euros probaly never thought of themselves as white .. till they met a "black."

My point is there are certain cultural attributes common to all Europeans other than the color of their skin. We know them even without thinking of them.

Think of how you would conduct the cultural experiment that I outlined: "[*Taking off blindfold*] Hmm. This looks like a place that could be in Europe, or somewhere that had been settled by them, based on the architecture. Let me look some more ... Hey, look at that: the houses are mostly of wood, tar shingles on the roofs, some plastic siding, big grass lawns, wild, un-pruned trees in the yards. Yup. Whites must live here. More specifically: Americans. What's this I see? A small statue of the Madonna in the yard. Gosh! Catholic Americans!"

See? Larger culture ---> subcultures. It wouldn't take too long to figure out wheter you were in an Italian neighborhood, I bet, by the smell of the cooking ... all without seeing a soul.

Meade said...

"I am really white too. "

I think the technical term for that is "colorless".

Titus said...

My husband is brown and I call him "brownie" to his face. He has a british accent though which is such a wonderful contrast. You expect Abu to speak but you get Tony Blair.

He says he is very light for a Hindi.

He also says Indian's from India made for life.

Most people think he's Italian.

He's really fucking hot and rich and younger than me too but pays for everything.

Titus said...

Mate not made.

tits.

Titus said...

I am white but very colorful.

Inga looks jewish too me.

I love jews.

Marshal said...

Nomennovum said...
Amnesty is not about cheap labor, it's about cheap voters.
It certainly does a number on low-skilled workers as a side-effect, though.


I'm sure those leftists who support amnesty believe the negative aspects will be offset by the additional government employment and welfare benefits they'll offer once the Dems have full political control.

Of course the Dem plan will bankrupt the country, but no one on the left is both economically literate and unselfish enough to care what American economic conditions will be in 50 years.

AReasonableMan said...

Marshal said...
It's funny watching such a reasonable commenter froth at the mouth because he can't admit his party believes the votes are worth the harm that will accrue to those it claims to be an advocate for.


Dummy, if you read what I had written you would have seen that I have very little respect for the Dems strategy on this issue.

But, they are playing a losing hand. The flux of cheap labor into the country is created by big business and agribusiness. They have to deal with this fait accompli.

Titus said...

My hog head is pink though.

Titus said...

My shaved pubes are light brown.

Marshal said...

AReasonableMan said...
You keep telling yourself this comforting little fairy tale on those cold, cold nights when FOX News is selling your children's future earning power down the river.

FOX News could kill this bill any time they want.


Our new Reasonable Man Theory:

Democrats enact amnesty, FOXNEWS to blame.

Not quite as good as "World To End: Minorities, Women Hardest Hit". But still funny.

Titus said...

My erect sculpted nipples are magenta.

AReasonableMan said...

Marshal said...
I'm sure those leftists who support amnesty believe the negative aspects will be offset by the additional government employment and welfare benefits they'll offer once the Dems have full political control.

Of course the Dem plan will bankrupt the country, but no one on the left is both economically literate and unselfish enough to care what American economic conditions will be in 50 years.


This is just FOX fantasyland propaganda. No one in the real world talks like this.

To come on here and parrot this stupid propaganda as if you are a sentient being is insulting to everyone involved. Read a fucking book, go and talk to some real people for a change, get out of the echo chamber and think for yourself.

Nomennovum said...

My shaved pubes are light brown.

Keep 'em shaved. Otherwise you may soon discover they're gray.

Or silva.

Titus said...

A parking spot went for $560,000 in Boston today. No garage or anything just a spot in an alley in the Back Bay.

So fab.

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