June 25, 2013

Did Justice Alito roll his eyes while Justice Ginsburg was speaking?

Garrett Epps and Dana Milbank think so.

Milbank says "Alito visibly mocked his colleague":
Ginsburg, the second woman to serve on the high court, was making her argument about how the majority opinion made it easier for sexual harassment to occur in the workplace when Alito, seated immediately to Ginsburg’s left, shook his head from side to side in disagreement, rolled his eyes and looked at the ceiling.
Epps:
... Alito pursed his lips, rolled his eyes to the ceiling, and shook his head "no." He looked for all the world like Sean Penn as Jeff Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, signaling to the homies his contempt for Ray Walston as the bothersome history teacher, Mr. Hand. 
I don't trust the descriptions of Epps and Milbank. Maybe we could get some more discussion of the meaning of Alito's head — from some observers who like him. And then I could calculate the truth from there. But what would be better would be  cameras in the Supreme Court chambers. This is a new argument for cameras in the Supreme Court — to protect Samuel Alito from calumny.

Amusingly, Epps begins his little article with:
I suspect that the cause of cameras in the Supreme Court suffered a blow on Monday. I am glad the nation did not see first-hand Justice Samuel Alito's display of rudeness to his senior colleague, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.  Because Alito's mini-tantrum was silent, it will not be recorded in transcript or audio; but it was clear to all with eyes, and brought gasps from more than one person in the audience.
It wasn't clear to me, and I have eyes.

Nice of Epps to want to protect me and the rest of Americans who didn't make it into the courtroom that day, but I prefer to be free to look things and form my own opinion, not to get second-hand descriptions from partisans and polemicists.

And by the way, the notion that female Justices command stronger displays of decorum than male Justices is sexist. Show some real respect.

AND: Do I detect anti-Italian prejudice? Alito is too visibly expressive. He's like a movie character with an Italian name (Spicoli)? The rule is your face should be a mask? WASP-style?

ALSO: Remember the words of one of the world's greatest Italian-Americans:



MOREOVER: Want to bet that if emotions played across the visage of Sonia Sotomayor while Alito or Scalia were articulating some nugget of conservatism that media's Epps and Milbanks would tell us that this — this! — was the empathy Obama said was essential to judging?

AND: A new post highlighting comments about what's wrong with likening Alito to Spicoli.

117 comments:

AprilApple said...

I'd roll my eyes at her. How can you not?

EMD said...

Nice of Epps to want to protect me and the rest of Americans who didn't make it into the courtroom that day, but I prefer to be free to look things and form my own opinion, not to get second-hand descriptions from partisans and polemicists.

THIS IS THE JOURNALISM.

elkh1 said...

Alito wasn't allowed to say "it's not true" when the POTUS lied in front of 300 million American people. Of course he's not allowed to move a muscle when his colleagues speak.

AprilApple said...

I'm rolling my eyes at Dana Milbank right now.

Matthew Sablan said...

Maybe he can choke her next time. I hear that's how they do it in Wisconsin.

Baron Zemo said...

But then they would show Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg hitting Clarence Thomas with her string purse whenever he said something.

That wouldn't be good for the liberals.

So it is a trade off.

gregq said...

Ah, the ever present lefty projection of their failures onto the right.

Ginsburg was the one throwing a tantrum, it's there, right in the record.

Tibore said...

Agitprop: Not just for revolutionaries anymore.

Simon said...

It's just a petty little thing—an attempt to disqualify decisions written by Alito because he's "rude." No one's buying it except the people who already discount those cases.

Meade said...

[...]brought gasps from more than one person in the audience.

More than one? You mean like two? Two -- named Epps and Milbank. Gasping impolitely.

I Callahan said...

Good. I hope Alito did what they're accusing him of. She deserved it.

Anyone who would consider her legal reasoning here anything but illogical liberal tripe needs to be given the same reaction.

Mary Beth said...

It was rude of Milbank and Epps to be watching Alito instead of Ginsburg while she was speaking.

AllenS said...

The next thing you'll know is that Alito will will be moving his hands all around when he's talking.

Mary Beth said...

Madonna is one of the world's greatest Italians?

chrisnavin.com said...

If I recall, that churlish, intolerant Alito disagreed visibly when Obama had the Court there to hear his pronouncements on the Citizens United decision.

King Obama offered his hand in good faith, and Alito denied its caress. Now this brute is openly mocking a tiny Jewish woman with big brains and an even bigger heart.

What a beastly man. Beastly, I say.

EMD said...

Madonna is one of the world's greatest Italians?

Funny, her being from Detroit and all ...

Temujin said...

She's eminently mockable. Has been for years.

Not sure about Alito's decorum, but I am sure that Milbank is making a case that Alito is a sexist.
"Ginsburg, the second woman to serve on the high court, was making her argument..."

How important to this story is the fact that she's the 2nd woman on the court. Are we going to count now? When do we stop counting? At #5? #16?

What's the proper number to stop pointing that sort of thing out? Just wondering.

Original Mike said...

Can't we confirm this by reference to the court sketch artist?

AJ Lynch said...

Get a pool going so we can vote how soon it will be before Obama demonizes the majority for having partisan motives in reaching this verdict.

Ann Althouse said...

"Madonna is one of the world's greatest Italians?"

She's one of the world's greatest human beings, so she's obviously "one of the greatest" in any category that she's in that doesn't involve specific aspects of greatness.

I wouldn't call her one of the world's greatest mothers or dancers.

dreams said...

I'm giving Dana Milbank the finger right now. I'd love to be able to give the liberal justices rabbit ears.

Ann Althouse said...

Okay, I changed it to Italian-Americans.

gerry said...

Remember this?

And as for Madonna, she's certainly willing to shock anyone.

dreams said...

I was thinking Madonna was Jewish.

chrisnavin.com said...

This just in:

Feisty freedom-loving Jewish woman dismissed by beastly Italian-American patriarch.

Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Alito.

Why do you hate freedom? Why do you feel contempt for freedom's children?

dbp said...

I wouldn't blame Alito for rolling his eyes. My bet is that if he did roll his eyes, it was far more subtle than described by Milbank.

dreams said...

Though I'm not that knowledgeable of Madonna.

Amartel said...

Spicoli never rolled his eyes at Mr. Hand. If Alito had ordered a pizza to be delivered to the well at the Supreme Court, or called Ginsburg a "dick" that would be, like, a totally different story.

Lem said...

No to cameras in the Supreme Court.

Yes to everything else.

campy said...

How important to this story is the fact that she's the 2nd woman on the court. Are we going to count now? When do we stop counting? At #5? #16?

However many fill a binder?

Amartel said...

When Michelle Obama visibly rolled her eyes at Boehner, that was applauded.

When Alito supposedly rolled his eyes at a colleague, that was contemptible.

And Epps needs to work on his cultural learnings.

"Homies."
Face. Palm.

Brennan said...

Do the justices have to show up if their colleagues want to give a speech about their dissent? Or is that also a privilege they can decline like the invitation to the State of the Union?

gerry said...

I was thinking Madonna was Jewish.

You probably thought that because of her fashionable flirtation with Kabbalah a couple of years ago. Everyone was doing it.

lemondog said...

Involuntary Eye Roll Syndrome?

If so, lets hope Obamacare can remedy.

Thorley Winston said...

It’s fairly unusual for justices to read their dissenting opinions from the bench but here’s a primer on the rules of reporting. If the dissent is being read by a conservative justice like Scalia, their every gesture, expression and variation in tone will be dissected and scrutinized. If the dissent is being read by a liberal like Ginsburg, every gesture, expression and variation in tone of the conservative jurists in the room will be dissected and scrutinized.

Hope that clears things up for you.

dbp said...

What Epps and Milbank don't get is that Alito is from an exotic ethnic background. President Bush got this truth, you could tell by how he sounded-out the justice's name; All ee toe!

Freder Frederson said...

She's one of the world's greatest human beings

You have a very low bar for "world's greatest human beings." Apparently, in your world greatness is equivalent to popularity (or perhaps wealth).

Sorun said...

Alito spotted Milbank and Epps in the audience, and recalled their most recent articles.

Thorley Winston said...

No to cameras in the Supreme Court.

Yes to everything else.



Ditto, the article doesn’t provide support for putting cameras in the courtroom. It provide support for keeping hacks like Milbank and Epps out.


rhhardin said...

Male eye-rolling is an affirmation of women.

dreams said...

I'm just glad Alito didn't scratch his nose with his middle finger while looking in Ginsburg's direction like Obama did in 2008 to the applause of his black audience.

Joe said...

What's wrong with that anyway? Since when is it rude to visibly show disagreement with someone?

It's also part of the bizarre sexism that has crept into culture where disagreement and/or anger by a man is portrayed as tantrums and bad, if not evil.

AllenS said...

I'd like to see Alito give Ginsburg an Italian salute.

cassandra lite said...

"You lie."

jr565 said...

A littler earlier the charge was that Sontomayor was being rude to Scalia:

Rios: I read an article that Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, at least this article was intimating that they are behaving in a – these are my words – sort of rudely on the bench, to Scalia and to others, interrupting, speaking inappropriately. Have you observed that? Do you know what I’m talking about and is that true?

Levey: Um, yeah. I mean, you know, Scalia can give it out as well as take it, but yeah, Sotomayor has gone over the line a number of times. Most recently in the Voting Rights Act case, which was just last week, where, you know, Scalia had the nerve to speak the truth and refer to the Voting Rights Act as “racial preferences,” which of course is what it’s become by guaranteeing that there be minority districts formed, minority congressional districts. And, you know, Sotomayor sort of lost it when Obama [sic] said that, interrupted and you know, basically made fun of Scalia’s comment. So yeah, I think they have the right to be aggressive up there, but Sotomayor has occasionally, at least, stepped over the line.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/03/13/wingnuts-female-justices-rude-to-scalia/

Original Mike said...

"I'm just glad Alito didn't scratch his nose with his middle finger while looking in Ginsburg's direction like Obama did in 2008 to the applause of his black audience."

And to Paul Ryan at the ObamaCare summit.

Henry said...

Yes, but did he do this?

Okay, he's Italian. Did he do this?

David said...

I watched MSNBC's coverage of Fischer for a little while when I was at the gym.

You would have thought the Court approved a reintroduction of Jim Crow. Nary a dissenting thought from the "reporters" nor even a stab at explaining the legal basis of the decision.

I did not roll my eyes though. I uttered some disagreement out loud. Could not help it. We wasps are so emotionally expressive.

ricpic said...

I hope Alito gets the message and confines himself to double face palm the next time Ginsburg speaks.

James said...

"He looked for all the world like Sean Penn as Jeff Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, signaling to the homies his contempt for Ray Walston as the bothersome history teacher, Mr. Hand."

This is surely the most random simile I've seen in a while. Spicole never did this. How old is Mr Epps anyway? He sounds like an old fart (who had never seen the movie) showing off knowledge of pop culture to the kids (who would be in their 40s now).

Darcy said...

I hope Alito gets the message and confines himself to double face palm the next time Ginsburg speaks

Haha...ricpic. I imagined and laughed.

Simon said...

jr565 said...
"A littler earlier the charge was that Sontomayor was being rude to Scalia: Rios: I read an article that Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, at least this article was intimating that they are behaving in a – these are my words – sort of rudely on the bench, to Scalia and to others, interrupting, speaking inappropriately."

I listened to that argument twice, and I didn't hear anything that was out of line. And I listen to the arguments in most of the interesting cases, and I've yet to hear anything obnoxious from Kagan, and that's not just because she's dreamy.

Henry said...

Jeff Spicoli is a hero. When did liberals go all in on being turgid squares?

jacksonjay said...


Was Ginsberg the Justice who recommended that the Egyptians avoid the US Constitution as a model?

Eyeroll in order!

jacksonjay said...


BTW, Mr. Simon gave me the eyeroll earlier and I was totally not offended!

Nathan Alexander said...

@Simon,
"...and that's not just because she's dreamy."

Explain yourself, sir.

Synova said...

I was accused of "rolling my eyes" at a customer at Ross once. I'll cop to looking away and back again as I wondered how to handle a problem person but not to *rolling*. As if I would!

So... Alito disagreed with his face... OMG.

ricpic said...

Hi Darce. Whew, I'm glad I'm back in your good graces. Not that I was ever out (maybe) but being basically an ungrownup I post things that are beyond the pale and then think Oh God I've lost the decent mature ones but it's too late at that point. You and DBQ are two of my favorites but I wouldn't blame you for having your doubts about that guy at times. Should I post this embarrassment? Yup.

edutcher said...
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edutcher said...

Since '08, I expect there have been enough eye rolls at the Lefty crowd that the eyeball distance would be the Earth to Mars.

dreams said...

I was thinking Madonna was Jewish.

She does Kabbalah.

Simon said...

Nathan Alexander said...
"Explain yourself, sir."

Sure. I have a serious cross-partisan bench crush on Kagan. I like the questions she asks, I love the way she writes, and I wistfully look to the day where she decides to use her enviable powers for good rather than evil. For a great example, read the Scalia majority opinion and Kagan dissenting opinions in the AMEX case handed down last week. One can think as one will on the merits, and I'm obviously with Scalia on that score, but Kagan's opinion is direct, forceful, engaging, and concise. Reading Kagan is a lot like reading Easterbrook, Evans, Sykes, or early Scalia—she has that same knack for striking the perfect balance, paring away the legalese and cant, adding zest and √®lan, but without going so far as to tumble off into the territories of Posner or Kozinski.

I was deeply skeptical that someone who had never served as an appellate judge could do the job, but she has proved me wrong in spades.

n.n said...

Ginsburg believes in the principle of individual dignity (e.g. republican, serf) subordinated to the minority elite (e.g. federalism, feudalism) as a means to her preferred end. That is worthy of an eye roll and so many more overt gestures of disbelief.

Original Mike said...

"Madonna is one of the world's greatest Italians?"

Doesn't say much for the rest of them, does it?

Alex said...

You probably thought that because of her fashionable flirtation with Kabbalah a couple of years ago. Everyone was doing it.

Next year everyone in Hollywood will become a Palestinian. It will be so Vogue.

Alex said...

Tony Soprano is one of the world's greatest Italians.

donald said...

Here here Freder!

robinintn said...

Clownish shenanigans when it's the other persons turn:

Slow Joe debate performance (What a hero!)

AlGore debate performance (Truth to power, man!)

CatherineM said...

What I find most offensive is the Spicoli referece. Has Epps ever watched Fast Times? Jeff called Hand a dick once for ripping up his excuse, but he never mocked Mr. Hand. He was incapable. He was too high.

That's his tell. Epps is lying. I object.

Achilles said...

Funny how in a 7 to 1 decision only one justice stood up for state sponsored racism.

Ginsburg has openly derided the document she is supposed to be interpreting. The democrat party should be embarrassed for nominating her and she should be impeached. But sadly we have a progressive constituency built on racism, Balkanization, and state domination that supports this wretched creature.

Rabel said...

If I'm interpreting the cryptic Althouse video embed correctly, she's saying that below the bench (so to speak) Ginsburg was grabbing her crotch suggestively and that was the cause of the Alito eyeroll.

Youngblood said...

Spicoli doesn't act like that in the film.

Now, if Justice Alito said to Justice Ginsberg, "You DICK!" or ordered a pizza in the middle of class, that would be a different story.

But little niggling gestures of disrespect aren't really Spicoli-like at all.

Nathan Alexander said...

Simon,
Good answer.
I'm surprised to find that she is an admirable Jurist; I've heard no one say that before now.

I am, however, gratified to learn that you did not mean that she was dreamy in a physical sense.

gerry said...

If I'm interpreting the cryptic Althouse video embed correctly, she's saying that below the bench (so to speak) Ginsburg was grabbing her crotch suggestively and that was the cause of the Alito eyeroll.

ROFLOL


wyo sis said...

Just be aware that every gesture made by any person who doesn't blindly follow the accepted political attitude will be pounced on and disected for evil intent no matter what your previous loyalties have been. Not even Madonna is exempt.

Simon said...

Nathan, that's right, and while it may sound like a funny thing to say, while it's necessary for an appellate judge to be a clear writer and a clear thinker, it's merely desirable that they also be right. For the bench and bar, and really for the man on the street, being "right" isn't actually as important—in the vast majority of cases, which have nothing to do with the constitution, "it is more important that the applicable rule of law be settled," as Brandeis said, and that it be clear and administrable—"than that it be settled right." That is why Kagan is by far a a better judge than Justice Kennedy, the paradigmatic case of the mushy thinker betrayed by mushy writing. Kennedy is more apt to be on the right side of decisions, but his vague, foggy, mushy prose and flabby standards are no better for being grounded somewhere far below in some indeterminate principle than was O'Connor's cynical split-the-difference "pragmatism."

In statutory matters, I should infinitely prefer a "wrong" decision that gives a coherent account of itself and clear guidance to bench, bar, and laymen of what the law requires of them than one that is "right" but that cannot explain why or what it bespeaks to the next case. Many years ago, in American Jewish Congress v. Chicago, Judge Easterbrook said in exasperation of the task handed him by one of the most notoriously-mushy cases, Lynch, that "[t]his decision, like others requiring multi-factor balances, gives judges of the inferior federal courts fits. The Court avoided creating a rule about the treatment of religious symbols and instead announced that judges should examine each symbol's context. But which items of the context matter? If different elements cut in different directions, what is to be done? … When everything matters, when nothing is dispositive, when we must juggle incommensurable factors, a judge can do little but announce his gestalt." Law cannot operate like that—bouncing along from case to case with no rudder and a philosopher-captain asleep at the wheel, periodically being roused from his stupor to offer cryptic clues to his intended destination. How are citizens supposed to conform their behavior to a law that is glimpsed hazily at best? How are the lower courts supposed to announce that law? Of course, they can't. That is the primary sin of men like Kennedy and women like O'Connor, and it is one of the most admirable things in men like Scalia and women like Kagan. To be sure, this doesn't mean eating the elephant in one bite; I wish I was as cocksure about anything as Clarence Thomas is about everything. Our tradition is case-by-case adjudication, and it's a good one. But with Kagan (as we saw just today in Koontz, to give another example), you're going to get a very clear explanation of what this case is about and what we are and are not saying in it, a commodity that, in a judge, is worth her weight in gold.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Ah so Milbank and Epps gasp about an eye roll, but not a word to say about this?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/25/democratic-lawmaker-hits-justice-uncle-thomas/

Ah, those tolerant leftists. It's like when UnreasonableBitch calls people a "faggot." It's okay if you are a libtard.

Fuck them all.

creeley23 said...

I rolled my eyes when Ginsburg recommended the South African constitution over the American one.

She prefers the SA consitution because it codifies as rights the catalog of progressive agenda items for adequate housing, healthful environment etc.

That's a big clue to what the liberal justices see as their job -- not interpreting law according to the Constitution, but changing the Constitution to their progressive vision.

Amartel said...

"Do I detect anti-Italian prejudice? Alito is too visibly expressive. He's like a movie character with an Italian name (Spicoli). The rule is your face should be a mask? WASP-style?"

No. The Spicoli analogy is so utterly inappropriate as to rule out an anti-Italian prejudice. It doesn't fit Alito and this Epps doesn't seem to even get the Spicoli character in the first place. The prejudice exhibited by Epps and Milbank is obvious. And dull. Like most entrenched unquestioned prejudice, it is delivered up by half-bright slack-jawed troglodytes who don't have, and don't care to have, the first clue what they are talking about. Don't try to tart it up as something it's not, some ancient ethnic stereotype being given new life in the situational service of the progressive cause. People like Epps and Milbank don't think that deeply.

And on that note - WASPs have inexpressive mask faces? Really!

Gullyborg said...

Epps was my con law prof. He spent most of the class time doing "funny" anti-Bush skits using obnoxious baby voice and was so partisan left-wing, if Bush cured cancer he'd be against it.

Pogo said...

Using incorrect movie references is like when the priest in The Exorcist says "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?""

jjv said...

Frank Sinatra or Joe DiMagio would be the greatest Italian Americans. Madonna does not cut it.

TMink said...

People have feelings. They show on our face, in our voice, and even in our posture.

It is known.

Deal with it or not, but complaining about this basic fact of humanity makes the author look prissy.

Trey

Pogo said...

Alito should wear these when Ginsburg talks.

bagoh20 said...

I woke up today. I had nothing to bitch about, so I was a little lost. Then I heard about that god damned Alito. Man, that really pisses me off. Fuckin sexism, racism and homophobia, right wing bastards, and my new wrinkles, and gray hair. Hey it's almost noon. Where do you want to go to bitch for lunch?

Neo said...

I sat on a jury a few years back with an earache. While I gritted my teeth in a vane attempt to mask the pain, I began to notice that the lawyers asking questions of the witnesses were beginning to react to my contortions.

It could be as simple as Alito's neck are hurting.

Pogo said...

When Alito rolls his eyeballs, he comes up snake eyes, every time.

creeley23 said...

Epps was my con law prof. He spent most of the class time doing "funny" anti-Bush skits using obnoxious baby voice and was so partisan left-wing, if Bush cured cancer he'd be against it.

That propagandizing is everywhere in academia and in only one direction.

I took an online Stanford course which offered videos of the campus lectures and the professor was inserting cute anti-Bush gibes into computer science material.

He got his come-uppance. Even he could see that Obama was going to kill silicon valley and push America to economic disaster.

Stanford University's David Cheriton, who is worth almost $2-billion according to Fortune magazine, believes that innovative and creative American entrepreneurs are being driven out of the country by Obama's fiscal policies.

Cheriton told BBC: "When you look at, say, Larry and Sergey of Google, they made billions of dollars, but they contributed many more billions of dollars to the US economy. And so we should be empowering these people; we should be cultivating more of the next generation of those types. And yet, I think there's almost a hostile attitude towards people who have been successful in this country."

He added balefully that "the people that are taking the risks... or would be taking the risks... [now] start thinking twice about what it means to do this in the US."

Sigivald said...

I don't trust the descriptions of Epps and Milbank.

I've never encountered Mr. Epps before, but Dana Milbank has been a hack for as long as I've been exposed to his output.

X said...

Personally, I don't care about celebrities

She's one of the world's greatest human beings

cruel bipolarity

LarsPorsena said...

Blogger jjv said...

Frank Sinatra or Joe DiMagio would be the greatest Italian Americans. Madonna does not cut it.

6/25/13, 3:46 PM
_________________________________

'Manila' John Basilone gets my vote.

Mike said...

I saw Epps perform a couple of times while he was teaching law at the University of Oregon. I've rarely seen anyone so smug and self-righteous in my life. I wouldn't believe a thing from his partisan pen or lips.

mrkwong said...

gerry - so what you're saying is that Alito was responding to Ginsburg behaving like Madonna?

Humorous, but unlikely...

Baron Zemo said...

Neither Joltin Joe or the Chairman of the Board come close to being the greatest Italian American.

That honor goes to Saint Francis Cabrini.

CptParlay said...

Is this the same Dana Milbank that wore a safety vest and bright orange hat when commenting on Dick Cheney accidentally shooting his friend Harry Whittington? And now an eye roll gives him the vapors?

Baron Zemo said...

St Francis Xavier Cabrini is the patron saint of immigrants.

We should ask for her intercession in this time of trouble. Perhaps she could show us the way to be both fair and righteous in the coming battles.

Baron Zemo said...

Sintra and DiMaggio were miserable pricks their entire lives and no one should admire them for anything other than their talent in their chosen profession.

You could say the same thing about Lucky Luciano or Carlo Gambino.

Baron Zemo said...

DiMaggio was cheap, nasty and vulgar and the reason he was venerated is because the sports journalists covered up his real personality.

Every year he refused to show up for old timers day unless he was announced last and termed "The Greatest Living Yankee."

Chip Ahoy said...

One of the Snap Circuit videos you don't see the kid but you see his hands and you don't see his little brother but you hear him. The kid doing the video tells his younger brother, "stop talking." And he does stop. But the dog keeps barking, the bird keeps calling, the t.v. keeps running, Mum drops in and interrupts, machinery sounds, noise and chaos throughout a layers-of-mess household and the boy knits his fingers, inverts the whole church and people thing, and cracks his fingers, CRACKCRACKCRACKCRACKCRACK as, 'now down to business,' and dug into the kit.

Yikes. Then I remembered doing that myself and Mum shrieking at me to stop it. Tried it again when I saw that and nearly broke my fingers but they didn't make any crack sound.

It just struck me as an incredibly unexpected rude and noisy and painful hand sign. They should do that one on the Supreme Court. Then deliver their position.

Baron Zemo said...

Sintra was a toady and lick spittle gangsters his whole life. Willie Moretti owned him lock stock and barrel. He carried cash as a bagman and hooked up the Kennedys with the mobsters that bought the West Virgina primary.

Great singer but terrible man.

Baron Zemo said...

Other great Italian Americans.

Frank Capra. Yogi Berra. Phil Rizzuto. Roy Campanella (that's right) Ernie Lombardi. Rocky Marciano.Vince Lombardi. Franco Harris. Steve Balboni. Joe Giradi. Bernie Carbo.

The list goes on.

Baron Zemo said...

Oh and Sintra's mother was an abortionist.

zefal said...

They left out that Alito was wearing a hunting vest.

Anthony said...

Stipulating that Alito did roll his eyes at Ginsburg, is Ginsburg really deserving of any more respect than that?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I don't know about the rolling of the eyes(gate)....but I do know that it has to be exasperating to have to work so closely with people with whom you have fundamental differences of opinion. Plus you are going to have to do it for the REST OF YOUR LIFE!

Gah!!

So a little eye roll or some heavy sighing is really small potatoes. I would probably want to scream out loud or strangle someone....not that it hasn't already been tried in Wisconsin....in the judges chambers.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when the Supremes get into a disagreement.

Titus said...

Ginger, my girlfriend and the mayor of Ptown did give me another list too. I didn't want to share it because it was harsh. It was what is not hot and I am afraid to report Madonna was on the top of the list. When Ginger told me I gasped and put my hand of my mouth, we both bowed our heads for a moment. But then I said, "so said, but not surprised".

And you know what? I did not hear one Madonna song in Ptown last weekend and I believe that was a first.

Never question Ginger's lists. The bitch knows hot and not hot and and those lists never miss the mark missy.

It didn't escape me when on the way home either, when in the beamer 338XI black interior and exterior, I heard Material Girl and shed a tear.

Thanks for the mammorys Madge.

Meade said...

*eye roll*

Ann Althouse said...

"Never question Ginger's lists. The bitch knows hot and not hot and and those lists never miss the mark missy."

Is "hot" hot? Maybe not.

Baron Zemo said...
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Baron Zemo said...

Nobody cares what Ginger thinks about anything.

It is Mary Ann that is important.

She was a goer.

roesch/voltaire said...

trite and petty both Alito's gestures seen by those in the court room and the bloggers here responding to the Allthouse post.

Henry said...

RV wrote: trite and petty both Alito's gestures seen by those in the court room and the bloggers here responding to the Allthouse post.

Aha. Not this.

This.

EMD said...

Okay, I changed it to Italian-Americans.

I just want to make sure America gets her damn credit when it's due.

gpm said...

"That honor goes to Saint Francis Cabrini."

When was it again when Mother (Frances) Cabrini had that sex change operation?

--gpm

Micha Elyi said...

Good on you for catching that, gpm.

Yastreblyansky said...

Alito is too visibly expressive. He's like a movie character with an Italian name (Spicoli)?

That says more about your beliefs about Italian-Americans than Dana Milbank's. I saw Alito making faces during the SOTU; he didn't look like an Italian-American, just an ill-bred boor.

Gullyborg said...

creely23 said "That propagandizing is everywhere in academia and in only one direction. "

Yes, it is - my point being, in an academic world where the liberal propagandizing and Bush-hatred runs rampant, Epps stood out as FAR MORE SO than anyone else in the faculty. At the extreme left-wing U of Oregon, he was so far left, he made many liberals uncomfortable.

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