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Boy is she milking this for all it is worth. No shame.
Her courage in the face of these vicious, slanderous attacks is awesome. I know that I'd just get the hell out rather than face the loons.Seldom watch Hannity because he is too stridently partisan. Watched last night just to listen to Palin.For all of you voicing the party line: "She's great, but I wouldn't vote for her," why don't you try waiting to see how things develop?Wait to see if she decides to be a candidate. She didn't declare last night. Wait to see how she actually performs in the primaries if she does run for president. Wait to see how she performs as a presidential candidate if she runs.Why make the decision now?Perhaps Obama will make an about face and become the second Bill Clinton.Fact is, you don't know where we'll be in two years.
(laugh) Well, the truth is somewhere between Retread and shoutingthomas, I guess.
(The Crypto Jew)Boy is she milking this for all it is worth. No shame.Unlike Messr.’s Mathews, Olberman, and Fuller, right? To repeat:Retread: “Sarah Palin you are an accomplice to MURDER.”Sarah: “No, I’m not.”Retread: “hey, B*tch it’s not about YOU, you know.”
Boy is she milking this for all it is worth. No shame. Talking about this stuff is her job, Retread.You've chosen quite the appropriate screen name. Retread, indeed. Do you have anything to say that, you know, has any content?
"Boy is she milking this for all it is worth. No shame."You see what the bullshit civil discourse is? The liberals get to attack away and the conservatives are supposed to sit still and take it.
Tangentially touching the thread's theme:Liberals become liberals because of their genetic makeup, see link, http://bit.ly/czNCQbRancorous and strident and shamelessThey parade on the political sceneAppearing to be utterly blameless –It’s their dopamine receptor gene.From Harvard and UC San DiegoThe truth is emerging at last;Libs get high on propping their egoPopping causes to give them a blast.Liberals embrace dark and dangerous ideas to cope with an alien world. They are special needs people, and treated with care and compassion they may lead happy and productive lives. Yes, compassion! – When was the last time you hugged a liberal? We must recognize the reason behind liberals' pitiful Palin phobia and Trig birtherism; they covet Trig's position.
Ann: good thing you are here for your dear frail flowers, aka the real victims here.
Ann, interjecting "bullshit" is not very civil. It also makes you look vulgar and dumb. Please up up your game.
I'm not a huge Palin fan and have been on record here as such. But (and there's always a butt, is there not?) "milking it"? She was under the most underhanded, vile sort of guilt-by-association attack I've seen in a long time for no other reason than they don't like her. She responded well and, in the end, made them all look like fools.I still don't think she's Presidential material, but I'm at least open-minded about it. Unlike those that jumped to all of their pre-arranged conclusions last week.
retread - So, Palin is dragged into this whole thing for polititical purposes and blamed for inciting a massacre and she's supposed to shut up about it.Ahhh, that's it, isn't it? Shut up. How good Republicans are supposed to react to the masses of collectivists in the media baying for her blood (in an oh-so-civil way, of course).If she says nothing, then she's hiding something. Or she's heartless and just doesn't care about her obvious culpability and the collective guilt of those associated with her (we don't call you folks collectivists for nothing).But if she has the temerity to point out, in public no less, that this is a witch hunt, then she's milking it. She's making it all about her, which is rich coming from the folks who couldn't care less about any of the victims of the shooting as they enthusiastically pinned the blame on Palin. That's all the left could talk about, tweet about, shriek about - Sarah Palin. You folks have made this about her and now you're whinging about it - and no one can whinge as long or as loudly as a leftist, particularly when they have no reason to. And this is one of those times.
Ann, interjecting "bullshit" is not very civil. It also makes you look vulgar and dumb. Please up up your game.Pointing it out like that implies your plumbing is on the inside. Up yours.(lol, double entendre FTW)
Retread "Boy is she milking this for all it is worth. No shame. "Sit back and watch Moochell's hushand, the utter obsessed president play the milking game until 2012. He will not be lactose intolerant.
An interesting bit from Palin's comments last night.Immediately after the shootings, reporters called her demanding that she comment. She refused, because she had no reliable information to support her comments.Those reporters called her out for "hiding" from the issue.When she did finally respond, those same reporters accused her of "making it all about Sarah Palin."No wonder she chooses her venues carefully and restricts access to only those reporters she trusts.
Emmanuel Goldstein isn't supposed to go on talk shows and defend herself against false murder allegations. It's unseemly and self-serving to contradict the Ministry of Truth.
It isn't hilarious to watch Tingle Leg, Olbermann, Scar'bro, Barnicle, Meeker(Mika), Hilary, Mark Penn and of course, Bam Bam "insert" themselves into this story.
Libtard: interjecting "bullshit" is not very civil. It also makes you look vulgar and dumb. Please up up your game.Fuck off and die, Little Eichmann
Immediately after the shootings, reporters called her demanding that she comment.The fact is, as evidenced by their subsequent actions, the baying mob that is "the press" didn't need Sarah Palin to make a comment, they already had the story written. That's why the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" response to anything she does.The media/left's (but I repeat myself)sole job since then is to keep the narrative created before anything was known about the killer shored up by stuffing any facts discerned later into that narrative. They ignore what doesn't fit, distort what can be distorted enough to make it fit. Nothing else matters, because Sarah Palin and the Tea Partiers are not people, they're political adversaries who threaten the collectivist establishment. They. Must. Be. Destroyed.In an oh-so-civil way, of course.Because the definition of civility is anything a leftist does.
Gasp! Jay. Is it remotely possible that she actually believes in patriotism? I realize that translates into jingoism to most on the left, but there are those of us that still believe our country is a special and exceptional place. I know, I know...that makes me an unintellectual dope not worthy of national discourse.
Yes Ann, Liberals are always on the attack and conservatives all always being victemize. (Rolling eyes.)Palin's need to wrap herself up in the "Patriot" coat in this interview shows that she is a political scoundrel using the occasion to score points rather than raise the political debate. Obviously she does not want to raise the political debate because she could no longer use cheap calls to patriotism and her other schtick that suckers the Althouses of the world.(Typed on smart phone. Please excuse typos.)
Retread, why was Obama AWOL for 5 1/2 days before telling his supporters to back down from their blood libels? Besides that it was an epic fail. I think you are afaid of the question.
Well, at least something is smart there...
Well, I'll state the obvious again.Palin is the most intellectually dynamic force in American politics for the past several decades.Every time she speaks, the world stops. Her every word is analyzed.This woman possesses one of the sharpest intellects we've ever seen. Her political skills are astonishing. That's why the left targets her so frantically.To hell with the explanation that the left is salivating over her candidacy. They're terrified of her.I'll still wait to see how she performs in primaries and a general campaign.
The "bullshit" interjection is right in line with the "bite me" and "kiss my ass" conservative talking points of the last week. The "I will not sit down and shut up" mentality is a race to the middle to appeal to the "common man." Except for Palin. She is already firmly embedded in the bedrock of mediocrity -- without even trying.
Retread the killer was a Bush hater just like you. Proud of your haters? Are you a 911 Truther like the killer. Why not denounce the liberal hate rather than the woman your fellow libs libel.
Don't waste your time arguing with a Palin-hater. He's just another Loughner/Fuller libtard.
Jimspice the killer was a bush hater. Are you unable to denounce the hate of the left? Trying to deflect the blame from where it belongs? Why?
I can understand Ann's aversion to calls for raising the discourse. Doing so would be a threat to her blog.As we have seen over the last ten days, Ann must fight this at all cost. (Have you seen Ann dedicate so many posts in such a short period of time?)
I can understand Ann's aversion to calls for raising the discourse. Doing so would be a threat to her blog.What, exactly, is this "raising the discourse" thing? Define it.How exactly would it be a threat to Althouse's blog.I can't see much of anything threatening Althouse's blog.
And, to elaborate...Althouse has tenure and a big income.What is this "threat" you've discovered?
Retread, obviously yuou are dumb. That is the current line from the Journallisters. So I will adapt it to bashing those with Palin Derangement Syndrome. Agreed that is wrong but admit that the Palin bashers are wrong.
Shouting Thomas- I can't tell if you are for real... Palin is the most intellectually dynamic force in politics in decades? Commenters like you are what keep me coming back.
Maybe Retread can get an infusion from his smart phone and become a wee bit smarter.
Retread, try reading the thread about raising the bar. AA wants you to raise your game and do some critical thinking.
If the discourse was raised her blog would not be fashionable. It would go the way of CNN's Crossfire. Though obviously on a much smaller scale.
Sadly, the loonies on this site can't even be relied upon to understand Althouse's motives re Palin.Althouse is a feminist.I don't recall reading a post in which she endorsed Palin for office.Althouse seems merely to be endorsing Palin's involvement in the political arena as an advance for feminists.I don't care much for this crap. I don't give a damn about feminism.But, I think that the loonies here are losing site of Althouse's motivation... which, as usual, is strictly her self-interest.
If the discourse was raised her blog would not be fashionable. It would go the way of CNN's Crossfire. Though obviously on a much smaller scale. You still haven't said what exactly this "raising the discourse" thing might be. I gather from this that you really don't know.Althouse is in the unique position of being able to write just about whatever the fuck she wants to write without facing any repercussions.So, what in the hell are you talking about?
Maybe Retread's phone isn't that smart after all.
A good leader tells the disillusioned and confused social group that there is a way to get from here to there...follow me! The last thing such a leader needs to say is 1) there is no worthy goal, or 2) I have no strong commitment myself to this. The hogwash coming in a flood from Retread and from the Media Circus since Loughner blew his gasket is a blatant demand that Sarah Palin say the #1 and #2 above, out of false guilt. But Palin's reloading and leading us on through this fog of disinformation has only strengthened her reputation as a leader.
The fact that Ann chooses to do so on the low is telling.
"Retread the killer was a Bush hater just like you. Proud of your haters? Are you a 911 Truther like the killer"That's a good description of Loughner. And look at the time frame when he developed his anti-government views -- 2006-2007. He was a big fan of that Zeitgeist film which received some lib awards. Interestingly, that's when his obsession with Giffords started too - 2007. Of course, this was before Sarah Palin became nationally known, before the Tea Party - back when it was cool to be anti-government. When dissent was patriotic.Now, it's patriotic to sit down, shut up, and let yourself be smeared by the government worshipping press. Now groups which engage in public dissent and voice their dissent by peaceful demonstrations and by -gasp- voting are demonized by representatives of their government and its lap dog press.Speaking of the new patriotism, did you know that horrible Palin woman, and Beck, et al are seditious? They are, at least according to Tailgunner Joe Klein: http://pacoenterprises.blogspot.com/2010/04/joe-klein-bathing-in-kool-aid.htmlThe left has some serious problems with this whole democracy thingy.
I'm the real victim here! Feel sorry for ME! Whaaaaa.
Jay Retard and cylinder are here because the Establishment Media didn't think people would be more impressed by what Miss Sarah said than what The Zero said.She was attacked, defended herself - eloquently, and now the history changes because she did it so well. The new talking points must be hammered into people's heads.We have always been at war with Eastasia.
I'm undecided whether or not this is a good interview. There seems to be very little flow to it -- one question is not clearly connected to the next or the previous. Is Sean Hannity a good interviewer normally? It doesn't seem that way here. It's like he has a list of questions, somewhat connected, but doesn't know enough to hear what Palin says and then pursue a different question because of what she says. So she strays from his line of questions, and is always pulled back to it. That's distracting.I don't like Palin's emphasis on the kid that died. But this kid first mentality is pretty pervasive in society and not at all unique to SP. But I notice it and it bugs me.
The only reason the left has Palin in their survey markers is one reason and one reason only....they are TERRIFIED of her. Why else the obsession? It is really fun to watch. To borrow Slave Cylinder's phrase ... it keeps me coming back.
The unique and intellectually powerful idea that Palin represents is...The end of the era in which white lower and middle class people are political untouchables.For 50 years, the bottom line of leftist politics has been that white lower and middle class people are dangerous bigots who cannot be allowed to express their self-interest and have no right to political representation.Every other group is granted free rein to prosecute its self-interest with a vengeance.One of the unexpected outcomes of the election of Obama is that this political line has run out of gas. If a black is elected president, why continue to hand out all the swag to the Democrats cherished identity groups? What, exactly, is the continuing rationale for declaring that lower and middle class whites are despicable bigots who have not rights to the swag?Palin is the embodiment of this change. She is the representative of the political and economic interests of lower and middle class whites.
The left has some serious problems with this whole democracy thingy.The invention of political correctness 20 years ago should have tipped it off. Aside from the fact that their nominations are decided by a bevy of party insiders and aristocracy, ie super delegates, and their historical chumminess with communist thugs, what else clued you in?
We have always been at war with Eastasia....hey...
I don't like Palin's emphasis on the kid that died. Yeah. So much better to focus 24 x 7 on the injured Democrat or maybe Awesome Obama's mojo-revitalizing memorial speech. Who does that dead kid think she is?
I watched the interview, and I thought it was fine. At first like a couple others I thought that "it's all about me," applied, but then I realized that 90% of the time, I do not watch what Sarah Palin is saying on her various TV shows, so probably she's not just "milking it" whatever it is, meaning she's not retooling the current topic and making it about her. She probably (hopefully) is talking in a way that's not about her. Point being, I shouldn't say that it is about her, when I don't know what else she's doing. I can't believe that people are still saying that our coarse political discourse caused this. For myself, I usually just ignore and walk around something like this, some instance when I think people are wrong. But I understand that on this blog you just gotta go on and on about it, even though 97% of the people on it agree with you. And yet, even though I a Democrat admit these failings, they don't help in the eyes of the critics. False words like "Democrat Party" which Rush probably started and made fashionable continue. Whoever it is that writes "Libtard" i usually avoid, but as it's often the first word of the comment, I can't skip over that. Someone said that if the Democrats or liberals just admit their mistakes it would be so much better. No. It's not. I do this a lot. Doesn't help a whit.And then we get the blog owner's comment of bullshit. I know she means it to liven up the dialogue, I gleaned that from her dialogue with Glenn recently. I appreciate the idea (new and fresh perspective on free speech in the face of the massacre), but that comment just comes off mean. She's the owner of this blog for crying out loud! There are other sharp ways to get the point across without resorting to bullshit.
Are Retread, Second Cylinder and jimspice mobys to generate comments are just truly dumb?
Yeah. So much better to focus 24 x 7 on the injured Democrat or maybe Awesome Obama's mojo-revitalizing memorial speech. Who does that dead kid think she is?I'm not suggesting singling any Tucsonian out as more tragic at having been shot.
That was an awkward sentence. Why single out any one of the shooting victims as the most tragic victim?
Because it's not strictly apples to apples. We're wired to hold the cold-blooded killing of a child as more gruesome than the cold-blooded killing of a 45-year-old.
Probably her perspective as a mom would be my guess.
Jay Retread,If the discourse was raised her blog would not be fashionable. It would go the way of CNN's Crossfire. Though obviously on a much smaller scale.Because it is so much more decorous at DemocraticUnderground and FireDogLake.
Typed on smart phoneToo bad the 'smart' part didn't rub off. Maybe you could get an ap for that?
MM, I can't speak for Palin but Scott M's 9:42 sums it up for me.
shoutingthomas said...Well, I'll state the obvious again.Palin is the most intellectually dynamic force in American politics for the past several decades.Every time she speaks, the world stops. Her every word is analyzed.===============You confuse Palin being the next Jesse Jackson of the 80s. Always in the media, always getting a passionate response from reporters and detractors as a sort of "leader".Confusing the controversy of a Palin or Jackson with great intellectual wisdom.*****************Madison Man - "I don't like Palin's emphasis on the kid that died. But this kid first mentality is pretty pervasive in society and not at all unique to SP. But I notice it and it bugs me."Madison Man is observant. I cringed when Pelosi would trot out and say everything she did, was For The Children, The Children.The media does it all the time. 2,000 murders in a city can pass by as routine, but a child of a thug gets killed in a clash of gangs, and it is Stop The Presses Time.Palin tried reducing Tucson to being All About the Poor Child...more focus than on the 19 others shot put together. Wht? Her advisor team knew that like Obama's "Make your speech all about transforming it into a place the 9-year old "would have wanted", that an "All About the Child" message from Palin would work.
Is Sean Hannity a good interviewer normally? It doesn't seem that way here. It's like he has a list of questions, somewhat connected, but doesn't know enough to hear what Palin says and then pursue a different question because of what she says. So she strays from his line of questions, and is always pulled back to it. That's distracting.@ Madison Man. I agree with your post.Hannity is awful. It is like listening to a parrot, squawking the same stuff over and over. He is a terrible interviewer and we hardly ever watch his show because of that. We watched a part of the interview but couldn't make it all the way through for several reasons. Hannity being Hannity. Palin, while doing a good job of getting her point out, was stifled by Hannity and it was repetitous.Also the KID as the media focus of the terrible event is annoying to me as well. Yes..yes. yes.....it is very sad that a child was killed and all of her potential was wiped out by a madman. BUT....it shouldn't be the sole focus. They do it because it is easy. Whenever the media does this, I suspect them.....what else do the NOT want to talk about. Sheesh...there I go with those obsolete critical thinking skills.
I'm undecided whether or not this is a good interview. Hannity, for all his success as a broadcaster (and good for him) is a horrible interviewer. He's not much better of a debator as he tends toward the broken record, shrill end of the spectrum. When I do happen to flip past his radio show, there's entirely too much allowed ass-kissing. Anathema to a radio guy.Mark Levine is worse and supposedly they are good friends. Don't know if that means anything...
Rertread, you forgot AA's recent post about civility.http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/01/today-we-affirm-new-commitment-to-live.htmlYou fulfilled her prediction that liberal cry for civility whenever their lack of civility is exposed.LOL!
Dust Bunny, the nine year old was made the focus of the killings by others before Palin spoke
Dust Bunny, the nine year old was made the focus of the killings by others before Palin spokeYes, I know.That is why I specified the media as putting the focus. The first few hours and days you wouldn't know that anyone other than Giffords and a child had been shot, killed or injured.The child got more face time on the news than Gifford did.
Hannity, for all his success as a broadcaster (and good for him) is a horrible interviewer.Am I the only one who thinks Hannity looks like Lou Costello?
Am I the only one who thinks Hannity looks like Lou Costello?No. No you are not. Colmes was a shitty Abbott, though. I suppose, to be sure, we could get Hannity to back into a mummy and see how he reacts. Just to be sure.
No. No you are not. Colmes was a shitty Abbott, though.You got that right!
Lefties should be advised that S. Palin is not going to go away. And the smartest man in the world is going to be running against the dumbest woman in the world until she decides it is time for someone else to run against the smartest man in the world. And the smartest man in the world is going to have a foaming mad base that has compelled him to move again to the left to counter attack the dumbest woman in the world. But like all lefties the smartest man in the world will be fighting against the wrong opponent.
MadisonMan: Why single out any one of the shooting victims as the most tragic victim?I'd take you more seriously if you'd asked that question of the MSM several days ago.
My God, fen, you don't take me seriously?My life is ruined.
Squirm away, MM. Maybe one day you'll actually take a stand on something.
It's funny how 'popular' Hannity is but no one here likes him. And you can count me in as a big "meh" when it comes to Hannity.
Yup. O'Reilly = narcissist blowhardBeck = too condescending, and with a Conspiracy Theory flavour.Greta = underwear sniffing rubberneckThe only show on FOX News that I enjoyed was Brit Hume's. And now he's gone. But they're the only fair and balanced game in town. You would think the others would wake-up to the concept of market share, but that assumes they're in it to profit when they are really just DNC propaganda whores.
Is Sean Hannity a good interviewer normally? It doesn't seem that way here. It's like he has a list of questions, somewhat connected, but doesn't know enough to hear what Palin says and then pursue a different question because of what she says. So she strays from his line of questions, and is always pulled back to it. That's distracting.No. He's not a good interviewer.I have noticed this phenomenon myself. He is almost totally incapable of coming up with "follow-up" questions. He stays strictly on-script, no matter what a guest says. But he's an idiot so it makes sense.
You guys are backin' the wrong horse. From a CNN/ORC poll: "48% of the country believe the use of a harsh rhetoric and violent metaphors by politicians and commentators caused the Arizona shooting. Only 32% believe they have no impact at all....54% believe the use of a harsh rhetoric and violent metaphors by politicians and commentators would cause a future incident similar to the shooting in Arizona."http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/01/17/rel1b.pdf
Damn it. I just got the feeling Sarah Palin is going to end up becoming the Arnold Schwarzenegger of the White House.
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