November 20, 2020

"I think they’re witnessing incredible irresponsibility, incredibly damaging messages being sent to the rest of the world about how democracy functions."

"And I think it is … Well, I don’t know his motive, but I just think it’s totally irresponsible.... No, I’m not concerned the vast majority of the American people [might question the legitimacy of my administration]. All the polling data has indicated, although the Republicans who worry about it, it’s higher, but over 78% of the American people believe it’s without question, it’s legitimate. And I think most of the Republicans I’ve spoken to, including some of the governors, think this is debilitating. It sends a horrible message about who we are as a country."

Said Joe Biden, yesterday, when asked about Trump's refusal to concede the election. Transcript.

The press conference was about handling the pandemic, and I was encouraged to see him embrace the decentralized federalism approach: "No national shutdown. No national shutdown, because every region, every area, every community can be different. And so there’s no circumstance which I can see would require a total national shutdown. I think that would be counterproductive."

I like the calmness, the modesty. He's displaying good instincts right now. I'll just give this my "I'm for Boring" tag to gesture at what I like about the emerging Biden administration.

IN THE COMMENTS: Balfegor points to this new poll, which Biden could not have seen when he spoke of "all the polling data" yesterday:
But notice the way the question is asked. It's not about whether enough votes were affected but whether the motive was to affect enough votes. Biden was talking about belief that he really did win enough votes. To believe that is not the same as believing that there were no stolen votes. In that light, these poll results are inconsequential. It's easy to say I'm sure there was some fraud, in some places, and also to believe that overall the result we're seeing is legitimate. It's not perfect, but it's good enough. The point at which you say that varies depending on whether you're happy with the outcome you're seeing now. 

ALSO IN THE COMMENTS: DEEBEE writes:
Interesting that the federalist approach did not trigger “Trump-Ian” approach in your remarks.
I didn't write it out, but I thought it. It seemed obvious. I'm not trying to suppress it. Throughout this year, I have defended Trump's federalism approach when he was criticized for not taking over with a top-down national approach. There's this, from April 11th:
I've seen some pressure on Trump to take more one-size-fits-all, top-down actions, and he has resisted because it's a big country and conditions are different in different places. Similarly, when Trump moves toward reopening, he is, I presume, going to continue with this approach, supporting opening the places where the conditions are most amenable to returning to work. We'll ease into it, watching as we go, and proceeding with caution. 
The Times says "people will be wary of resuming normal activities before the country has far more extensive testing," meaning testing to see who has the virus (or the antibodies). But another kind of testing is experimenting with opening the country back up in a gradual way, where conditions are best, observing how well it works, and moving forward learning from experience. This is the experimentation characteristic of American federalism.
And this, from April 14th (when the press painted Trump as a demented Captain Queeq): 
Trump wants the governors to take responsibility and to do what works within each one's particular state. They're acting as though they are rebelling, and he'll stand his ground as the captain of the ship, insisting on his authority, so they can look like mutineers for the pleasure of the theater audience.... And the governors get the political cover they need to do what he probably would like to tell them straightforwardly to step up and do. 

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Attonasi said...

tim in vermont said...

"But even if Trump had won Pennsylvania, the ultimate outcome wouldn't change.”

My hope is that we can have honest elections in PA in the future via court orders for better protections, like hi res cameras on the desks wherever canvassing is going on. Limits on absentee voting. Special attention to ballot requests out of nursing home. If we get fair elections in the future out of this, whether Trump wins or not this time is almost irrelevant.

There is an obvious problem in rewarding abrogation of a process and instituting a new process.

I see a pattern in your posts.

tim in vermont said...

"I see a pattern in your posts.”

Do share, I am hear to learn.

tim in vermont said...

Such a comfort is the thought of having steady, sharp as a tack, Joe “at the helm”

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1329536064059535360

Watch it for a laugh, unless the idea of having a senile old man with his hand on the button keeps you awake at night.

tim in vermont said...

Joe from Scranton reminds me of Captain Kirk in that episode where they passed through a comet’s trail and the dust made them age super fast.

Gusty Winds said...

Sydney Powell was on Glenn Beck this afternoon. She doubled and tripled down on all her claims. Today she says it was the US Military that seized he servers in Germany. Today she says it was the US Military that seized he servers in Germany.

I believe her. She seems to have a method of information release, and is saying within two weeks they will prove their case. The link is to a guy on twitter I don’t follow but had the Glenn Beck video clip with Sydney Powell from today.

Dominion was supposed to appear in front of the Pennsylvania State House, but didn’t show up. They are closing their offices, and employees deleting Linkedin Profiles. This is huge… and here at the Althouse blog, we’re pretending we’re at the beginning of a new boring, calm reality, where we make believe Joe Biden actually has “good instincts”. Total joke.

Maybe… if Sydney Powell is successful in saving America, Althouse can celebrate that a female lawyer did it, instead of this fake praise and hopefulness for Kamala Harris.

mccullough said...

It’s spelled Sidney.

Attonasi said...

Wa St Blogger said...

I detailed this information is a previous post. I will copy it here:

I read that post. It didn't deal with the original issue. If the Edison data set is literally just large running totals and a single decimal precision percentage of votes that is silly.

Even then they can still pull the deltas out of the large numbers. If all of the deltas are the same ratio for days that is impossible statistically.

Or are you trying to say that TGP is just watching the percentage never change because the changes were so small compared to the overall total?

Jupiter said...

"I read that post. It didn't deal with the original issue. If the Edison data set is literally just large running totals and a single decimal precision percentage of votes that is silly."

Granted, and I think they are running totals. However, the fact that there is a single huge jump, switching from a large Trump lead to a large Biden lead, is still deeply suspicious. Especially given the fact that after that one anomalous event, changes favor Biden just enough to maintain his lead.

Jupiter said...

But if you don't like the Edison data (and I am still waiting to hear Edison explain what their data mean and where they got them), how about these apples;

Details of how the Drop was performed in Detroit

Jupiter said...

Here is what Edison says on their web site;

"Vote Count
The NEP provides media organizations with real-time vote results in all 50 states for statewide races, ballot initiatives and House races. The NEP vote count from Edison Research is the only service continuously updated after Election Day. We track every vote until results are certified by all states. Vote count data is available for statewide results, vote by Congressional District, county vote data breakouts for statewide races, and all U.S. House races.

The fastest and most complete vote results
Multiple sources allow Edison Research to provide faster reporting of vote data than any other organization."

Unfortunately, I suspect that "We track every vote ..." actually means "We track every race ...".

Attonasi said...

Dekalb county election commissioner just resigned due to irregularities and errors.

How many elections have we had where so many county commissioners and election managers have been fired?

effinayright said...

Mark said...
Given all that, tim, why did Tucker Carlson question the kraken last night?

When your lap dog Tucker questions the evidence you know it's all BS

>>>Tucker hasn't SEEN the evidence, so how could he QUESTION it on the merits?

Michael K said...

The great unpleasantness of the 2020 election is over or maybe not. We'll see, but I don't have much confidence in the courts. One ruled that election "observers" don't have to be able to see any ballots because the law only states they have to be present in the room. I think that ruling was in Michigan where observers were kept about 20-30 feet from any ballots. The Georgia recount was a sham, didn't identify or dismiss false ballots, just recounted them and found some previously uncounted ballots.

I'm a little upset by the prospect that voting is meaningless, we're just pawns going through the motions of participation.


I agree with this completely. The only possible relief would come from a GOP House but I doubt we will see another honest election. I should say YOU will see because I'm old enough that I probably won't have to live through what is coming.

5M - Eckstine said...

In the Revolutionary War there were "patriots" who scurried for the safety of the arms of the British Empire. No fight in them. No desire to be free. Risk adverse. Constantly waving polls at the rest of us on how the ragtag army couldn't win.

bagoh20 said...

Some people just don't deserve the benefits of their heritage. They don't have the spirit to carry it forward. They are just there like stagnant water in the bilge, weighing things down, and listening to the crew battle the elements on deck.

Kirk Parker said...

Gusty,

"What we are seeing here at the Althouse blog is the same post-totalitarian survival instinct we are seeing at Fox News. Gotta eat, gotta go along. "

Read Rollo's essay on War Brides; it's relevant.

walter said...

Powell and Tucker have pretty different accounts of how their communication went.

Michael said...

If people register to vote as residents of Georgia will they be subject to Ga income tax? Should they be informed?

Drago said...

Lefty jim: "A large percentage of Americans currently believe votes were stolen because they have become susceptible to propaganda: they believe the lies they want to believe, and take no responsibility for their naivety, even when the main liars are so obviously demented."

Morgan Freeman Narrator Voice: Lefty jim neglected to mention he/she/xe believes Putin changed vote totals in 2016 to elect Trump. Seems relevant.

jim said...

Sorry, Lefty Jim ain't a lefty. Just not crazy.

stephen cooper said...

Unless Biden, in a lucid moment, apologizes for benefitting from typical fraud, he is going to go down in history about as well as Benedict Arnold.

Sadly, I know a lot about old people. Lucid moments are far and few between, and generally only occur when someone speaks to them friend to friend.

Brezhnev , for example , used to go on TV and speak, sometimes completely sloshed, to the youth of Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union as if they were his good friends of long standing.


And trust me - Brezhnev is not all that disliked in Russia today. Biden is risking being the Benedict Arnold of his day.

He will never ask me for advice, but if I were to give him advice ----- I would say DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THE THIEVES.

Nobody likes a thief, not even the thief's own mother (that is a proverb from several ancient languages ---- you can look it up, Casey, if you are reading ...._

stephen cooper said...

Lucid moments are important, when you think about it, not only for senile people but for the rest of us, who are either
(a) going to die after a period of being senile
(b) going to die before we are old enough to be senile
(c) going to be, like many of the young people today might be, present for the End Times.

I work for a living so I have to be lucid somewhere north of 50 hours a week, but I understand the temptation to not be lucid all that much.

Thus ends my comment, explicating the concept of lucidness to a degree that you, whoever you are, probably did not want to have it explained.

Don't worry I know God loves you. So so much. Don't be envious ---- you know it too, you know it in your heart.

The Godfather said...

Of course, as a rational, reasonable person, I hope that the incumbent President is ultimately declared the winner and is re-elected.

But it is certainly possible that it won't be possible to prove that Trump won the election. But it WILL be possible to prove that the Democrats cheated; there is no question that Biden supporters in several key States cheated. Just as Trump's presidency was undermined by the (false) claim that his campaign colluded with the Russians, the Biden-Harris presidency should be undermined by the (true) claim that his supporters in a few crucial States cheated.

Unknown said...

Boring may sound like a relief. I'm afraid it will lull us into accepting nonsense we wouldn't from a DJT.

glacial erratic said...

So almost half the country thinks the Dems executed voter fraud, but the real question is whether the fraud was enough to swing the election to Biden?

Well, that's all right, then.

It's awesome living in a first-world country, isn't it?

Karga said...

"It's not perfect, but it's good enough. The point at which you say that varies depending on whether you're happy with the outcome you're seeing now."
This coming from a law professor is rich. It shows the decadence the country and as a result the world is facing today. Where are the values we were taught at school? This is the so called best country in the world which we saw in the past interfering around the world to uphold the correct way countries should behave.

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