"... during the height of the pandemic, as recounted in a new book by journalist Bob Woodward. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday that the tests had been sent, but denied the book’s claim that the two leaders had spoken by phone several times since Trump left office. 'We also sent equipment at the beginning of the pandemic,' Peskov said in a written response when asked about the book. 'But about the phone calls — it’s not true.'... Trump has long boasted about his relationship with Putin, including by claiming that he could broker an end to Russia’s war on Ukraine if he’s elected again to the White House, without detailing how he would accomplish that. The former president has assailed Biden over Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine.... saying [it] would not have happened if the Republican was still in office."
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"Kremlin Says Trump Sent Putin Covid Tests While President/Kremlin denies phone calls took place after Trump left office/Trump campaign pushed back on claims in Bob Woodward’s book" (Bloomberg).
No one can know what would have happened if Trump had remained President, but was there something obviously wrong with sending these Covid tests? I'm not seeing it.
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like small pox blankets to indians?
Have you seen a COVID testing device? To the average blue state soyqueer those things were holy objects, so it's treason for the President to send even one out. Apparently BoJo was planning to send James Bond and the Delta Force to attack the Netherlands over their vaccines?
The fact blue staters have hit this rhetorical bottom means they are more desperate than I ever imagined. I don't doubt that Blinken and Yellen are looking into aliyah before it's too late.
It sounds like Russia sent us tests, too. What's wrong with countries working together to solve a worldwide pandemic?
Sending the tests, in retrospect (retrospect for most people, not me), is almost an act of war. The use of the PCR tests outside of medical settings was an enormous waste of money and time, and an argument can be made they were a waste in medical settings and might have driven overuse some of the very most deadly hospital treatments such as sedation and intubation as a way to minimize virus in the air.
Ugh, apparently the previous version of soytoy didn't get approved by Google. Fine. While the blue staters think it's treason to send Covid tests to Putin- to the point BoJo was getting ready to send James Bond and the SAS to raid the vaccine supply of the Netherlands- the level of desperation is truly palpable now.
“They fucked up in 2014. That’s why we are here. We fucked it up. Barack never took Putin seriously.”
—— Joe Biden
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/10/biden-reportedly-blames-obama-for-putin-invading-ukraine-in-2022/
How many tests? And what kind? I am assuming nasal swab but does the story say?
If it was a dozen, or even a hundred, so what. A c heap price to buy some goodwill.
If it was a million, AND we really needed them, then yeah, there might be a problem with that.
Did we have a problem with availability of the tests? I was getting tested 2-3 times a month during kung flu due to client requirements. I'd go to Walgreens.com, sign up for an appointment, get tested.
I don't remember ever waiting more than a day or two for an appointment or more than a couple cars in line. Even at the height of the kung flu.
Smells like bullshit to me.
Never forget that Woodward has been employed as a CIA asset since the 60's when he was in Naval Intelligence. Bear that in mind when reading any of his stories. As in bear in mind that mostly what he writes are "stories".
John Henry
John Henry
Even if true - so what?
Russia had not invaded Ukraine, and Obama never thought Russia was a problem.
Probably to fuck with him. Putin would be confused by it, but intrigued.
Russians are always afraid that everything is a CIA plot. And Russian scientists have been known to make "cures" that don't work because that's how soviet systems work (see modern medical schools in USA for recent examples).
They fucked up in 2014. That’s why we are here. We fucked it up. Barack never took Putin seriously.”
—— Joe Biden
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/10/biden-reportedly-blames-obama-for-putin-invading-ukraine-in-2022/
“They fucked up in 2014. That’s why we are here. We fucked it up. Barack never took Putin seriously.”
—— Joe Biden
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/10/biden-reportedly-blames-obama-for-putin-invading-ukraine-in-2022/
Old Joe still has some sense left. Not much, but some.
was there something obviously wrong with sending these Covid tests?
Anything to connect Trump and Putin in the minds of voters prior to Election Day...
Just a reminder, kung flu deaths per million population:
World 899
US 3,642
China 4
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#google_vignette
John Henry
Yup.
A Fauci himself said, if the test is cycled less than about 20 times, it will not detect Kung Flu in a vat of pure virus. If it is cycled 40 times, it will detect it in a rock. Depending on how they ran the test, and guidance varied on this during the plandemic, they could either find massive amounts of Kung Flu or none at all.
(Cycles are from memory and approximate)
John Henry
It looks to me like they're taking a fact, any fact, and then weaving a story around it. It'll survive a fact-check accusation - which is great ! as long as it can make Trump look bad.
Nothing unless it can suggest Trump is a Putin stooge, then it will be noted as something sinister. Just like closing the borders for a pandemic was wrong when Trump did it, but when Biden placed limits on international travel, it was smart and prudent, even if you could illegally cross the border with Covid.
"No one can know what would have happened if Trump had remained President, but was there something obviously wrong with sending these Covid tests? I'm not seeing it."
The complainers wanted some Russians to die from COVID?
Put the words Trump, Putin, and cooperation in the same sentence and you have a news story. It doesn't need to make sense.
Put the words Trump, Putin, and cooperation in the same sentence and you have a news story. It doesn't need to make sense.
Yes, but I am expecting to hear from Nurse Ratched soon that this is more evidence of Russian collusion with Trump.
Former president Trump violated the Logan Act (which restricts private citizens from engaging in diplomatic affairs with U.S. rivals) when he spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin some seven times since leaving office. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable with imprisonment for up to three years. So 7 times 3 would likely jail Trump for life when added to the 34 felonies for which he has already been convicted.
You missed Kamala on Colbert saying that Americans were desperate, DESPERATE, to get those tests. https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/kamala-harris-addresses-reports-that-trump-sent-putin-covid-tests-during-stephen-colbert-interview/ar-AA1rVvho
Pure Agitprop.
Give a rest, a-hole.
I'm baffled. During a pandemic, Trump showed that he can work with Putin. What's the problem? Putin didn't invade while Trump was in office, and, he's got enough good will that perhaps he can negotiate an end to the Ukraine war.
If we believe that Kremlin spokesman about the Covid tests, then we must believe him about the lack of phone calls after Trump was out of office. Anyone who says that Trump did call Putin, is a liar and has no credibility.
Yes, my progressive friends on Facebook are already eagerly reposting this. The Russian hoax is alive and well.
As stated above, what kind of tests are we talking about (take home or medical office grade), how many, and what was the cost? The fact that this is not mentioned upfront in the article is a tip-off IMO that this story is much ado about nothing significant.
I'm sure not seeing it either. Why not send tests when fighting a world wide epidemic of the Chinese lung rot? And Gadfly what did you have to say when San Fran Nan put on a head scarf and went on her own little diplomacy tour in the Mid East during the Bush years? Crickets is what I hear from you.
I distinctly remember this argument back in 2020. As if the tests made any difference. There was no treatment. If you thought you were sick, stay home. But no, the inability to deliver the tests were considered a massive failure of the Trump admin at the time by some.
… but was there something obviously wrong with sending these Covid tests? I'm not seeing it.
Me either.
C'mon. Woodward is a lying shit-weasel. And the fucking tests don't work anyway.
It doesn't say how many tests were sent and there are legitimate diplomatic and humanitarian reasons to help other nations during times of crisis, but if Trump was sending large numbers of test to Russia while there was a shortage here, it undermines his "America First" positioning.
The China number is a joke. We have no idea how many Chinese died from COVID. Literally no idea; not even an estimate. The other numbers are suspect as well due to the "died from/died with" distinction.
Many US health statistics look bad compared to other countries simply because the US is more strict about how we count and categorize.
There's no law against a private citizen talking with the head of state of another country.
What an absurd accusation!
We all know the 2020 election was fixed and DJT is the legitimate President. Therefore any diplomatic discussions - if any even occurred in their talks - did not violate the Logan Act.
One wonders if Woodward is using Steele's sources, 2 drunk Russians at a pub.
Am I missing something? Trump had to send Putin these tests to maintain a good relationship with him. It would have been crazy and pointless to say no.
Oh wait, just saw this: https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1843788918787059729
I see now that the source for the "phone calls" was "a Trump aid". Madison Hutchinson was a Trump aid, and progressives like to quote her imaginative recollections on a regular basis. Alas, I suggest others check the link, and hear what another foreign leader has to think about Trump's handling of Putin.
Give Trump a chance to trade useless tests for good will from an adversary, and he’ll take it.
It was a pandemic that did not originate in America. Transnational cooperation to mitigate its progress would be mandatory for health and human services.
It sets up reciprocity. Future negotiations work better.
I'm trying really hard to find what's newsworthy/scandalous about this.
Okay. So this makes them BFF?
What was "obviously wrong" was the fact that Trump did it. Duh!
"but was there something obviously wrong with sending these Covid tests? I'm not seeing it."
Trump and Putin. Inga would be my goto splainer for why it's wrong.
The NSA and the other 15 Intell agencies knew all of the Presidents phone calls.! Tell them to release them if it’s real after the 2000 election.
Any test were the right gesture while we were at peace with Vladymir
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