April 28, 2011

The NYT calls the "birther" issue "a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones."

The editors want to make sure you see the issue as racial:
[T]he birther question was never really about citizenship; it was simply a proxy for those who never accepted the president’s legitimacy, for a toxic mix of reasons involving ideology, deep political anger and, most insidious of all, race....

It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious “other” would have been conducted against a white president.
Inconceivable? Really?
There was a price to the party for keeping the issue alive; inevitably, it was picked up by a cartoon candidate, Donald Trump, who rode birtherism directly to the prime-time promontories of cable TV. The Republican establishment began to wince as it became increasingly tied to Mr. Trump’s flirtations with racial provocation, and Karl Rove told him to knock it off.
Oh! The evil Karl Rove is back... seemingly as a measure of how much more evil the birthers are.

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Pogo said...

"It is inconceivable that this campaign..."

"You keep using that word...."

Fen said...

It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious “other” would have been conducted against a white president.

It was raised by Democrats against McCain.

And the birther question was first asked by Hillary Clinton's campaign. So I guess the wife of the first black president is a racist?

I'm really tired of libtards playing the race card on everything. If racism is evil, diluting the charge with frivolous accusations designed to gain political traction are just as evil.

People who play the race card deserve the same scorn and contempt that we levy against racists.

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

The term racist has been tattered and torn beyond recognition by the left.

It is now almost meaningless.

Good, one less tool.

Flail away.

Shouting Thomas said...

So, the Times has issued it's proclamation on the 2012 election:

You are a racist if you don't vote for Obama!

The Drill SGT said...

It is inconceivable that this campaign to portray Mr. Obama as the insidious “other” would have been conducted against a white president.

So the Democrats "could" raise the issue against a white candidate for president (Goldwater 64, born in a US Territory (Arizona), and McCain 2008, born in a US Territory (Panama)), but to do the same to a Black Presidental candidate (cuz it has been festering since 2007) is racist.

very clear.

Shouting Thomas said...

We can also invoke Althouse's aphorism, describing the Democrat's version of civility:

I want you to be civil to me.

Now, the Democrats can continue to demand that Sarah Palin prove that she isn't Trig's mother.

Lyssa Lovely Redhead said...

Is anyone else still amazed that the first black (sort of) president would wind up being so open to questions about his Americanism (if not by birth, and I've never questioned that, but in his upbringing). I mean, of all of the thousands of black men who are smart, capable acheivers and who unquestionably have generations of American ties, why did this one wind up being the president?

I don't know what that means. Probably nothing at all. It's just extremely weird to me. I wish it hadn't happened like this.

- Lyssa

Tibore said...

Yes, that all is officially stupid. It's as if the left thought that birtherism wasn't dumb enough on its own, that it needed some help to be truly vile.

We don't need any test cases to see this whole "US born citizen" thing wasn't race driven; we have cases in McCain, Romney, and others.

If this isn't a case of the left bending a narrative to suit their checkmark-list of talking points, I don't know what is.

Shouting Thomas said...

So, I wonder...

Will proving that they aren't racists be more important to Americans in 2012 than...

o $4 or $5 gas
o Deliberate suppression of domestic oil production
o Stagflation
o 10% unemployment
o 20% underemployment
o Three wars

Most important: We must prove to Obama that we aren't racist!

Pogo said...

So Obama's entire 2012 campaign is SQUIRREL!!!

Lem said...

It was a profoundly low and debasing moment in American political life... It is tragic that American politics is fueled by such poisonous fire.

Nowhere in the opinion does the Times mention the polls.
The polls showed Obama had to release his birth certificate.

For this president, the NYT has chosen to stand for obfuscation and something less than transparency.

They don't want to look and they don't want anybody else to look.

johnvert said...

NYT's is just following the marching orders from the DNC. The game plan for 2012 is to use racism to get the messiah re-elected.

Shouting Thomas said...

O'Reilly had a black preacher and race hustler on last night.

The preacher said that vestiges of racism still exist in America.

The solution: government mandated therapeutic sessions. That would be so wonderful, wouldn't it?

The Drill SGT said...

NYT said...The fuller document that Mr. Obama had to request contains some extra information, including his parents’ signatures and the name of the hospital where he was born, but it was unnecessary to show his legitimacy.

The fact checkers at the paper of record must have a different version that has papa's signature on it, unless they are asserting that the Doc who delivered is also the parent. what a way to start a new theory :)

Paul Zrimsek said...

Inconceivable.

rhhardin said...

I doubt anybody thinks of Obama as black.

They think of him as a moron.

LarryK said...

The "birther" issue has always been the right-wing equivalent of the controversy over George Bush's National Guard experience. In both cases there was never any "there" there, but because the events happened in the distant past and not all the facts could be immediately reconstructed in a crystal clear fashion, the political opponents of Obama and Bush respectively tried to concoct a silver bullet-type of issue that would destroy a despised politician without having to deal with the substance of his policies. In both cases, too, the facts eventually did come out, and bite the conspiracy theorists in the ass (much more embarrassingly in the Guard case). The only difference is that the National Guard fiasco was embraced by the upper echelons of America's media establishment; birther-ism was the lonely cause of a few political drifters on the fringes of American politics (and yes, this describes Trump).

David said...

Another view is that Obama kept this alive while he thought it benefitted him to do so, and then has tried to kill it when it started to hurt. But that's not racist. Just cynical.

Drew said...

How many times on the campaign trail did Obama portray himself as the "other?" "They'll come after me because of my funny name!" "They'll come after me because I don't look like them." He was already laying the groundwork, signaling to his devotees that the means of deflecting any criticism was a charge of racism.

The Drill SGT said...

Paul Zrimsek said...
Inconceivable


Paul wins the thread with a NYT article on McCain's citizenship

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Paddy O said...

Weaponized ethics.

Using real and important issues as a tool of rhetorical violence against one's opponent.

The Times is a master of this approach.

Phil 3:14 said...

Yeah there's probably a racial element. But can we get over the idea that "racism" is an issue only for conservative whites. I visited the black conservative blog Booker Rising and noted the comments re: Haley Barbour dropping out. More racism.

The Drill SGT said...

LarryK said...
The "birther" issue has always been the right-wing equivalent of the controversy over George Bush's National Guard experience. In both cases there was never any "there" there,


Larry, while I agree with most of your post, I think you need to distinguish that there were ultimately two issues:

1. the basic birther question, e.g. was he a citizen...., and

2. the secondary infection that started growing, even among democrats, e.g. what is he trying to hide? If he won't release it, is there something else on the certificate?

It was ultimately the second item that forced them to call off the trap.

vet66 said...

I recall the left freely debasing President Bush with references to him as Bush/chimp and Bush/shrub etc.

That is provable and on the record. Like a one-trick-pong they trot out the racism card showing how out of touch the NYT and Obama handlers are with the rest of us. Trying to paint this episode as racism is a pathetic attempt to shift the focus from Obama's blatant lack of promised transparency and tin ear to the real questions of his legitimacy to be POTUS. His legitimacy is indeed questionable given his lack of leadership on the economy, jobs, oil drilling, ballooning deficit, rule by czars, defunding the military in the face of an incomprehensible foreign policy, and vacuum of leadership that empowers our enemies at the expense of our National Security.

This is not a problem of racism which, by the way, only exists in the eyes of the clueless water carriers for Obama and the DNC, it is a cynical and corrupt obfuscation of the failure of the ideology of the progressives.

As for Whoopi on the VIEW, you deal the cards looking for racism and came up with the Joker.

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NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

"First the White House posted a copy of his so-called long-form birth certificate -- and then the president went on television to announce: "I was born in Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital."

So far, so good.

"Now, normally I would not comment on something like this, because . . . we do not have time for this kind of silliness," he said.

"I've got better stuff to do."

Whereupon he:

* Hopped Air Force One to Chicago.

* Taped the Oprah Winfrey show.

* Jumped back on the jet.

* And headlined three top-dollar political fund-raisers here in New York.

And yet he wonders why some people are so ready to believe that there is something fishy about where he was born.

Fact is, virtually everything Barack Obama has declared, promised or predicted since rising to national prominence three years ago has turned out to be specious, delusory or flat-out false."

Link

windbag said...

Racism is cowardly and lazy. Dismissing a group for its race is anonymous and easy compared to individual confrontation with a member of that group. To dismiss criticism of yourself or your allies by blaming it on racism is as cowardly and lazy. It's dishonest, as well.

SGT Ted said...

Leftwingers accuse opponents of racism.

Meanwhile, Dog Bites Man and the Sun Rises in the East.

SGT Ted said...

98% of blacks vote for the black guy, but whitey is racist.

Browndog said...

It's not just the Times-

It's the entire machine. It's the first thing I read when my browser opened to Yahoo this morning.

It is the ever obvious and predictable debate stopper/converstion killer.

"This obvious fake can't be fake, because it's so obvious".

Wanna bet-

So long as it has the "long form" heading, and not written in crayon, game over.

Now, apologize to Obama for having to appease the racist haters, and don't you dare ask any more question.

Chad said...

Obama is not eligible to be president because constitutionally he is only three-fifths of a person. The Founding Fathers were very smart men who knew the natural order of the world. Every step that this nation has taken away from them has led to more turmoil.

Obama has proven that he is not even have three-fifths of the intellect and skills to be president. It is like hiring a chimp to do a man's job.

Let's get back to a constitutionalist view of this country and respect the Founding Father's wisdom.

rdkraus said...

They call racist to stop the conversation. They don't WANT to talk to you. They want you to STFU. Calling racism is one way to do it. Once that's on the table, it's Hitler time, the discussion is over.

PS They do think you are Hitler.

MaggotAtBroad&Wall said...

I'm offended the New York Times mischaracterized the next American president as a "cartoon candidate".

He's too busy being a top rated game show host to dabble in cartoons.

AprilApple said...

The left fear The Trump, a democrat. And it is good.

Republican said...

They were probably holding their breath waiting for Whoopi to play the race card.

TMink said...

Inconceivable?

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Trey

chickelit said...

Karl Rove is kicking nuts?

Andrew Sullivan must be doubled over.

Explains a lot actually.

wv="denizate" Deisgnate the denizen!

Almost Ali said...

I'm more interested in the man, Obama, how's he's led such a charmed life. A life without effort, where everything is granted or bestowed.

Think about it, he never breaks a sweat except in anger. And if it's racist to call him lazy, so be it - because he has to be the laziest man, and president, in history.

Meanwhile, the only thing he likes to do is talk. And travel. And shoot hoops. And play golf. And tie up traffic searching for the perfect hot-dog. And talk. And talk over customers in ice cream shops to impress the nearest camera.

A charmed life indeed, without an ounce of effort, floating above all the damage he's done as if his is the only world that exists. A jive turkey on the Welfare Express.

TWM said...

Rove - that magnificent bastard!

MarkG said...

The more Obama's supporters whine about racism, the more his polls are going to drop.

chickelit said...

The NYT calls the 'birther' issue a baseless attack with heavy racial undertones

So that's the memo garage mahal got yesterday. That explains a lot too.

pduggie said...

Well, Obama's birth certificate is only an issue because he's black, because he only became a viable presidential candidate because he was black.

Following Steve Sailer's recent thought experiment, if Lolo Soetero had been his dad, he wouldn't have been a community organizer, etc

"Would Barry Soetoro have gotten a six-figure advance to write the autobiography of the first half-Asian editor of the Harvard Law Review?"

Obama injected race into the issue by being black and running for president

Shouting Thomas said...

The Lone Wolf says the birth certificate is a Photoshopped fake.

No, it's not over!

Dark Eden said...

I am really curious. Is it theoretically possible to disagree with Obama about something without being a racist? Or is it just that every single person who has had an issue with Dear Leader just by some strange coincidence is a racist nazi?

Really at some point shouldn't people who have suffered from actual racism start getting pissed off at this bs?

chickelit said...

Chad said...
Obama is not eligible to be president because constitutionally he is only three-fifths of a person.

Let's hang Chad, shall we?

master cylinder said...

Feeding frenzy! Thanks Ann....thought you might want to distance yourself from these loons, but I guess y'all have no bigger issues to worry about. Fine by me, Keep digging.

TWM said...

"It is now almost meaningless."

Not almost, it IS meaningless. When Whoopie calls her good friend Donald a racist you know it's a dead issue. No one buys it anymore except race baiters. It doesn't sting anymore, it only raises knowing eyelids.

"I doubt anybody thinks of Obama as black."

Every liberal in the land thinks of him as black - and only that. The rest of us think of him as Carter on steroids.

Paddy O said...

"constitutionally he is only three-fifths of a person."

Fortunately for this nation, the Republican party was formed to fight this insidious notion. It was formed with belief, and with the willingness to fight for it, that each person should be given their own voice, their own rights, never using a category to diminish their dignity as a person.

Unfortunately, the Democrats fought this, arguing that a person was simply a category to be used. These categories were something to be established and fought for, and that to violate such categorization, to think that people were more than a color or a class, was a sign of stupidity, naivety, or deceptive attempts to gain power.

The Republicans argued that all were Americans, no matter their race. Race shouldn't be a factor in someone's ability to participate in this great country of ours.

But for some all they see is race, all they know is race, and all they can do is limit someone to race -- not accepting they have human strengths and human weaknesses, worthy of acclaim or critique on their own merits. They de-humanize people in some quest for rhetorical victory, their own power, their own gain.

It gives off the veneer of concern, but it's still really about putting people in a place where they serve rather than where they can be free.

Fortunately, for this nation, the Republicans won that fight in the 1860s. Unfortunately, the bitterness of this win lingered for a very long while, and once again real people were used as pawns in the service of this bitterness.

Bitterness remains, and while the weapon isn't the obvious racism of the past, it is the use of racism as a tool, a malicious charge. It speaks of the intent to keep people down, to diminish them so they are only the color of their skin, all for the service of some political advantage. It gives off the aroma of real concern, but it's still that same pernicious smell of decay that treats people like objects rather than like people.

Republican said...

Is it racist to shun one's half-white ethnicity? To go so far as to insult one's white grandmother for being a typical white woman?

Just asking.

MarkG said...

How come NYT and Whoopi weren't as outraged a week ago? Or a month ago? Maybe they weren't certain themselves. Hmm?

Class factotum said...

thousands of black men who are smart, capable acheivers

Whatever happened to Harold Ford Jr? I disagreed with him politically, but at least he has a pedigree and a track record.

Chad said...

LOL Almost Ali! Yes, Obama is our first welfare president! But at least having him in the White House is keeping him out of the projects!

I also think this document is an obvious fake. This man came from the deepest bowels of Africa in order to destroy this gift from our Founding Fathers.

Shouting Thomas said...

Whoa! I'm going to repeat this:

The Lone Wolf says the birth certificate is a Photoshopped fake.

No, it's not over!

I've taken a close look at the signatures magnified in Photoshop. I'm not an expert at these things. Take a look for yourself, especially if you know Photoshop and decide for yourself.

Go ahead! Be a racist!

Browndog said...

I read a quote this morning stating "now only 97% of Obama's past remains a mystery".

Bill Whittle gets us off to a good start with
this video.

Would anyone call this video racist, or hateful?

I suspect some would. However, I don't see how anyone could rightfully characterize it as such.

garage mahal said...

I also think this document is an obvious fake. This man came from the deepest bowels of Africa in order to destroy this gift from our Founding Fathers.

Sing it racist!

yashu said...

Troll on aisles 834 & 901 (I know, it's best to ignore them).

bagoh20 said...

Oh, call me a racist. I'm just devastated. I can't face the world now.

This is why we never should have let the Dems get the first Black President. They can't handle a responsibility like that. If it had been a conservative Black it would have made a huge difference, but this guy just reinforced the division, because he's dishonest, cynical, and just happens to be half-Black. the last thing we needed was a big whiny Black victim. We needed a strong Black man of character. And let's make him actually Black the next time. The Dems can't do anything right.

yashu said...

I.e. troll subspecies moby. You shouldn't fall for that, Garage.

Chad said...

Stuff it Garage. People like you are traitors to the heritage of this great nation. You will not be happy until you have completely blackened every corner of it.

Ralph L said...

But if his father was a bigamist, he is illegitimate!

Curiously, wasn't William Jefferson Blythe, Sr., also a bigamist?

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Almost Ali said...

But at least having him in the White House is keeping him out of the projects!

Sorry, the White House is the new projects. Where between bouts of fried chicken and barbecue, the jive-turkey-in-chief plays president. And collects welfare payments.

Sofa King said...

I don't care what this document says. Obama is a Keynesian, it's obvious to anyone who pays attention!

Robert Cook said...

"The left fear The Trump, a democrat. And it is good."

Hahahahaha! No one "fears" Donald Trump. He's a clown and an egotist first, last, and always, and his antics are about no larger purpose than to feed his pathological craving for attention.

Anyone who thinks Trump has even a whisper of intent to actually run for the Presidency probably believes that elves make Keebler Cookies (or that Sarah Palin wants to be or could be President).

AJ Lynch said...

The Philly Inquirer had a similar editorial which they titled:

"'Birthers' Can Shut Up".

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roesch-voltaire said...

David Frum, a Republican, said essentially the same thing yesterday on his blog. After Obama produced his first birth certificate, racist resentment has been an obvious part of the motivation from the Orly Taitz fringe of the party. Indeed racism is never obvious to folks who like to think that they are neutral and object and have always got along with "the blacks."

Shouting Thomas said...

Here's my take on the Lone Wolf's claim that the birth certificate is a Photoshopped fake.

Pogo said...

The birth certificate use of Comic Sans seems appropriate.

Dark Eden said...

"racist resentment has been an obvious part of the motivation from the Orly Taitz fringe of the party."

If only a white man were shoving socialism down my throat, I would shut up and take it, as is my place as a dirty prole.

Shouting Thomas said...

Indeed racism is never obvious to folks who like to think that they are neutral and object and have always got along with "the blacks."

The commie chimes in with the usual.

Are you praying for race war, like the old Symbionese Liberation Army? That's an oldie but goody for a leftist, isn't it?

You are such a crappy human, r-v. Not as awful as garbage, but keep working at it.

garage mahal said...

Sorry, the White House is the new projects. Where between bouts of fried chicken and barbecue, the jive-turkey-in-chief plays president. And collects welfare payments

This blog is quickly becoming Stormfront-House.

MadisonMan said...

The NYT does seem to be bringing out the heavy guns in the Editorial. Not sure why they don't see shades of grey.


The deadliest tornado outbreak in a Generation occurs, and what't the lead headline in the local paper? Obama releases Birth Certificate

Talk about Much Ado about Nothing!

Sixty Grit said...

Frum is a founder of No Labels. He is a RINO at best, probably a closet socialist.

Dark Eden said...

David Frum, a Republican,
>>>

Even lifelong Republicans are troubled by (insert whatever message Frum's leftist masters want to push)

Come on, Frum is a Republican like I'm the Queen of England.

Chad said...

Thank you Shouting Thomas. It is clearly a fake. We need to get the truth as soon as possible before this usurper does even more damage to the foundation of this once great nation!

Shouting Thomas said...

This blog is quickly becoming Stormfront-House.

The predictable garbage from garbage. Garbage in, garbage out.

The left held a semi-official "Hate Bush" weekend in my hometown of Woodstock during the Bush admin.

The theme of the weekend was that Bush deliberately murdered 3,200 Americans to justify going to war for oil in Iraq. Two page spread in the Woodstock Times. Repeated showings of "Loose Change" at the Tinker St. Cinema. Mannequins of Bush dressed as Hitler in local shops.

And, now those same people are telling us it's racist to question anything about Obama.

Fat chance I'll buy into that one, garbage.

windbag said...

@browndog

Would anyone call this video racist, or hateful?

Yes, liberals can read minds, so they can see through the facts and arguments of the speaker and detect the hateful racism that is the true inspiration. You can count on the race card to turn up.

Shouting Thomas said...

I have not said that the document is fake.

I don't know. Although I work in the graphic arts, I'm not an expert on document authentication.

And, I don't have the original documents in my hand.

Would never make a judgment without seeing the originals.

timb said...

Almost Ali said...

But at least having him in the White House is keeping him out of the projects!

Sorry, the White House is the new projects. Where between bouts of fried chicken and barbecue, the jive-turkey-in-chief plays president. And collects welfare payments.


This just in, the woman who complains protestors tape paper to marble has no such problem with racists in her comment section.

Nice work, Professor.

Paddy O said...

Obama is to racism, what Palin is to sexism.

Big Mike said...

With all the hubbub, here's what I don't get. Why didn't he release his birth certificate a long time ago?

I know the MSM is pushing the meme that the birth certificate was part of a sophisticated political trap, but Trump forced the White House to spring it too soon.

Does that make sense to anybody who isn't a drooling idiot?

The only alternative explanation that makes sense to me is that Obama has been demonstrating his arrogance -- he didn't feel like releasing it, so the US citizenry could all go to Hell. Something like that.

Pogo said...

timb said...
"...no such problem with racists in her comment section."

Shocker!
Leftist moby makes a racist post, then leftist troll cries 'racist'.

Tag team mendacity.

garage mahal said...

The predictable garbage from garbage. Garbage in, garbage out.

So you do think "Chad" is a racist, based off this? [It has nothing to do with Bush].


Obama is not eligible to be president because constitutionally he is only three-fifths of a person. The Founding Fathers were very smart men who knew the natural order of the world. Every step that this nation has taken away from them has led to more turmoil.

Obama has proven that he is not even have three-fifths of the intellect and skills to be president. It is like hiring a chimp to do a man's job.

rhhardin said...

Obama was the cartoon candidate.

That's what it takes to get the attention of the MSM.

Sofa King said...

Okay, I looked at the document and I am confused. What am I looking at here? You've got something that looks like a scan, because it's got page curl and hand writing, but somehow ended up with additional security border around the scanned document that clearly was not scanned? So it's not a scan? What the hell is this?

Pogo said...

"So you do think "Chad" is a racist"

Chad is a moby.

One of yours.
Enjoy!

Dark Eden said...

Its so easy to spot Mobies because they act the way liberals would like to imagine Republicans act, instead of as real human beings.

SGT Ted said...

I am not a racist; I am a Typical White Person. Like Obamas mom.

I don't much care about Obamas black part. I just can't stand the elitist white European Socialist part.

traditionalguy said...

The only good thing that came from electing Barack Obama II was to complete the final guilt payments payments that white folks felt they owed to black folks since MLK did his job on the Boomers in the 1960s. That is so over now that the NYT is wasting everybody's time trying to restart it. Great White Guilt Express is over, and that political fact is one thing that Trump's assertive style is communicating.

garage mahal said...

Chad is a moby.

Whoever "Chad" is, would you consider him a racist? It's a pretty easy yes/no question.

Methadras said...

Do leftards have nothing better to do than scream racism at the top of their lungs constantly? Oh wait...

wv = wasto = more or less describes every leftard that ever existed and currently exists.

SGT Ted said...

Chad is as racist as any leftwinger who thinks that blacks need special government programs because they are black and, by inferrence, not as capable as whites.

Skyler said...

1. His mother was an American. That is sufficient.

2. A man should be judged on his character, not his birth status. He can't change how he was born.

3. Even if he wasn't an American, he's still been in office and he won't be leaving until at least two more years.

4. The real issue is that he's a marxist. Birtherism detracts from the real issues. This is almost tailor-made to distract substantive criticism by associating his critics with this malarkey.

Pogo said...

Step 1) Moby: ***Insert racist rant***

Step 2) Garage: "Racist post by Moby! GOPers are racists!

Step 3) Democrats profit!

Chad said...

We might be witnessing the final desperate act of this Obama abomination.

This document that they put out yesterday is an obvious two cent fake. The fact they had to roll out the trained chimp to defend it shows how desperate they are.

When the truth comes out I will demand that these traitors are tried and convicted for this fraud that they pulled on this nation. Gitmo is to good for these traitors.

I pray this desperate move yesterday signals that this national nightmare is about to come to an end.

Pogo said...

Sure, Garage, I'll play.

Yes, Chad is a racist lefty.

Dog bites man.

Pogo said...

Oh, I see now.

Titus is Chad. Same style.

Shame on you.

ricpic said...

Obama's gonna be taken down by the price of gas and groceries. How that can be spun as racist is beyond me. But I'm confident the Left will find a way.

The Drill SGT said...

garage mahal said...
This blog is quickly becoming Stormfront-House.


blogger ate the last one, so again...

Garage can make idiotic statements some times, but on this he is right.

Some of these 3/5's comments come from mobys but others from regulars. These aren't helpful in raising either the level of discourse or the tone here.

Lest your quotes become fodder for a NYT article on racism in the blogoshphere, how about bringing the tone up a few notches

Shouting Thomas said...

Whoever "Chad" is, would you consider him a racist? It's a pretty easy yes/no question.

No. He's either (1) a moby as some have claimed, or (2) he really intensely dislikes Obama and his policies.

FYI, disagreeing with Obama and even disliking him is not racism.

I've never really considered whether I dislike Obama. Neutral probably. I disagree with just about all his policies.

Do I think all this birther controversy will be effective? Don't know. You can never tell how things like this will work out.

Pogo said...

Gas and grocery companies are RACIST!!1!

Skyler said...

5. He's not a black man any more than he's a white man. His own existence points out the ridiculousness of trying to define race.

garage mahal said...

Step 2) Garage: "Racist post by Moby! GOPers are racists!

Never said anything about Chad being part of the GOP, a Republican, or a conservative. But I see your natural reaction is to instantly blame the other side. Pretty telling.

Almost Ali said...

A lazy president is racist.

$5 gas is racist.

Fried chicken is racist.

20% inflation is racist.

Rick67 said...

Leftie rhetoric: Race race race racism racist because he's black! racists racism race race it's all about race racists racially motivated racism racial undertones racists.

Our rhetoric: His ideas and polices are disastrous.

And yet *we're* the racists?

Pogo said...

"But I see your natural reaction is to instantly blame the other side. Pretty telling."

The Alinsky rules have been SOP for the left for years, Garage.

Didja think no one noticed?
Didja think we're all just stupid?

It's such bad fakery, it ought to be embarrassing.

Sixty Grit said...

Leftists cannot be embarrassed.

traditionalguy said...

A great disconnect is becoming apparent. The electorate is so far past the old ways that the established GOP political gurus use to evaluate every move, that when a real leader comes to them speaking to the electorate's mood today, he seems to them like a "cartoon clown". The Dems are also stuck on stupid trying to collect once more on the old paid off "Racism Debts" believing that they can always print some more as easy as Bernancke can print up money.

Franklin said...

Chad is just another racist Liberal.

Dog bites man, ho-hum.

Quayle said...

Inconceivable!

Mick said...

Skyler said...
"1. His mother was an American. That is sufficient.

2. A man should be judged on his character, not his birth status. He can't change how he was born.

3. Even if he wasn't an American, he's still been in office and he won't be leaving until at least two more years.

4. The real issue is that he's a marxist. Birtherism detracts from the real issues. This is almost tailor-made to distract substantive criticism by associating his critics with this malarkey."



Let's take this piece by piece

1) Where does it say that birth to 1 US Citizen makes one a natural born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS, especially when Congress agreed that McCain was a natural born Citizen because he was born of 2 US Citizens.

2) Granted. But there is no "right" to be POTUS. One must be eligible by A2S1C5. Do you think it also discriminates against 34 year olds? And I won't even go into Obama's character.

3)This is totally false. If the BC he just released is a fake he could be impeached. If the real issue of Obama's British Citizenship at birth is discussed, he can be undone by Quo Warranto in the DC District, as stipulated in the 25th Amendment.

4)True, he is a Marxist, but that doesn't mean we should let him Usurp the Presidency. The precedent of one born w/ foreign allegiance allowed to be POTUS is a huge victory for the NWO against the security and sovreignty of We the People. Everything he signed and all appointments (including the Communist SCOTUS appointments) would be null and VOID if he is ousted, So what are you talking about?

If the well known REASON for the natural born Citizen requirement was to prevent foreign influence, how is it possible that one born a British Subject (due to birth to a British Subject father) be eligible?

E.M. Davis said...

Chad said...
Obama is not eligible to be president because constitutionally he is only three-fifths of a person.

Let's hang Chad, shall we?


I was just content on ignoring the ignoramus.

traditionalguy said...

IMO Chad is 3/5s of a conservative commenter. The other 2/5s works for the Onion News Network. Very funny stuff, Chad.

garage mahal said...

The Alinsky rules have been SOP for the left for years, Garage.

Sure Pogo, whatever you say. Even if he is a liberal, funny that I called him out and you didn't.

dave in boca said...

Calling a non-supporter of Obama a "racist" is the latest iteration of the last refuge of the scoundrel. And the lamestream MSM is chock-full of scoundrels and airhead ditzes, namely the O'Donnells, who keep chirping "racist, racist" whenever Obama drives another car into the ditch and someone complains.

Simon said...

I think there's actually a kernel of truth to what the Fishwrap says: I agree that the birth issue "was simply a proxy for those who never accepted the president’s legitimacy…." It didn't, for the vast majority of people, have anything to do with race (one can't say that none of Obama's critics are racists, even though no one wants to concede this for fear that it will be blown out of proportion by Obama supporters). Rather, the eligibility question was a proxy for deep-seated but amorphous concerns about the President's seeming other-ness, his apparent disconnection from America, amplified by passionate political disagreement with his program. There is something alien about Obama's deportment, and there's definitely something alien about Obama's politics, and so it's readily understandable that these would subconsciously spark into a fear taht Obama is himself an alien. It might have remained a small fire, but Obama's own actions—I think deliberately—fanned the flames while it seemed politically useful. Now the fire is out of control, and nothing Obama can do will put it out; if yesterday revealed anything, it is that the birther mentality is hermetically sealed. Nothing will ever satisfy them, and all new evidence will be taken as proving just how far the conspiracy goes. All we can do is throw the bum out of office and hope the issue goes away.

Pogo said...

"Even if he is a liberal, funny that I called him out and you didn't."

Oh, bullshit.

You tagteam with fake 'conservatives', I ignore the lefty bastards.

Not into Democrat circle jerks, NTTAWWT.

cubanbob said...

Robert Cook said...
"The left fear The Trump, a democrat. And it is good."

Hahahahaha! No one "fears" Donald Trump. He's a clown and an egotist first, last, and always, and his antics are about no larger purpose than to feed his pathological craving for attention.

Anyone who thinks Trump has even a whisper of intent to actually run for the Presidency probably believes that elves make Keebler Cookies (or that Sarah Palin wants to be or could be President).

4/28/11 9:14 AM

Given a choice between an amateur clown and a professional clown, go with the pro, Trump. Now that The Light Worker In Chief has brought this country to a state of bankruptcy who better than Trump with his vast experience in hosing creditors to negotiate America out of the democrat's fiscal black hole?

Pogo said...

It's not elves?
Damn!

Sixty Grit said...

cubanbob wrote "democrat's fiscal black hole?"

RACIST!!!

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

You said black hole, that's racist.;^)

MayBee said...

Rather, the eligibility question was a proxy for deep-seated but amorphous concerns about the President's seeming other-ness, his apparent disconnection from America,

As well as his blatant lies about some of the people in his life. He and his people outright lied about Ayers and Rezko, and the press really let him do it.

The next thing on the agenda seems to be to declare Trump racist for bringing up AA w/r/t Harvard. Yet I remember the Bush years were filled with the Known Fact that Bush got into Harvard/Yale because he was a legacy. Bush was stupid.
Remember las summer when Paul McCartney made a Bush is Stupid joke at a White House concert? Was that racist?

I seriously hope Obama does not plan to win 2012 as a victim. But all of this is a shot across the bow of any Republican planning to run.

garage mahal said...

You tagteam with fake 'conservatives', I ignore the lefty bastards.

You have no fucking clue who Chad is/was. None. Zero. If Alinsky didn't exist, you would invent one.

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

Garage said fucking, that's sexist.

J said...

Have the birthers bothered to check Mitt Romney's birth certificate??

Given that mormons believe that ...the faithful nephites inherit a planet (or a few), he was probably hatched in another galaxy by his LDS parent-elders. Lets see proof Mitt's an earthling.

Tom Hilton said...

Thing One: it isn't just liberals who recognize birtherism as inherently racist.

Thing Two: When the issue of McCain's eligibility came up, Democrats crafted a bill (co-sponsored by Obama, passed with near-unanimous Democratic support) to remove any ambiguity about it.

Thing Three: if anyone really wanted to make a case that conservatives in general are racist, this thread would give them some pretty good evidence for it.

Joe said...

The Crypto Jew)
You have no fucking clue who Chad is/was. None. Zero. If Alinsky didn't exist, you would invent one.


No, Alinski’I was an invention of the LEFT, and if there was no Left, there would have been no Alinski’i….

As to some commenters here, the reason I don’t talk about them is I don’t care to feed the trolls…I I can’t know the provenance of all commenters, but having been here a while, I “know” a goodly number and so when a new voice comes in and starts talking about 3/5th’s I’m pretty certain they’re a “Moby” And then Garage or HuffPo points to the Moby and says, “See Teabaggers are racists….” I try to not give the Moby’s the satisfaction…it’s like the pathetic lonely voice that has a blog, that no one bothers to comment upon…why ought I give that little voice screaming “Look at me” the satisfaction. I wouldn’t give either a 3/5th or a Basura, whatever that is, the satisfaction of even noting them.

Of course, YOU might, because it fits into YOUR worldview…as someone said earlier, Moby’s are easy to spot, they sound like what Chris Matthews or Tavis Smiley THINK Republicans/Conservatives sound like…a 3/5ths comment sounds like what Garage or Cookie or Jeremy THINK TEA Party/Conservatives REALLY think and say, and so they believe they could be authentic. If you really understood the Right, you’d know that that’s not how we think or talk at all….

Hoosier Daddy said...

Indeed racism is never obvious to folks who like to think that they are neutral and object and have always got along with "the blacks."

I agree because that certainly explains Biden's 'clean, articulate storybook' comment or Ferraro's belief that Obama would not be in his position if he wasn't black or Harry Reid's 'accent' comment.

rdkraus said...

Hilton

1. Frum is something other than a conservative.

2. Obama was happy happy happy to run against McCain.

3. Squirrel.

rdkraus said...

Hilton

1. Frum is something other than a conservative.

2. Obama was happy happy happy to run against McCain.

3. Squirrel.

Pogo said...

"You have no fucking clue who Chad is/was."

1. Chad: "Profile Not Available"
2. Same Chad, previous posts: "This post has been removed by a blog administrator."
3. He writes like a bad caricature.
4. He writes like Titus does when unhinged.
5. His posts immediately bring in posts from the left denouncing him and saying he represents the right, often by new or rare commenters, like it was choreographed.

It's a stupid Alinsky ploy.

Shouting Thomas said...

Thing Three: if anyone really wanted to make a case that conservatives in general are racist, this thread would give them some pretty good evidence for it.

Oh, bullshit!

Fuck liberals and their white guilt trip!

If you feel that guilty, go to confession.

SGT Ted said...

and Toms proof of his contentions is....?

Nevermind that the 'birther' charge originated with liberal Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

The fact that white people have been so charged with ineligibility also escapes Tom.

No Republican took the charge that McCain was ineligible seriously.

Hey, when the Democrats ran Congress, why didn't they just craft and pass a bill that Obama was eligible and remove any abiguity about it? Are Democrats racist because they didn't.

Your proof of GOP racism is charges that the GOP is racist made by liberal Democrats, who, of course, have NOTHING to gain by making the GOP radioactive and repulsive to voters and who make that charge about everyone who doesn't agree with them.

such a poor attempt.

Simon said...
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AlphaLiberal said...

No, this racist question would not be asked of a white president, especially after it has been repeatedly disproven.

Questions were asked about John McCain during the campaign, they were asnwred, the subject was dropped (by almost, not quite, everyone).

Sigh. Will it never end?

Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta

Michael said...

Garage: "...funny that I called him out and you didn't."

Because if there is one thing a racist can do is to spot another one. Garage, you don't know five black people by name and probably haven't touched one in years if ever and you are such a sanctimonious person that you are able to spot racism better than anyone. Ever used the term Uncle Tom to describe a person of color with whom you disagree politically? Of course you have, but that's different isn't it?

garage mahal said...

5. His posts immediately bring in posts from the left denouncing him and saying he represents the right, often by new or rare commenters, like it was choreographed.

I never said Chad represented the right. You just assumed I did. Whether or not he is a moby, he/she is certainly a racist, agreed?

Shouting Thomas said...

No, this racist question would not be asked of a white president, especially after it has been repeatedly disproven.

Another guilty ridden honkie needs to go to confession!

Here's how you start, Omega: "Bless me father, for I have sinned."

Pogo said...

"Pogo said...
Sure, Garage, I'll play.
Yes, Chad is a racist lefty.
Dog bites man.

4/28/11 9:46 AM
"

J said...

10:37:

I wd not call the A-House hicks conservatives, Hilton. That wd be to insult ..Edmnund Burke, WF Buckley or even Reagan (not my fave pol, but had some spine).
A-housers are mainly just yokels on their AM meth binge, into the Lib-tard chant. Who cares if they got the f-ing Cert, Jed, he lied! and is still a lib-rawl marxist-mooslim and shapeshifter from the Constellation Draco!

Pogo said...

I mean, what's your point?

That you can spot a troll?

Good on ya!

J said...

STFU, Shouting TomTom.

Yr little hysterical schtick would make even am Aynnie Rand cringe.

They got the COLB. So you lost the birther game.

Now maybe back to the commie angle, deeep thinker. Or....SHAPESHIFTER

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Whether or not he is a moby, he/she is certainly a racist, agreed?


No, Chad is a “Moby”…that’s what we can know…what “Chad” actually thinks we cannot know….

J said...

Point? To put white trash populists like you the f**k away, Pogo.

J said...

Uh oh Crypto Joe Kissinger with some deeep insights. Now, lets hear your latest conspiracy bullcrap about BO's COLB.

Or maybe yr neo-conish justification of Iraq war again. Same shit, different day

Simon said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)


The pathetic little voice must be at a particularly low point of its life…what with all the insults, screaming, “Look at me, acknowledge me”…I guess the sitemeter hasn’t moved over there in a while, much less actually sparking enough interest to generate a comment.

Simon said...

I hate to respond to Mick, but his comment advances a common argument that simply must be answered. Mick says that if Obama was ineligible, then "Everything he signed and all appointments (including the Communist SCOTUS appointments) would be null and VOID if he is ousted…." This is one of the assumptions that fuels the birthers, but it's wrong. When I first encountered it, I was dubious; I am now almost convinced that it is wrong.

Many birthers simply assume that if Obama was ineligible, all those appointments and laws are void as fruit of the poisoned tree, but that's not so. I know of know case that holds any such thing, and as I've pointed out before, analagous situations suggest that the answer must be "no." Take an analogy to corporate law: suppose a board votes on a merger, and the margin of victory is supplied by board members whose appointments are later found invalid under section 101 of SarbOx. Does the court find the merger invalid and order a breakup? Nope. Or, come to think of it, What happens if the person who signed your birth certificate wasn't eligible to do so? Do you have no birth certificate? Are you void? Or suppose your attorney turns out to be unlicensed; is the judgment in your favor that he won thus invalidated? (Not only is the answer no, but in one case, the attorney even collected fees!)

Nor is it hard to see why, if we examine the text carefully. Now as in 1788, "the prevailing definition of 'eligible' is 'qualified to be chosen.'" Utah Public Employees Ass'n v. Utah, 131 P.3d 208 ¶74 (Ut. 2006) (Parrish, J., concurring). Founding-era dictionaries like Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language (1768), Ash’s New and Complete Dictionary of the English Language (1775), Sheridan’s Complete Dictionary of the English Language (2d ed. 1789) and the Improved Dictionary of the English Language (3d ed. 1798), and Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language (9th ed. 1805) uniformly define eligible as “fit to be chosen” and eligibility “worthiness to be chosen.” The focus is on a threshold condition: certain kinds of person may not be chosen. What happens if they are chosen anyway? Suppose that the chooser chooses that person anyway; for example, the Constitution forbids the electoral college from choosing someone who is less than 35, but they do so anyway. What then? Your assumption is that if someone wasn’t choosable, not only was the choice itself unconstitutional, but the chosen one is invalid, and his exercise of the office is unconstitutional, either directly or (as I've said) as fruit of a poisoned tree. But I see no reason to assume that, no caselaw to support it, and a lot of reasons to suppose it isn't so. And since this is one of the engines powering the birther movement (you're telling me there's a way to undo everything in one fell swoop instead of years of hard work? Sign me up!), it can't be allowed to stand unchallenged.

I readily admit that the right answer is counterintuitive, but is right nonetheless right. Ineligibility to be chosen is not the same as incapacity to serve (cf. Article I's requirements for members of Congress), and while one could vote against (or indeed, impeach) a President based on such concerns, they will not void his public actions

Shouting Thomas said...

J, I'm really glad I piss you off.

Put down the crack pipe and pull the dildo out of your ass for a few minutes.

garage mahal said...

Because if there is one thing a racist can do is to spot another one.

It doesn't take a lot of intellect to determine that calling a black person 3/5 of a human is a racist comment. Apparently for you that is a hard thing to spot.

AJ Lynch said...

Garbage is ecstatic that the President showed his birth certificate!

How will he impress you next - maybe by walking and while chewing gum?

yashu said...

Garage, I can't tell if you're really this dense or really this disingenuous.


Yes, Garage, the 3/5 comment (for example) is the epitome and quintessence of racism, real bad racism. That's just one of many obvious signs that this is an obvious case of mobyism. As obvious a case as any I've ever seen.

You seem to need someone to spell out the obvious to you. To call someone out as a moby is *ipso facto* to call out the content of their speech, to bracket that content as speech made in bad faith, hence not worth engaging with. It is to call out and bracket speech by that character as too absurd, hyperbolic, egregious, repugnant, and in any case *fraudulent* (because it doesn't actually represent someone's opinion but a false flag operation) to waste time seriously critiquing or refuting it.

And that's why 2 + 2 = 3 + 1, OK?

Brian said...

Or maybe yr neo-conish justification of Iraq war again. Same shit, different day

Is this the same justification for going into Libya?

Since 50K troops are still in Iraq, and will be there when the next presidential election occurs, does this mean Obama's bought in to the neocon's message?

And it's a bit much to call Obama a shapeshifter J. Even the racist Moby's haven't levelled that charge. Maybe it's because they know that's the Rakshasa from Hindu mythology. Event the racist crackers here know the difference between Islam and Hinduism.

J said...

YAP YAP!

and

a yappie YAP YAP

The A-house lap-poodles at work. Yr too pathetic to even f-ing bother with

Chad said...

FWIW, I am not a moby.

I do passionately believe that this country needs to get back to its Founder Fathers ideas. I do hate this usurper president. I WILL NOT curb my words to satisfy those who want to destroy this country or those who are too weak kneed to fight for it.

TWM said...

Obama is AWESOME! And black.

Titus said...

Do people think I am Chad?


Who's Chad?

Is he hot?

Being hot is so important.

Titus said...

Why did one of Chad's comments get deleted?

I am the most deleted commenter here...I think.

garage mahal said...

Yes, Garage, the 3/5 comment (for example) is the epitome and quintessence of racism, real bad racism. That's just one of many obvious signs that this is an obvious case of mobyism. As obvious a case as any I've ever seen.


So there are no real racists on the right or left. All mobys. Got it.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Really, many people see the Wright-wrought Zero as the true 'racist' in all of this.

After all, he did go to the trouble of throwing his grandmother under the bus, calling her a 'typical' white person. LOL.

We can then extrapolate that anyone that voted for Zero cast a racist ballot (as if voting on the basis of race grants some kind of liberal 'forgiveness') aimed at assuaging white guilt.

What is fascinating is the 90% of blacks that reflexively vote for blacks in most elections. You can't tell me this is based simply on the 'issues'.

AlphaLiberal said...

The birther issue really has revealed, once again, the many openly racist elements within the Tea / Republican Party.

Take this racist Tea Party member. Please!

Now that someone pointed out racism from within the Tea Party we will hear howls of protest from the con's that anyone would point out or confront racism.

Do conservatives appreciate how odd and embarrassing these protests are? They demonstrate to us quite convincingly that most conservatives today are not at all offended by racism.

Apparently, in their worldview, racists should be free to spout racism without any criticism, at all. That's fine by them!

According to the conservative value system racist speech is fine and should be defended while criticism of racism is loudly denounced.

Really, conservatives? Really? You're digging in on that one?

SGT Ted said...

you mean racist like hillary clinton?

AlphaLiberal said...

It was raised by Democrats against McCain.

It was raised, it was debated, answered and then the issue died away.

That is a humungous difference to the Obama situation where it was raised, debunked, raised, debunked, raised, debunked. Etc.

Conservatives won't let it go and now are digging in even deeper over school records, etc.

This is why you have forfeited respect and are inviting the scorn and ridicule you so richly deserve. You are beyond reason.

AlphaLiberal said...

you mean racist like hillary clinton?

No. I don't.

a psychiatrist who learned from veterans said...

Was it Steve Martin who said, 'WELL, EXCUSE me!!!'

Chip Ahoy said...

I see strong steaks of racism in NYT editors.

Michael said...

Garage: Listen dipshit, I live in the deep south. I worked in the civil rights movement at a time when it cost me dearly in money and security. I have had to physically fight for that cause. i will not be lectured by some small time piece of shit liberal who lives in Wisconsin about race or racism. Your fucking sanctimonious talk is just that. Talk. You are as full of shit on this topic as you are on every other one so don't you fucking dare insinuate that I am a racist or a sympathizer with racism you dick head piece of dung.

Titus said...

That video is hilarious Alpha.

Nigras-too much.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@Alpha

"According to the conservative value system racist speech is fine and should be defended while criticism of racism is loudly denounced."

That's not correct, and neither are the rest of your assertions.

I defend your right to be wrong, as I do my own.

Just because you SAY something is 'racist', does not make it so.

If you knew what true 'racism' was and didn't have such a weak and simplistic 'understanding' of the term and its modern use as a tool to silence, you wouldn't be so quick to use it.

SGT Ted said...

yea there are alot of racist Democrats out there. They brought about jim crow laws after all.

Plus, the Davis Bacon labor act that cut out black construction workers from working on government contract jobs, so that white union members would have job protection for their "prevailing wage", which was, miraculously, the union wage. The Democrat Party supporting unions didn't allow blacks membership and construction firms that hired blacks were undercutting union shops bids. Can't have darky taking away white mans bread, so thank you Democrats for the racist laws.

It took Republicans to pass the civil rights laws on the 1960, because Democrats weren't going to support it. It took republicans to call shenanigans on the South and put Federal troops down ther to guarantee civil rights for blacks and Democrats hated it.

Republicans openly repudiate and kick out racists like David Duke. Democrats keep their old KKK members and make them Elder Statemen for their party, who can call people 'white niggers' and be excused.

lots of proven racism from Democrats. They got nothin.

Robin said...

The racism cry just shows the hypocrisy of people like Alphaliberal and the NYT op ed page clearly.

Meanwhile, Trump has a long association with Democratic politicians and causes, and I'm supposed to believe that its the GOP that is embarrassed by him?

Uh, not.

AlphaLiberal said...

That's not correct, and neither are the rest of your assertions.

Bullshit. You may be new here but any mention of racist speech is denounced as "playing the race card." You are doing it yourself on this page.

Accusations that Hillary is a racist, Obama is a racist, NAACP is a racist are all part of the same pattern.

For example, I posted a video from a self-described Tea Party guy, above which is very clearly racist. (Of course, he says he is not as he goes onto complain about the "nigras" and the blacks. Friend of yours?)

Do you have agree? Do you criticize him? Do you disavow him and his words?

I have yet to see any conservatives do that (granted, I may have missed it).

Instead, when the racist elements of the Tea Party are pointed out, conservatives go ballistic on the critics of the racists and defend the racism.

AlphaLiberal said...

Most conservatives today embrace the racist and denounce critics of racist speech.

The proof is all over the Althouse blog.

yashu said...

"So there are no real racists on the right or left. All mobys. Got it."

Sigh. No, Garage. It just means that if X deems Y a moby, and it turns out that X is mistaken and Y is not a moby, X has in any case expressed disapproval-- more than disapproval, repugnance toward-- Y's remarks (the "calling out" which you sanctimoniously demanded). X finds them so repugnant or ridiculous he can't believe Y is on the level. X has dissociated his views from Y's, or recognized that Y's remarks are not to be taken as largely representative of the ideological camp to which Y purports (sincerely or fraudulently) to belong.

AlphaLiberal said...

SGT Ted displays gross ignorance:

yea there are alot of racist Democrats out there. They brought about jim crow laws after all.

Back on Planet Earth we know those were" Dixiecrats who were driven out of the Democratic Party (or reformed) and went to the Republican Party.

And today, the Republican Party has a stronghold in the south where they have run for decades their racist Southern Strategy, of which I am sure you are also ignorant.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Most conservatives today embrace the racist and denounce critics of racist speech.

The proof is all over the Althouse blog.

Pogo Proven Correct…a Moby comes in, a Moby Speaks, and then the Moby “Proves” that “Conservatives” are “racists”…as Pogo says, tiresome and predictable.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
And today, the Republican Party has a stronghold in the south where they have run for decades their racist Southern Strategy, of which I am sure you are also ignorant.

By which you mean, Democrats no longer carry the South and ergo the South must be:
1) Stoopit and
2) Racist.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@Alpha

"Most conservatives today embrace the racist and denounce critics of racist speech."

Wrong-o. You mistake free speech for 'what appears to be more acceptable', or, PC speech, Alpha. Nothing more.

Again, I support your right to make a damn fool of yourself. Please continue, it provides real-world examples to newcomers what fascism looks like, what with calling everything racism in an attempt to silence.

Carry on.

garage mahal said...

Garage: Listen dipshit, I live in the deep south. I worked in the civil rights movement at a time when it cost me dearly in money and security. I have had to physically fight for that cause. i will not be lectured by some small time piece of shit liberal who lives in Wisconsin about race or racism. Your fucking sanctimonious talk is just that. Talk. You are as full of shit on this topic as you are on every other one so don't you fucking dare insinuate that I am a racist or a sympathizer with racism you dick head piece of dung.

Nice screed. In your mind me calling out a racist commenter means I called *you* a racist?

Pro Tip: Learn how to read, comprehend, form a thought, and then respond, you hysterical crybaby.

AlphaLiberal said...

Don't Tread 2012:

So, to review, you don't have a single critical word for this obvious racist.

You can't bring yourself to criticize THAT?!?

All you have is denunciation of me for criticizing racist speech.

IOW, you are proving my point that conservatives embrace and defend racist speech and attack critics of racism.

Not very good at this are you?

E.M. Davis said...

I never said Chad represented the right. You just assumed I did. Whether or not he is a moby, he/she is certainly a racist, agreed?

He might be, but then again he may be playing with commenters like you (Garage) who will waste time with him because he makes outrageous, stupid, and yes, racist comments.

I cannot see into Chad's heart, as his profile is not available.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Does believing that every 'naturally-born' citizen should be able OR occasionally required to prove this citizenship, 'racist'?

It very much seems like your standard bureaucratic requirement to get a drivers' license, does it not?

Want a passport? Nothing less than a certified copy will do.

What's the big deal? No certificate, no service, just like anyone else.

AlphaLiberal said...

Wow. I posted a response to Don't Tread 2012 and it was deleted. Censorship!

DT12 proved my point:
* DT12, and no other conservative I've seen, has criticized the obviously racist speech from this self-described Tea Party guy.

Instead, DT12 went on the attack against me (and not very well).

This is deleted by Althouse? Really?!? Or is Meade deleting comments now?

WOW!

AlphaLiberal said...

Just to follow up, I encourage any conservative here to speak and criticize the racist speech from this guy.

Honestly, I would find that refreshing and to be a glimmer of hope. Instead of seeing the Blogstress deleting criticisms of racists!!

wtf.

AlphaLiberal said...

DADvocate said...

It's ALL RACIAL!!!

The small, weak minds on the left can't cogitate well enough to actually debate issues, perceive nuances or walk a mile in the other person's shoes. Therefore, all their "arguments" come down to charges of racism and ad hominems. Anything requiring deeper cogitation is beyond their grasp.

Now Obama puts out his fake birth certificate and all the NYT can say is racism, much easier than investigative journalism.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)



Alpha when you guyz get around to “Denouncing” Dohrn, Ayers, Pfleger, Wright, and all the folks at the various “Zombie” photo shoots, concerning the war or most recently Easter, we’ll think about “denouncing” some unknown TEA Party “spokesperson.” Until then you’re shtick is old and worn…..

AlphaLiberal said...

DT12, my responses to you have been deleted. I will try again:

Can you please just answer the question:
Do you consider this to be racist speech?

You have ducked this point.

E.M. Davis said...

Just to follow up, I encourage any conservative here to speak and criticize the racist speech from this guy.


Grady Warren is a supreme ass. He certainly would never represent my views.

Satisfied?

However, could you dredge something new up? This is from nearly six months ago.

DADvocate said...

Just to follow up, I encourage any conservative here to speak and criticize the racist speech from this guy.

Gimme a break. How much time do you spend looking up whackos? How much time do you spend criticizing the mysandrists, Christian haters, and freedom robbers of the left. I'd find it refreshing if people like you would grow a brain.

garage mahal said...

Now Obama puts out his fake birth certificate

haha. You're an after-birther. Congrats!

Robert Cook said...

Skyler said:

"4. The real issue is that he's a marxist."

Hahahahaha!

A more convincing case can be made that he's not a citizen...and the suggestion that he's not a citizen is delusion or willful ignorance.

windbag said...

Okay, Alpha, I'll take the bait. I don't know who that guy is, but the 50 seconds or so that I watched were enough to dismiss him as a racist loser. Happy?

Now, can you denounce the racists on your side of the aisle?

Don't Tread 2012 said...

@Alpha

The nut job on the video is roughly equivalent in right wing terms as Jackson or Sharpton in left wing terms.

I don't think there's anyone here that believes everything he says, for sure.

E.M. Davis said...

haha. You're an after-birther. Congrats!

ZING!

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