February 7, 2011

"Where are the liberal civil rights leaders in response to the openly racist comments and calls for violence against America's black Supreme Court Justice?"

"These same men -- all men, I believe, as per usual with the black civil rights groups -- got all in a multi-week, if not many month, tizzy with their allegation that what obviously was a 'say it don't spray it' situation at a Tea Party rally was a spit attack on a black Member of Congress, but they evidently do not care when persons at an event affiliated with one of the nation's most established liberal groups, Common Cause, publicly say they want Clarence Thomas physically attacked and put into slavery."

Says Amy Ridenour, via Instapundit, who uses the word "hypocrisy." It's something beyond hypocrisy, though, I think.

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mRed said...

Hypocrisy? Nah, just some white guys calling for a black guy to get lynched. Oh, wait...

Scott M said...

Yet more evidence that the wheels on the liberal bus aren't going 'round and 'round anymore. The internet has been this crowd's complete undoing.

Greg Toombs said...

Cynicism of a most pure quality.

Skookum John said...

I have put this on my facebook for three or four straight days. It is rocking the world of pious liberals who thought only conservatives could be racist.

FormerTucsonan said...

It's something beyond hypocrisy, though, I think.

It's apparently tacit support for the idea.

TWM said...

How to they feel, one wonders, the people who were caught on video saying these things? Embarrassed? Ashamed?

One would hope but you know it is neither.

Sad, sad, individuals liberals are.

Larry J said...

In the eyes of liberals in general and the civil rights movement in particular, someone can only be authentically black if they march in lockstep with what the liberals want. That being the case, in their eyes Clarance Thomas isn't really black so they don't see the comments as racist, and they really don't care about violence against conservatives, either.

rdkraus said...

They are being honest. They want him dead.

End of story.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)





When we say “fields” we don’t mean that in a racist sense, not as in go back to pick’n cotton, we mean it the PRC/USSR sense…back to the fields in a work camp, on 1100 calories a day/One Day in the Life Ivan Denisovich sort of way…see it’s NOT “racist.” You KKKOnservatives just don’t get it.

Pogo said...

But Common Cause is on the side of all that is right and good, so no foul.

Anyway, if Thomas and his wife would just learn their place, this would all go away.

Quayle said...
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Quayle said...

Their work is so vitally important, do you know, and your criticism of their moral bankruptcy is only getting in the way.

John said...

I wonder if that (white) idiot in the video, who says Thomas is dumb could name a single Thomas decision that he disagrees with?

He calls Thomas dumb but I think he does so from a position of ignorance himself.

I'll be interested to see what racist commenters here, carrying the water for the lynchers, have to say. Will they have any idea why Thomas has been a bad Justice? Somehow I doubt it.

FWIW: Thomas' autobiography "My Grandfather's Son" is a great book.

I had good thoughts about Thomas before, I have even better thoughts about him after reading the book.

John Henry

John said...

Make that "would be lynchers"

They have not lynched him yet.

John Henry

Brian said...

"It's something beyond hypocrisy, though, I think."

Why must you tease?

Lincolntf said...

Racial animus is a huge part of the Democrat ethos/social strategy. They won't condemn what they've been working for all these years.

virgil xenophon said...

So far, down to the latest as I type (Quayle) I'm in TOTAL agreement with EVERYTHING EVERYONE has posted.

William said...

I don't have much of a life, and I recently watched a season of Weeds. The series revolves around the life of a suburban housewife who becomes a marijuana dealer. She becomes involved with a Mexican gang. The series presented every known variant of the Mexican stereotype. For balance, the series also presented the Minutemen, the volunteer border patrol. The Minutemen were depicted ignorant racists who thought of Mexicans in stereotypical terms. As the series demonstrated, it is okay to be bigoted, if you do it in a hip, informed way, but there is no room in America for the kind of cheap, white trash bigotry that is prevalent among the Minutemen. The left's prejudices are a form of idealism; the right's are despicable and unworthy of anyone who aspires to be a member of the human race.

virgil xenophon said...

PS: Except to add that, with a white wife, Thomas is an OBVIOUS "Oreo" and thus beyond the pale (no pun intended) so it's open-season as far as the left--both black AND white--is concerned.

Big Mike said...

It's something beyond hypocrisy, though, I think.

Ya think? Maybe yeah.

TMink said...

Scott has it, now that citizens have access to raw footage and can put it on youtube, these guys are toast. It is because a house built on lies cannot stand inspection.

Trey

William said...

Various black elected officials have beome involved in some pretty ripe scandals. However, the one scandal that that liberals find that is beyond the bounds of all decency is the pass that Thomas may or may not have made at Anita Hill. Judge Thomas serves his office honorably. The over the top criticism directed at him, especially when looked at in comparison with the muted criticism of such flagrant scumbags as Kwame Kilpatrick is extremely unfair.

PETER V. BELLA said...

"Love me, love me, love me, I'm a Liberal..."

Phil Ochs

Shanna said...

I will never understand how people can go from “we have a small disagreement on policy” to “you should die”. It’s crazy. No one who ever says anything like that should be listened to seriously.

Not to mention...they said this to a camera. In 2011. The only way you do that is if you just have NO IDEA how this kind of thing will be perceived outside of your little bubble.

garaji mahal said...

Those were conservative plants.

Paddy O said...

"In the eyes of liberals in general and the civil rights movement in particular, someone can only be authentically black if they march in lockstep with what the liberals want."

This and William's comment about liberal prejudices being about idealism made me realize something.

Liberalism now, unlike in the distant past, is really all about the means. The ends, the goal, really isn't even important. Indeed, the goal becomes this unreachable realty that no matter the progress always demands more and more of the same means.

The sad thing is that people who genuinely want to see the goal achieved get seduced by people whose whole life and livelihood is invested in the means. So, they think that the liberal means is the only way to the end, then invest themselves in the means so much they begin to not care about the end. It's a recurring cycle.

All while the poor stay poor and ignored, with corruption and counter productive policies making sure there's never a need to lose the justification for the means.

The goal of seeing a black man in the Supreme Court isn't important because the end, the goal,isn't important anymore.

Dr. King had a dream. Nowadays, liberals have plans, and screw the dream if it gets in the way of the plans.

Pogo said...

@garage:
Nah; geraniums are conservative plants.

Scott M said...

Those were conservative plants.

For giggles, let's assume they're not. Thoughts, Garage?

Fernandinande said...

It's something beyond hypocrisy, though, I think.

The word for it is "liberalism".

Lincolntf said...

Those were mainstream Democrats, from Greenpeace to Common Cause to Code Pink, they're all members in good standing of the President's Party.

MaxedOutMama said...

How sweet, fresh meat.

How far does any society ever really get from barbarism?

It was rather chilling to watch stuff like "cut off his toes and feed them to him" coming out of the mouth of that sweet young thing.

Maybe progressives were so sure that the Gifford shooting was political because they secretly dream of such stunts ALL THE TIME.

God, I would not give these people a puppy.

garaji mahal said...

For giggles, let's assume they're not. Thoughts, Garage?

Remember all the liberal plants with those racist signs at the tea party rallies? We didn't want to discuss that because we assumed first they were plants. I'm just real surprised Althouse forgot all about this.

Kirby Olson said...

Necklacing.

PETER V. BELLA said...

I wonder if Big Sis is going to issue a manifesto on the dangers of the Left and their violent rhetoric. Just like she did with the Right a while back.

DADvocate said...

Is deceitfulness, and duplicity beyond hypocrisy? They seem more fitting. There's an implicit, rarely spoken, understanding amongst lefties that this kind of stuff is OK when done by them and their minions.

shoutingthomas said...

Remember all the liberal plants with those racist signs at the tea party rallies? We didn't want to discuss that because we assumed first they were plants. I'm just real surprised Althouse forgot all about this.

Don't remember anything of the sort happening, garbage. I mean, all the racist signs.

Let's see some proof. My bet is you're making it up, as you usually do.

virgil xenophon said...

William, you've hit on a pet peve of mine. Why is it that those on the left think they are the only "terminally hip" people on the planet? I'm convinced it's all part of their superiority complex. To admit of the possibility that those on the right can be just as "hip" and "au courrant" as themselves would put the right on their same intellectual, cultural and moral plane--which would surely signify the end of the known world. Funny thing, tho. In college when I was an undergrad mostly conservative fraternity & sorority types were most of the truly "cool" and "hip" (as well as intelligent--the "All-fraternity" men's grade-point avg at most schools is ALMOST ALWAYS higher than the"All-Men's " avg--and the spread would be even greater if one backed out fraternity men from the "all men's" avg., as they are obviously included) guys & gals--members of that most disparaged (by the left) group.( you know the charge: shallow, mindless, beer-swilling "frat boys")

And most college-educated corporate and professional people I know (outside of Hollywood types for whom mixed-race marriages are a social plus) who are in mixed-race marriages (in a civil society where it STILL can be a detriment to one's social standing and corporate advancement) are CONSERVATIVES--almost EXCLUSIVELY so. And consider Congress: Over the past 20yrs I can think of approx 10 mixed-race couples--ALL Republicans. I can't think of A SINGLE Democrat in Congress--EVER--who was married to a member of the opposite race. Democrats/the left (I'm talking mainly college-educated here) love minorities as "groups" to be courted for votes--not so much as individuals to marry and produce mixed-race children. So much for "liberalism"......

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

Remember all the liberal plants with those racist signs at the tea party rallies? We didn't want to discuss that because we assumed first they were plants. I'm just real surprised Althouse forgot all about this.



1) The Left didn’t accept them as ‘plants” but proof of TEA Party Perfidy, and still does…
2) The Plants were publicized BY the Left, i.e., the Leftist Plants went, held their sign up so the Huff could photograph them.
3) Here we have Leftists speaking to an anonymous pseudo-Leftist. In short, the Left thought it was speaking to itself.

virgil xenophon said...

Yes, Paddy O, it's ALL about the "narrative."

Lincolntf said...

Let's not pretend this is an isolated incident. This is how Liberals always demonstrate/protest.
A bunch of developmentally arrested malcontents and their keepers assemble to shout stupid populist rhetoric aimed at "the man", throw a little racial/class warfare rhetoric around, trash the venue and then go home to plan the next one.
A more useless collection of Americans does not exist.

edutcher said...

Like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann (sp?), Clarence Thomas is viewed as a traitor by the Lefties.

And we all know what Uncle Joe did to anyone he thought was a traitor.

Scott M said...

Remember all the liberal plants with those racist signs at the tea party rallies? We didn't want to discuss that because we assumed first they were plants. I'm just real surprised Althouse forgot all about this.

I remember quite clearly the actual, outed plants here at the St Louis Tea Party events. Background checks in a couple of obvious cases revealed local Dem party activists.

Again, though, you're not answering my question. What if they're not plants?

Phil 3:14 said...

I thought the word "racist" had lost its meaning because of how frequently and loosely it was bandied about?

Scott M said...

A more useless collection of Americans does not exist.

I dunno...I've been to Detroit.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

I thought the word "racist" had lost its meaning because of how frequently and loosely it was bandied about?


It will NEVER lose its potency, many hope…only thus can certain unwelcome voices be stilled or at least muffled.

Fen said...

Fen's Law: The Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about.

Lincolntf said...

"I thought the word "racist" had lost its meaning because of how frequently and loosely it was bandied about?"

It almost had lost it's meaning. But when we see political activists from a major Party calling for black men to be lynched or sent back to the fields, we are reminded that it's very real. Hopefully some Democrat will have the courage to condemn the hate groups that sponsored this event in their name.

Shanna said...

3) Here we have Leftists speaking to an anonymous pseudo-Leftist. In short, the Left thought it was speaking to itself.

Was that guy really a leftie? He seemed to be baiting them.

bagoh20 said...

There are, of course, stupid people on the right and the left and can easily be found and displayed, but the differences are pretty telling. Those on the left are much more ad hominem, violent and always have that pungent stink of superiority and belief in their own intelligence.

I have many liberal friends and I can almost always get them to a ridiculous point with just one or two questions, and I'm not even smart. They can't just say I'm evil or call for my death, so they get kinda stuck. They do usually resort to calling someone else on the right a vile name as an argument.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

3) Here we have Leftists speaking to an anonymous pseudo-Leftist. In short, the Left thought it was speaking to itself.

Was that guy really a leftie? He seemed to be baiting them.


Hence the statement PSEUDO-LEFTIE…they thought they were speaking to their own, he wasn’t “baiting them.” Well he WAS, but they just thought he was a like-minded individual.

bagoh20 said...

If they are plants, then most liberals I know must be plants. They portrayed them perfectly. Oscar quality acting, and they had the liberal arguments down pat.

Maguro said...

He might have been a Crypto Leftie.

garaji mahal said...

Again, though, you're not answering my question. What if they're not plants?

I don't know. What if all those suspected liberal plants at tea party rallies weren't liberal plants? Or, "Crashers" as Althouse would call them. Don't you remember all this?

"2. Tea Partiers should look around and listen and notice people who might be Crashers. Whether they are Crashers or actual fringe Tea Partiers, talk with them."

"Right now, the frauds may be assuming that Tea Partiers just accept people in their group who stand around with offensive signs and yell terrible things."

bagoh20 said...

"Hey, I'm on video calling for the lynching of a uppity Black man and his white wife."

You just don't get that from Tea Partiers much. You know, that racist radical right group.

If you asked 20 liberals about Thomas and 20 conservatives about Obama, is there any doubt which group would resort to violent and racist rhetoric most. It would be shut out, I think.

Lincolntf said...

James Taranto has a new piece re: the hate rally/NYT/Common Cause story.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704858404576129190719513936.html

former law student said...

I blame the lamestream media that fails to cover the stories that only the Right dare bring to light.

Civil rights leaders must be made to read Amy Ridenour's blog.

AllenS said...

garage mahal,

Please, if you're going to return to your usual schtick, please remove any inferences/pictures of the glorious Packers. Have some decency. Don't drag the Pack through the mud with you.

Scott M said...

Thus the last time I ask Garage anything. Answering a question with a question is the final straw for me personally, hombre.

/ignore.

ironrailsironweights said...

A biker pulls up at this roadside bar in Nevada. Inside he sees a absolutely stunning blonde barmaid, as well as a sign reading

Hamburger $5
Cheeseburger $7
Hand job $50


The biker asks the gorgeous barmaid if she does the hand jobs. She gives him a seductive smile and says, "I sure do, and I'm very, very good at what I do. So what can I do for you?"

"You can wash your f***ing hands. I want a cheeseburger."

Peter

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

Tea Partiers should look around and listen and notice people who might be Crashers. Whether they are Crashers or actual fringe Tea Partiers, talk with them."

"Right now, the frauds may be assuming that Tea Partiers just accept people in their group who stand around with offensive signs and yell terrible things."

So go ahead and post the HuffPo repudiation of these people, Garaji…I mean all you’ve done, in “defense” is to say that there were plants at the TEA Party and that the TEA Party said, “watch out”…you have failed to note the on-line postings that “outed” the Leftist Plants at the party’s…and surely if these were plants, you Lefties can demonstrate this right? We stoopit Conservatives managed to do so fairly quickly. This is NOT “news”, BTW…this has been on-line for about 1 week. It may be NEWS to you guys, but it’s not news to those of us on the Right. You folks need to watch something besides MSNBC or CNN, who no doubt, have NEVER seen this footage, but the rest of us have.

shoutingthomas said...

I gotta agree.

garbage, you never really have anything to say.

You are a fount of emptiness.

You're continued grunting about how everything disgusts you really isn't worth the effort you're putting into it.

If you are really in this state of continual disgust, perhaps you should consider that the problem resides within yourself.

garaji mahal said...

Ok I think I got it now. We must be diligent about Crashers or Impostors at conservative rallies. Maybe we need a new tag.

NotYourTypicalNewYorker said...

The NAACP holds Al Sharpton in higher esteem than Justice Thomas.

That's all that needs to be said.

former law student said...

I didn't doubt that these folks were liberals, until I read that the filmmaker had previously worked with notorious film faker -- never let the facts get in the way of a good story James O'Keefe. Does anyone recognize these individuals?

Further, a neutral observer such as the professor should cast her skeptical eye on representations of both the right and the left.

shoutingthomas said...

Ok I think I got it now. We must be diligent about Crashers or Impostors at conservative rallies. Maybe we need a new tag.

No, you didn't get it.

In addition to your eternal disgust bit, you resolutely refuse to read what other people write.

You're just yanking your pud, garbage. You're not insightful or clever. You're just beating off while you're staring in the mirror.

Doesn't that every embarrass you?

You're not the sophisticated cynic you imagine yourself to be. You're a beat off artist.

bagoh20 said...

Sending in plants to do this would be like planting pot smokers at a Grateful Dead concert. It's just easier to go and press record. They always got what you're looking for. Plants here don't even make sense.

Lincolntf said...

Plants? Heh. Not a chance, those are true believers. You can see it in the stupid gleaming eyes and the barely restrained angry twitches. That could be the crowd at any DNC.

Ankur said...

Regardless of whether that moron was a liberal or a conservative plant, comments like that are shameful and should be condemned. Shameful is too gentle a word, really. I don't normally subscribe to violence, but a knee in that guy's groin would be nice.

Having said that, anyone else think that his hair and moustache look fake? Maybe I am getting a little too conspiracy theory-oriented here, but since we were repeatedly told (by Ann, among others) during Tea Party rallies that the incidents of racism were liberal plants - here's what I would really like to know. Who is this person? And if their name can be found, what campaign contributions have they made in the last 10 years?

Roger J. said...

Does anyone have any evidence to suggest that there are plants on either the left or right during these rallys? I see a lot of assertions but precious little evidence.

I can be persuaded by evidence--but not by assertion. Bueller?

Ankur said...

Roger J, here is the thumb rule.

If there is racism in Tea Party rallies - it MUST be liberal plants.

If there is racism in liberal events - that's just how liberals are, dontchaknow?

Lincolntf said...

Ankur, have you missed the last decade of Lefty protests? They're all like that. We usually capture the death threats and hatred of America in handheld sign-form rather than on video, but there's nothing unusual about rhetoric like that at events like that.
Check out Zombietime/Zomblog(?) for mountains of pics/eyewitness accounts from previous "rallies".

Ankur said...

Oh wait..I shouldn't use the phrase "thumb rule". It has racist origins, and I don't want to become yet another racist liberal, in the eyes of this crowd.

Scott M said...

We had one in St Louis that was a cut-and-dried, put-away-it's-done plant. He went downtown to a Tea Party event, played the racist thing for a while and was shouted down by, gasp, white people.

The day after, a couple of the local blogs found enough info on the guy from past associations and groups he's worked for to satisfy the plant moniker.

Scott M said...

Oh wait..I shouldn't use the phrase "thumb rule". It has racist origins, and I don't want to become yet another racist liberal, in the eyes of this crowd.

Ankur's shark jumping moment. Everyone take a picture.

Ankur said...

Lincolntf, we must have a difference in perspective - because this guy looks conservative to me!

That's RIGHT! I can tell who is liberal and who is conservative by looking at their glazed eyes and twitches! isn't that amazing?

Get real.

David said...

It's fear and hate.

Fear and hate are first cousins. They hate Thomas and every other black man or woman who dares to leave the liberal plantation. If they could, they would return him in chains and whip him. They already tried to lynch him once but he got away, to their everlasting displeasure.

Lincolntf said...

If you're not calling for the lynching of a Supreme Court Justice, like your political allies are, then you probably don't have to worry about being called "racist".

Ankur said...

Well, scott - "thumb rule" does have racist connotations. Not that anyone should care about it. That particular comment was just my (ineffectual) attempt at humor.

Pogo said...

@Ankur: "I don't want to become yet another racist liberal..."

Too late.

Roger J. said...

once again I fear we are dealing with the folks on the third standard deviation from the mean--I am not willing to ascribe to "liberals" the idiocy of 2 percent of the population--and similarly I am not willing to ascribe to "conservatives" the same measure.

But it does serve both sides of the "debate" to make these foolish arguments.

Scott M said...

Well, scott - "thumb rule" does have racist connotations.

Sexist. Not racist. Ineffectual indeed.

Ankur said...

Ah yes. I looked it up, and you're right. I stand corrected.

Scott M said...

Ah yes. I looked it up, and you're right. I stand corrected.

"click"

(thanks for manning up, btw)

Roger J. said...

the "rule of " crap is right up there with superbowl sunday being the most violent day for domestic violence against women--the dumb shit feminists continue to screw the pooch on these dumb statements.

Ankur said...

Well, the power of google makes it easy to admit when you're wrong, and easy to prove when you are right.

For me though, in this current debate, it is interesting to see the responses when I make the same arguments that conservatives make when their brethren are accused of racism. "Plants!" , "Double Plants!" etc etc. One would think we were in a world war 2 spy movie, with spies, double agents, etc etc.

So, thank you, Roger J, for adhering to sanity.

Ankur said...

I mean, what if this guy were a plant? or worse..what if he was a liberal, pretending to be a conservative plant, pretending to be a liberal?

How devious.

Lincolntf said...

Ankur, you know full well the guy (and there are lot more than one) isn't a plant. You just keep waving that red herring because ackowledging the shitbag racists that make up the grassroots of your Party makes you uncomfortable.
These are people intent on "punishing their enemies", just like Obama wants 'em.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)




Except Ankur, so many of the “racists” at TEA Parties have been identified, as LaRouchites or just as Democrats/Liberals…not CLAIMED, actually IDENTIFIED, or they have been chased off, by TEA Party folks…just point out where you guyz have shown these to be plants or where folks at the rally turned on the videographer or the speaker and told them to STFU or leave…

Nice try to have it left with moral equivalence, “Well the right claims plants, too…” the Difference being we can generally provide some EVIDENCE, not just ASSERTIONS.

Shanna said...

I am not willing to ascribe to "liberals" the idiocy of 2 percent of the population--and similarly I am not willing to ascribe to "conservatives" the same measure.

I do agree with this, but when it becomes the idiocy of 5%/10%/25% of a particular population I have a different view.

The people on the tape were clearly idiots (a guy with a camera is trying to get you to say mean things, don't take the bait!), but the sentiment? Not the racism even, just the general hatred of anyone who disagrees? I don’t think that’s limited to 2%.

Big Mike said...

@Ankur, or, maybe, liberals feel that blacks owe it to them to stay safely on the plantation because of the 1960's.

Heaven help us that a Clarence Thomas, or a Thomas Sowell, or the Steele twins, or Michael Steele (no relation, at least not that I know of), or a Condi Rice would dare to get uppity enough to think for themselves.

Now I see that black columnist Colbert King has just discovered the problem of unwed children having children among inner city women. Amazing! Wait until he sees what happens to him.

WV: millime: Like Mini Me, but much, much smaller.

Ankur said...

Look - the point is, racism clearly is alive. As a brown person having lived in this country for a while, I have faced it too - but very rarely.

But most people from all political stripes are NOT racist. That includes super conservative folk in east texas as well as ultra liberal folk in san francisco.

If in the 21st century, someone is racist - and not only racist, but they are being racist on CAMERA! - then they are clearly a few standard deviations away from the median of sanity or intelligence. And, as such, any group would be ashamed of considering them a part of it.

You guys like to demonize liberals, just as I am sure many liberals like to demonize tea partiers. And yet, as you point out, most tea partiers would shoo away the overt racists among them. Most liberals would also shoo away the overt racists among them. It is what decent people do.

If you learn to accept the basic decency of people on the opposite side of you, politically speaking, then debates like this will become passe because it will be obvious to all that racists and loons aren't welcome.

At that point, maybe everyone can start having an adult discussion instead of the "he started it, she started it/ but you do it too" juvenile debates that often occur.

Coketown said...

Race isn't about skin color. It's about politics. It's why Clarence Thomas is white and most of my white liberal friends honestly, truly feel solidarity with blacks.

TMink said...

They are not plants. There narratives were not practiced, they were speaking off the cuff, it is easy to see. Now, they were encouraged by a lying interviewer, so they thought they were speaking to a confederate, but those were not plants.

Trey

garaji mahal said...

You guys like to demonize liberals....

Heaven forbid a white person stray off the conservative reservation and be a liberal!

Pogo said...

It's interesting, is it not, that the left plants false flag racists (proven fakes), and when confronted with racists of their own, claim they are fakes, but don't offer any proof.

Gee, it's like two sets of rules!
But I ain't bitching.

I'm following Alinsky rules now, and I will assume the left is racist, and treat it as such.

Comrade X said...

Ankur they weren't being racist. They just hate conservatives and their policies and expressed it in bad taste. What they wouldn't do is give the benefit of the doubt to a counterpart. O'Reilly asked Obama why he thought so many people hated him. They don't. They hate his policies and the left hates that argument.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

Most liberals would also shoo away the overt racists among them. It is what decent people do.



Then you should have NO problem producing this evidence…..Until then, it’s “Ignore Ankur” because this is what Ankur does, just repeat or re-post and freely admits there really isn’t desire to prove a case of anything, just use up “air time”…..

Lincolntf said...

"...instead of the 'he started it, she started it/ but you do it too' juvenile debates that often occur..."

Funny, that looks like the singular objective of all your posts.

We're talking about real, so-called legitimate non-profits engaging in backward and filth-filled rallies. Common Cause? Greenpeace? That's newsworthy. Regular people blithely donate to those groups and slap the bumper stickers on their cars.
The fact that these groups routinely play host to present and former Admin. officials adds another layer of interest, as does the perennial Dem racial strategy that has long been relegated to the Sharptons, Rangels and Mosely-Brauns of the Party. Is there a shift to a more Van Jones/La Raza approach?

Ankur said...

Joe, you are asking me to assume the burden of proof of an event which I have absolutely no way of proving - and I think you know that.

All I know is what I've seen in the video.

If that is your idea of a fair debate, then yes, feel free to ignore me. I will, however, continue to read your posts and respond when I can, if I feel I have something worthwhile to say.

AlphaLiberal said...

Yeah, they should not have said that.

But here is the right wing dishonesty: you people are actually comparing random interviews of anonymous people egged on by the videographer to statements as bad and worse from LEADERS, and ELECTED LEADERS of the Republican Party?

I mean, it's really deeply idiotic to contend that intemperate remarks by some rank and file people on a street at a rally are the same thing as years of calls broadcast over the mass media for beatings, shootings, poisoning and various other calls for violence from prominent conservatives like Glenn Beck, Erick Erickson, Sean Hannity, Michelle Bachmann, etc, etc?

Or that it's a reflection on Common Cause. Do you even believe yourselves?

Oh, BTW, I'll bet those existing on a Fox News diet alone don't know that in the last month we saw two new cases of right wing political violence, fortunately nipped in the bud:

In Spokane, Washington, a bomb with remote detonator was found at the site of the MLK march by government workers. The march was rerouted and tragedy averted.

In Dearborn, MI, a 63-year old man was stopped on his way to blow up the Islamic Center of America. This act of attempted domestic terrorism against Muslims was, fortunately, foiled.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110130/NEWS02/110130013

newton said...

"The NAACP holds Al Sharpton in higher esteem than Justice Thomas."

That paragon of moral virtue and "social justice", Al Sharpton, owes $3.7 million to the taxman - local, state and IRS. I guess if he can extort from "The [White] Man" in exchange for their compliance and silence, everything's peachy.

As far as I know, Thomas has not owed the IRS that much.

Ankur said...

"Funny, that looks like the singular objective of all your posts."

Really, lincolntf? You are making an assertion about me that I think is a false assertion. If you are referring to the Glenn Beck thread - I mentioned right from the beginning that I was play acting. But aside from that, I would like to see any examples you might have where I have acted in a "you started it first" manner, and I will be glad to apologize for any and all of them.

PaulV said...

Common Cause thinks that since Justice Thomas has left the liberal plantation that they can invoke Dred Scott and haul him back and lynch him. Funny how Left call people that disagree with them stupid when those people are not.

Lincolntf said...

Alpha Liberal falls back on old Glenn Beck slurs as his "eleventy!!11!!" charge, while his Democrat Party proudly kept a fucking Klansman in the Senate for decades. They'd still have him if Hell hadn't beckoned so insistently. There's not a single honorable person on the Left.
Not. A. One.

newton said...

"In Spokane, Washington, a bomb with remote detonator was found at the site of the MLK march by government workers. The march was rerouted and tragedy averted. "

Did they find the jerk who did it? If so, is he a "right-winger"?

"In Dearborn, MI, a 63-year old man was stopped on his way to blow up the Islamic Center of America. This act of attempted domestic terrorism against Muslims was, fortunately, foiled. "

The man was a mental case (PTSD, etc), who had been causing trouble in his home state (not MI) over the years. Is he a "right-winger"?

PROVE TO ME those perpetrators were "right-wingers", and then come back and talk to me.

You must be extremely upset that Jared Loughner was not the "right-winger" you all thought he was...

Big Mike said...

If you learn to accept the basic decency of people on the opposite side of you, politically speaking, then debates like this will become passe because it will be obvious to all that racists and loons aren't welcome.

That used to be true. With a few regular liberal commentators on this blog -- Beth comes to mind -- it still is. But for most of you liberals, it simply isn't true that you are basically decent, and it hasn't been true for years -- maybe even decades. Things are what they are, and if you're not comfortable with what they are then work to change them. Just don't come whining on my shoulder.

AlphaLiberal said...

Why so little outrage from the right wing on the attempted MLK bombing in Spokane? Did I miss it? Althouse? Did you say anything about it?

Anyone have a link to the right wing pundits and leadership outraged over the attempted MLK march bombing or the attempted bombing of the Dearborn Muslim center?

In the twisted conservative world, someone using a bad choice of words at a rally is far worse.

Lincolntf said...

Ankur, you're entire 11:17 post is an exercise in mitigating parallels and equivocation.

woof said...

What about Strom Thurmond ?

"I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the niggra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches"

PaulV said...

Gargji. AA was calling out the liberal leader, who, like you, refuse to condemn the lynch mob. Not surprised you are unable to understand language and think.

Ankur said...

Really? because I thought the 11:17 post was about using the same standards to judge similar events. I thought it was en exercise in fairness.

Lincolntf said...

woof, are you kidding?
Even mentioning Strom Thurmond can derail the career of a Republican. The Democrats sniveled at Kleagle Byrd's feet until his dying day. They still never speak ill of that "elder statesman" shitheel.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)





Remember, Senator Byrd only joined the Klan, because West Virginians were RACISTS! He didn’t want to, he just wanted to get elected….Former POTUS Billy Jeff sez so….

virgil xenophon said...

"...barely restrained angry twitches."

LOL. Boy that encapsulates it in the proverbial nut-shell, Lincolntf.

AlphaLiberal said...

Newton:

A) Roger Stockham, the attempted bomber from the Dearborn incident, is exactly the type of person who can be set off by bombardment in the mass media of message of hate and violence from LEADERSHIP of the conservative movement.

He repeats the rhetoric from the right wing, such as anti-government and anti-Muslim rhetoric.

B) The sophisticated bomb found in Spokane was targeted at an MLK rally. Leftists and liberals and Democrats LIKE MLK day. They people who HATE MLK day are right wingers.

Unless you want to make the idiotic, yet not surprising, claim that a liberal would target an MLK march.

PaulV said...

FLS, Garage and other defenders of lynching. Do you think this well known leftist is a plant? Left is full of hate and has been for a long time

“I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease….He is an absolutely reprehensible person.” — USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas, November 4, 1994 PBS To the Contrary.

AlphaLiberal said...

Lincolnrtf:

while his Democrat Party proudly kept a fucking Klansman in the Senate for decades.

Senator Byrd renounced his association, his statements through both his own words and deeds. He apologized.

Decent people accept an apology, especially after about 5 decades. Then there's you.

By all means, show us where Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or any other right winger has EVER -- EVER -- apologized for calling in mass media broadcasts for liberals and Democrats to be shot, beaten, hung, poisoned or blown up.

Big Mike said...

@Alpha, it's your assumption that the bomb in Spokane must necessarily have been built and planted by someone from the right wing. That's merely an unsubstantiated hypothesis. The last I read in the WaPo the FBI was still investigating.

And unless it was built and planted by a major conservative organization, instead of a lone nut-job, the parallels with Common Cause are weak. Common Cause claims that one component of its vision is to

"• Protect the civil rights and civil liberties of all Americans." (emphasis mine)

How does that square with calling for the lynching of a Supreme Court justice?

garaji mahal said...

FLS, Garage and other defenders of lynching.

WHY DO CONSERVATIVES HATE FREE SPEECH???? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SHUT EVERYONE UP????

AlphaLiberal said...

Who are these people they've interviewed, anyway? There are no names given. For all we know, they might be conservatives just making tape.

Conservatism has gone batshit.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

By all means, show us where Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or any other right winger has EVER -- EVER -- apologized for calling in mass media broadcasts for liberals and Democrats to be shot, beaten, hung, poisoned or blown up.



Well when you can show that they HAVE called for these things, we might have a dialogue….And you might start with Randi Rhodes and her call for Dubya to be shot,

AlphaLiberal said...

Big Mike:

"How does that square with calling for the lynching of a Supreme Court justice?"

Who did that? Names, please!

Big Mike said...

You did, you boneheaded son of a $2 streetwalker.

Prove you didn't.

AlphaLiberal said...

Joe:

"Well when you can show that they HAVE called for these things, we might have a dialogue…."

I have done so on these pages dozens of times. And the conservatives here just ignore it.

It's simply a waste of time to try to reason with conservatives.

One example:

Glenn Beck: "You're Going to Have to Shoot Them in the Head'

pst314 said...

Thumb rule? Where the heck is the racist or sexist connotation of a carpenters using their thumbs to do rough measurements?

ken in sc said...

The sexist interpretation of the 'rule of thumb' is a phony back formation created in the 70s by feminists trying to prove that western culture was naturally misogynist.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

One example:

Glenn Beck: "You're Going to Have to Shoot Them in the Head'



That’s the best you got…you might want to read or listen to the clip…Beck is NOT calling for shooting people in the head…he was pointing out that Liberals, in alliance with LEFTISTS, may find themselves “shot in the head” by their alliance partners….

Sadly you fail….but thank you for contributing….

Waiting for an apology for “Snipers wanted” on a Late Night TV Program….BTW.

Big Mike said...

Because a rally theme was the Supreme Court's Citizens United campaign finance decision, Hartsock asked people about Justice Thomas.

Among the more outrageous and radical comments captured on video by Hartsock:

A man said Thomas should be impeached and "put... back in the fields." The same man also said Justice Samuel Alito "should go back to Sicily" and Fox News president Roger Ailes "should be strung up... kill the bastard!"


A woman suggested that punishment for Thomas should be to "cut off his toes one-by-one and feed them to him."


Another woman, speaking about Thomas, said, "I'm all about peace... but I would say torture" him.


Yet another woman threatened Thomas and his family, saying: "String him up... and his wife, too. Let's get rid of Ginny [Thomas]."


A man said the way to deal with Thomas is to "hang him."


A woman identifying herself as "Momma Donna" called herself Fox News host Glenn Beck's "worst nightmare" and issued a challenge to duel Beck, warning "I pack Glock" -- a handgun.

Along with the participants of the Common Cause conference, Hartsock said the rally was composed of people affiliated with Greenpeace, Code Pink, Progressive Democrats of America, organized labor groups and others.

Hartsock's video can be seen (as of February 4, 2011) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc&feature=player_embedded
.

PaulV said...

Garbage, why do you yell at me and not at those who call for lynching of a black man?

I said "FLS, Garage and other defenders of lynching."

garbage replied: "WHY DO CONSERVATIVES HATE FREE SPEECH???? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SHUT EVERYONE UP????"

I did not ask you to shut up, merely asking you to speak up against hate speech. Are you too angry to understand that request?

former law student said...

Sixteen years ago a black woman hoped a black man's wife would raise his cholesterol, so we should take self-professed conservative activist Christian Hartsock's video at face value?

I'm not seing the sequitur there.

former law student said...

I condemn every manifestation of hatred in Christian Hartsock's little docudrama. His scriptwriter ought to be ashamed of himself.

pst314 said...

"I have done so on these pages dozens of times. And the conservatives here just ignore it."

Bullshit.

Alpha Liberal and his friends have been repeatedly schooled on this blog regarding the many instances of prominent liberals inciting hate and calling for the death of conservatives.

And yet, every time the topic comes up again, Alpha Liberal and Garage conveniently forget all the instances that have been cited.

Funny, that. It's almost as if they have no interest in honest dialogue.

PaulV said...

FLS,
AA asked why don't liberals condemn the cals for lynching?
It would seem that you are not honest enough to answer her question. You try to change subject because you are afraid of deserting liberal plantation?

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

I condemn every manifestation of hatred in Christian Hartsock's little docudrama. His scriptwriter ought to be ashamed of himself.



Well done, now that you can’t show any evidence that the Left policed itself at the event, and now that AL’s little trope of “The Right is just as much Poopy-Heads” is imploding, simply claim that this is all a Big Lie…WELL DONE, I guess as they say, “Any port in a storm.”

Lincolntf said...

How many Democrat leaders and candidates will continue to speak at events sponsored by these hate groups?

Will any of them sound the alarm?

former law student said...

AA asked why don't liberals condemn the cals for lynching?
It would seem that you are not honest enough to answer her question.


1. Liberals are unaware of this fascinating film.

2. The film was made by a person with an axe to grind, an admitted associate of the fantasist James O'Keefe.

garaji mahal said...

I said "FLS, Garage and other defenders of lynching."

I didn't see anybody defend lynching. But when you see any documentary from the loins of noted huckster Andrew Breitbart, you must assume first it's fraudulent.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Two discrete points:

My understanding is that the folks at the Common Cause rally were bused in by the organizers. That puts a little more onus on the organizers.

Alpha Liberal argues that a bomb at an MLK event obviously must be a right-wing plot, because right-wingers don't ever celebrate MLK. I seem to recall a prominent right-wing TV commentator who held a rally, at the Lincoln Memorial, on the anniversary of Dr. King's famous speech there--and Rev. Al Sharpton about had a stroke, complaining about how terrible it was.

Honoring Dr. King and the cause of racial equality belongs to all Americans and all people of good will.

DADvocate said...

it's your assumption that the bomb in Spokane must necessarily have been built and planted by someone from the right wing. That's merely an unsubstantiated hypothesis. The last I read in the WaPo the FBI was still investigating.

Doing a little Googling, there are few answers about this right now. I found several references complaining that there has too little coverage about this, period.

Chemically, the bomb resembles some Palestinians have been using in Isreal. Interesting.

I guess in current times we can't wait very long for answers. We still don't know who sent the threatening fax to that state senator in Hawaii, either.

J said...

Misreading, and Malkinish like moral pandering.


Thomas is a piece of sh*t because of his politics and decisions (like agreeing to CU). Then so are the rest of the SC gangsters. THat's the issues. Focusing on the race issue overlooks his judicial politics, which are hardly different than Il Duce Scalia's

Scott M said...

2. The film was made by a person with an axe to grind, an admitted associate of the fantasist James O'Keefe.

LOL! Ever peruse the Sundance film list? Cannes? LOL, indeed.

Apparently, having an axe to grind, then going out and filming the target of your ire is bad form. I'd chalk this up to the left continuing to reel back on their heels as one dose of their own medicine after another gets shoved down their throats sans sugar.

pst314 said...

"his judicial politics, which are hardly different than Il Duce Scalia's"

Ah, the accusation of fascism, the first resort of the lumpen left.

Let me know when you grow up, boy.

former law student said...

http://www.mediaite.com/online
/rachel-maddow-exposes-foxs-bogus-coverage-of-acorn/

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Fr Martin Fox said...

"il Duce Scalia"?

???

No slur there, no sirree!

Any minute now we can expect Dr. Burchard's highly effective "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion" speech to be trotted out.

jerryofva said...

Alpha:

The man arrested on the way to bomb the Islamic Center in Dearborn MI was...drum roll... a wackjob Muslim convert.

http://womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/2011/02/dearborn-terror-case-update-sunni.html

Hardly a representative of a conservative.

rocketeer67 said...

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Maddow? Mediaite?

Apparently, shaming you twice is not enough.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)





Is that the one that shows that O’Keefe wasn’t dressed as a pimp? Of course it doesn’t demonstrate he edited out anything, either…that the ACORN folks had NO problem with funding a Prostitution Ring, using UNDER-Aged ILLEGALS…the only lie was that O’Keefe didn’t have his Pimp-Daddy Outfit on….

Michael said...

FLS: Thanks for the link to Rachael Maddow"s take on the ACORN matter. Do you get your news from Maddow? Do you consider this article a refutation of the premise of the ACORN films?

And how was it you were "fooled" by the film maker?

AlphaLiberal said...

A few examples before I leave this bizarre place:

Ann Coulter: “My only regret with Tim McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building”

Glen Beck: “Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could.”

Glen Beck: Portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests “driving a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers.”

Glenn Beck: Acts out scene in which he poisons Nancy Pelosi.

Glenn Beck: “When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and literally stealing our children’s future out of town? Grab a torch.”

Rush Limbaugh: “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus–living fossils–so we we’ll never forget what these people stood for.”

Michael Savage: “I say round liberals up and hang em’ high. When I hear someone’s in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-25.”

Signs seen at Tea Party Rallies:
“We didn’t bring our guns….this time”
“If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can”

Erick Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"

virgil xenophon said...

"Apparently shaming you twice is not enough."

M'thimks you're going to need an exponential in the form of side-ways figure-eight for fls before your through, rocketteer67.

jerryofva said...

Alpha:

You quote some words while a leftwing psychotic actually guns down a Blue Dog Comgresswoman and a conservative federal Judge.

Before you leave would you like to correct your assertion that the Dearborn attacker was a conservative?

PaulV said...

J, FLS, garbage, Do you really think Breitbart used mind control to make those liberal say those horrible things? Still unable to condemn those who talk of lynching? It says much about you. And what it says is not good. Are you mobys?

Lincolntf said...

All of AlphaLib's "quotes" are from media figures or anonymous sign holders.
On the Left, it's President Obama himself who is using gun analogies, encouraging anger, and insisting that his constituents rise up and punish their enemies.
The Dems own this mess lock, stock and barrel.

former law student said...

After a full investigation of the O'Keefe videos shot in California(O'Keefe and his henchwoman were granted immunity from prosecution) California Attorney General Jerry Brown had this to say:

"The evidence illustrates," Brown said, "that things are not always as partisan zealots portray them through highly selective editing of reality. Sometimes a fuller truth is found on the cutting room floor.

Partisan zealots?
Check

Highly selective editing of reality?
Who's to say? But it happened once before.

Pogo said...

"Highly selective editing of reality?"

Imagine that; showing video with the words exactly as spoken! No wonder you can't trust the right!

(Minus 5 points for quoting Gov. Brown. Poster child for "Too much Ganja, Mon".

Scott M said...

Who's to say? But it happened once before.

Once? I count 14 Micheal Moore movies. As I said...reeling...dose...medicine...etc

garaji mahal said...

Imagine that; showing video with the words exactly as spoken! No wonder you can't trust the right!

You can't trust the right, for good reason. They could care less if the tapes were a dishonest edited clusterfuck.

ACORN: Boogity Boogity!

Michael said...

AL: Can you not distinguish between irony, hyperbole and true malice? Really, you can't?

Michael said...

FLS: Well, thanks for the report from Gov. Brown. So it was all a fiction and the good folks at ACORN did nothing wrong? Got it.

jerryofva said...

FLS:

You are aware of the numerous Acorn affilliated people who have gone to jail for vote fraud aren't you?

DADvocate said...

"When I hear someone’s in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-25.”

Savage was speaking of protecting himself from his civil rights being taken away.

I don't have an AR-25. But, when I hear someone's in the civil rights business, I know it's not to protect or guarantee mine. On the rare occasions my rights are protected, it's an unintended consequence of protecting or asserting someone else's.

Paddy O said...

Partisan zealots?
Check


Are you talking about Breitbart or Jerry Brown here?

Because Jerry Brown is the newly elected Democratic governor of the very partisan state which refused to follow its duty in the appeal over prop 8 because the politicians just don't agree with the people's votes.

Not to say there wasn't editing involved to make it seem worse, but the core was still quite damaging. Indeed, the whole Planned Parenthood issue recently shows that Breitbart was showing something that apparently wasn't limited to Acorn.

This isn't to say liberals are evil and conservatives are good. Just that liberals do come off seeming especially evil because when they are evil, they're often evil in the contexts of poverty and suffering, so they take advantage of those who can least afford it.

Being evil when talking about helping the least among us seems much worse than being evil when you talk about doing whatever it takes to make more money. At least the latter don't bring expectations of good.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)

Alpha says: Glen Beck: “Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could.”



From: Media Matters:
Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?
I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death," and you know -- well, I'm not sure.

I’m thinking that Alpha is simply humoured-impaired…Since Beck is joking, and points out that well choking Michael Moore to death would be wrong…

former law student said...

You are aware of the numerous Acorn affilliated people who have gone to jail for vote fraud aren't you?


As far as I have been able to find out, the number is zero.

ACORN was bilked by several employees who faked registration cards, however. Last year, 18 such workers were convicted of voter registration fraud: submitting cards with identical signatures, names of the deceased, nonexistent addresses, etc. Some people will never do an honest day's work for a day's pay.

PaulV said...

Thanks Joe for showing that liberal posters on this board are not above selective editing when pushing outright falsehoods.

jerryofva said...

fls:

Like a mafia don who responds to questions abuot his convicted associates.

DADvocate said...

ACORN was bilked by several employees who faked registration cards, however. Last year, 18 such workers were convicted of voter registration fraud: submitting cards with identical signatures, names of the deceased, nonexistent addresses, etc. Some people will never do an honest day's work for a day's pay.

And these people just happened to end up working for ACORN.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!

Big Mike said...

AR-25 is a US Army technical manual. I think you meant AR-15?

Personally I'm a fan of the Springfield Arms M1A.

Big Mike said...

The Professor asked whether the liberal non-reaction to crazies spouting off at the Common Cause rally is "something beyond hypocrisy." I think Ankur, FLS, and Alpha have proved beyond all shadow of any doubt that the answer is affirmative. They are beyond hypocrisy and beneath contempt.

Scott M said...

Personally I'm a fan of the Springfield Arms M1A

Priced three a couple days ago. With/without the wooden furniture and with/without the NP barrel. Ugh...$1600 and up.

I'm in the market for a good .308 versatile long rifle...for zombies and whatnot.

Big Mike said...

@Scott, I didn't say I own one. I said I'm a fan of one.

Scott M said...

Course...you never go anywhere with your mutated anthrax...for "duck hunting"...(wink wink)

Pogo said...

The Colt LE6940 Carbine is rather nice to shoot.

Phil 3:14 said...

To be fair the "interviewer" at the Common Cause rally did egg on the comments. However, it should be noted that no less than the sponsor of the rally, Common Cause, denounced the racists comments. So from that perspective its odd that no one else on the left followed suit.

Breitbart could be far more effective is he wasn't so P**sed off at the left.

And again the thread degenerates into a discussion of who uses more hateful, violent and/or racist rhetoric. Is that really a "fight" you want to engage in?

Ankur said...

Big Mike said..

" I think Ankur, FLS, and Alpha have proved beyond all shadow of any doubt that the answer is affirmative."

This whole "beyond all shadow of doubt" is exactly the problem. The unwillingness to admit even the possibility that you might be wrong. The utter certainty of the rightness of your position.

Show me ONE post where I have condoned the things said by the racist moron in the video.

In fact, pretty much every post I have made has questioned the "established narrative" in much the same way as you question the established narrative when Tea Partiers are accused of racism.

Is your claim that NOT ONE tea partier is racist? I am sure it isn't, because that would be absurd and a very difficult thing to prove. Similarly, there are racist liberals as well.

What does that mean? there are racists in all walks of society. It is unfortunate that tea partiers have to bear the burden of racism more - whether it is because of media generated narratives or because or "liberal plants" or because of the 1-2% of genuinely racist individuals. But it is encouraging that it seems most tea partiers are pushing back against that racism.

Remember - this is the age of soundbytes and twitter. The 1-2% of the loons are getting magnified much more than they should be because WE, THE MARKET FOR NEWS PAY MORE FOR DRAMA. We can blame the media all day long. But the truth is - WE are the consumers. And WE decided with our dollars what to watch/read/follow.

Lincolntf said...

"And again the thread degenerates into a discussion of who uses more hateful, violent and/or racist rhetoric. Is that really a "fight" you want to engage in?"

Unfortunately, the alternative is to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that these shitbag Greenpeace and Common Cause "activists" are perfectly harmless.
Keep sending them money, keep seeking their endorsements, keep rallying with them for every cause du jour, and you ARE them.

Sofa King said...

But it is encouraging that it seems most tea partiers are pushing back against that racism.

Hasn't it occurred to you that the tu quoque employed by, e.g. Althouse is in fact what that "pushing back" looks like?

It is a tactic not to disclaim the existence of racism, but to discredit the perennial accusers.

Michael K said...

I wonder if that (white) idiot in the video, who says Thomas is dumb could name a single Thomas decision that he disagrees with?

You mean Harry Reid ?

http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2010/01/harry-reid-racist-flashback-called.html

jerryofva said...

Scott:

I'd go with the Remington 700/308. It's a highly accurate bolt action rifle and is probably the most accurate rifle since the '03 Springfield. It is also available in 223, 270 and 30-06

ricpic said...

Being evil when talking about helping the least among us seems much worse than being evil when you talk about doing whatever it takes to make more money. At least the latter don't bring expectations of good.

Actually, making money is good, for the individual and the society. It's printing money that's the problem.

Big Mike said...

@Ankur, you are trying to provide the shield behind which FLS and Alpha can hide while they lob their fecal matter. That makes you every bit as guilty as they are.

Is my claim that not one Tea Partier is racist? No, my claim is that is that the left wing is riddled with racism of their own, demonstrated by the bile they direct towards black men and women who dare to think outside the box that the left has created for them. And you that's why I view you as being an essential component of the left wing lunatic fringe. You're the guy trying -- and doing a poor job of it -- to play "good cop." I'm familiar with the tactic, so I don't buy what you're trying to peddle.

Ankur said...

Sofa King: "It is a tactic not to disclaim the existence of racism, but to discredit the perennial accusers." - interesting and very valid point.
________________________________

Big Mike: By that logic, you are personally responsible for every act of racism-apology ever perpetrated by anyone on the right, including people you don't know, will never know or meet, and don't have any understanding of.

Why should I believe in YOUR decency when you label by efforts at fairness as a "good cop" act? But, I do. I believe that you are having a hard time reconciling differing opinions of different people, all of whom you'd like to lump together, for purposes of simplication and demonization - but that, despite that, you are inherently decent.

I don't believe you are responsible for anything that anyone else has done. In my eyes, you are responsible only for YOUR actions.

Ankur said...

And you say, "No, my claim is that is that the left wing is riddled with racism of their own, demonstrated by the bile they direct towards black men and women who..."

Believe it or not, I agree. Racism and sexism aren't the preserve of any one group. Has there been any statistical analysis that demonstrates if a single group is more racist/sexist? I don't know how one would ever go about designing a controlled study like that.

I have a hard time believing traditional narratives about it, personally, because my experiences in this country have been so unexpected and surprising. I could go and and on with personal examples that were surprising, revealing, and MUCH more complex than any generalization could account for.

So, since I disbelieve traditional narratives regarding racism AND I don't have access to specific data among different groups, I don't have a basis for judgment.

ricpic said...

...Ankur, FLS and Alpha...are beyond hypocrisy and beneath contempt.

You Sir are beyond hypocrisy,
You Sir are beneath contempt,
And with that said I must leave you
For your words Sir make me all verklempt.

Big Mike said...

@Ankur, nice try, but I know a non sequitor when I see one.

After a string of comments posted in the morning trying to push the meme that maybe they people on the videotape were plants or somehow fake -- an effort that went nowhere, which is about what it deserved -- you posted the following:

"If you learn to accept the basic decency of people on the opposite side of you, politically speaking, then debates like this will become passe because it will be obvious to all that racists and loons aren't welcome."

If you want me to believe that you're sincere, then how about you stop trying to be the shield the likes of garage, FLS, and Alpha, hide behind, and actively take a stand against them? And while you're at it, perhaps you could "acknowledge the basic decency" of conservative commentators? Then maybe we'd have a starting point for mutual comprehension. But until then, you're nothing but a tool.

And a dull tool at that.

Big Mike said...

@ricpic, was that directed at me???

My seconds will call upon yours in the morning.

Ankur said...

My entire last post was about acknowledging YOUR decency.

And I stand by that, despite your attempts to shake me off that conviction.

ricpic said...

Big Mike,

It was just an attempt at silliness (he said, cowering in the corner). ;^)

Trooper York said...

Ankur isn't such a bad guy.

I just wish his cousin Sanjay would fix my fucking computer and stop trying to tell me his name is Keith Austin when I call.

I mean what does he think all Americans are stupid or what?

ricpic said...

Ankur's okay but my eyes tear and my nose runs from that curry he serves me. Enough with the heat already!

Big Mike said...

My entire last post was about acknowledging YOUR decency.

By suggesting that you were surprised to find that "racism and sexism aren't the preserve of any one group?" That you "don't know how one would ever go about designing a controlled study" to determine whether liberals are more racist and sexist than conservatives? That you "have a hard time believing traditional narratives" about racism because your experiences in this country "have been so unexpected and surprising?"

I'm supposed to take all that as "acknowledging my fundamental decency?" All I see is that you are maybe starting to grow up. But you still don't criticize the hard core fecal-matter throwers on the thread, saving your criticism for me and Lincolntf.

You should regard me as a decent man who has passed his fed-up point. As far as I'm concerned, the onus is not on me to prove that Tea Partiers are not racist -- the onus is on you to prove that you're not simply slinging mud (and doing a poor job of it BTW).

Ankur said...

My mistake. I meant the post before that one.

Big Mike said...

@ricpic, I've been reading a lot of Georgette Heyer novels lately. Duels with swords and pistols are common in her books (c.f., "Friday's Child" or "The Devil's Cub.").

Besides, these days I present as large a target standing sideways as facing front.

:-(

Trooper York said...

You shouldn't complain ricpic. You hebes are always serving all that salty shit.

I mean did you ever have to go to your friends shabbos dinner and have to choke down Grandma Gerties Gerfitile Fish and congealed potato latkas.

What am I talking about. Of course you have. Nevermind.

Trooper York said...

The problem with Indian food is not so much the taste. Other food like Mexican and Thai can be really hot with lots of spices and curry.

It is the smell man. It could gag a maggot. Just sayn'

Trooper York said...

The only thing that stinks worse than Indian food is that the Green Bay Packers are World Champions.

Did I tell you lately that the Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl?

I mean they still have to freeze their balls off in Wisconsin but that must count for something.

Don'tcha think?

Ankur said...

And as for mud-slinging - I was doing exactly what you guys do when racists show up in Tea Party rallies. You don't like it when I assemble conspiracy theories to explain away racism in a liberal rally - and yet, have no trouble using that escape route when racism is pointed out in Tea Party rallies.

This, despite my every effort to bring out the ridiculous in the situation, by commenting on the guy's moustache, and hair, and glazed eyes and twitches.

It is very simple: If YOU are not racist, then it is NOT about you. All YOU or other tea partiers can do is shoo away the racists, make them unwelcome. And you are doing that already. That is all that you need to do. That is all that I need to do. The rest shall be taken care of by the marketplace of ideas.

Don't make ME shoulder the burden of your grievances of unfair media, or whatever else. Its not my job to set the world right for you, just as it is not my job to prove MY decency you by badmouthing people you disapprove of.

Trooper York said...

That's right. Listen to Ankur. Don't shoulder him with all the blame like you are doing to all Green Bay fans when you have been dealing withOriginal Mike and Garage Mahal.

It just ain't right I tells ya!

Big Mike said...

@Ankur, I missed that one.

Yes, America is a strange place for people who believe the New York Times.

I'm fed up with "feminists" who push the phrase "freedom to choose," but dump all over women who choose a path that the alleged pro-choice feminists don't want them to follow.

I'm fed up with people who scream "racism" but would cheerfully participate in a lynch mob as long as it was Clarence Thomas or one of the Steele twins dangling from a rope.

In fact, I'm fed up with people who scream "racism" but hold low expectations of black engineers and technical talent, because one shouldn't expect too much from men and women whose great-great-grandparents were slaves.

(I also have no patience with technical managers who won't give a female engineer a fair chance to prove herself, but that's for another thread.)

I used to have a colleague who proclaimed himself a "radical environmentalist." He didn't understand why I was accusing him of arson and attempted murder of mill workers. Then I caught him tossing aluminum cans into his trash can instead of walking less than a hundred feet to the recycling bin. Environmentalism meant to him that conservatives were supposed to recycle -- environmentalists just had to say the right things and post the right bumper stickers on their Volvos.

If your narrative is not fake, then you've come to the United States when people are standing up and saying that we're mad as Hell, and we won't take it anymore. Welcome.

ricpic said...

Speaking of Hebe food, here's a great quote:

The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for 30 years she served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been found.

--Calvin Trillin

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