June 8, 2018

"I don't want a Nixonian ending for Trump. He was pardoned by Ford and allowed to go to retirement. I want Trump prosecuted to whatever extent the law allows..."

"... both as punishment and by way of warning to others who would run for election, not to serve the country but to serve themselves."

That is the top-rated comment (by far) on a WaPo column by Joe Scarborough, "Trump is hurtling toward a Nixonian ending."

The commenter's name is "prairie fire," which can refer to several things, one of which is has to do with the Weather Underground:
The leading members of the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, and Celia Sojourn) collaborated on ideas and published a manifesto: Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism. The name came from a quote by Mao Zedong, "a single spark can set a prairie fire."....

The manifesto's influence initiated the formation of the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground. Essentially, after the 1969 failure of the Days of Rage to involve thousands of youth in massive street fighting, Weather renounced most of the Left and decided to operate as an isolated underground group. Prairie Fire urged people to never "dissociate mass struggle from revolutionary violence"....

According to Bill Ayers in the late 1970s, the Weatherman group further split into two factions — the May 19th Communist Organization and the Prairie Fire Collective — with Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers in the latter. The Prairie Fire Collective favored coming out of hiding and establishing an above-ground revolutionary mass movement....
That reminds me: Mitt Romney is predicting that Donald Trump will be "solidly" reelected in 2020:
"I think that not just because of the strong economy and the fact that people are going to see increasingly rising wages," Romney said, "but I think it's also true because I think our Democrat friends are likely to nominate someone who is really out of the mainstream of American thought and will make it easier for a president who's presiding over a growing economy."
Some people love Trump and some people hate Trump. Both help Trump. I wonder how many people are hoping the economy goes bad, that it would be worth it to get Trump. Meanwhile the lukewarm among us are hoping the Democrats keep calm, stick to the middle, and give us a blandly normal candidate.

And I should say it again: I think if Nixon were having his troubles within the present-day framework of new media, he wouldn't have to resign and the impeachment route would also fail.

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Darrell said...

The Left B crazy.

elkh1 said...

Prosecute him for what crime, for winning against leftists' wishes?
The law does not extent far for prosecuting someone because leftists don't like him.

Darrell said...

The law does not extent far for prosecuting someone because leftists don't like him

Yet.

Drago said...

Meanwhile, right on cue, the server used by the Pakistani/democrat criminals in the House and which has most of the activity that it is under investigation has, surprise surprise, been stolen.

Gee. What a shocker.

Once again, ALL physical evidence under investigation related to democrats somehow gets removed from the equation.

But only every single time.

I wonder if the server will turn up in Debbie Wasserman Schultz' private quarters?

This has got to be heartening news for LLR Chuck who is always looking for ways to help "spin" for his democrat pals.

Earnest Prole said...
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readering said...

I'm for a blandly normal nominee like Jimmy Carter (although at the time I was for big Mo).

walter said...

Hey Drago,
"Shit happens", right?
You can hear the happy whistling.

Matt Sablan said...

To be fair, Weiner's laptop didn't disappear. Which makes me think Clinton finally decided to cut him off.

dreams said...

I take comfort knowing that Trump is smarter than the crooked liberal dems and the crooked liberal media. Trump is smart, he knows how to fight and he isn't afraid.

Birkel said...

readering:

Other than stagflation, what about the Carter Administration really revs your engine?

Matt Sablan said...

"Other than stagflation, what about the Carter Administration really revs your engine?"

-- Swamp Rabbits.

Birkel said...

Matthew Sablan,

After 8 years of the Trump Administration, there may not be enough natural habitat for Swamp Rabbits to survive.

narayanan said...

tcrosse said...

IIRC the superdelegates were put in place to make sure there wouldn't be another McGovern. Now they will be done away with to make sure there won't be another Hillary.

It was inconsistent for Democrats to have 'superdelegates' aka 'non-contested electoral votes for party insider' while complaining about electoral college.

Gahrie said...

I'm for a blandly normal nominee like Jimmy Carter

Have you forgotten Billy so soon?

Gahrie said...

It was inconsistent for Democrats to have 'superdelegates

I think it's funny that the Democratic Party uses a republican method of choosing candidates while the Republican Party uses a democratic way to choose a candidate.

Darrell said...

a blandly normal nominee like Jimmy Carter

Until you got to know him.

Bruce Hayden said...

What this shows, in my mind, the increasing desperation of the TDS crowd. The Mueller investigation is very likely going nowhere:
- the Flynn judge demanded back in December that the prosecution provide all exonerating evidence they had (including, it turns out, the reports by the two FBI agents (one being Peter Strzok) that they didn’t believe Flynn was lying. It is June now, they haven’t provided the exonerating evidence, and Flynn still hasn’t been sentenced. Apparently Weismann, one of the prosecutors, has pulled this trick before with this judge.
- another prosecution (Manafort?) is hung up because the Mueller team is refusing to provide the legal justification for their investigation. They are going after crimes that have nothing to do with the Russian collusion investigation. Rosenstein apparently provided a secret supplemental authorization to Mueller, that they are refusing to completely disclose to the judge, supposedly for national security reasons. No legal justification for charging the defendant for those crimes means that they are extra vires.
- Which gets to the legal question of whether Mueller is an inferior officer or not. The Constitution allows principal officers to appoint inferior ones, but the principal officers have to supervise the inferior officers. Principal officers, of course, like the AG, DAG, and the USAs, have to be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The problem is that Mueller has more autonomy than a USA, but Rosenstein has taken a hands off approach to Mueller’s investigation. Mueller fails the Supreme Court’s inferior officer tests, at a minimum due to the lack of supervision by Rosenstein, but was not nominated by Trump nor confirmed by the Senate, which would have been required if he were a principal officer under our Constitution. Because of Mueller not legally being a principal officer, he can’t legally stray outside the guidelines provided by Rosenstein, but has refused to provide that judge with the unpredicted supplemental guidelines.
- And then there are the real Ruskies. Mueller’s team indicted some real Russians, and several Russian companies. Very likely figured that they could showboat this, with no chance of any of the defendants ever being tried. Plus, if I remember, they pushed this forward to counter some other public reverses. One of those companies was, embarrassingly, not in existence at the time. But more importantly, another of the indicted Russian companies did send a lawyer into court, and he demanded their statutory right to Speedy Trial. The Mueller team has repeatedly begged the judge to give them time to prepare. The judge is having none of that. As several former federal prosecutors have pointed out, you don’t indict until you are ready to go to trial. My understanding is that a trial date has been set, and the judge is very likely going to dismiss, likely with prejudice, when the Mueller team isn’t ready to proceed at that point.
- And, of course, we find that the Clinton crony judge, Kimba Woods appointed special master just announced that the Mueller team did, indeed, seize confidential attorney/client information when Michael Cohan’s Office, etc, were subject to dawn raids by the Mueller team.

Bruce Hayden said...

Sorry, “ultra vires”, not “extra vires”.

Birkel said...

Bruce Hayden,
Your chosen picture would make a great internet meme. Do you see a pink spy-v-spy creature or a guy in sunglasses upside down?

Anybody else see the two possibilities?

Birkel said...

Maybe a mouse, elephant, alien, or spy-v-spy creature.
OR
A guy in sunglasses, upside down.

Bruce Hayden said...

Then there is the problem of bias in both Rosenstein and Mueller.
- In regards to Rosenstein, part of Mueller’s mandate/authorization concerns the firing of Comey, which Rosenstein recommended. So, at a minimum, prosecution of Trump for Obstruction of Justice for the firing of Comey would require the testimony of Rosenstein as a fact witness, by prosecutors who officially work for him as inferior officers. He is their principal officer, and thus is responsible for supervising them. And, of course, without his authority, they don’t have tha legal authority to even prosecute someone who tried to kill the President (etc) on national TV. Who would be supervising them when they were cross examine him, their boss, and the principal officer through whom their power to prosecute is derived?
- Rosenstein also has a long history with both Comey, Mueller, and a number of the other DoJ and FBI players here.
- Even Lindsay Graham has questioned Rosenstein’s independence, and has asked him whether he should recuse himself. Of course, if he does recuse himself from the Mueller investigation, the investigation will likely collapse. Mueller can’t legally operate without supervision of a principal officer, Sessions was forced to recuse himself in order to get confirmed, and the Senate Dems have essentially obstructed the confirmation of most of the AAGs who have been nominated.
- There may also be issues of Rosenstein’s wife that call his impartiality into question.

- Mueller, on the other hand, was a horrible choice for the independent prosecutor. He had close ties to Comey, and supervised the FBI agents who would be called to testify in court, such as Peter Strzok. Moreover, it looks like it was a bunch of his former employees, from when he was FBI Director, who orchestrated his appointment (and staffed his team). Why were Strzok and Page initially on the Mueller team? Because they were part of the group who picked the Mueller team, putting themselves on it.
- But that is backfiring. Without threatening Flynn’s son, they never would have gotten a conviction for him supposedly lying to the FBI - simply because Strzok was one of the agents who had interviewed Gen Flynn. And, at a minimum, his text messages with Lisa Page would likely be quite exonerating for Flynn. At a minimum, they would show extreme bias against Trump, and a willingness to try to take his Administration down. He would likely be asked such questions as “what exactly was your ‘insurance policy’?” Or, “who exactly did you talk to when you flew to London in August of 2018, and what did they tell you?” Etc.

walter said...

"One of those companies was, embarrassingly, not in existence at the time"
--
Comey would say "it could have.."

"The Mueller team has repeatedly begged the judge to give them time to prepare. The judge is having none of that."
Art should not be rushed.

Matt Sablan said...

Mueller shouldn't have dropped indictments he wasn't ready to pursue.

narciso said...

here's an interesting twist

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/james-wolfe-domestic-violence/

lb said...

So read through this thread and gotta say - civility is sorely lacking. What do they say, it's a sign of weakness in your argument if you name call. It seems Chuck has a different opinion than others - can we please stop with all the mocking comments - it's making my favorite blog a little less interesting - feels like the nastiness of the on-line world has infected us.

Gospace said...

Virgil Hilts said...
... (iii) she's not above average intelligence (BO is smart, whatever his other shortcomings),


I've only ever seen accusations that BO is smart. Never any proof. Any uncovered writings that can actually be attributed to him rather than ghostwriters are below average. He can't speak extemporaneously off teleprompter. And his college grades have never leaked, nor his SATs or other standardized tests.

How do I know Trump did really well in college and on his SATs? Because his transcripts and scores have never leaked... We know he speaks well extemporaneously. He travels off script a lot.

Darrell said...

pound said--

So read through this thread and gotta say - civility is sorely lacking.

Welcome to the internet! First time here?

Pookie Number 2 said...

lb, I’m going to respectfully disagree with you. When an admitted liar like Chuck pollutes these discussions with his jealous rantings, the appropriate response is, in fact, to provide the relevant context.

There’s no shortage of people here willing to acknowledge Trump’s many failings - it’s not about differences of opinion.

Michael K said...

We keep waiting for the OIG and it keeps being pushed back.

Now, I understand June 14.

Meanwhile I am here in the north woods with intermittent internet service.

The Mueller thing drags on with hopefuls like Inga and ARM hanging on.

Fortunately, the weather is beautiful. Bought my daughter a new chain saw yesterday, Birthday present in advance,

Next she needs a .357 revolver for the bears. Maybe a .44 mag.

Seeing Red said...

Flag Day? Lololol

Michael K said...

At last there does seem to be some progress.

On December 15th, with the evidence and admissions therein, and specifically noting the FBI showed Mr. Wolfe photographic evidence (he was also under physical surveillance), James Wolfe opened the door to an investigative path that was almost certainly followed. In essence anyone in contact with Wolfe would now be inside the investigative review.

[*Side-note* Consciousness of Guilt – On the day before this December 15th interview, Reporter #2 Ali Watkins (NYT), announced she would no longer be covering the Senate Intelligence Committee.]

This is important because again, Wolfe wasn’t arrested until six months after he was clearly busted. Withing this time-frame others would be under investigation.

The FBI would be able to use the information gathered from Wolfe and exploit his compromise for search and surveillance warrants on other participants within his contact circle. The investigators would not want the downstream participants to know.


A senior Senate Intell committee staffer is now indicted.

I assume the honest FBI agents are giving him singing lessons.

I have wondered about that Senate committee. They are the ones that opposed Nunes House report. Now we know why.


narciso said...

So who assures that the chief of security, for senate intelligence keeps his clearance with a domestic assault conviction?

Bruce Hayden said...

@Dr K - not sure where you are, exactly, in ID (we are 20 miles from that state, not too far from the top), but the important thing to get for bears, and esp brown bears, is Buffalo Bore solid cast ammo. They are based in Salmon, ID, and if you are anywhere close to there, you should consider dropping by and picking such up, since they charge quite a bit for shipping. Buffalo Bore solid cast is considered maybe the best anti-bear self defense ammo out there. Solid cast in order to best penetrate the bears’ thick skulls.

I carry a 10 mm semiautomatic as my bear gun. Friend has a light framed .44 mag, and the recoil is stiff enough using it (with the BB solid cast ammo), that I would be lucky to get a second shot on target. 5-6 rounds of that caliber are worse for me than shooting 200 rounds of 9 mm. I have a similar gun in 9 mm as my 10 mm, which is helpful. The other thing to keep in mind is that we also have wolves around here (as does that friend in N ID). I would expect wolves to also be an issue for your daughter if they live anywhere near Yellowstone, or by us in N ID. I don’t think that you want to face a wolf pack with only 5-6 rounds of any caliber, that you would have with a revolver, which is another reason for the semiautomatic, that has 15 round magazines (outside gun grabbing states like CA, etc). In semiautomatics, you pretty much are limited to 10 mm or .45 ACP. Anything else is probably too small. 10 mm is typically picked over .45 because of its smaller cross section, allowing it to penetrate better. I should add that people do successfully hunt brown bear with the 6” 10 mm Glock 40 MOS, with enhanced optics.

Bruce Hayden said...

I wasn’t expecting SSICI staff as the leaker caught and arrested yesterday. Rather, I was expecting one of Sen Feinstein’s staffers. Someone working for the Gang of 8, most likely on the Dem side, had been leaking, classified information, and she and/or her staff appeared most likely, since she had been booted out as ranking member of that committee (and thus from the Gang of 8), most likely for security breaches. Wolfe clearly had a high enough security clearance, but may not have had access to the leaked material. We shall see.

Earnest Prole said...

Scarborough didn't get the memo: Impeachment is now off the table because it would benefit Republicans and likely Trump.

Bruce Hayden said...

Another part of the Russian collusion scandal that is falling apart is the Papadopoulos and Page working with the Russians portion.

The earliest date in the timeline so far with Papadopoulos is either in March or April of 2016 (April 26 is mostly the date used), when he supposedly met with a Maltese academic named Joseph Mifsud. According to the Dems on the HPSCI, Misfud was a Russian agent, or at least was working at that time for Russian intelligence, as a cutout. He supposedly told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on Crooked Hillary, and maybe that it was the missing 30k emails that her people deleted, then bleach bited, after Congress subpoenaed them. If he had been, indeed, working for the Russians at that time, that would likely be the the biggest western security breach of the last decade, since he worked at a school where western spies and diplomats, including those from the FBI, are trained (and the FBI apparently continues sending its people there, even after this). If anything, Mifsud was far, far, more likely to have been working for western intelligence agencies, to which he had close ties. Or, maybe the Clinton campaign (he has been described as an ardent Clntonista). In any case, he is supposedly in hiding, fearing for his life, right now, pushed there by friends of his who are elements of Italian intelligence. Papadopoulos apparently worked with Mifsud in London.

Then, Mifsud friend, Alexander Downer, Australia’s Ambassador to the UK, apparently somehow relayed to the US govt that Papadopoulos had met with a Russian agent (his friend Mifsud) in April, who apparently told him (Papadopoulos) that the Russians had dirt on Clinton. Except that Downer claims to have relayed this to the US govt (via the State Dept) supposedly in March, w/I 48 hours of having gotten drunk with Papadopoulos. And supposedly, the FBI got the information from the US Ambassador to Australia. Except that it appears to have come directly from Downer. Except that the FBI (Strzok again) didn’t meet with Downer until August, or interview Papadopoulos until Jan, 2017, yet this information was used to kick off the Russian collusion investigation in July, 2016, and as part of the justification for the FISA warrant in October.

As I said, the timeline is falling apart.

Gospace said...

Happy birthday President Trump. Born on Flag Day. (As was I.) The IG report is being released on Flag Day. Coincidence? Or not? You be the judge.

Happy Birthday President Trump!

Bruce Hayden said...

More fun and games concerning the prosecution of Gen Flynn:

- The original judge, the one who took Flynn's guilty plea was Rudolph Contreras, who was also, maybe coincidentally, maybe not, also apparently the FISA judge who approved the first Carter Page Title I FISA warrant. There are text messages between Strzok and Page about Strzok knowing the judge, and the two of them, plus SOs, getting together with the judge and his wife. Strzok, of course, was one of two FBI agents who interviewed Flynn, and therefore a fact witness, should trial ever be necessary.

- A day or two after taking the guilty plea, the judge was recused from the case, to be replaced by Emmet Sullivan, who had, in the past, caught federal prosecutors failing to disclose exonerating evidence to the defense. One of the biggest offenders there was Andrew Weismann, who is one of Mueller's lead prosecutors. Sullivan has had an interesting career, including the bogus prosecution of Sen Ted Stevens, litigation against Lois Lerner, and a FOIA request for Crooked Hillary's emails. Stevens' conviction was ultimately reversed after an extensive investigation showed significant prosecutorial malfeasance and malpractice, through, in particular, failure to provide the defense with all exonerating evidence in possession of the prosecution (exactly what is claimed here, with Flynn). Mueller team seems to have jumped from their good friend, and esp of Strzok, Contreras, to one of their worse nightmares - possibly one of the most aggressive judges in this area.

- the FBI doesn't, as a general principle, record criminal interviews. Instead they use FD-302 forms to take notes, etc, esp in criminal cases. It appears right now that D Dir McCabe tweaked the FD-302s of the Flynn investigation. It is claimed that McCabe merged 302s together to create a blended 302, that ignores inconsistent information. The original 302s were then, apparently, deleted and then hidden from oversight. All at the behest of the prosecutors.

- Sen Charles Grassley just requested this week the materials and evidence used in the Flynn prosecution, including the original and merged 302s, that may show how the evidence was manipulated against Trump.

- Which may explain why Mueller's team has, so far, over the last 6 months, failed to request sentencing of Flynn - because they claim that it would harm national security, etc.

Lewis Wetzel said...

"a single spark can set a prairie fire."
And the next paragraph explains how a virtual storm of sparks sent into the prairie did not start a fire. perhaps the radicals would have found American workers more receptive to their message if the radicals hadn't expressed so much hatred and contempt for them? Or at least not killed so many of them?

truth speaker said...

I am starting to hate like Scarbough and the top commentator.

It's one thing to have your candidate lose, it's quite another to try want them destroyed for winning.

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