April 2, 2017

The NYT columnist Frank Bruni — in an attack on Trump — attacks manliness.

Would anyone in the NYT attack femininity — in general — the way Bruni attacks masculinity in "Manhood in the Age of Trump"? It would be outright misogyny, and Bruni deserves to be called out for the misandry here.

Much of the column is about his personal struggle as a gay man to deal with his own anxieties about whether he is masculine enough.

That's personal to him, and not about Trump at all and not about all the other men who are free to experience, express, and enjoy whatever level or version of manliness they want.

Bruni begins with a personal memory from the 1970s — the Campbell's soup commercial with the macho cowboy voice singing “How do you handle a hungry man? The Manhandlers!” (Despite straining to portray the commercial as hypermasculine, Bruni chooses the verb "croon," which denotes soft, sentimental singing.)

Bruni agonizes over the image of men that bombarded him when he was an impressionable teenager: "The message was that a man worked up a sweat and then ate up a storm.... He was a force of nature with untamable appetites."
Maybe I read the tea leaves too closely and pessimistically, but then I’m a gay man whose teen years were in the late 1970s and early 1980s, when homosexuality alone was considered antithetical to true manhood and someone like me was left in a limbo, wondering what claims on masculinity he really had.
But to be a bit more objective: Campbell's was addressing women, who, you can tell, had the opinion that Campbell's soup wasn't enough of a meal to serve to an adult male. In fact, the familiar white and red cans had long been marketed as a meal for children. And by the way, the children — the "Campbell kids" — were remarkably androgynous:



Those old Manhandlers commercials were aimed at emboldening women to go ahead and open up one can, heat it up, and call it dinner. If that Frankie Laine wannabe in the commercial wasn't complaining, maybe your guy will be okay with it. Maybe he'll even laugh, sing the commercial, and add a lewd meaning to the name of the product.

Come on, Frank, we laughed at these commercials at the time, and Campbell's was in on the joke. Did you really feel these commercials were bullying you to be more manly? In the culture of the 70s, masculinity was examined, questioned, and mocked. Meathead continually critiqued Archie Bunker's blustering macho on "All in the Family" — the #1 show on TV from 1971 to 1976. Lou Reed's "Transformer" came out in 1972. David Bowie was in his prime. I know a lot of your readers were not around in the 70s, but I was, and it was no barrage of unmediated messaging that men must be sterotypically masculine.

Bruni says that as a gay teenager, he was "wondering what claims on masculinity he really had." Why did you feel you needed "claim" anything at all? It was a rich culture, and everyone made fun of commercials, especially children's soup begging to be taken seriously.
I was a competitive swimmer, and while I hated it, I didn’t dare quit, as it felt like a retort to, and inoculation against, anyone questioning my maleness. Just before college I completed an Outward Bound course in the Oregon mountains, and my outsize pride was about how classically manly the adventure had been: no showers, no toilets, harsh weather, bland food.
Bland food? "Bland" is the "crooned" of this paragraph. Since when is bland food considered "classically manly"? And also, why shouldn't young Bruni have felt proud and strong about his athletic and survivalist accomplishments? Why is that boy in the past exploited as weak and confused for the purposes of assailing a politician in the present? And why are all of the men of the present getting caught in the crossfire of an attack on the President?

Bruni proceeds to talk about how 2 of his friends say they "feel most manly" when engaging in some physical feat of strength. One remembered playing football. The other spoke of moving heavy tree limbs that had fallen on a hiking trail (which reminded me of the George W. Bush pastime, "clearing brush"). Bruni then purports to know — it's obvious — when Trump is feeling manly:
When does Trump feel the most manly? That’s pretty obvious: when he’s salivating over women and styling himself some conquistador of the flesh, as he did repeatedly with Howard Stern and on one infamous occasion with Billy Bush. When he’s belittling and emasculating rivals (“Liddle Marco,” “low-energy Jeb”), as he did throughout his campaign. When he’s vowing vengeance against the House Freedom Caucus, as he did last week. When he’s surrounding himself with generals. When he’s pledging huge increases in military spending while moving to starve wonky research and the arts.
Whatever you think about these aspects of Trump's behavior (and how Bruni puts them into words), we don't know if he really feels manly doing these things. Even Bruni seems to be implying that Trump — like Bruni's remembered version of teenage Bruni — is confused and afraid that the world might see that he is not what he thinks of a truly manly. And Bruni even takes that shot at him. Bruni bullies Trump as not masculine enough:
I think Trump protests too much, distracting us from other traits. He abhors handshakes: all those icky germs! He gilds and swirls his hair. Those white crescent moons under his eyes suggest time spent wearing goggles during artificial tanning sessions. The Marlboro Man got his sun on the range, not in the salon.
There are plenty more things about Trump that read as stereotypically feminine. Many of his hand gestures and vocal inflections and gushing descriptions of people and places feel feminine to me.

But like all of us, Trump is a mixture of traits, including traits formed within a culture that is presented and imperfectly understood in terms of masculine and feminine. What's important, I think, is for individuals to find a way to live a good and satisfying life. There are infinite possibilities, and the expression of sexuality and gender are probably going to be a part of it. I don't see how impugning masculinity is any more ethical and helpful than impugning femininity.

You may hate Trump, but don't use him as a weapon to attack masculinity. Masculinity doesn't deserve hatred. Find your own mix of masculinity and femininity and respect your own individuality and the individuality of others.

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Inga said...

Burpel said...
"@ Inga

Why did you quit using #55?"

Because I like "Inga" better. She fits me, she seems like she was/is a really terrific commenter. Now I'm off! Wish me luck, no dead liberals and/or conservatives after our dinner together.

Inga said...

Don't be jealous Exiled. Bye for now!

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"I have plenty of family and friends across the political spectrum"

Which is why you spend a good part of time posting comments on a blog where you are mostly disdained, and why you have tried to wreck the lives of posters you don't like by threatening to contact employers and going after their wives' books on Amazon.

Yeah, that is surely the sign of a happy, contented and tolerant individual.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

When Inga refers to "her friends," she means the other 149 aliases that live in her head.

David said...

Inga said...
I am a German speaker and a Yiddish speaker.


Impressive. I am a Bose speaker.

mockturtle said...

She should just disappear. It's as easy as falling off a blog.

hombre said...

Inga evidently imagines that what Democrats claim "Russia did to this country" differs from what the Obots actually did to Israel, albeit unsuccessfully. What's sauce for the Jews isn't sauce for the Dems, right Inga?

As for Bruni: Not surprisingly, he mistakes "boys will be boys" for "manliness." Bragging about grabbing pussies, like grabbing pussies, is about boyishness, not manliness.

Does anyone, besides Bruni and friends apparently, actually ruminate over when they feel "the most manly?" Seriously?

Birkel said...

@ Inga, so called

Thank you for admitting the sockpuppetry we all knew you practiced. Thank you also for admitting you stole the Inga label as a badge of honor. As I stated before, Inga is an idea. It is a terrible idea. It is a liar. It would put the 'other' to the wall.

Mr. Groovington said...

Being very recent to reading the comments, I seem to have missed something here.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Thank you also for admitting you stole the Inga label as a badge of honor."

Nah, she's lying about that too. It's the same old Inga. Parents were German immigrants (it's a pity they didn't stay in the old country, so Inga could enjoy the multi-cultural delights of Merkel's Germany.), and, unfortunately for her she lives in deep red Waukesha County, not in a European socialist Utopia, which she would surely prefer.

Night Owl said...

"Night Owl, we don't know that it's "rumor and innuendo". "

I've seen several intelligence guys claim that there is no proof of Trump or his team colluding with Russia. Therefore, in my opinion, any claims otherwise are unsubstantiated rumors. Trump and his team are innocent until proven guilty.

"As far as resistance goes, it didn't seem to hurt conservatives in Congress for all the Obama years."

There is a fine line between being the opposition party and engaging in sedition. If it turns out that the current leaking and surveillance of Trump's people was for purely political reasons-- ie to harm the Trump administration, then the line has been crossed. But again, we have to wait and see. All we have are rumors and innuendos because we are lacking cold hard facts.

"There is nothing hysterical about investigating."

No. Not when it's down under cover. But people are going nuts over conspiracy theories because of the leaking of this investigation to the media. And -- again IMO-- the leaks sole purpose seems to be to harm Trump's presidency.

"Why would I tell any person right or left not to be angry about Trump, thereis much to be angry about. But being angry at what Russia did to this country and possible collusion by the Trump team shouldn't make ones entire life an unhappy angry one. As I said above, there is more to life and the pursuit of happiness that politics and current events. "

And now we are back to the original silly topic-- who is happier? You think there is "much to be angry about", and I don't. So we disagree. No point beating that to death.

And while I agree that being angry about politics shouldn't necessarily make people unhappy, in today's climate where everything is politicized, IMO politics most definitely affects people's happiness.

Birkel said...

@ exiledonmainstreet

I don't believe any of those lies either. Inga was always a lie. Had it called itself Sue or Joe that would have been a lie too.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

sodal ye said...
Being very recent to reading the comments, I seem to have missed something here."

Stick around. You'll see...

Lewis Wetzel said...

Quoting m'self:
Blogger Lewis Wetzel said...
The more broken bones you've had, the more manly you are.
Unless you broke them getting beat up. Then it's the opposite.


I was joking! Lighten up!

Michael K said...

"But wait until he is sent to a federal prison."

The crazy left is always amusing.

Gretchen said...

All of these people are so tiresome. Everything on the face of the planet could offend someone if the focus of one's existence was to be offended. Perhaps Bruni should realize that people are different and that's okay, every commercial isn't aimed at him.

It has to be a grim and sad existence to ruminate on every bit of popular culture and history looking for offensive content, then becoming worked up about it.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Oh, I just noticed this gem. Inga praises herself, since most others around here are noticably reluctant to do so:

"She (Inga) fits me, she seems like she was/is a really terrific commenter. "

Gee, Inga really thinks highly of Inga! And so do all her fictitious conservative friends, who are nice, not like the meanies here!

Inga undoubtedly does daily affirmations, just like the character once played by the Senator from Minnesota:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldAQ6Rh5ZI

EMyrt said...

One of many reasons to not read the NYT is this kind of navel-gazing thumbsucker projecting his neurotic insecurities out on the world; aiming it at Trump, and then calling it political journalism. This kind of shit should stay hidden behind shrink-patient confidentiality.

Inga said...

Back from my dinner, all survived.

Oh I see the obsession with "Inga" continued in my absence. Exiled being the #1 obsesssee. Exiled just can't stop drawing attention to her nemesis, Inga. Burpel keeps telling her Inga isn't really Inga, but Exiled just won't believe it. She needs Inga! How else can she show off her bilious nature? She's become very frustrated because Althouse chastised her last week. She was good for a week, but it appears she is backsliding again. Inga will just go back to ignoring her altogether which frustrates her even more. Inga's "fictitious" friends got a good laugh out of Exiled and Burpel. They did say that Exiled seemed a bit too too obsessed and aggressive, that it just didn't seem healthy for a woman in her mid 50's to be so jealous, or whatever the heck eats her, who knows? We couldn't figure it out and just came to the conclusion she has a screw loose.

Mockturtle,
Wishes Inga would "disappear", lol. Sorry, I'm going to stay here as Inga for a while, it's amusing to see you swiping at "Inga", but missing every time.

Burpel, thanks "Inga" for admitting she was Unknown#55. Burpel you are so smart! "So called Inga" isn't really Inga, there is no Inga, she was always a figment of your imaginations and the more you talked about her the more powerful she became in your minds. Lol, this is good stuff Burpel. My dinner partners kept pinching me to see if I was real, lol. The real Inga would be laughing her ass off at this whole thing... I bet.

veni vidi vici said...

Funny how "Frank Bruni" sounds like it would be the name of a tough-guy stevedore type, longshoreman, dockworker, brawny dude.

How unfortunate for him that the writer seems not to have grown into his name. Maybe he just overthought everything.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...
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Sprezzatura said...

"One lurker doesn't believe Inga is a liar and fool. Inga's so tickled and flattered by the rare compliment she gets here that she has to repeat it."

I'm also a long-time lurker who has never commented here.

I agree that Inga is top notch, for a dumb lib (since we all know all libs are dumb, not to mention all sorts of other bad stuff--very very bad, and SAD!)

Anywho....I mean anyway, may Trump make libs angry because that's what makes me know he's doin' good stuff!


Carry on......I mean Go Trump!

Humperdink said...

Inga said: "Mockturtle, ....Wishes Inga would "disappear", lol."

Oh you will ..... and then return as Alley Oop........

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

BTW, here's a interesting symposium on "Toxic Masculinity." One of the panelists is Camille Paglia, but IMO, she's not the most interesting speaker of the group. I was impressed with the British journalist who is the son of a coal miner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzyzfBuH-LI

mockturtle said...

Ne pas nourrir le troll.

Inga said...

Vous êtes une femme ennuyeuse.

Inga said...

La chienne est folle.

Sprezzatura said...

"Thank you for admitting the sockpuppetry we all knew you practiced."

It is interesting that the DJT apologists don't have fun w/ their names here.

Presumably that's the result of some sorta ever-present seriousness and/or devotion to always following rules (even when meaningless) that non-DJT-apologists are less constrained by.


I dunno.


PS: Loosen up.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Things you didn't know about Inga #1:
-She tutors people on the web in Esparanto while she plays four dimensional chess.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Inga's "fictitious" friends got a good laugh out of Exiled and Burpel. They did say that Exiled seemed a bit too too obsessed and aggressive, that it just didn't seem healthy for a woman in her mid 50's to be so jealous, or whatever the heck eats her, who knows? We couldn't figure it out and just came to the conclusion she has a screw loose."

You talk about this blog and the posters on it when you're "entertaining friends?" Really? How pathetic. As if actual real people would be at all interested in your blog opponents. When I get together with my friends and family we talk about common interests. I wouldn't bore them by talking about online commenters on the blog they don't read. Why would they care about that?

Either you're lying about your "friends" or you're the world's most boring, self-absorbed hostess.

Inga said...

The aggression just never ends with you does it? Jesus woman get some help.

Oh, but they were very interested, especially my sister in law, the psychologist. She said your aggression sounds pathological and I should be careful.

Qwinn said...

Trumpit: "Will he scream out from brutal sex acts forced on him by a physically stronger rapist of the kind he spoke about during the campaign?"

WTF?

I mean seriously. What the fucking hell was THAT?

The worst quote I ever heard from the campaign, he specifically said "They let you" if you're rich and famous (well, duh).

So. Again. WTF. You are psychotic and should be locked up yourself.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Oh, but they were very interested, especially my sister in law, the psychologist. She said your aggression sounds pathological and I should be careful."

Oh, sure, I'm going to somehow hunt you down in Waukesha County, although I don't know your last name, have never threatened you and have no interest whatsoever in meeting you. You're the one who has tried to wreck people's lives outside of this blog, not I.

How about admitting you just made this entire dinner party up? Because anybody who would sit there and describe their online feuds with posters on a blog that the others are unfamiliar with ("I said this... and then Birkel said that...and exiled said that..can you believe it!") is loopy. The sane reaction to a topic that is of little interest to anybody but you would be "Inga, dear, maybe you're spending too much time online and taking this all too seriously." Believe me, the last thing I'm doing when I'm with family and friends is thinking or talking about you. I forget about you the second I shut the computer off.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"You're the one who has tried to wreck people's lives outside of this blog, not I."

I somehow doubt that your SIL, the psychologist (if she actually exists), was given that tidbit of information. It's also remarkable that she, like you, makes snap diagnoses of strangers based on comments they make on blog sites. Especially since I haven't said anything remotely threatening or violent (unlike Trumpit, your fellow Trump hater who is entertaining fantasies about Trump getting raped in prison).

Your probably imaginary SIL apparently thinks people who say mean things about you need psychiatric help. 'Cause that's all I've done. It's just remarkable, how all the people in your life seem to reflect your own opinions.

Inga said...

Jesus. It just never ends.

How interesting that you've now created this entire scenario about some "dinner party". I said I was going out to dinner with a group that consisted of conservatives and liberals in which after political discussion we still all get along. You're trying to portray my conversation with my dinner partners as consisting entirely of my online stalking by you? Are you seriously nuts?

My mention of youand Birkel came in when we discussed the political climate nowadays and how people are at each other's throats. It didn't last for than five minutes. And you think I'd refer to you as "exiled"? No I referred to you as a online nutcase and Birkel as some guy. Birkel got some laughs and you got head shakes.

My online commenting does not often get mentioned in my interactions with my family and friends, but I see you are trying to create a "scenario" here. Why? To make your behavior appear normal? You spend as much time online as I do, and you probably still are employed. I'm retired and have the time. I suggest you stop with the lies about me and an episode with some person you've repeated several times now.

I have no feud with you. What is going on with you is that you're obsessed with my presence here as use every comment I make as an opportunity to be aggressive and confrontational.

I suggest you stop. If you have a legitimate reason to interact with me online, do so, otherwise risk looking like the nutcase you probably really are... even offline.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Jesus. It just never ends. "

Because you keep it going. I'm tired of your nonsense and endless, incoherent excuse making, so I will let it drop after this post.

I would say the obsessive one here is the one who talks about her Internet feuds with her dinner companions and imagines that I would give a shit about anything some complete strangers say about me. And the one who fantasizes that I am somehow going to track her down and do harm to her. You're the one who mentioned that hey, your Marine daughter would really give me hell if we ever came face to face. Oh my. While I'm sure that fantasy warms your heart, your Marine daughter (if she exists) undoubtedly knows that assault is against the law and "But she was mean to Mommy online!" would not be an excuse.

Birkel said...

Another relative who fits a particular occasion? Arguing from authority based on fictitious relatives is an interesting quirk. Perhaps I will run that by a psychiatrist at the next dinner party during which I decide to bore my friends with conversations from the interwebs.

Grab your carry on!

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Birkel said...
Another relative who fits a particular occasion? Arguing from authority based on fictitious relatives is an interesting quirk. Perhaps I will run that by a psychiatrist at the next dinner party during which I decide to bore my friends with conversations from the interwebs."

LOL! Yeah, all of these "friends" and "relatives" who conveniently pop up to agree with Inga, tell her she's just swell and that the people who dislike her online are surely crazy.

Balfegor said...

Given Trump's mincing mannerisms, his evidence disinterest in any sport other than golf, his evident preference for the comforts of effete city life over roughing it out in the provinces, it's honestly bizarre that people are presenting Trump as an avatar of traditional masculinity. Really, the logic here seems to be something like:

1. Conventionally male (lower middle class) voters voted for the man
2. I hate them so so so much
3. They must have thought Trump is a man's man!
4. I'll prove Trump is not a man's man. That'll show them!

(insert flecks of spittle as needed)

I mean, he's just not the Marlboro Man, nor has he ever tried to present that image. The man pranced around in white suits for heaven's sake and lounges around in gaudy gold-plated apartments. He's long been famous for his artificially orange skin. Is anyone looking at Trump and thinking, "oh, this is a burlesque of masculinity"? Really? Really? He's closer to gay camp for heavens sake.

Lee said...

> the Campbell's soup commercial with the macho cowboy voice singing “How do you handle a hungry man? The Manhandlers!”

Wasn't that Frankie Laine's voice?

David-2 said...

Manly bland food. (And at the end of the clip, a "bear" chows down.)

Shirley Márquez Dúlcey said...

One correction. That wasn't a Frankie Laine wannabe in the Manhandlers commercials; it was the real Frankie Laine. I read a report that somebody in the ad agency said that they wanted a Laine-like voice for the ad, and somebody else responded "Why not hire Frankie Laine? He's still alive."

Something similar happened when Mel Brooks was making Blazing Saddles. Brooks posted a trade ad looking for somebody with a Laine-like voice to sing his theme song, and Laine himself showed up for the audition.

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