November 12, 2016

"When she outed herself to me as a Trump supporter, I realized I had finally found the 'silent majority.'"

"I looked at her, this suddenly strange girl who sleeps a few feet away from me, my college roommate. The silent majority has seen me put on my head scarf in the morning and take it off at night. The silent majority has touched my face, done my makeup, watches 'Gilmore Girls' religiously. The silent majority occasionally enjoys sliced mango before bed. We fought; I packed. This was Tuesday evening, so I headed to my friend’s dorm, where a small group of us, mainly black women, tried to find solace in one another as the country slowly fell to red. I tried and failed to speak, to write. I ignored my roommate’s lengthy texts...."

So begins Romaissaa Benzizoune, an NYU freshman, who has an op-ed in the NYT titled, "I’m Muslim, but My Roommate Supports Trump."

I thought that was well written. It made me want to read to the end of the story. Do the friends make up?

I got to "it is no surprise that our argument proved hopeless" and  "There was no reasoning with her" and "My roommate’s reasoning reflected an 'us versus them' mind-set mind-set that has defined this nation for as long as it has existed" — that's in the middle of the column — and I felt queasy.

The roommate is a specific, identifiable individual. She might as well have her name printed in The New York Times. We haven't the details of the argument or anything close to a quotation of what the very young woman may have said. We hear only the conclusion: She was immune to reason and stuck in a mind-set that is stereotypically American. I'm stunned by the unfairness toward this real person.

I read to the end of the piece. I finally encounter a quote from that unnamed, identifiable individual called "my roommate." It's a 2-word quote:
My roommate’s main defense of Mr. Trump during our argument was that he didn’t mean the “stupid things” he said. 
The writer rejects any comfort that might lie in the notion that Trump didn't mean all the things he said. She ends, not with any reconciliation with the roommate, but distancing herself from this person she has lived with in close contact. The writer dedicates herself to writing and to the masses of people who are not in the group with her roommate:
Now that an us-versus-them system has been voted into office, I want to write for those who feel like the latter, the “them.”
And that's where she ends, convinced that it's an us-versus-them system, that her roommate — her nameless but identifiable roommate — is the other, and hot to intensify the us-versus-themness of it all.

ADDED: Whatever happened to diversity? Benzizoune had originally thought her roommate was like her, but then she was "this suddenly strange person." Benzizoun's college experience turned into something universities normally encourage: confrontation and dealing with diversity

Benzizoune's response was to reject her roommate and to go out and find a more homogeneous group to hang around with. And then she outed the roommate to the whole world, exposing her to contempt and hostility in The New York Times.

After gaining access through the imposed intimacy of roommateship in a university that (I'm sure) promotes diversity, she betrayed this woman — who is perhaps  18 years old — and invited hatred. She did it deliberately, with fervor, and facilitated by the most powerful newspaper in America.

And it seemed justified. Why?

UPDATE: 17 days later, the NYT publishes an op-ed by the roommate, who says:
My roommate has since apologized to me, but in the meantime I have felt the glare of her friends and been heckled on campus by other students. I have been labeled “racist,” “sexist” and “xenophobic” on Facebook. I have been called a “white without a conscious,” a “misogynist,” a “bigot” and a “barbarian” online by people all over the country.
She proceeds to tell us about her background, as if she needs to distance herself from the white-privilege slur with the news that she's half-Hispanic. But she's mostly conciliatory, eager to encourage us to all get along.

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Paco Wové said...

On a related note, this NYT story popped up in my news feed: When the Tech Industry Lives in a Bubble. Hmmm, I thought. Glimmers of self-awareness? Not exactly – the tl;dr summary is essentially, "Hey, we live in a liberal bubble! We must seek out more liberals to diversify it! And, boo white males!". The comments about the importance of workers speaking their minds are especially precious, given what happened to Brendan Eich.

ihasch said...

"The world ends. Minorities and women hardest hit." Such is the NY Times. Since when is the NYT's fair or openminded or coherent?

tcrosse said...

Love trumps Trump-hatred.

Unknown said...

It's enlightening to read the comments on this NYTimes article. If you look at the Times picks tab, every comment in support of this student identifies the writer by race, sex, or sexual preference. They truly do see everything though identity colored glasses. On the other hand every comment criticizing the author we are left wondering (or not) the identity of the writer. The left is truly stuck in a racist, sexist, homophobic world, while the rest of us have moved on.

Hyphenated American said...

"A hateful ignorant fuckface is in charge. "

Don't worry, the hateful ignorant fuckface will be gone from the White House in January 2017.

Saint Croix said...

Couple of things I have noticed.

I haven't seen any black people who are freaked out about Trump. They are used to Republican presidents, and they are used to the possibility that a Republican president is racist. This election was probably strange to them in that so many Republicans were freaked out by a Republican who said things that were (arguably) racist. I'm sure they appreciate that Trump has brought out a lot of feelings and truth. A black Democrat watching the 2016 election has learned that Republicans aren't so bad. Trump is basically Nixon, a moderate Republican with an us-vs-them strategy. Right-wing Republicans like Rubio or Cruz or Ryan or Scott--the young Republicans--are in the Reagan tent, not the Nixon tent. This is a Reagan vs. Nixon Republican squabble. We can handle it and get things done. But it's nice for people to see there are Nixon Republicans and Reagan Republicans. I feel like the assumption that "all Republicans are racist" has been shattered for a lot of people who had that assumption.

The people who are freaking out about Trump are young people, mostly white I think. And I thought about this and I think I know why. Most people my age and older probably have a racist in our family tree. My grandparents used to say "colored people." That was their generation, how they talked. My parents had very little racism, and I have less than they do. My kids will be less racist than I am. Race is a stupid way to divide people.

These white Ivy league kids in their 20s, they had no racists in their family. No racist parents, no racist grandparents. An entire family of non-racists, which has made them (of course!) very intolerant of racism, or even a hint of racism. For those of us who are older, and love people who sometimes say stupid things, we understand that no one is perfect. Anyway, they are very rule-bound about what people are allowed to say. But this hasn't made them sensitive people. It's made them pompous and harsh and demonizing. They talk about tolerance all the time, and yet they don't understand tolerance. The idea that they are demonizing millions of people hasn't occurred to them.

Unknown said...

Separate-but-equal is the new black...

DesScorp said...

"And it seemed justified. Why?"

Because liberals think non-liberals are an inferior people; they almost consider us sub-human. As far as they're concerned, it's enlightened people vs inbred relatives. Their arrogance is unending. They've richly earned my loathing. They've made it clear there can be no opposing them, because they're right, were wrong, and thus opposing them is a kind of crime. They've made it clear you're either on their side or you're their enemy. Fine. So I am their enemy, and they are mine..

Birkel said...

Splenetic comments removed?

KCFleming said...

This event never happened.
Bogus, false, fake, imaginary.

After Dan Rather and the recent Rolling Stone fakes, after all that's been revealed about the mendacity of the news media -especially the NYTimes-, why does anyone still bite at these obvious lies?

I know, let's talk about some crisis that doesn't exist!
How do we even know she wrote this?
Why should I believe the NYTimes?
Boilerplate SJW article.

Michael K said...

"Most people my age and older probably have a racist in our family tree. My grandparents used to say "colored people."

So, "the National Association of Colored People" is racist ? Times and terminology change. Blacks can't make up their minds if they want integration or segregation. The vast majority don't care but feel they have to follow the current fashion.

I think my children are more racist than I am but it is more subtle. They don't expect blacks to be able to do anything without whites to help them and guide them.

I grew up with black kids and young men and never had those feelings that they were inadequate.

It's been interesting to watch.

Meade said...

Birkel said...
Splenetic comments removed?

COMMENTS ARE MODERATED some but not all of the time. This is for the purpose of excluding/removing a small handful of commenters who, I believe, intend to ruin this forum. They already know who they are. For everyone else, try to be responsive to the post, don't make personal attacks on other commenters, bring some substance or humor to the conversation, and don't do that thing of putting in a lot of extra line breaks.

Hyphenated American said...

"The military, policing, social security, Medicaid/Medicare. T"

There is no alternative to government owned military, although liberals always complain we spend too much money on defense, and our soldiers are murdering women and children.
So you agree that police is working well, and the rumors if it killing unarmed black angels is a racist lie
Social security, Medicare and Medicaid are bankrupt.

curmudgeoninchief said...

Yes, this silly girl, Ms. B, did relate a story that is the definition of self-justifying, self-important drivel. That is not the important point; the important point is that the NYTimes printed it. The important question is, why did the NYTimes print such a story, in the aftermath of the Trump election?

Former NYTimes journalist Michael Goodwin: "....“because .... the New York Times demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president." Despite Mr. Sulzberger's assurances on last Friday, the NYTimes is still doing the important task of otherizing Trump supporters.

I can't see them stopping any time soon, and I suggest that any and all reasonable persons should withdraw their patronage and support from the NYTimes until the paper provides ample proof they have come to their senses.

mockturtle said...

Defense happens to be one of the very few Constitutional obligations of the federal government.

SukieTawdry said...

I always considered that a swell side benefit of Trump being elected would be to enjoy the agita at the mainstream media and academia.

I read a review of Robert De Niro's new film The Comedian in Hollywood Reporter this morning. The reviewer goes out of his way to connect what he calls the film's "sour tone" to the rise of a real life bullying, insulting reality TV star. I thought, oh brother, here we go again. During the Bush years we had to endure every hack film, theater, television, food, art, fashion, music reviewer's psychopathic need to take an obligatory shot at Dubya. I have a feeling this time it's going to be much worse.

During a job interview recently, I was asked about the audience that I write for. I responded instantly: people who do not look like me. People I can shock with my multifaceted existence — the fact that I am Muslim and an ardent feminist, a child of immigrants and a writer in English. People — mainly white people — whom I can persuade to see reason by sharing parts of myself through stories that make me as real to them as they are to themselves.

On the subway back from Times Square, I realized that I was seeing the election results as proof of my personal failure as a writer. A black friend who was with me saw the election results as proof of her personal failure as a Black Lives Matter activist. A white friend seemed to blame his choice to vote in New York rather than back home in Michigan. Everyone I was with seemed crippled by a collective lack of agency that was more difficult to watch than CNN’s election coverage.


I'm sorry but my only reaction to someone who writes something like that, especially if she's a college freshman, is to laugh out loud at her. Nobody should be as affected and artificial at that age.



Hyphenated American said...

" It's always interesting when the inarticulate attempt to articulate their hatreds'"

True that. This is why I enjoy reading what you write. It's like watching a car crash, over and over, and it never repeats itself.

Anyway, as you correctly pointed out, ""A hateful ignorant fuckface is in charge. "
The person in charge is still Barack Obama (present tense). Or did you forget about it? Or were, as you say, "inarticulate"?

Sam L. said...

DIVERSITY: Just a word, not valid in colleges and big cities, unless you meet THEIR criteria for diversity; a LIE, a CON, a TRAP.

richardsson said...

I discovered this same thing in 2000. Despite having a long history in Democratic Politics, I voted for W. That's when I found out what a bunch of bastards lefty liberals were. I had become a "nonperson" in their social gulag. It didn't hurt me in any way, hell, I'd gone to new schools often enough as a child to have become a very sophisticated observer of social circles and ostracism. The new kid has to prove himself in various ways including using his fists. I found refuge in the library, which turned out to be much to my benefit.
The voters that Hillary needed were the "deplorables" and the "irredeemables." But, she had a long history or hating ordinary white people. After all, on 60 Minutes in 1992, she took a swipe at Country singer Tammy Wynette and later had to apologize for that. So, who was the stupid one in that situation? I think among the reasons I'm no longer a liberal is that they talk all the time about how smart they are, but they are not quite as smart as they think they are. So, I say, cry salty tears, dummies.

walter said...

Oh..what will SNL come up with?

Guildofcannonballs said...

Raylon Givens always just says "he pulled first" so 'twas Justified.

SukieTawdry said...

A few NYT comments:

My heart hurts for you and I know how you feel. As a lesbian, i cannot look in the faces of those who know me and yet voted for Donald Trump without feeling that they have profoundly betrayed me. I don't want to talk to them. I don't want to hear what they have to say. I have lost all respect for them. They cannot possibly justify what they have done to me, to you and to countless others. You are right. We must stand in solidarity and fight for justice and our human rights.

I am not a Trump target...yet, but I'm with you. I urge people to protect their neighbors, their employees. Hide them if you must, and muster your friends to help. We cannot let this very bent man change who we are. We have an obligation, a duty, to fight, and preserve our collective identity.

Take heart, Romaissaa, if your experience is anything like mine, as time passes you'll encounter fewer and fewer advocates of people like Trump--especially if you get a Ph.D. and a faculty appointment. People who cannot see through Trump rarely make it into academia.

I for one can't imagine who raised these young women that are so racist, misogynist, bigoted and willing to accept LOWER PAY FOR EQUAL WORK not to mention relinquishing control of their bodies to an angry white mob. It's so sad but there's a glimmer of hope knowing that there are young people like you out there - stay strong and don't let anyone silence you. Just take care to watch out for your safety.

It's going to be a long four years.

Guildofcannonballs said...

He pulled first.

Lewis Wetzel said...

richardsson said...
After all, on 60 Minutes in 1992, she took a swipe at Country singer Tammy Wynette and later had to apologize for that.


Tammy Wynette left her first husband while she was pregnant with her third child because he mocked her for wanting to be a singer. Compare that with Hillary sticking with Bill out of fear that she can't make it without him.

Lewis Wetzel said...

. . . willing to accept LOWER PAY FOR EQUAL WORK not to mention relinquishing control of their bodies to an angry white mob.

The equal pay act of 1963:

"Section 6 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, as amended (29 U.S.C. et seq.), is amended by adding thereto a new subsection (d) as follows:

"(d) (1) No employer having employees subject to any provisions of this section shall discriminate, within any establishment in which such employees are employed, between employees on the basis of sex by paying wages to employees in such establishment at a rate less than the rate at which he pays wages to employees of the opposite sex in such establishment for equal work on jobs the performance of which requires equal skill, effort, and responsibility, and which are performed under similar working conditions, except where such payment is made pursuant to (i) a seniority system; (ii) a merit system; (iii) a system which measures earnings by quantity or quality of production; or (iv) a differential based on any other factor other than sex: Provided, That an employer who is paying a wage rate differential in violation of this subsection shall not, in order to comply with the provisions of this subsection, reduce the wage rate of any employee."

Nate Whilk said...

Why? You really have to ask?

Howard Dean answered this back in 2005: "This is a struggle of good and evil. And we're the good."

walter said...

Alec Baldwin will almost be a regular cast member on SNL.

KellyM said...

Mock Turtle said, "He's a nationalist., claims R&B.

News flash! Yes, he is a nationalist. So am I. And don't confuse me with the GOP. I'm an Independent."

Me too.

This is something I'm only fully getting my head around this election cycle. The left has had free reign and openly encouraged identity politics for every other group EXCEPT the white majority. Why can't the things that affect us be just as important? We have had 40 years of keeping our collective heads down and running away everyone accused us of being anything but self-effacing and self-critical. Now with the ratcheting up of this nonsensical "white privilege" crap, the pot has boiled over.

When we finally saw a potential candidate who was willing to a)kick the media in the teeth and b)stick it to the globalist establishment (one in the same, we came to see) we were giddy. And even better, he didn't fold, he didn't whimper, and he was sensitive to those things the general majority were concerned with - cops' safety, terrorist actions in places like Orlando, flood victims in Baton Rouge, etc.

Social media made a big difference in this election. The alt-right made a big difference in this election, and they're not going away. When regular people started being shadowbanned and censored on Twitter, it started to make people realize that something bigger was going on. Milo's being kicked off Twitter was the first, followed by many others, including the banning of Clint Eastwood's account. Really? Allowing the #AssassinateTrump hashtag but continually hamstringing #wikileaks hashtag was as rotten as it was expected. I myself finally pulled the plug on Twitter this week. I got on the waitlist for Gab back in October and have not looked back. I highly encourage all here to #getongab. I am not being paid to say this, just want to make people aware of it if they are not.

SukieTawdry said...

I shall be on the lookout for people wearing safety pins:

Millions of us now wear safety pins on our clothes in visible places everywhere we go to provide a message that we are harbors of safety for those so are reasonably afraid. If you are a person of color, a Muslim, or belong to any other group targeted by Trump, and you are afraid, you can rely on those of us who wear safety pins to be safe harbors and protectors for you, wherever you are. We will stand up for you, support you, and protect you. LOOK FOR A SAFETY PIN.

Unknown said...

Do you have any friends who think that we should reverse universal suffrage and take steps to reverse it?

How about ones who believe that birth control is tantamount to murder?

What about the idea that no woman should hold authority over them, and therefore you should not be an instructor? Who plan on enacting laws to this effect?

"Diversity" is great when you aren't under the gun, when someone is not actively trying to make you a lesser citizen through word and deed. It's not idle 'talk', it's the stated aims of this candidate to treat Muslims like second-class citizens.

Do you think that a young Muslim would seek a safer space than being around a person whose response to 'why' is a rough form of he didn't mean the 'stupid things' he said... as he puts a climate change deniale as a possible EPA head, a creationist in charge of the Department of Education, and has a VP who supports conversion therapy against gay teens while causing a HIV epidemic in his own state because he felt the ways to stem it were immoral.

I wouldn't trust my roommate either.

Lewis Wetzel said...

" . . . it's the stated aims of this candidate to treat Muslims like second-class citizens."
No, it is not.
The first step when debating liberals is to stop them from lying. Usually the debate ends there, which is why they insist on spouting absurdities like "it's the stated aims of this candidate to treat Muslims like second-class citizens"

Jon Burack said...

As succinct a statement of why even though I did not vote for Trump and do not like him, I am glad HIllary lost and glad especially people who promote this viciousness, this intolerant mantra of tolerance, lost.

Laslo Spatula said...

walter said...
"Alec Baldwin will almost be a regular cast member on SNL."

I read about these things happening, but I never thought it would happen to me...

I was in a bar in Manhattan one night and a suave man in an expensive suit walked in who everyone turned their heads to see. I didn't recognize him at first, but when he sat beside me at the bar I realized it was Alec Baldwin! Not Stephen, not William, not Daniel, but Alec -- the best of the Baldwin Brothers!

I did not want to bother him -- even a celebrity needs a little peace, right? -- and beautiful women kept coming up to him, one after another, each one somehow better looking than the last. Tits and faces and faces and tits!

Then, during a brief respite from his visitors, he bought me a drink! Me, a nobody, just visiting the Big Apple for the first time!

"Cheers" he said with a smiling shake of his head, and "Cheers" I said, and then I had a drink with Mr. Alec Baldwin, courtesy of Mr. Alec Baldwin! It felt like all of New York City was giving me a hug!

Well, to make a long story short, Alec Baldwin followed me into the bathroom and then fucked me in the ass. God, his shoes looked expensive!

After I pulled up my pants I turned around, but Alec was gone. But there was a Hundred Dollar Bill on the floor, right where he had been standing in those expensive shoes when he fucked me in the ass! A Hundred Dollars!

I Love You New York City! I'm never going to wash those underwear again, despite the blood stains!


I am Laslo.

Big Mike said...

@Sukie, as long as lefties keep acting like this, it's not going to be a long four years. It's going to be a long eight. Sixteen, counting Pence.

Birkel said...

Unknown:

Republicans introduced legislation this year to make birth control pills OTC medicine instead of prescription medicine. Do, please, try not to sound so ignorant.

Democrats blocked that Bill in Congress.

Birkel said...

Unknown:

Are you saying Mike Pence forced people to have unprotected sex? That would be something if it were remotely consistent with truth.

Your comment is ridiculous.

Hyphenated American said...

""Diversity" is great when you aren't under the gun, when someone is not actively trying to make you a lesser citizen through word and deed. It's not idle 'talk', it's the stated aims of this candidate to treat Muslims like second-class citizens."

Don't remember trump saying he would treat Moslem Americans as second class citizens, but the entire liberal establishment supports affirmative action, which means the government and universities and corporations are treating me and my children as second class citizens. And heck, the bustards are pretty happy and proud they are doing this. So stop whining.

n.n said...

It's not diversity. Diversity is of individuals. The Left has reconstituted and normalized institutional racism, sexism, and selective exclusion under class diversity. That is judgment of people by the "color of their skin", not the content of their character (e.g. principles). This was rationalized under their Pro-Choice quasi-religion that not only debases human life, but in reducing men and women to colorful clumps of cells also justified resumption of racism, sexism, etc. under their class diversity schemes. As well as progressive (i.e. offensive, preemptive, opportunistic) wars, trials by sodomy and abortion, and immigration "reform" (e.g. refugee crises, mass emigration).

believe that birth control is tantamount to murder

So, you deny evolution?

Elective abortion is not "birth control", it is not tantamount to murder, it (selective-child) is the casual, willful, and indiscriminate termination of a wholly innocent human life... for wealth, pleasure, leisure, and narcissistic indulgence. As well as to keep women as serviceable commodities, generation of taxable revenue, exploited for Democratic leverage, and production of renewable products for Planned Parenthood.

It's no wonder that abortion rites are the chosen solution, the traditional solution, the final solution of left-wing ideologies globally.

Birkel said...

Terry:

Isn't it odd that Unknown cannot tell the difference between 'second class citizens' and immigrants? How can anybody educate such an ignorant person when they actively choose to lie and ignore reality?

Roughcoat said...

That 9:38 pm post by Laslo confused me. But in a good way.

Saint Croix said...

when she outed herself to me

replace "Trump supporter" with "homosexual" to see if you can figure out who is the monster here

n.n said...

Don't remember trump saying he would treat Moslem Americans as second class citizens

As I recall, there will be no abortion chambers. Not even a camp. Only increased scrutiny to discern principled alignment. This differs from the lefts' policies where people are classified by the "color of their skin" and other unprincipled criteria.

affirmative action... treating me and my children as second class citizens

I guess ex post facto observations to mitigate unmerited prejudice was politically, socially, and economically unprofitable.

And class diversity treats them as second class people.

Saint Croix said...

and the monster's initials begin with NYT

let's cut the 18-year-old author of the opinion some slack

just a kid

doesn't know any better

it's the adults who published this who need to look in a mirror

Michael K said...

" it's the stated aims of this candidate to treat Muslims like second-class citizens."

No, its his intent to make them non-citizens and living in another country unless they can prove benign intent.

Inga, you are too stupid to remember to breathe.

narciso said...

asra nomani, a moslem liberal, voted for trump, despite those concerns, because ikwan influence with clinton was a larger concern

mockturtle said...

and the monster's initials begin with NYT

let's cut the 18-year-old author of the opinion some slack

just a kid

doesn't know any better

it's the adults who published this who need to look in a mirror


I would tend to agree. Why should a major newspaper take the whining of a puerile college student seriously?

Saint Croix said...

imagine rewarding a freshman who "outs" the evil-doer with fame and fortune

you're a shit, NYT!

I hope gay people are paying attention

that gay-Muslim intolerant alliance might have a few problems

let's out them all! let's out them all!

names and addresses and phone numbers

and don't forget the nooses!

clint said...

"Unknown said...

"... and has a VP who supports conversion therapy against gay teens ..."

Good grief.

Even Snopes gave that an unambiguous False rating.

Saint Croix said...

freedom of speech is important

but so is privacy

Saint Croix said...

Freedom of speech is a right that we protect in absolute terms

Invasion of privacy is something that we need to think about

Saint Croix said...

If the NYT wants to divide the USA along partisan lines

and stir up hatred on both sides

doing a great job

that roommate hates you now!

and she really doesn't like Muslims any more

way to teach the 18-year-olds, NYT

hey, if the paper heads into bankruptcy, I'm sure you can find a teaching gig!

walter said...

Laslo,
If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere...

Saint Croix said...

If I see another damn article about roommates not getting along

I might start canceling my NYT subscription

oh wait, I don't have one

Saint Croix said...

when I google "New York Times" and "roommates"

I found this awesome article

that's more like it, NYT!

mockturtle said...

Saint Croix, good article. The South is, indeed, a complex and fascinating culture, which may explain why it produced so many good writers.

Saint Croix said...

Saint Croix, good article. The South is, indeed, a complex and fascinating culture, which may explain why it produced so many good writers.

we do okay

I like New York

big Yankee fan for a while

and then my dad tipped me off that we like the Cardinals

that was the end of that

Amanda said...

1. the Democrats lost all across the country because they didn't turn out to vote

2. It is not accurate to say Democrats lost the "working class vote" The people making 32,500 and under vote Democrat, also people of color comprise the majority of the working class. Trump voters have a median household income of $72,000 (U.S.), more than the $62,000 average U.S. household income and more than Clinton voters earn. Even among his low-education white voters, only 14 per cent earn less than $50,000 a year

3. Reform the cities? The Democrats need to grow the cities. End gerrymandering, the cities should be more powerful then they are.

4. Education makes you less ignorant, this country is very ignorant and not unsuprisingly uneducated, we need to take care of income stratification and aim to create the best public schools in the country. Criminal injustice reform is still a priority along with reducing poverty and fixing education, the incarceration will go down.

n.n said...

Actually, it was the Left who outed transgender/homosexuals, and manufactured narratives of discrimination and violence, to promote themselves.

It has been the Left who use political, legal, cultural, economic, and violent means to disenfranchise, exploit, and destroy their competitors in times of war and peace.

Pro-life is a vulgar term, really? Not since science established and morality dictated the range and value of human life, respectively. Anti-science, indeed.

The Pro-Choice quasi-religion is noteworthy for its selective and opportunistic, unprincipled and vindictive outlook.

German shepherd dog whistle. Good one.

Saint Croix said...

Althouse, this will crack you up

when I was a kid I liked "north" better than "south"

I think because I like blue more than gray

never was a gray man

and I asked my parents, "don't you like the north more than the south?"

and they were like, "no."

probably they were wondering what kind of 2nd grade education I was getting

from that nice white lady, Mrs. Smith

which is her actual name by the way

and maybe she taught us something, can't remember

but I wasn't thinking of the actual place where I was living

I think I just liked the word "north" and the color blue

Saint Croix said...

imagine if all the globes are upside-down

we'd have to rewrite a lot of damn history

people on the bottom are now on top!

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walter said...

Is Michael Moore paving the way for his own political run?

Fen said...

Has it occurred to anyone that the roommate does not even exist ?

I've seen this type of Facebook - they intentionally distort and take things out of context so they can work themselves into a frenzy. It's attention whoring to see who can be Today's Preferred Victim, so they can then bask in all the compassion and empathy thrown their way, They get VPs (Virtue Points) for being victims, and their enablers get VPs for "caring" and soothing them. It's a cycle that feeds on itself.

walter said...

Good point, Fen...given the preceding false flag ops etc.

n.n said...

Has it occurred to anyone that the roommate does not even exist?

They are known for their political works of fiction, pseudo-scientific fantasies, and quasi-religious beliefs.

So, the question is: Is it necessary to respond to their allegations, innuendo, assertions, and projections?

If not, then we can save a lot of time and energy to avoid their misdirection.

It will be interesting to observe what the Republicans do with their newly confirmed mandates. How will they reconcile moral, natural, and personal imperatives?

If they get it right, then the Left will be permanently diminished, and unqualified progressivism and unprincipled liberalism will be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Mark said...

Education makes you less ignorant

You do realize that prejudice and hate are largely learned behaviors? Education in error and falsity actually makes you more ignorant, education away from truth actually makes you less free. The problem with many universities and K-12 schools today is that they have become places where people learn to be stupid.

Gahrie said...
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Gahrie said...

along with reducing poverty

How are you going to reduce poverty?

Literally every year, the government changes the definition of poverty, ratcheting it upwards.

If we gave every person $1 million tomorrow, the new definition of poverty would be "only has a million dollars".

If everything except rocks and sticks disappeared tomorrow, there would still be poverty, because someone would have more rocks and sticks than someone else.

In the U.S. today, it is possible to have a higher standard of living, and more material wealth than 95% of all the humans who have ever lived, and still be considered poor.

The biggest problem facing the "poor" today is not hunger, it is obesity.

So how are you going to reduce poverty?

Amanda said...

@Mark, that post was in regards for what liberals should do, fixing and growing our cities I'll amend that to include fighting voter suppression which is a big, big part of what won Donald Trump this election.

Take a look at a map by county-by-county red/blue breakdown and it will provide a clearer picture of the bind the Democrats finds themselves in. The majority of the blue states--Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Delaware--are, geographically speaking, not blue states but blue cities.

America is one red state with a big, populous urban areas that tip a few states blue
and since urban voters are the Democratic base if we are to combat the rising tide of red that threatens to ruin the country we need urban identity politics.

There are lots of way that would look like.

Gahrie said...

End gerrymandering, the cities should be more powerful then they are.

How could cities become more powerful? They already dominate electoral politics in California, New York, and Illinois giving the Democrats 104 electoral votes before the campaigning starts.

The cities have dominated electoral politics ever since Reynolds V Sims.

And Gerrymandering has nothing to do with how powerful the cities are in electoral politics. All it does is create safe seats among the seats already awarded to the cities.

Amanda said...

For example, maybe all the left leaning small town politicians fighting in their constituencies should noped the f out of there and move to the cities, we should focus on state rights and not give a flying toss if the others want their toddlers to shoot themselves in the face etc

Fix the rigged the system, have online voting, mail in ballots, phone in ballots, same day registration, end gerrymandering, get rid of the electoral college and/or more fairly have the caucuses in new mexico or new york.

Gahrie said...

Fix the rigged the system,

I agree. Start with mandating photo IDs, and cleaning up the voter roles

have online voting, mail in ballots, phone in ballots, same day registration,

How would this make it harder to rig/cheat? These would make it infinitely easier to rig/cheat. Voting should be one day only...no early voting. Absentee ballots only for the military and government workers overseas. If you can't make it to the polls that Tuesday, you don't get to vote. paper ballot...bubble in scan trons just like everyone grows up using in school.

end gerrymandering,
Yes please! Ever single Democratic minority member of Congress comes from a Gerrymandered safe seat. Every minority Republican member of Congress comes from a majority White district. The end of gerrymandering would result in far fewer elected Democratic minorities.

get rid of the electoral college

Worst idea EVER. Could you imagine Florida 2000, but spread across all 50 states? Of course it would result in the candidates ignoring rural voters and only giving a shit about the cities, which apparently is your dream.

and/or more fairly have the caucuses in new mexico or new york.

????? It is up to every state as to whether they have a primary or a caucus. If New York or New Mexico want to have a caucus, they can.

Gahrie said...

that post was in regards for what liberals should do, fixing and growing our cities I'll amend that to include fighting voter suppression which is a big, big part of what won Donald Trump this election.

Now you have sunk to batshit crazy. The MSM are tools of the Democratic Party. Popular culture is on the side of the Democrats. Every major city, including their registrar of voters is controlled by the Democrats. So how the hell are the Republicans, or Trump, suppressing voters?

Gahrie said...

Do you have any friends who think that we should reverse universal suffrage and take steps to reverse it?

I think we should. We should immediately raise the voting age back up to at least 21, and I could easily support 26. (since apparently the Left feels that 26 year olds should still be dependent on their parents...why not?) Then we can start discussing the repeal of the 19th Amendment.

Bob Loblaw said...

"Us vs. them"? That's been Obama's MO for eight years now. "Us vs. them" was just fine when "Us" was you. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, hopefully you'll grow up a little.

Bob Loblaw said...

get rid of the electoral college

That will never happen. And it's a dumb idea anyway. States joined the union under a set of rules, and that's one of them. It would be perfectly reasonable for the smaller states to leave and form their own union if the system was changed such that only five states mattered.

Gahrie said...

@Amanda:

Hunger Games is a work of speculative fiction, not a how to manual.

Amanda said...

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/10/the-real-reason-black-voters-didnt-turn-out-for-hillary-clinton-and-how-to-fix-it/

https://thinkprogress.org/indiana-registration-raid-51a6a7a83f37#.ifa7sueqf

"This was enabled by the Supreme Court’s 2013 decision to nullify Section 5, related to preclearance, in the Voting Rights Act of 1965. That portion of the law, passed under the President Lyndon Johnson administration to prevent voter suppression on the basis of race, requires that states with a history of such practices gain approval from U.S. Department of Justice before making any changes to voting regulations. The absence of that federal oversight has allowed numerous states to restrict early voting hours, which is aimed at targeting voting among people of color. Black voters are more likely to cast ballots in the early morning than any other group."

"A report from the Leadership Conference Education Fund found that there will be 868 fewer polling places in states that had previously been covered by the law. Of the counties surveyed in Arizona, every single one had restricted voting access. Texas and Alabama also decimated the availability of polling places: A respective 53 percent and 67 percent of counties had fewer places to vote than they did during the previous election."

There is lots more, take a lot for yourself.

The election was stolen by GOP Trump operatives, they straight up committed voter fraud
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

n.n said...

The high-density population centers are a source of poverty that must be subsidized to create an illusion of stability. These liberal fiscal policies practiced at the national level are the cause of recurring catastrophic anthropogenic economic misalignments, implosion of Democratic assets, and require perpetual smoothing functions (e.g. trillion dollar debt, Obamacare) and other compensation (e.g. selective-child/debasement of human life, immigration "reform", class diversity/racism/sexism) in order to suppress the fallout domestically, redistribute it globally, and sustain left-wing progressive poverty (i.e. debasement of capital and labor) economic models.

n.n said...

A first-order cause of disenfranchisement, other than class diversity/racism/sexism to discriminate against Americans, foment a war between men and women, promotion of abortion rites/selective child, is immigration "reform" including refugee crises as a coverup for progressive/illegal wars, mass emigration to gerrymander voting districts and exploit Americans, a multi-trillion dollar welfare industry to enact eminent domain and redistributive change (i.e. debasement of capital and labor), and Democratically-controlled public schools that impoverish their students by selected diversity classes.

Trump overcame the Democratic margin of fraud and JournoListic propaganda. Now Americans have to, once again, face the threat of the left's violence in the street, in the schools, and other social places, and the prejudice of progressive pro-choice (i.e. selective, opportunistic, unprincipled, discriminatory) policies. Fortunately, the internal left-wing factional fights have exposed them to public scrutiny that can no longer be hidden by JournoLists, union corporations, civil and human rights businesses, diverse lobbies, and judicial warfare.

Bob Loblaw said...

The election was stolen by GOP Trump operatives, they straight up committed voter fraud

The more of this unhinged nonsense I see the more I realize we chose the right president.

Original Mike said...

Ahh, Amanda's back. Shouldn't you be out burning cars or something?

campy said...

The election was stolen by GOP Trump operatives, they straight up committed voter fraud

Nonsense, I've been told over and over by democrats that voter fraud never happens.

Cite convictions in courts of law or you're a liar.

Rusty said...


The election was stolen by GOP Trump operatives, they straight up committed voter fraud
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/


No. That's what your side does.
Now go home and when you get done sobbing in your pillow grow up and take some responsibility for your life.
You lost.
Your candidate and your ideas suck.
Noe go get a life.

sane_voter said...

Amanda,

You do realize most people skip over your whining, sore loser posts. I hadn't seen you around for a while and mistakenly read a few. That is now corrected.

Paco Wové said...

Nice of Amanda to give us an early view of how the left will cushion themselves from electoral reality for the next few years.

Unknown said...

Whattathey, nuts?
The Obama followers INVENTED "Us-vs-them".

Bad Lieutenant said...

Nonsense Amanda. Donald J Trump won the US presidency in 2016 in a free and fair election. President Obama, Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders have all accepted this reality, congratulated the president-elect and pledged to work with him. Don't be the last Jap in the foxhole!

Anonymous said...

Most people my age and older probably have a racist in our family tree. My granddad used to say "people of color."

Saint Croix's grandkids in a few decades, talking about him.

Amanda said...

Wtf the democrats should be just as obstructionist as the republicans were.
use up their majority even if it loses them elections, instead of what Obama did bending over backwards conciliatting, even if you lose a few elections once you have policies in place they are very hard to get ride of, maybe if he did obamacare wouldn't be on the ropes and needlessly complicated with premiums rising and we'd have a public option that people love.

Gahrie said...

instead of what Obama did bending over backwards conciliatting,

Have you been asleep the last eight years or are you just really batshit crazy?

Rusty said...

Amanda said,
".... instead of what Obama did bending over backwards conciliatting, "

I'm sorry to say this, and I mean it with all due respect. You're an idiot.

mockturtle said...

I'm sorry to say this, and I mean it with all due respect. You're an idiot.


Rusty, you are right. There is no kind way to put it.

campy said...

I'm sorry to say this, and I mean it with all due respect. You're an idiot.

True, Amanda is batshit crazy and demonstrably an idiot — but it's also true that every liberal in America agrees with her that Obama was far too kind to the gop.

Scott Anderson said...

The sooner you realize Progressivism is an expansionist, militant and intolerant religion, the better off you will be. The headscarf girl isn't only muslim, she's also Progressive. The two are different denominations of the same religion.

It's us or them. They made it this way. Time to punish our enemies.

Saint Croix said...

Tammy Wynette left her first husband while she was pregnant with her third child because he mocked her for wanting to be a singer. Compare that with Hillary sticking with Bill out of fear that she can't make it without him.

I did not know that!

Stand By Your Man was motivated by guilt and remorse.

Of course, it's so obvious. Somebody who had actually stood by her man would never sing Stand By Your Man. It's a divorce lament.

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times, and he'll have good times
Doin' things that you don't understand
But if you love him, you'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him, oh be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just a man.
Stand by your man, give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely.
Stand by your man, and show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can.
Stand by your man.
Stand by your man, and show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can.
Stand by your man.


She's singing to herself, giving advice to herself. Awesome.

Saint Croix said...

How about ones who believe that birth control is tantamount to murder?

Nobody thinks birth control is tantamount to murder.

What's insane are the people who cannot distinguish between birth control and abortion. They talk about abortion like it's birth control. This was (of course!) started by people from the Ivy League and Stanford.

From Planned Parenthood v. Casey (on page 852):

It should be recognized, moreover, that in some critical respects, the abortion decision is of the same character as the decision to use contraception...

As a user of condoms since I was 18 years old, can I just say, the people who wrote that should be mocked and belittled at every opportunity. If you can't tell the difference between birth control and abortion, you really should not opine on the subject at all. You should recuse yourself out of ignorance.

Saint Croix said...

Now you have sunk to batshit crazy.

Be nice to Amanda!

Echo chambers are so boring.

Just imagine she's young and hot and you're talking to her in a bar.

Saint Croix said...

I mean, she might be batshit crazy

but keep it to yourself

let's mock the authorities and be nice to the kids who are fooled by them

we have to work on our kid recruitment

figure out how to deprogram them and free their minds

Unknown said...

The Love Trumps Hate message in the minds of many is in actually a way for them to say, "Love Hates Trump". They're using a personal form of BleachBit in a twisted attempt at mental hygiene. So much so that they turn everything on its head.

































Peter said...

"Diversity was never so much about diversity itself ..."\

"Diversity" was a euphemism created to replace "affirmative action" which was a euphemism created to hide the "preference" part of racial preferences.

In any case it just doesn't seem unreasonable to look at what's happened to those European countries that chose to accept high levels of immigration and realize that demographics may doom some which are now liberal democracies to become theocracies.

It's apparent that at least some non-Muslims living in France (that most secular of nations) are now thinking about what was once un-think-aboutable: that it may be on its way to become an Islamic Republic. Or at least some authors seem to be considering that possibility.

Yet if the international community recognizes the right of Islamic Republics to exist (and presumably to remain what they are), then why would it be unreasonable for liberal democracies to take reasonable steps to remain what they are- not necessarily demographically, but politically and culturally? Is there some moral requirement for nations to leave themselves open to cultural suicide?

Unknown said...

This kind of hate from this writer brings shame to all her the Muslim people. New York times you should feel shame for printing an article from someone like this and being a part of the problem. You would think you would want to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

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