February 13, 2011

Why do some people presume the best of the Egyptian protesters and the worst of the Tea Party protesters?

This is something I've been mulling over especially after I heard Rush Limbaugh tie up a long monologue like this:
I find Obama's respect for protests funny.  He hates the Tea Party, he hates their rallies, he accuses them of being all kinds of things, but the protesters in Egypt, why, they are great, Muslim Brotherhood, secular, they're not interested in violence. Obama loves these people in Egypt all the while he is in violation of a federal judge.  This man is so concerned about the law in Egypt, he's got his own health care bill declared unconstitutional, and he acts like the court has never ruled.  So all this talk about democracy and the rule of law, give me a break, he's flipping Judge Vinson the bird.

He may claim to love democracy in Egypt.  He knows what that group is.  He's a community organizer.  He knows exactly what that group is.  That's why he's such a big supporter of that.  He knows that group's just a bunch of agitators.  But to sit around and start talking about, "Oh, we love democracy, and whenever we see it bubbling up, we're gonna support it out there."  Yeah, except when the judge says your health care bill's unconstitutional, we're gonna ignore that.  He loves democracy in action except when it's the Tea Party.  Then all of a sudden they become a bunch of tea baggers, as far as he's concerned.  Yeah.  I'm not kidding.  The American Tea Party, they're responsible for shooting people, they're responsible for all the violence. I mean, who's worked this crowd up into a fevered pitch?  I don't know that my program's on the air there.  And if it were -- he-he-he-he-he-he-he -- they wouldn't like me much.
There's a lot of stuff in there. I'm focused on the question I put in the title. Obviously, I'm also interested in the health care case. He wove that into the discussion — awkwardly... or elegantly?

Meanwhile, the NYT reports:
The Egyptian military, complying with most of the principal demands of the opposition, said Sunday that it had dissolved the country’s parliament, suspended its constitution and called for elections in six months, according to a statement by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces read on state television. It also said it would honor all of Egypt’s international agreements, including the peace treaty with Israel.
The military did not address a third major opposition demand to lift emergency rule. In previous statements, the council had promised to take that step once the security situation improved.
So, at this point, it's pretty much a military coup, making references to an entity called "the opposition," dissolving parliament, and suspending the constitution. I'm just trying to understand what's going on and why we should feel so much confidence about it.

Or is it political theater? Perhaps Obama et al. are only acting as though they have full confidence that the outcome will be democratic and free, because it is a way to state our expectations, make that outcome more likely, and position us to pressure the military government if that doesn't happen.

Have I stumbled into the answer to my original question up there in the post title? If it's "political theater," then a completely different set of gestures with respect to the Tea Party makes perfect sense.

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chickelit said...

Is that too simple?

Yeah it is. I'm looking back at the video at this link, credited by some with being the spark that ignited the Tea Party movement. link.

I've also got some neighbors who stopped paying their mortgage "because it was too high". They also have a couple other things going for them: they've stated that they:

(1) "are down with free healthcare" end quote, meaning that it's a good idea.

(2) oathe Palin for inexplicable reasons.

(3) "love" Obama for what he stands for.

I'm not making this stuff up but I do live in California.

Milwaukee said...

The point of a Bar Mitzvah is the community saying this is an adult. Old enough to be making serious decisions about sin, integrity and his relationship with God. George made a choice. Can't say that I see any evidence that the choice was out of character. Whether he had one or not, he was older than the age his community separates children from adults. So, when do children become adults? After they are 28, have moved out of mom's basement, and finally have their own health insurance? No. Tough choice? No doubt about it. I'm glad I haven't been in that spot. But, we all make choices everyday, and will all, sooner or later, say where we stand. He has never denounced his decision. Yes. George was being weak.

So, why is it "mom's basement"? Is it because the dad won't tolerate such nonsense? Of the mom threw the dad out ages ago, and he isn't around to tell the kid to stiffen his spine?

Steven said...

@Maguro It's kind of like saying you'd rather vote for Obama than have the clap.

If it were just my (almost certainly not decisive) vote for Obama vs. having the clap, I suppose I'd vote for Obama. If I had to decide between Obama being (re)elected vs. me having the clap, I'd have to give that more thought, but it would probably depend on the alternative candidates and the office in question.

Also, for the record, when I said that I'm "hopeful" about Egypt, I didn't mean that I'm necessarily optimistic. I'd really hate to bet on whether Egypt will be better off in a year or five than it was a year or five ago.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

It's just soooooowoowow weeeeaaak to decide that as an adolescent you're going to survive rather than go to your death along with other adults who have no chance of survival regardless of what you do! What a horrible thing to do. How dishonorable and ignoble.

If Jews were as dumb as gentiles like Milwaukee they would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago. Pretensions toward goofy concepts like "honor" are for people who have the luxury of pontificating on matters that don't even touch on the long-term survival of an entire group of persecuted individuals targeted for mass extermination. Let us rebuke the shameful man known as "George Soros" for not understanding the honorable imperative of being a lemming. Their memories would be sanctified by his choosing to die so that he could add one more number to the totals on Hitler's bedpost. Or something.

Suicide is not honored in Judaism. And neither are intellectual abortions.

Revenant said...

The point of a Bar Mitzvah is the community saying this is an adult.

You're pathetic.

He was a 14 year old boy who chose to deliver paperwork instead of being killed. You would have done the same thing, and everyone here knows it. Only a lunatic insists that children should lay down their lives in the name of resisting oppression.

JBlog said...

As horrible as some people think the tea partiers are, I don't believe many of them practice female genital mutilation or believe stoning is a perfectly appropriate punishment for adultery.

Unlike the Egyptian protesters.

Birkel said...

I'm going to fix this paragraph for you:

He was (old enough to know better and) chose to (betray his basic humanity) instead of being killed. (I know I) would have done the same thing, and everyone here knows (that about me). (That may be why I'm so defensive about these matters but I'm not a psychologist and haven't delved into my own feelings of inadequacy enough to understand why I would knowingly betray honor, integrity, morals and ethics.) Only (somebody who disagrees with me would insist() that children lay down their lives in the name of (doing the right thing by resisting evil men bent on a murderous rampage).

Did that more or less capture your true sentiment?

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