September 21, 2019

"Trudeau speaks with the bashfulness of a man who expects sympathy from a country that adores him as a father does his little boy."

"That’s fitting for the scion of a Quebecois dynasty and son of former prime minister, the late Joseph Philippe Pierre Yves Elliott Trudeau. He didn’t do better because he didn’t 'know better,' and he didn’t know better because no one ever taught him. Justin Trudeau sounds a bit like the adult version of the notorious affluenza teen who drunkenly drove a Ford F-350 into more than 14 people and killed four, then had a psychologist testify that his permissive upbringing in a world of wealth had left him ignorant of the ramifications of his actions. You see, your Honor, he was never told 'no.' That Trudeau is a relatively liberal politician living in a relatively liberal country — one that markets itself as a haven of multiculturalism and tolerance and, in many ways, actually is — likely amplified the problem. He never learned a lesson because he was always getting gold stars for doing relatively liberal things...."

From "Justin Trudeau says his privilege made him do it" by Molly Roberts (in WaPo).

Roberts's main point is that even if privilege explains why you did something, it's not a reason to let you off the hook. Obviously, the "affluenza teen" (Ethan Couch) deserved to be held responsible for his crime, whether his "affluenza" explanation evoked sympathy for him or not. I believe the "affluenza" explanation made us think less of Couch.

But Couch stumbled into his notoriety. He didn't ask to be judged especially virtuous. He dulled himself with alcohol and had an accident, then did what he thought might work to minimize the consequences. He succeeded in winning a light sentence, and he's moved on to obscurity.

Trudeau sought and received elevation to the highest position in his country. How much did that involve presenting himself as an especially virtuous person? He's asking for continuing trust and admiration. His misdeeds didn't kill anybody, and they happened about 20 years ago. What, if anything, does he deserve now? I'd say it's an occasion for everyone to reflect on our tendency to see virtue in a nice-looking young person from a privileged family. We should not be so hurt and surprised that such a human being is not as wonderful as we indulgently allowed ourselves to feel.

One thing I like about Trump is that he never inspired such feelings and he rose to power without the force of the delusion that he was a special, golden, good boy.

99 comments:

gilbar said...

you hear this ALL THE TIME!

"i'm not racist! i contribute to the ACLU!"

gilbar said...

our liberal betters, are Better than us; so, IT'S OKAY for them to do things (like use the word Okay,) that would NOT be acceptable for the great unwashed.
You see, since they're better then us; they have More Privilege, so they Can't be held accountable

Trump, on the other hand! Trump is from Queens! That's not even really part of New York; it's basically a Suburb; and as a suburbanite, Trump is (by definition) Orange!

Matt Sablan said...

I felt that the Trudeau quotes I saw, like where he admits it was blackface, are more him just saying: "You guys don't really CARE I did it; can we get this theater over with please?"

Tina Trent said...

Blaming privilege is root causes theory for people who didn't grow up in the hood.

jaydub said...

From Wikipedia: "Born in Ottawa, Trudeau attended Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf, graduated from McGill University in 1994, and then the University of British Columbia in 1998. He has a bachelor of arts degree in literature and a bachelor of education degree. After graduating, he worked as a teacher in Vancouver, British Columbia. He started studying engineering at Montreal's École Polytechnique in 2002, but dropped out in 2003. Beginning in 2004, he took one year of a master’s program in environmental geography at McGill University, but left without graduating in 2005. He has also held jobs including camp counselor, nightclub bouncer, and snowboard instructor.

"In the 2008 federal election, he was elected to represent the riding of Papineau in the House of Commons. In 2009, he was appointed the Liberal Party's critic for youth and multiculturalism, and the following year, became critic for citizenship and immigration. In 2011, he was appointed as critic for secondary education and sport. Trudeau won the leadership of the Liberal Party in April 2013 and led his party to victory in the 2015 federal election"

Nothing but his name qualifies this ne'er do well to be the PM of Canada. He's the real "Being There" politician, but fortunately he's PM of Canada where he can't do any harm.

rhhardin said...

Trudeau didn't do anything wrong. It's a virtue crime to the woke. Mock the scolders.

Temujin said...

The Kennedys come to mind.

traditionalguy said...

Trudeau is a perfect ruling liberal. He is lazy, resentful of the success of others and rules over a zero sum game where he is THE ONE delegated to steal the fruits of the success of creative risk takers and re-distribute them for a small 90% to 100% commission.

We have on of our own coming: The Harvard anointed Woman of Steel and General Secretary of the Liberal Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Lizzie I.

tim maguire said...

jaydub said...Nothing but his name qualifies this ne'er do well to be the PM of Canada.

I can’t believe they left off his stint as a snowboard instructor. It’s one of his most important leadership positions.

I always figured the only people who care about blackface are liberal whites, who care because they think they’re supposed to. An informal survey has confirmed that blacks don’t care, though I was alarmed by the reason—they (these are Canadians, BTW) don’t think it matters that Trudeau wore blackface because all white people do it.

I have never in my life (and I went to college in the deep South) been in a room with someone wearing blackface. To my knowledge, no one I know has ever worn blackface, but at least some blacks are convinced white people do it all the time.

That’s a problem that Trudeau deserves fallout for—he has played to a caricature and set back race relations by confirming a stereotype.

Danno said...

One thing I like about Trump is that he never inspired such feelings and he rose to power without the force of the delusion that he was a special, golden, good boy.

Trump is truly our perception of a bull unleashed in a china shop. The elites go into full TDS mode whenever Trump is mentioned. He pretty much divides the country into those people with common sense versus those with only credentials.

wendybar said...

I am so sick of liberals USING White Privilege as an excuse for everything they do that is not PC today, and calling everybody else White Supremacists. Grow the hell up and take responsibility for your own actions.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

This week in Trump Awakenings - Trump managed a rare double, being both Saudi Arabia's bitch and Iran's bitch at the same time.

rhhardin said...

If you let actual bulls into a china shop, they're extremely careful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw2iBmRsjs

Bob Boyd said...

Nobody died from being impacted by Trudeau's black face appearances.

If you want to compare it to a moving violation, it's more like he drove the wrong way down a one-way street...20 years ago...before it was a one way street.

Matt Sablan said...

"Trudeau didn't do anything wrong."

-- He broke the rules he would enforce on others; being hoisted on your own petard is the epitome of endings for cartoon villains. Let him deal with the fall out he'd have heaped on others.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Althouse said ...
One thing I like about Trump is that he never inspired such feelings and he rose to power without the force of the delusion that he was a special, golden, good boy.


Althouse attempting to make the best of things - he may be a sociopath, but he never said he wasn't.

MadisonMan said...

That's really poor writing in WaPo. They make it sound like Trudeau was the one who plowed into the crowd and killed 4, and I'm thinking "Wow! My memory is shot! I have no recollection of that!"

Hagar said...

It is beyond me why dressing up like a Sheik of Araby for a costume party is a bad thing, but, Oh Canada, Justin Bieber, Justin Trudeau, you elected him, you get to live with him.

Mike Sylwester said...

Democracy Dies in Darkness!

Unknown said...

Everyone in CA should attend Brownface sensitivity training

except rainbow sparkle socks

tim in vermont said...

But Justin is so dreamy.

Shouting Thomas said...

I don’t agree with Trudeau on much, but all this huffing and puffing over makeup is negative and stupidly censorious.

In my book, people are free to wear whatever color makeup they like.

Fernandinande said...

From "Justin Trudeau says his privilege made him do it" by Molly Roberts (in WaPo).

Do what? Wear the wrong kind of makeup?

affluenza...another "goofy judge" story.

One of these things is not like the other:
- wear makeup.
- get drunk and kill people.

Howard said...

I wonder why liberals never remark that conservatives are "their betters"?

tim in vermont said...

Trump is anything but a sociopath. Trump is the opposite of a sociopath. He is a successful politician that you don’t like. Stop kidding yourself and ask yourself why.

Oh, that’s right, you already took the easy way out and decided he’s a sociopath and that much of the country is fooled by that because they are too stupid to know their own best interest. It’s a win win, you don’t have to worry your head about why people resent policies that move manufacturing overseas plus, and this is the most important part: you get to feel superior to the people who vote differently than you.

tim in vermont said...

Howard is deaf to irony and even, bless his heart, sarcasm.

Bob Boyd said...

Trudeau went to a costume party dressed as a minority.
Elizabeth Warren stole a really good position set aside for a minority.

Shouting Thomas said...

I’m not aware of any of these misdeeds by Trump.

What are they?

tim in vermont said...

"I don’t agree with Trudeau on much, but all this huffing and puffing over makeup is negative and stupidly censorious.”

It’s game theory. If you don’t respond in kind some of the time, they will continue to escalate. Studies have shown that if you take the high road every time, they will just get more and more aggressive.

Ralph L said...

I'd have gone with "effluenza" for Couch.

Matt Sablan said...

"If you don’t respond in kind some of the time, they will continue to escalate. Studies have shown that if you take the high road every time, they will just get more and more aggressive."

-- It's not like I think he'll face any real consequences. VA's leaders have proven that. There'll be some pretend outrage by the people who'd call for the scalp of a Republican who did the same; he'll pretend to be sorry. All will be forgiven. When a Republican is caught to have acted stupidly in a few months or years, and we say, "What about when you let X slide," it will be called "whataboutism" and we'll dutifully hand over the scalp of the idiot.

Sally327 said...

This is the same guy who recently, last year? the year before? went to India on vacation and he and his family swanned around the country wearing traditional Indian outfits in the most ostentatious manner possible. So, no, it's not just bad judgment or unthinking behavior from 20 years ago.

Howard said...

Blogger Skylark said...

Howard is deaf to irony and even, bless his heart, sarcasm.


You people keep repeating that mantra because deep down you know it's true by every objective measure of free-market capitalism.

tim in vermont said...

"You people keep repeating that mantra because deep down you know it's true”

No. We keep saying it because it is funny to us, as you show us here twice now, that you really, deep down, believe it.

tim in vermont said...

Your lack of self awareness is a constant source of amusement, Howard.

Matt Sablan said...

Republicans think Democrat, coastal elites are their betters the same way 5-year old Billy thinks the socks his grandma gave him are "neat."

tim in vermont said...

Howard is a Calvinist preacher. It’s divine Providence that puts first movers at the top and their subsequent anti-competitive practices intended to pull the ladder up behind them is the highest form of free market capitalism.

If it turned out I was some kind of tech deca-millionaire, would that make me better than you Howard?

tim in vermont said...

What if it turned out that I had taken my entire family to various “tastings” of famous chefs complete with wine pairings, in London, Paris, etc. Dropping a grand in Euros or Pounds, or whatever each time? Would that make me your better?

Hypothetically, of course.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Skylark said...
people resent policies that move manufacturing overseas


Not only do people resent it but people, including me, see it as a disastrous strategic move. Trump really doesn't give a shit beyond how it affects his reelection prospects. He uses foreign manufacturers for all the crappy trinkets that he sells.

John henry said...

son of former prime minister, the late Joseph Philippe Pierre Yves Elliott Trudeau. 

Is he really the son of Pierre Trudeau?

His mother slept around quite a bit (blew 5 Rolling Stones, among othr things lots of rumors that Fidel Castro is his father.

I read it on the internet it must be true.

John Henry

jaydub said...

"That's really poor writing in WaPo. They make it sound like Trudeau was the one who plowed into the crowd..."

No, I think that was Beto? My bad, he only hit a truck while DWI and then tried to flee the scene of the accident. Of course he was a mere lad of 26 when that happened, only blew a 0.136 and he'll never be leader of anything, so it's not really the same as Trudeau putting on black face. Still, both Trudeau and Beto are poster boys for elite privilege, so they have that going for themselves. Which is nice.

Amadeus 48 said...

ARM is off his meds, and Howard is in there swingin' his ax--but so are the Trumpers.

It's another beautiful day at Althouse comments, where moderation sometimes brings peace and reason.

rhhardin said...

"Trudeau didn't do anything wrong."

-- He broke the rules he would enforce on others; being hoisted on your own petard is the epitome of endings for cartoon villains. Let him deal with the fall out he'd have heaped on others.


The problem isn't hypocrisy but the rule. Hypocrisy is his own problem, the rule is everybody's problem.

Matt Sablan said...

Rhhardin: The surest way to cause a bad rule to be rescinded is vigorous enforcement.

John henry said...

Skylark, ARM,

Since 1950 the value of manufactured goods produced in the US has increased every year but 3.

That's adjusted for inflation and total population.

For example:

1970 it was $1,225

2010 it was $6,011

Here's a chart showing mfg output (up) vs mfg jobs (down)

Really people, how can we have any kind of conversation when output and jobs are conflated as if they move together?

You two aren't the only ones. Lots of people do it. You two, as Althousians, should know better though.

John Henry

John henry said...

Here's the article link

https://www.mercatus.org/publications/government-spending/us-manufacturing-output-vs-jobs-1975

The 1970-2010 per capita numbers are calculated from the Stastical Abstract.

John Henry

Ray - SoCal said...

Has Megyn Kelly commented on the Brownface?

Trudeau’s side has treated those that disagree with him viciously, labeling them as racists. Axelrod has been advising him, do they imported Chicago type smearing / Alinsky tactics.

tim in vermont said...

"Trump really doesn't give a shit beyond how it affects his reelection prospects.”

That’s the beauty of democracy. Who cares why he does it? But your knowledge of Trump’s inner motivations, and your psychiatric insight into his very being is amazing though. Only wield that awesome power for good!

John Henry

If the jobs and money are moving between classes, and the working class men in the US are seeing their jobs move overseas, it matters little to them if some tech millionaire is grateful that BMWs are so relatively cheap! Absolute numbers miss the whole issue.

What is your suggestion of the ever present cohort of men and women who simply don’t like school, will never pass a math course higher than basic geometry, and who simply want to make a decent living doing something that is within their capacities, you know, doing the kinds of jobs that prevailing policies have moved into the hands of much cheaper Mexican peasants, or whatever? Should we make them flip hamburgers and compete with illegal immigrants on wages because all of the value add jobs within their powers have shifted overseas?

These people are with us and the income inequality problem is a real one, and one of the reasons that the mega rich support the Democrats is that Democrat policies make it even worse. Meanwhile they have ignorant tools like Howard to cheer them on.

tim in vermont said...

If these jobs are so worthless, why do the Chinese, the Europeans, the Canadians and Mexicans even, fight for them?

Birkel said...

"Trumpers" - Amadeus 48

Dude, you're not the better of any of us either. Get off your fucking high horse. Trump has pursued policies that many of us perceive as in our own best interests. You are free to do the same with all your preferred John McCains and Mitt Romneys. We won't criticize you personally or call you names. We'll just note that our respective perceived self-interests are at cross-purposes with yours.

If you want future political allies you might want to hold off on the not-so-subtle insults.

Fernandinande said...

Transvestism is a form of womanface, but it's OK because kabuki.

Well, actually it's better than just OK, it's something to celebrate!

"Please prove you're not a robot"

We have that test fooled: a human looks at the pictures but a robot writes the text. [metallic robot voice]Bwahahaha[/robot voice] ...speaking which, the thought police meat robots went after Richard Stallman and he resigned from MIT.

Matt Sablan said...

Trump: The dick who pursues, on average, occasional Republican policies, is exactly what I warned the left they'd get if they kept treating every Republican like a Nazi -- even boyscout Mitt Romney and relatively moderate John McCain. The left chose the form of their destroyer, and while I wish Trump were more to my liking, I can't do much but shrug and say: "Well, I warned them."

Fernandinande said...

I thought I had an idea but "Womanface is the new blackface" was on reddit 9 months ago...maybe my idea was its illegitimate baby.

Birkel said...

Matt Sablan:

Name the progressive policies Trump has pursued.
Name the Democratic policies.

If you cannot find them, then your phrasing is all wet.

mockturtle said...

I'd say it's an occasion for everyone to reflect on our tendency to see virtue in a nice-looking young person from a privileged family.

Whose tendency?

Matt Sablan said...

I don't think he's progressive, but he's been very willing to sell out on somethings. He was willing to compromise A LOT to get the wall built (which, oddly enough, I was all for some of the things he was willing to give up as, while not ideal, a reasonable trade.) He's been good on judges; he's been good on the border. His foreign policy is about as good as you can expect in the given environment; he's got the same problems we'll have for probably another couple of generations with getting spending under control (how much of that is his problem is up in the air.) Maybe the better phrasing is he's not a strong-form Republican? He's not perfect, but I don't really care if he's perfect. His policies are fine enough; they're probably closer to what is realistic. I also don't think that if we DID have a boyscout like Mitt Romney instead that the left would be treating them any differently than Trump. So, while I'm not a Trump fan per se, and wish he'd do things differently, I don't think, in the grand sum, he's that much different policy-wise than any other Republican who could have been elected. It's just he burns so much goodwill on stupid stuff.

John henry said...

Skylark,

You missed the entire point of my note again.

We are losing manufacturing JOBS. Some going overseas but most lost to automation over the past 70 years. And before that, too going back to the producting of portable power by mathew boulton and James Watt.

We are not losing Manufacturing OUTPUT. That has been going up continuously for for 100 years or so.

That was my complaint. Too many people don't understand the difference. Apparently you are one.

"producting" is not a typo. H/T AAT in a comment here on 8/1. Watt invented the useful steam engine and the science behind it. But is was only because Boulton figured out how to manufacture it that it did the world any good.

Both were equally important to us.

John Henry

mockturtle said...

Fernandistein observes:

One of these things is not like the other:
- wear makeup.
- get drunk and kill people.


Exactly. To even suggest a parallel is idiocy.

Fernandinande said...

"our tendency to see virtue in a nice-looking young person"
Whose tendency?


People with normally functioning eyes and brains.

Matt Sablan said...

What's interesting is that I'm literally the sort of moderate Republican Democrats COULD WIN... if they'd only not be crazy. The problem is that, while I don't necessarily like Trump... he hasn't caused any of the calamities I've been warned about. His opponents aren't providing any solutions within an acceptable range, and even the Republicans who want to primary him are doing it more out of spite than actual political reasoning. I'm a gettable vote, and all that happens is you get people on the other side unwilling to agree when I say "hey, maybe street violence against Trump supporters shouldn't happen" or insist that "the walls are closing in" on Trump.

I don't like the guy; I'm still sane enough to not think we ought to tear down all the trees in the forest to get him though.

Birkel said...

Matt Sablan:

What advantage(s) has(have) liking a guy ever provided you?

John henry said...

Skylark,

These people unwilling to learn a skill can flip hamburgers or dig ditches. It is our responsibility to provide the opportunity to learn a skill and we do a pretty good job of that as a country.

If they don't want to put in the effort to learn (waaah, math is haaaard!) why do we have any further responsibiliy to them?

I think I've been pretty vocal here about the need to stop illegal aliens. They should not be here.

If you have never read Henry Ford's first memoir "my life and work" you should. You can download it free. "I will never use a man to do a job a machine can do!" he famously said.

As he produced millions of Model Ts, employed tens of thousands of workers at double the prevailing wage (many more indirectly) and drove the cost, in actual dollars from $900 to $300.

John Henry

tim in vermont said...

So what’s your point then John Henry? That we should bring in more and more illegal aliens to do the work of people sidelined by automation? Still Donald John Trump is your guy.

Trump has been successful, sociopath or no, in bringing up wages at the bottom. Raising wages by diktat is a losing proposition, but raising wages by not undermining the bargaining power of the poorest citizens among us? All good, except that the wealthier people will find that their service suffers. Same thing happened to the rich in the south when slavery ended.

tim in vermont said...

"If they don't want to put in the effort to learn (waaah, math is haaaard!) why do we have any further responsibiliy to them? “

That’s where you and I part ways. Yes, our nation has a responsibility to people who can’t learn math.

daskol said...

Trudeau actually pissed off lefties this past year by not blocking pipeline construction through native lands. He caught flack from the Mau-Maus and the sudden surfacing of this issue may be related to bridges burned with the fringes of his coalition.

Matt Sablan said...

Very little. But, from a purely tactical view point, having a likable person instead of an unlikable one (all else being similar) is preferred. The problem is that the likable people lack some of the other traits that Trump brings that helped him (his willingness to call bluffs on his opponents, for example.) Trump is not great; I do think though that his downsides are greatly exaggerated as well. I honestly don't even think it is his fault that his persona is so central to the opposition to him. It's the natural evolution of presidents as personality that we've been going through (and probably we've cycled through a few times in the nation's history.)

Again, he's only really a massive disappointment on a personal level. His policy failures or where he's weak I think are generally pragmatic. He's not my first choice in the field of contenders we had in the last primary; he's still better than Clinton would be, in part because the left will watch him like a hawk to keep him as honest a politician can be. The dislike of him is really purely academic at this point since, really, we're not going to be given a reasonable Option B who gets close enough to policy agreements, and while he's personally abominable, we've accepted literal rapists and perverts as presidents in the past and still lionize them today, so his exaggerated worst character traits aren't disqualifying.

Still: I just don't like him. Though, to be fair, I've never met him, so maybe in person when he's not playing his persona, he's a decent guy (there's lots of interviews to that effect from people who work with him, so I accept I could Just Be Wrong about Trump the Person.)

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

“Democracy Dies in Darkness” is WaPo’s fervent wish.

tim in vermont said...

To put it succinctly, The whole purpose of unlimited immigration and untrammeled free trade is to make the rich richer and undermine the bargaining position of the lower economic classes.

Traders in New York and Chicago don’t care where the work is done, they make their money regardless.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Blogger Matt Sablan said...
What's interesting is that I'm literally the sort of moderate Republican Democrats COULD WIN.


What's interesting is that you are still humping this crap three years later. You are as likely to vote Democrat as Drago.

Matt Sablan said...

I actually voted for a local Democrat on several occasions, and in 2004, voted for Nader, so, unless Drago has a voting history that includes a vote for Nader -- I think you're wrong.

Matt Sablan said...

(To be fair though, the Nader vote was in part because I wanted someone, anyone, to break the % needed to break a two-party system, and I at the time lived in a state where my vote for either of the other candidates didn't matter, so maybe you can't really count that vote.)

John henry said...

One of my nephews is an industrial mechanic. A very good one. Just spent a week in his plant and he was assigned as my helper.

He's 42, never cared much for school so went to work after HS. Not even trade school. All OJT.

Last month he started studying mechanical engineering. Full time, it is a 5 year program. No telling how long it will take part time.

He will do this while continuing to work 40-50 hours a week and the company will reimburse him subject to good grades.

This has long been common benefit in US companies. It is also seldom used.

The program is open to any fulltime employee. He is the only one taking advantage of it.

Learning is haaaaaad! Waaah!

John Henry

Matt Sablan said...

(Also, being from Delaware, I've actually liked several of our Democrat governors, and even now that I'm in VA, I find that some of the local level Democrats that are actual moderates are appealing. The problem is that at the presidential level, it is a very binary choice, and you don't really have "moderates." Trump was, in some ways, a very moderate Republican -- in part because I think, on a personal level, he just doesn't give a damn about social issues except the homilies he has to say to keep the base in check, and I'm a fairly libertarian live-and-let-live when it comes to social issues. He also seems to, while he dislikes the press immensely, to be much better on press freedom than Clinton would have been. I'm a Free Speech Absolutist, so that's a pretty major consideration. If Rockefeller Republicans still existed, I might fall into that category; I could also be a Blue Dog Democrat in some areas if they hadn't been Old Yeller'ed hard during the Obama era.)

Matt Sablan said...

Though, I think kinda-sorta-libertarian is the best actual description for where I fall politically, since both of those other two descriptors are not as close as they could be.

John henry said...

My daughter got her Masters in engineering management (shes a ChemE) at night while working full time. Company paid.

It was a ton of work for her.

It paid off, she is now running a 300 person plant.

You have to put the work in to get the rewards. If you don't want to do that, flipping burgers is a sound occupation.

John Henry

Ken B said...

I agree pretty much completely with Althouse here.

I would a couple caveats. Trudeau’s campaign has made hay with old comments by some opposition members and has very definitively presented himself as a paragon. More importantly, he has a history that people foolishly ignore. He physically assaulted two members of parliament on the floor of the house. He told one to get the fuck out of the way. He did his hang dog apology schtick then too.

He was elected because he inherited his mother's looks and his father's name. Away with him.

JAORE said...

"I'd say it's an occasion for everyone to reflect on our tendency to see virtue in a nice-looking young person from a privileged family."

My classic example:

John-John Kennedy was very pretty for a man. He certainly came from a family awash in celebrity and privilege.

He failed the bar exam, repeatedly. He headed a heralded magazine that folded (in pre-on-line ages). He flew his private plane in conditions well beyond his training and experience. In doing so he took his own life plus that of his wife and sister-in-law.

Headlines followed that we had lost our Prince, our "best and brightest".

Birkel said...

Matt Sablan,
Your answer could be summarized as "Although it has gained me nothing, I continue to be motivated by the MSM's soap opera bull shit."

It's your decision to make.
But that's pitiful.

Seeing Red said...

Little Boys shouldn’t be running countries.

Especially at his age.

Michael K said...

he may be a sociopath, but he never said he wasn't.

ARM is, as usual, half right. Lots of politicians are sociopaths, including both Clintons and Obama.

Trump is NOT a politician which is why they hate him so much.

Also, he is a quick study. You should read a biography of him. Blacks' is the best.

They REALLY hate him for that. Ryan was unteachable but McConnell has figured out he can get stuff done by cooperating.

ARM thinks "free trade" is a Republican virtue. It is only when reciprocated. China has been mercantilist since Deng. They bought the Clintons and Biden, which was enough for a while.

wildswan said...

Milwaukee used to have the Allis Chalmers assembly line, the Ford assembly line. These were plants employing 20,000 people and these plants taken away from Milwaukee and sent, not to some other state where the hardworking could follow them, but right out of the country. That's the root of the problem in the Great lakes area - that that scenario was repeated thousands of times leaving 7 million fewer good jobs.

Now it's true that Milwaukee and all other Great Lakes cities are ringed by prosperous suburbs that include light manufacturing plants (300 jobs) in the mix. And matching that there's a steady move wherein the kids who got out of the MPS system by going to out of school district schools or charter schools and got a basic education, then move out of Milwaukee City toward the decent jobs. But 40% of young black guys in regular MPS leave without a high school degree. Once, if their parents and the schools let them down but they still had themselves, willing to work, they could have gotten a boring well-paid assembly-line job at the factory down the street. Now there's nothing, not even a job without a future. This is the ruin wrought by the Dems in the big cities and this is one of the things Trump is trying to counter by bringing back manufacturing. And if you look at the struggle the President of the United States is having when he tries to have a sane manufacturing policy, can you doubt that an uneducated 18 year old from center city will have a struggle trying to get a job? There is no other answer for them but education and a job - I agree with that.

wildswan said...

I used to live near Spadina Road in Toronto and my friends and I, lefty commune dwellers, went to the pubs there. Justin Trudeau's mother used to escape to freedom by going to these same pubs and getting wildly drunk. A free spirit. And there were rumors .. So if you can believe that anyone could escape to freedom by going the same local pubs I went to in my twenties, you might be Justin Trudeau and put on blackface, believing the same nonsense as his mother, that other people's ordinary lives are an glamorous escape from your own.

Mary Beth said...

I'd say it's an occasion for everyone to reflect on our tendency to see virtue in a nice-looking young person from a privileged family.

Like they did with Nick Sandman?

It's only the Liberal ones (even the ugly ones) that are seen as virtuous - or, at least, forgiven of their sins.

Thuglawlibrarian said...

Look, Prime Minister Justin Trudeu (the same douchebag who corrected that young woman mid-statement about saying "mankind" rather than "personkind" at some townhall event) dressed up in blackface over the course of three decades (1980s, 1990s, and 2000s). That is fucking remarkable and the 2001 event was when he was 29 years old (a full grown employed adult).

This guy is unreal and he richly deserves everything he gets - good and hard.

William said...

Megyn Kelly remarked that not everyone who wore blackface did so from racist motivations. She was fired for that offense. Even worse than wearing blackface is any attempt to defend that form of cosplay as being non-racist. I'm pretty sure that Trudeau didn't intend to demean black people when he dressed up as Aladdin or Harry Belafonte, but he has wisely foregone that defense. He instead admits to committing a vile offense and contritely apologizes. But he puts the blame for this sin rather more on his white skin than on any personal failing. He'll probably be forgiven......Just as a side note, why would anyone want to go to all that bother for a costume party. Putting on and taking off that much makeup would seem like a huge hassle......Like JFK Jr, Trudeau looks like the kind of person whose skills and enthusiasms would much better suit an actor than a politician. He really is good looking. That's very hard to fake.

Unknown said...

“His misdeeds didn't kill anybody, and they happened about 20 years ago.” He didn't’’t do anything wrong. It was a bleepin costume. Listen, not a fan of any of the Bieber’s err... Trudeau’s ( well Margaret was kinda cute) but could we just stop?

ken in tx said...

Digging ditches is not an unskilled job. You have be able to operate a back-hoe, track-hoe, or Ditch Witch.

Hanoi Paris Hilton said...

Worth noting is that Baby Trudeau, after the blackface/brownface brouhaha emerged, offered to make amends to his base by going after "assault rifles". Where did I hear something like this before? Oh yeah, it was when the SHTF with poor Harvey Weinstein —following his bizarrely ejaculating into a potted plant in his office in front of Gwyneth Paltrow (or some equivalent shiksa starlet), and Weinstein thinking that maybe he could somehow still come out smelling like a rose— made a grandiose gesture about soon contributing big bucks to bring down the National Rifle Association. I'd guess Baby Trudeau hadn't caught that story when it came down.

Amadeus 48 said...

Trumpers. Trumpsters? Trumpkins? Trumpeters? Trumpingtons?

I don’t know. I support him too. How should one refer to Trump supporters? Trumpers seems inoffensive to me.

If seems to me that Mr. Birkel is a little sensitive.

Howard said...

Birkel's a she, so it's racist to call her insensitive

Howard said...

Don't you have Mexican backhoes in TX, Ken?

Birkel said...

Amadeus 48,
Try conservatives.

Birkel said...

Better a woman than a pussy, Howard.

tim in vermont said...

https://www.thecut.com/2016/05/clothes-and-the-lack-of-them-that-shocked.html

Justin’s mom. Alas the portal through which the dreamy Justin was delivered to our planet is covered by a dot.

If this costs him 1% of the vote or people saying home, I am happy.

tim in vermont said...

Howard’s comments here are so pathetic they are making me sad, but it’s not really pathos, it’s bathos, because I am not really ‘sad,’ Howard, I am writing ironically. I know it’s hard for you to make these distinctions. It’s OK, my Labrador doesn’t understand irony either, and he is a great dog.

Bathos is the act of a writer or a poet falling into inconsequential and absurd metaphors, descriptions, or ideas in an effort to be increasingly emotional or passionate.

tim in vermont said...

This is leaving him forced to defend his left flank by promising to go after gun owners rather than reach out to the center.

John henry said...

Digging ditches by hand is unskilled labor.

Ditch digging has been
Largely automated with backhoes etc operation of which Is skilled labor.

John Henry

John henry said...

Did Allis Chalmers move any us production overseas?

My understanding is that they mainly just failed. Like Studebaker, Nash, kelvin, international harvester and many other companies that could not make products people wanted to buy.

Like Harley in the 60s with rebadged Benellis or Chrysler In the 70s with rebadged Mitsubishi the did try importing machinery and pretending it was theirs but that seldom works.

If A-C were still in business today that 20m employee plant would have triple the output and maybe 5,000 workers. Maybe less.

John Henry



Had they stayed

Birkel said...

International Harvester was sold in parts to other companies.
It was not about products but finance.
It's successor companies are still selling the products people did want to buy.