December 14, 2016

"I fell in love with him because he really talks about helping African-American, black people and that's why I'm here."

109 comments:

Drago said...

Cue the leftists in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1: Jim Brown is a sellout Uncle Tom and is not really black!!

eric said...

I wonder if Trump will have the opposite effect on Althouse that Obama had.

She voted Obama in 2008, but she came to her senses in 2012.

I assume she didn't vote for Trump in 2016. Will she come to her senses and vote for him in 2020?

Amadeus 48 said...

Jim Brown has been notoriously crusty for a lot of his adult life. It sounds like Trump really connected with him.

Original Mike said...

That CNN anchor sure didn't seem to like what Jim Brown was saying.

Original Mike said...

"Will she come to her senses and vote for him in 2020?"

Don't you think we should wait four years and see how he does first?

Bay Area Guy said...

Jim Brown still has some serious street cred.

With Kanye West and Jim Brown, hopefully Trump will make good inroads with the black community. The goal is for blacks to vote 30% GOP, 70% Dem -- which is similar to other minorities. Smashing groupthink and identity bloc voting would be healthy for both parties (although it would be initially painful for the Dems).

Mick said...

This is the beauty of having a man who really loves his country, has not been a politician his entire life, has actually held a job and hired people, and is a natural born Citizen as POTUS, rather than one born of an alien father, who seeks to validate the dreams of the Marxist alien father, who views himself as a "citizen of the world", and who wishes to "transform" the US into something foreign.

Trump is the Grey Champion of the 4th Turning.

JAORE said...

Based on his cabinet choices, Trump aims for results not just good intentions. I wish him well. The African American community is drowning in good intentions. Positive results delivered by Trump and a Republican congress with be a game changer. If Trump can show even modest improvement for young, male AA's it will be the greatest nightmare of the left come true.

I expect the media and elected officials with a D after their names to do all they can to subvert the effort and any reporting of positive results.

Michael said...

Trump will win over the black community. Hide and watch.

LarsPorsena said...

The last I heard of Jim Brown he was pitching white women down flights of stairs when they refused to go on a three-way with him.

Levi Starks said...

That's nice Mick,
I'll add that I won't be hearing Trump every time he opens his mouth tell me that everything that's wrong with the country and world is the fault of white men of European descent,

Chuck said...

I find it fascinating, that there is such a 1950's/1960's quality about Donald Trump. Trump talks about General Patton, doubtlessly based on the 1970 movie. Trump's other cultural references are filled with 1950/60 notions. And Jim Brown was without a doubt the greatest running back (and maybe the greatest athlete in America) in the late 50's and early 60's.

Levi Starks said...

That's nice Mick,
I'll add that I won't be hearing Trump every time he opens his mouth tell me that everything that's wrong with the country and world is the fault of white men of European descent,

victoria said...

I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?

Was relevant maybe 25 years ago, but today? That's like Henry Kissinger, relevant? I think not. really, these guys can barely walk and talk. They can barely put a coherent sentence together.



Vicki from Pasadena

Nonapod said...

My Scott Adamsian analysis: Thus far the pattern has been, Trump invites (summons) a personality to The Tower. In some cases, it's an unlikely personality, causing bemusement and concern amongst many. After meeting with Trump, the person in question effuses positively about him. Trump charmed the pants off of them. It's more a PR campaign then anything else.

Of course discerning the pattern means that Trump now has to change it.

Paddy O said...

Great to see. May it bear fruit. Getting change requires going around the entrenched corruption and it becomes clear who wants to help the poor vs who wants to help themselves by talking about helping the poor. Like I said in the past, I hope I was wrong about Trump and this is the kind of indication that encourages me in that hope.

Mike said...

Just think how nice race relations could have been if Black Jesus had done half the outreach Trump is doing! He ain't even IN office yet and already he's healing the divided nation. Progressives heads are going to explode with disbelief and rage at their loss of control over the Plantation.

I'm thinking there will be a gradual transition of "heartland" Democrats becoming Republicans during Trump's term as his policies pay off and draw praise from the people who really do want to see America be great. The Strong horse theory applies here as well.

Chuck said...

Michael said...
Trump will win over the black community. Hide and watch.


They said that before the election. But Trump didn't do much of anything, to "win" black votes. Trump still only got about seven or eight percent of the black vote. He may have done very marginally better than Mitt Romney, but of course Trump wasn't running against Black Jesus Barack.

Trump likely won, because the black voters who support Democrats 90 to 95%, didn't turn out like they did for Obama.

traditionalguy said...

Jim Brown said it all. Warriors respect other warriors.

Take Brown's speech and insert the American Race for the black
Race and it still tells it all.

DJT has started the All American Party. They can add the 82nd's AA patch to the red caps.

Mike said...

Chuck: But Trump didn't do much of anything, to "win" black votes. Trump still only got about seven or eight percent of the black vote. He may have done very marginally better than Mitt Romney, but of course Trump wasn't running against Black Jesus Barack.

Wrong wrong wrong. He went to the inner cities and said that Blacks "had nothing to lose" by switching parties because the Democrats just talk about change but don't bring it. Maybe that pitch didn't resonate with you. But it was in the news a lot. People said it was talking down to Blacks. Apparently you missed this and other moves he made because you were so busy examining what he said to an entertainment reporter in private 10 years ago when Trump was a randy democrat. So you missed that. And you don't know what "marginally" means if you're using it that context.

Here again lifelong Republican Chuck shits on the Republican president-elect with myths and misdirection manufactured by progressive media. Digging that Kool-Ade aren't you Chuckie!

Apparently you also missed the fact he got a higher percentage of Black votes since 1960, easily 50% HIGHER than Mitt's total. You missed that too. (The math is 21>13, dumbass.)

Matthew Sablan said...

... My theory that: "People voted for Trump because he asked them nicely and the other side did not" is slowly being solidified as these meetings make me realize that Trump knows how to ask people nicely for things and make them feel good about helping Trump.

Guildofcannonballs said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fq8BS9Ra_3s

Matthew Sablan said...

"He went to the inner cities and said that Blacks "had nothing to lose" by switching parties because the Democrats just talk about change but don't bring it."

-- I thought it was actually a solid argument. He wasn't going to argue that Barak Obama failed them, or that the Dems abandoned them. He basically said: "They mean well, but have things gotten better? Give me a shot; I can't do worse." Which, for people who are at the bottom, is a pitch they might listen to. A weird pitch, but hey, I've read books/played games/seen movies based on, "it won't be that bad, and hey, the showing is free/I have a coupon."

Gahrie said...

I think not. really, these guys can barely walk and talk. They can barely put a coherent sentence together.

Sounds like the current Democratic Party leadership to me.....

Better be careful about dissing Brown though...he won't just sit and take your shit like Democrats are used to minorities doing.....

Mike said...

I agree Matthew. Just ASKING for the vote is a big deal to some people, and they responded.

Robert Cook said...

"Based on his cabinet choices, Trump aims for results not just good intentions."

Yes, it shows Trump aims for consolidating the rule and further enrichment of the plutocrats and the further immiseration of the rest of us.

Matthew Sablan said...

Mind you: I am still at best a Trump agnostic.

But, apparently, he's an incredibly charming man one-on-one.

Matthew Sablan said...

Ok, immiseration is a pretty great word.

Mike said...

TIWTW

Old White Bitter Lady from Pasadena doesn't like uppity Black men talking to the wrong kind of people. Well thank you, Vicky, but I'm sure the millions of people who love and respect JB don't need your condescension. Didn't you hear? Condescension is one of the 1000 ways HRC lost the campaign. Because people like you are so prejudiced and mean to your fellow Americans.

Mike said...

Your immiseration is your own problem Cookie. Stop blaming Trump.

Hagar said...

Hi there! We are from the Government and we are here to help you!

Guildofcannonballs said...

"They can barely put a coherent sentence together."

But those words are in private with Trump.

Others will then ask and beg knowledge of the event. It is very beautiful, lacking all darkness and vileness, that which feeds so many progs.

Darrell said...

Trump has a shelf full of civil rights awards--two major ones from Rev. Jesse Jackson himself. The left believed their own lies and that's why they are surprised now that he has a lot of Black supporters and friends.

FullMoon said...

victoria said... [hush]​[hide comment]

I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?

Was relevant maybe 25 years ago, but today? That's like Henry Kissinger, relevant? I think not. really, these guys can barely walk and talk. They can barely put a coherent sentence together.


Jim Brown generally does not like whites Jim Brown quit football at the top of his game, and put his money where his mouth is, helping black punks change their lives and becoming useful citizens. He did not stir up shit like Sharpton and Jackson. He went down to street level and worked with gangs and bad guys.

Jim Brown praising any white person is rare. Jim Brown praising Trump really is a very big deal/ Trump gonna get more blacks saying "He white, but not as bad as I thought he would be". If Trump runs in 2020, he will destroy his Dem opponent, and he will coast in on good feelings.

Big Mike said...

Lots of people go into the Inner City communities and promise to make things better. If Trump actually does make things better (presumably fighting the Democrat city bosses all the way), that will be a game changer.

This will be news to liberals, but there are problems that require more than good intentions and throwing other people's money at it in order to fix them. I will be watching closely with hope in my heart for the first time since I was a college student demonstrating for civil rights back in the mid-1960s.

Drago said...

Cookie helpfully "Lefty-white-splains" to the African Americans who apparently just don't understand what is happening.

Get those guys back in the plantation cookie! They have nothing to lose but their chains if it only they were capable of internalizing your fabulous Marxist life lessons! Our own Venezuela reality could be so close!

Comanche Voter said...

Trump has two distinct reputations in his personal dealings. In public he can be a blustering buffoon. But in private conversations, he can apparently charm the birds out of the trees.

mockturtle said...

It is clear that many black voters are tired of being treated like part of a reliable bloc by those who would keep them dependent on their rationed benevolence, most of which takes the form of positions in federal, state, county and municipal government or in poverty programs. Many of these--if not most--were corrupt from the start and begat even greater corruption as funding increased. Rather than help their communities, these low-level politicos lined their own pockets and gave favors to friends and family. Make no mistake! This was the real goal of the Party itself! Much like Tammany Hall. Much like the Mafia.

Fabi said...

How did those evil plutocrats immiserate you, Cook? Did they steal your agency? Free will?

Limited blogger said...

Couple thousand more leftist heads exploding, oh dear.

Comanche Voter said...

Did Dublin Dave have a sex change operation and become Vicki in Pasadena?

traditionalguy said...

AA Divisionis like Trump landing in 6 States the last day. It is the most mobile airborne infantry in the world. That figures. The 82nd's Motto is "death from above".

n.n said...

Revitalization. Rehabilitation. Reconciliation.

Trump's history of working with people engenders an optimistic outlook.

Gahrie said...

Yes, it shows Trump aims for consolidating the rule and further enrichment of the plutocrats and the further immiseration of the rest of us.

Tsk tsk Comrade Cookie...you're supposed to paraphrase what your handlers are saying, not simply transcribe them.....

C'mon Cookie...even you giggle to yourself when you type words like "plutocrats" don't you?

rightguy2 said...

The CNN'ers appear stunned. Look for more good men like Jim Brown to come forward and say that their dealings with Trump have been good and they support him. The CNN'ers and/or democrats have been painting DT as Beelzebub incarnate, and, when ordinary people see that he clearly is not, they'll come around. Trump's favorability ratings have risen to 50% since 33% in August. Fearless prediction : by inauguration, his favorability ratings will approach 60%, maybe even exceed that.

EMD said...

Cook and I probably share the same level of ire for beltway bastards. It's the Capitol District in spades. The problem is, Cookie expects too much out of them. I just chalk up failure and cronyism and whoring as normal and focus on my own well-being.

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tcrosse said...

Yes, it shows Trump aims for consolidating the rule and further enrichment of the plutocrats and the further immiseration of the rest of us.

Would those be the plutocrats who donated so much money to Hillary ?

Chuck said...

Bullshit, Mike! I call bullshit on you.

I don't give a flying fuck what you think Donald Trump did, or said, to convince black people to vote for him. They didn't; not in any significantly different way from how they have (not) voted for Republicans.

And it is not fair, comparing black votes in 2016 to 2012 or 2008. Romney and McCain didn't have to run against Black Jesus Barack. But even then, Trump didn't do much better. Trump did better, only by default. Black voters didn't turn out, for Hillary.

It was THE DIFFERENCE in Michigan. There were more than 130,000 fewer votes cast in Wayne County, Michigan in 2016 than in 2012. Trump won the entire state by less than 11,000 votes. Between them, Trump and Clinton produced about 80,000 presidential "undervotes." (People who voted, but who made no choice for president.) Trump turned off a lot of voters who could not bear to vote for a Dem. And Hillary inspired a lot of black voters to not vote at all.

Where are you getting your 2016 black-voter stats?

FullMoon said...

Next up is Oprah, hopefully. See, the secret is, Trump is getting multi-millionare/billionaire leftists up in his gold plated office. They start talking about the plight of the black man, and of the demise of planet earth. Then, while Leo, and Al, and Bill are nodding thier heads in agreement, Trump says "You wouldn't mind investing in alternative energy factories in the inner city, would ya? You wouldn't mind settin' up trade schools in the ghetto, would ya? You know, eliminated Govt bureaucracy and waste? You provide the money, and as President, I'll back you and smooth the way. " Of course he will make it impossible to say no.

David said...

victoria said...
I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?

Was relevant maybe 25 years ago, but today? That's like Henry Kissinger, relevant? I think not. really, these guys can barely walk and talk. They can barely put a coherent sentence together.


Victoria, your ageism is showing. Actually more than that. Your ageism has stripped naked and is parading around the internet.

Quite vicious, you are.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Left has thrown a smorgasbord of charges at Trump (racist, sexist, homophobe, crass, vulgar, billionaire).

But, to my knowledge, he has never once said a derogatory thing about blacks. That's a false charge, and black leaders know this.

Most blacks aspire to the same Middle Class status (home, car, work, good schools, safe streets) as whites. A small portion of the hardened inner city blacks, such as the drug-dealing gangbangers, cause most of the problems.

If Trump can move the political needle in the black community from 8% GOP to 30% GOP - its natural resting place -- much progress will be made.

Mike said...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/?utm_term=.21c18c8644ab

or

The
Washington Post
, asshat. Where are you getting your bad vote data?

And what the hell does this even mean: And it is not fair, comparing black votes in 2016 to 2012 or 2008. Romney and McCain didn't have to run against Black Jesus Barack

Fair?

Hint to Chuck: Increasing something roughly 50% is a serious increase in electoral politics. The Republican share of the Black vote went from 13% to 21%. Suck it. This is GOOD news, dumbass. Why are you pissing on the parade?

Mike said...

I'm still stuck on how Chuck can propose to analyze the vote without comparing different sets of data, like prior votes. How exactly can you assert the Black vote was no big deal and whine about Romney if your NOT comparing votes?

Ah screw it. I don't really care what problems your brain has, Chuck. Maybe everyone else was right and I shouldn't feed the troll. Black Votes Matter though, Chuck. Black Votes MATTER.

David said...

Jim Brown and Donald are both high intensity alphas. They each understand what they see in the other.

JPS said...

Victoria, 11:15:

"I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?"

Someone didn't see The Dirty Dozen. Jim Brown will always be relevant, and I don't care what the topic is.

Mike said...

The BBC analysis appears to support C's 8% assertion. We both agree the drop from 93% to 88% in support from Obama to Clinton made a big difference in the Black vote. I was actually looking for state by state data, because I know there were some precincts where Trump actually got a larger percentage than the 13% I saw elsewhere. Hmmm. Total participation among Black voters dropped from 13% nationally to 12%, which is significant in light of the increased White turnout.

Robert said...

Chuck said...

Michael said...
Trump will win over the black community. Hide and watch.

They said that before the election. But Trump didn't do much of anything, to "win" black votes. Trump still only got about seven or eight percent of the black vote.

----
Trump has the opportunity to win millions of black voters over now that he's actually in power. Before he won, all he could do is talk. Many black voters who voted for Obama intentionally helped Trump win by abstaining from the election. Now they have the chance to see if Trump earns their affirmative votes in the future.

Drago said...

Mike: "Hint to Chuck: Increasing something roughly 50% is a serious increase in electoral politics. The Republican share of the Black vote went from 13% to 21%. Suck it. This is GOOD news, dumbass. Why are you pissing on the parade?"

LOL

"lifelong republican" Chuck, fresh off his solid predictive performance in the last general election where he spent every waking moment attacking Trump and, oddly enough for a "lifelong republican", refusing to engage in a detailed way on Hillary's flaws, now wants us all to know that any gains Trump made #DontReallyCountAndItsNotInAnyWaySomethingWeCanBuildOn.

You know, just as you would expect of a "lifelong republican".

dwick said...

Jim Brown ain't no dummy when it comes to politics...
Reference his comment in expressing his disappointment in Obama back in 2013 saying it seemed like he (Obama) was over his head:

“...sometimes in politics, to get something done, it takes a special kind of knowledge and a special kind of person bu it doesn’t always follow the party lines.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gridiron-great-jim-brown-grades-obama-100997

More insightful words were never spoken.

Roughcoat said...

Running balls-out across the courtyard of that castle, dropping hand grenades down the air ducts ... show me a running back who killed more Nazis than he did.

Drago said...

victoria: "I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?

Was relevant maybe 25 years ago, but today? That's like Henry Kissinger, relevant? I think not. really, these guys can barely walk and talk. They can barely put a coherent sentence together."

Wow.

Thanks for your input privileged white woman. I'm sure your opinion is highly valued in the black community.

Anglelyne said...

Chuck: Bullshit, Mike! I call bullshit on you.

I don't give a flying fuck what you think Donald Trump did, or said, to convince black people to vote for him. They didn't; not in any significantly different way from how they have (not) voted for Republicans.

And it is not fair, comparing black votes in 2016 to 2012 or 2008. Romney and McCain didn't have to run against Black Jesus Barack. But even then, Trump didn't do much better. Trump did better, only by default. Black voters didn't turn out, for Hillary.

It was THE DIFFERENCE in Michigan.


I agree.

Even a guy whose authoritative predictions about the unknown future are just about always wrong (say, about who's going to win Michigan), can manage to accurately transcribe reported figures about the known past (say, about who won Michigan).

(You'd think the former would eventually sand down the blustering pomposity a bit, but I guess not.)

Sebastian said...

"He ain't even IN office yet and already he's healing the divided nation." Next thing you know, he'll be summoning -- sorry, inviting -- college presidents to the Tower. Whatcha gonna do about student loan defaults, people? I mean, we're losing more money on your business than on Boeing and those damn Air Force planes. How bout some real due process and real free speech? And oh, by the way, you sure you wanna be sanctuaries? I mean, I'd hate for you to lose grants and aid and all, but --.

Quaestor said...

They can barely put a coherent sentence together.

Also spracht Victoria die rassistische Frau.

David Baker said...

"She [Althouse] voted Obama in 2008..."

True, but go back and look at the choices.

gadfly said...

Considering that Jim Brown is a a good friend of Bill Cosby, this Jim Brown snippet from a February 1968 interview with Alex Haley, published in Playboy is interesting.

Haley: It's fairly common knowledge that you've long been the target of demonstrative admiration by many female football fans. Is it just coincidence that most of them happen to be white?

Brown: You're just tipping around the edges of the big question at the bottom of the mind of every white man in this country: "What about you blacks and white women?" Right? Well, OK, let's talk straight about that. I'll tell you the very first thing that always knocks me out about that question. Why is there always the implication that the white woman is just mesmerized, just helpless, if she's with a black man? Everybody knows the smart, hip, 20th century white woman is in complete control of herself and does exactly what she damn well wants to do and nothing else. So what's the reason the white man has her pictured in his mind as hypnotized and helpless with a black man? The other thing that bugs me about that question is the assumption by the average white man that any black man he sees with any white woman has got to be sleeping with her. To me, that instant assumption tells me a lot more about that white man than it does about the black man—or the white woman. Let's assume he's right that a lot of white women are either openly or secretly attracted to black men. It happens to be true—but let's ask ourselves why. Well, the answer is that the white man himself has made his woman this attracted to us.

Haley: How?

Brown: For generations, he has painted the black man as such an animal that it's not only natural but inevitable that the white woman's mind occupies itself with this big, exciting taboo. And, yeah, a lot of them do more than think about it; they decide to find out. And when they do, they find that the black man isn't the gorilla the white man has painted; that he may be as much of a gentleman as any man she has known and may even pay her more respect than her own kind. You can't blame her for responding—and you can't blame him for responding to her, because he's the same man who for 300 years couldn't open his mouth or he would die, while he saw the white man having sex as he pleased with the black woman. Let me tell you something interesting to do. Every time you see a Negro from now on, just take note of his complexion. See how few are jet black and reflect how all the Africans brought over here were jet black. It might help you to do some thinking about who genetically changed the color of a whole race of people, diluted them from black Africans not into black Americans but into Negroes; even the word is a white man's creation, a stigma, a kind of proper form for "nigger." Historically, there's been about a thousand times more sex between white men and black women than between black men and white women—and a thousand times more black man-white woman sex goes on in white men's minds than ever does in fact. And I'm not in the least criticizing where it is fact. I believe that whatever any two consenting adults—black or white—do in their own privacy, without causing harm to any other party, is entirely their own business. The white man may consider it his business; in fact, most do; but I don't feel that it's mine!

GRW3 said...

I would have voted for him anyway over HRC having lived through her first act in the Whitehouse. It was his outreach to the African American community that really caught my attention. It may become his "Nixon Goes to China" moment. Many of us knew that this was an unfair problem but we also knew that to mention it, and it's obvious roots, was to be branded as a racist by the civil rights gangsters, the democrats and the MSM. They almost ruined Daniel Moynihan, a liberal stalwart. Trump don't care. He decided to speak truth to power.

gadfly said...

@LarsPorsena said...
The last I heard of Jim Brown he was pitching white women down flights of stairs when they refused to go on a three-way with him.

In the period of a few months in 1995, two girls accused Brown of molesting them. One refused to press charges, but the other took her case to court. After Brown was acquitted, she tried again with a paternity suit—and lost that, too.

Haley: Speaking of babies, you were once the defendant in a paternity suit filed by an 18-year-old Cleveland girl. Though you were subsequently exonerated, it didn't exactly enhance your public image. What were the details of the case?

Brown: Actually, I was sued for assault and battery. Then the same party sued me for paternity. I figured, hell, I'm strong enough to fight it out publicly, and that's what I did. I sat a week in that hot courtroom, missing a number of important commitments. It never would have gone to court if I had been guilty; I would have dealt with it the way a man should deal with a thing of that nature. Anybody who doubts that doesn't know me.

rightguy2 said...

"I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown? "


Actually, I think Jim Brown is a lot more relevant than Colin Kapernick.

Alex said...

Ritmo will be citing senility.

gadfly said...

Sorry, Jim Brown's paternity suit wasin 1965.

Darrell said...

All the Black women around the food pantry that I said were going to vote for Trump--said they did vote for Trump. These were the ones saying that the refugees should stay in their own damn countries, A couple of them said some White guy asked them who they voted for outside the polling place and they said "Who do you think?" Then they laughed. Those white guys wrote something down--probably that they voted for Hillary. This is Chicago, so it doesn't really matter. Just more votes for Trump in a losing cause.

Freeman Hunt said...

Oh, no! He has spoken of love for Trump, the new love that dare not speak its name!

traditionalguy said...

NB. Brown professes he works with poor ghetto teens that have no father, no hope and no discipline. IAM NOT BOURGEOISIE. He is not representing the black middle class on Affirmative Action path to set asides.The Dems do great for them. Brown is for the real hopeless teens trapped in Dem ghettoes.

mockturtle said...

One of my early teen crushes was on Jim Brown. I had a photo of him on my wall. Other early crushes included Fidel Castro, Chou En-lai and Christopher Lee. I don't discriminate by race. :-)

Mark O said...

The Russians made him do it.

viator said...

Freeman Hunt said...
"He has spoken of love for Trump, the new love that dare not speak its name!"

This has to be the thread winner.

Will anybody dare bake us a cake with "I Love Trump" on it.

n.n said...

Interesting video. He recognizes diversity within the classes and effortlessly unites people under common principles.

Chuck said...

Mike I don't know where you and I stand at this point, in the debate over Trump's black voters.

I think the consensus is that Trump got about 8% of the black vote in 2016. With a markedly reduced turnout among black voters.

Gallup then supplies us with the pre-'16 black voter results in presidential elections:

Romney '12 5%
McCain '08 1%
Bush '04 7%
Bush '00 3%

Then before 2000, Gallup used a broader category, "Nonwhite," to classify that voting group. And the numbers are predictably larger:
Dole '96 12%
Bush '92 11%
Bush '88 18%
Reagan '84 13%
Reagan '80 10%
Ford '76 '15%

Blacks don't vote for Republicans in any decent numbers. Even if it is Donald Trump, playing the part of a Republican on tv.

Black turnout matters greatly, insofar as they are such a freakishly reliable Democrat voting machine. For the first time in American history, in 2008 (Obama I), black voter turnout nearly equaled white voter turnout. For the first time in American history, in 2012 (Obama II), black voter turnout exceeded white voter turnout. Game. Over.

In 2016, black voter turnout declined (maybe, for the first time in American history; I don't know). Game. On.

None of this proves, or even has anything to do with, Donald Trump making any sort of special Trumpian appeal to blacks.

Arthur James said...

In the scheme of things, maybe Obama was important for the emotional lift and confidence he installed within the black community, however it also exposed the need for a deeper racial message. Maybe a broader and more effective racial harmonizing includes the Republicans and their call for the elimination of identity politics.

Gahrie said...

Black turnout matters greatly, insofar as they are such a freakishly reliable Democrat voting machine.

Now

...but that wasn't always true. In fact, the percentages used to run the other way, that is why the Democrats were so desperate and determined to evade the 15th Amendment.

The Black vote began to shift during FDR's New Deal......

Gahrie said...

One of my early teen crushes was on Jim Brown... Other early crushes included Fidel Castro, Chou En-lai and Christopher Lee.

One's mind boggles.......

AJ Lynch said...

I wonder how accurate the exit polls can be because we spend the next four years pointing to their findings as if they were flawless.

AllenS said...

Right on, AJ. I've been voting since 1968, and nobody has ever asked me who I voted for.

Drago said...

In the same way that Trump was going to lose in a landslide to Hillary!, "lifelong republican" Chuck now exhibits utterly static thinking in regards to the intent and potential of the most revolutionary candidate to ever seek and win the Presidency!

"lifelong republican" Chuck is a "little" thinker and will never be anything more.

Drago said...

Conrad Black has a most interesting take on things: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443011/donald-trump-revolution

Of course, Conrad Black is clearly not as astute an observer as "lifelong republican" Chuck, but still worth a read.

bgates said...

I fell in love

The alternative was to just fall in line.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Not long ago "lifelong Republican" Chuck was assuring us there was no way Trump would win Michigan. Impossible! Chuck knows! He lives there!

"Chuck now exhibits utterly static thinking in regards to the intent and potential of the most revolutionary candidate to ever seek and win the Presidency!"

I'm reminded of a Dylan lyric: "Because something is happening here but you don't know what it is,do you, Mr. Jones?"

Gretchen said...

What a great man, amazing NFL athlete (some say he was the best LACROSSE player ever to live), open mindedness at 80 is huge. Hopefully Trump can lift everyone up, which I believe he wants to do.

Gk1 said...

Is there a precedent for the level of activity from a president elect in our recent memory? Even during the depths of the 2008-2009 stock market free fall I don't think we saw Obama this visibly engaged in public relations, cabinet selections etc. Sure there was the usual press admirers opinion Obama should take the reigns of power while Bush was in office, but I don't remember this level of activity from a president elect.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Agree!! Brown was awesome in "The Dirty Dozen"!!

Robert Cook said...

"Cookie helpfully 'Lefty-white-splains' to the African Americans who apparently just don't understand what is happening."

As usual, you display your lack of ability to understand (either that, or to honestly represent) what you have read. You're just too eager, always, to shoe-horn your pet grievances into any comments or replies to comments you deposit here.

I'm not talking to or about African Americans, at least, not specifically. I'm referring to all of us who are not among the plutocrats who will be served by Trump's government of plutocrats.

Michael K said...

I have once again started scrolling quickly past chuck's comments.

Vicki shows what leftist white women think about the problems of black Americans. Nothing.

Jim Brown, as others pointed out, is no pushover for politicians. I think it significant what he said about Trump.

Gahrie said...

. I'm referring to all of us who are not among the plutocrats who will be served by Trump's government of plutocrats.

Wanna bet Obama's cabinet has/had a higher net worth than Trump's?

Wanna bet it had as many or more Wall Street types?

Aren't you curious as to why the last big Wall Street corruption case was brought eight years ago?

Michael said...

I like to imagine Vickie up there in the morning haze typing away, the bougainvillea dripping, waiting for the sun to clear the hill. Pasadena is white as white can be, excepting the Mexicans clipping away there at the hedge. It is lovely to be in Pasadena, high up there above ...what?....it all.

exhelodrvr1 said...

The Vickis of the world have to discredit the Jim Browns; the future of the Democratic party depends on it.

Clyde said...

As Scott Adams noted in one of his recent blog posts, the problem that the Democrats have is one of cognitive dissonance. They've been bleating on about President-elect Trump being the new Hitler, and it's pretty obvious to anyone that meets with him that that is not the case. This means either that he's not just a monster but a terribly charming monster, or else everything they've been saying is a lie. The latter idea shakes their worldview to its foundation, which means that the only alternative to accepting it is hallucinate things that are even more monstrous.

It appears that President-elect Trump understands the psychological affect on potential opponents of talking to them and listening to their concerns. Such a display of empathy is a very disarming thing for someone who goes into such a meeting prepared to find a monster and then discovers someone who says he wants to work with them to help improve things for them and the people they represent.

He did the same thing in meeting with the tech sector bosses today, people who almost all supported Hillary Clinton, no doubt. It had to have been a big cognitive dissonance moment for most of them. But making America great again will take the efforts of everyone, Republican, Democrat or independent. I am hopeful, for the first time in a long time, that perhaps a new direction will benefit our nation.

Drago said...

Noted conspiracy-theorist Cookie: "I'm not talking to or about African Americans, at least, not specifically. I'm referring to all of us who are not among the plutocrats who will be served by Trump's government of plutocrats"

It appears that not only are the Russians hacking our elections and the "wreckers" destroying the leftist peoples paradise in Venezuela but someone, somehow, has jedi-mind-tricked Cookie into forgetting what the thread topic actually is.

Well, it was probably the plutocrats!

"plutocrats"!

Just saying it makes me want to simultaneously pickup a "Stay out of the War" (WWII) sign as well as a "Second Front Now" sign so that, like Cookie, I would be prepared to turn my principles on a dime in order to support whatever that days narrative should be as determined by the Comintern!

Again, workers of US (like Venezuela) unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains....and food...and water....and medicine....and electricity....

PianoLessons said...

I completely agree with Clyde's thoughtful post. For the first time in a long time - I think we might have a chance to hope our ship of state is turning to a new direction that inspires ....you know....hope and change.

The Looney Left only do politics to "Feel Good". All of the sudden in my Madison WI hood I'm seeing Peace Flags waving...they've been in a box in the basement since 2008. But now - groupthink alert - We want World Peace Now....but let's go to war with Russia to start a war we can be against? Yikes.

Suddenly Trump is a war monger re: ISIS, Hitler-esque, birth control banning tyrant, evil woman hater and .....every other Boogie Man that motivates the frankly challenged in "History" and critical thinking DemBots that really still (insanely) think the Democrats are for "the little guy" and the Republicans are for "the mean old rich guys".

The worst thing anyone privileged to vote in America should be motivated by is to "feel good" (Clinton "I "feel" your pain). The best thing every one voting in USA should do is look at their damn paycheck stub (now only available online - ugh) to really see how mush Big Government - European Style - is costing them.

Things like paychecks do eventually fall apart folks. Worst possible model for USA was the Obama/Hillary push to "Be More Like Europe" to redistribute all that wealth of the elite - which - if you make over $40,000 a year you are a global member of now).

Remember Obama's and Dems failed Cap and Trade bill? Would have cost my family thousands of dollars to be allowed to sell our Madison WI house (specific electric outlets for electric autos installed in garages a requirement for selling a house? - we don't even have a garage - holy granoli).

I wasn't Trump (Cruz) but now that he's in - I am seeing so much clarity in events that signal how things might really become amazingly different in USA from Europe.

To me - this is a really good thing for many millions of Americans - waiting to see how it goes.



PianoLessons said...

To Michael K: I completely agree. Brown's comments and interviews are inspiring. Seriously.

Michael K said:

"Jim Brown, as others pointed out, is no pushover for politicians. I think it significant what he said about Trump."

Mac McConnell said...

Victoria, 11:15:

"I think Jim Brown is just thrilled that anyone actually thinks he is relevant. Really, Jim Brown?"

If the President Elect invites you to a private meeting, you're relevant. Anyone not knowing Jim Brown is a serious man, doesn't know Jim Brown.

tim in vermont said...

I have been in Cambridge the last few days. Hillary country. Just about everybody here seems pretty rich. The plutocrats were all on Hillary's side. We'll see what Trump does with a free hand. He owes them nothing.

Michael K said...

Just saying it makes me want to simultaneously pickup a "Stay out of the War" (WWII) sign as well as a "Second Front Now" sign so that, like Cookie, I would be prepared to turn my principles on a dime in order to support whatever that days narrative should be as determined by the Comintern!

Henry Kissinger (I think) long ago pointed out how the communists in Hollywood self identified when Hitler invaded the USSR. They flipped their stance on war 180 degrees in one day. It was easy.

Johnathan Birks said...

Worth it just to watch the CNN bimbo's head explode.

Mike said...

According to the Int'l Business Times Trump increased Republican share of the Black vote 33% in relative terms, from 6% in 2012 to 8% in 2016. (Note this, like Chuck's math, still requires comparing election years, so I still don't understand what he was on about earlier.)

That provides a raw vote increase of Black voters for Trump of about 350,000. This is enough to provide the margin for victory in some flipped states. I stand by my assertion that 33% increase for Republicans is a significant number for Trump. It certainly is a move in the right direction IMO.

mockturtle said...

And the data are all from exit polls and we know how accurate polls are.

Roy Lofquist said...

I once worked with a guy who had a short NFL career as a backup linebacker for the Washington Redskins. He said that people hated to play against Jim Brown. Brown didn't try to avoid tackles, he turned into them and punished the tackler. By the fourth quarter nobody wanted the plays to come their way.

Kinda reminds me of the orange guy.

mockturtle said...

Brown didn't try to avoid tackles, he turned into them and punished the tackler.

Kinda like Marshawn Lynch.