April 23, 2013

Boxing to blame for Boston bombing?

The battered brain of Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

169 comments:

Icepick said...

Because of all the football players and boxers that are always blowing stuff up in the name of sport?

Original Mike said...

Ahh, where would we be without "Think" Progress.

traditionalguy said...

Somebody arrest all boxers ASAP, especially the idiot kick boxers from the Octagon.

Than ban Olympic Boxing and reinstate Olympic Wrestling....wait a minute the younger one had Wrestler's Brain which actually makes one dangerous.

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Icepick said...

I mean, how often do we here stories of ex-NFL guys blowing up children with bombs? It seems like it happens five six times every day, right? And don't get me started on boxers ... they just walk around chewing peoples ears off as though they were candy.

Tibore said...

I was about to object that the article headline seemed to exaggerate things... but oddly enough, it turns out to make reasonable statements. The researches quoted came out and said they doubt that CTE is the cause, yet they're also saying it's a good idea to look anyway, just for medical science's sake.

"“Am I suggesting it because I think he has the disease? No,’’ Stern said. “But would it lead to a complete picture [of his brain]? Yes.’’


Cantu said, “If they don’t do it, something could be missed.’’"


I can get on board with that. It's an evenhanded suggestion in the end.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Should be easy enough to test this hypothesis. Just check for the level of correlation between boxing and terrorist acts. Then compare that to the correlation between his other interests and terrorist acts.

I'm sure they will be happy to follow the science wherever it leads.

Mitchell the Bat said...

To his credit, it's pretty obvious that the guy who wrote that thinks it's all a bunch of horseshit.

AprilApple said...


NOT ..Angry Islamic male inspired by other angry radical Islamic males to commit mass murder.
Anything but that.


John Lynch said...

Anything to take away choice.

edutcher said...

Boxers can barely think, let alone do much. Apparently, Lefty Baaston can't deal with the failure of the multi-culti tolerance and believes it's all their fault.

Better they worry about how Tamer but Lame met 6 times with militants in Dagestan.

Drago said...

There are apparently a helluva lot of boxers in the Islamic world.

exhelodrvr1 said...

If only we had glove registration!

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

But the reasoning behind mass killings like the Marathon bombing, are complex and often hard to understand

Eyes tightly shut.

chickelit said...

CTE was an immediate consideration in recent tragic deaths like the murder-suicide committed by Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher and the suicide of Hall of Fame linebacker Junior Seau.

Go ahead, do the scans. I doubt they'll be conclusive though. Longshot, really.

Nonapod said...

Gambling and generally impulsive behaviour has been linked to frequent head trauma.

Rocketeer said...

If we're going to start worrying about muslims who boxed and have CTE, we'd better put Muhammed Ali under 24/7 security surveillance.

Bruce Hayden said...

Yeh - let's blame anything but the obvious - Islamic Jihad. Sure there are extenuating circumstances why so many adherents of the Religion of Peace are involved on so much terrorism and violence. A religion that historically grew through violent conquest.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

How about the reverse. He was an angry and violent man who was drawn to boxing?

Tibore said...

Folks, the question being studied is not as the professor put it i.e. "Boxing to blame for Boston bombing?". It's whether chronic traumatic encephalopathy had any role in the rapid change of Tsarnaev's behavior. That's a lot broader of a question than specifically tying in CTE and the marathon bombing.

As one of the researchers said:

"“Is it possible that some changes might have gone on in his overall functioning due to his boxing and potentially related brain disease? Yes,’’ said Stern, a BU professor of neurology and neurosurgery. “Anything is possible. But to then jump to the disease leading to well-planned behavior like this, I couldn’t go there.’’ [...]

...But there are too many people who do such bizarre and terrible acts that it’s unlikely it’s all due to one terrorist gene or disease."


None of the researchers is saying that CTE is the actual cause of the bombing suspect's choice of actions. They're making a far more reasonable statement: Let's study his brain and see what it tells us about this individual. That's what the researchers are getting at.

Revenant said...

Tamerlan was punched so hard that his brother's brain got damaged, too.

That's a heck of a punch.

McTriumph said...

Everyone who has ever seriously bumped their heads has CTE.

Seeing Red said...

His name meant nothing at all....

It's all boxing.

Icepick said...

If we're going to start worrying about muslims who boxed and have CTE, we'd better put Muhammed Ali under 24/7 security surveillance.

With his shaky hands? Good luck making bombs with those!

Tamerlan was punched so hard that his brother's brain got damaged, too.

That's some clobberin'!

Lem said...

Though both doctors doubt that CTE caused the behavior that led to the bombings... "Anything is possible".

What a coincidence! The message is about that person's central obsession... the reason why somebody does what they do is because they eat meat.. or they don't eat meat... We have diseased brain boxers and he was a boxer.

Anything so as Not to hold people responsible for their actions... not anymore.

CEO-MMP said...

Don't Golden Gloves boxers all wear headgear?

David-2 said...

YNK. Consider Charles Whitman - who did indeed have a brain tumor. So it is possible.

Not likely though. I go with the simpler, blatantly-in-your-face, reason.

Renee said...

Many people in Lowell, would be offended by this!

Titus said...

I love the pics of older bro in gym.

He is hot. He is sweaty and unshaven and the hair on his chest is nicely distributed-just a dusting of hair-not too much or too little-just right. That's hot.

tits.

Lauderdale Vet said...

Surprised you haven't written about the Dzhokhar-Palmer connection yet (...or did I miss it?)

And now the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev poetry has begun

a poem for dzhokhar

a blog about “a poem for dzhokhar”

Scott M said...

Icepick beat me to it. I know thousands of boxers, football players, and football players that took up boxing.

Not a bomber among them.

Renee said...

From the Lowell Sun 2012

"In the West End Gym program, a partnership between the Lowell Police Department and Ramalho, youth are taken off the streets and into Ramalho's gym to learn how to train like a champion boxer.

Ramalho, a longtime Lowell trainer, has turned out Golden Gloves champion boxers.

From 2:30-4 p.m. throughout the year, more than a dozen youth descend upon the gym in an old South Lowell warehouse. They work with each other and about four volunteer trainers, who also have come from the streets and trained under Ramalho as boxers.

The young men and women, ranging in ethnic background and age, learn how to shadow-box, hit the heavy and speed bags, jog, do jumping jacks and strengthen their body. Some get to spar if they want.

School resource officers, Probation Department officers, and other partners like the Lowell Middlesex Academy Charter School, recommend potential candidates to Mercado and he meets with them and their parents.

They have to write a paragraph on why they think the program will benefit them, Mercado said.

And they have to commit."

James Pawlak said...

It appears that any excuse will be used. It might be well to state that his brain damage was by the simple reading of the Koran.

Illuninati said...

From what I have read, Tamerlan was one of the best boxers in Boston. He was too busy injuring other people's brains to be seriously injured himself.

His family were radical Islamists. It is my understanding that because of their activity in Russsia, they sought assylum here. Can we assume they have all had brain injuries?

AprilApple said...

The media are also skirting the Islamic issue by calling the men "religious".

Specifics? Who needs specifics?
Not from the news media...

BDNYC said...

Definitely wasn't Islam.

garage mahal said...

Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting.

Icepick said...

The media are also skirting the Islamic issue by calling the men "religious".

Specifics? Who needs specifics?


So you're telling me that Quakers don't run around bl;owing up children?

Come on, AprilApple, we all know that Quakers are just as homicidally dangerous as Followers of the Religion of Piece(s) (tm). Freakin' Quakers and their damned oats....

Icepick said...

Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting.

Turns out he was living in one of the most liberal communities in the nation. Interesting.

chrisnavin.com said...

Maybe he had low self-esteem and was bullied.

Maybe he got tired of all the anti-gay discrimination, as deep down below all the Chechen machismo and radical Islam and boxing, he was secretly flaming.

Maybe he was upset that his mother, as a home health-aide, wasn't allowed to unionize. Everyone deserves a living wage!

Maybe he was so traumatized by Sandy Hook, and the inability of our elected officials to pass Obama's shit sandwich gun law, he spiraled downwards.

***Osama Bin Laden just needed a hug.

Beorn said...

Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting.

And radical Islam, even more interesting...

Chuck66 said...

Well, indirectly Quakers are extremily dangerous. They want to force their pacifist lifestyle on me, preventing us from defending ourselves against terrorists that shall not be names.

Chuck66 said...

And to think, the mayor of Boston is trying to ban Chik-fa-la (or however it is spelled) banned from opening in Boston because the owner is a Bibical Christian. He knows who the real enemy of society is.

Icepick said...

Well, indirectly Quakers are extremely dangerous

Then just ball up your fist and whack 'em upside the head. If they're real Quakers, they'll take it. If they're fake Quakers, better to find out sooner rather than later!

Of course, either way you are contributing to CTE, and thus to the bombing of marathons.

Chuck66 said...

Icepick, my point is...if modern day Quackers have their way, we wouldn't have a military. Or a CIA. Or an FBI.

Icepick said...

He knows who the real enemy of society is.

Well, no shit. I'll bet he'll be calling for bringing in a few hundred thousand Chechens next. You know, to show tolerance for the Teh Gays and people without legs.

Icepick said...

Icepick, my point is...if modern day Quackers have their way, we wouldn't have a military. Or a CIA. Or an FBI.

And my point is, ball up your fist and whack 'em upside the head.

Carol said...

Maybe he was on steroids and other PEDs.

Chuck66 said...

Ice, sometimes I am tempted. That is the difference between pacifist Amish and pacifist Quakers. The first humble just live their lifestyle and beliefs. That latter try to force their views on me and society.

Icepick said...

Maybe he was on steroids and other PEDs.

Maybe he was under a lot of pressure to maintain just the right amount of chest hair, per Titus. All those decisions to make on just which follicles to tweeze drove him chest-hair-pluckin' insane.

Or maybe he just HATED Betty Crocker....

chrisnavin.com said...

Icepick, you don't want to mess with Quaker fakers, it's like going out for a night on the town with wilding Amish.

Or as I submit, simply drinking with an Australian

Hagar said...

Personality changes due to brain injury from impact, drug use, or disease are not uncommon, and Tamerlan appears to have been a fairly normal young man who somehow turned dark. It could be interesting to see if there are any signs of such abnormalities in his brain, and they no doubt are doing a thorough autopsy anyway.

Rusty said...

Titus said...
I love the pics of older bro in gym.

He is hot. He is sweaty and unshaven and the hair on his chest is nicely distributed-just a dusting of hair-not too much or too little-just right. That's hot.

tits.

4/23/13, 3:39 PM

I'm sure if you give the morgue attendant a couple of bucks he'll give you a few minutes with the corpse.

Revenant said...

Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting.

The word that springs to mind when I hear that one truther likes another truther is "duh", not "interesting".

But to each his own. :)

Icepick said...

Or as I submit, simply drinking with an Australian

Holy crap, anything but that!

Amartel said...

"I'm sure if you give the morgue attendant a couple of bucks he'll give you a few minutes with the corpse."

Haha. Attention Muslim fundamentalists: While you're maybe meeting up with the virgins in heaven, your carcass will be meeting up with pervy homersexyoual Amurkins at the morgue. America, fuck yeah!

Methadras said...

I think being a Leftard causes brain damage. Truly. Leftists are the dumbest people on earth, especially the ones here in the states.

phx said...

If you believe a tumor was or might have been responsible for Charles Whitman's murders, why not brain injuries from boxing?

Icepick said...

Attention Muslim fundamentalists: While you're maybe meeting up with the virgins in heaven, your carcass will be meeting up with pervy homersexyoual Amurkins at the morgue. America, fuck yeah!

Man, and remember how pissed they were when some soldiers, er, pissed on some of their dumb-assed corpses.

Hagar said...

You guys are making asses of yourselves.

edutcher said...

Illuninati said...

From what I have read, Tamerlan was one of the best boxers in Boston. He was too busy injuring other people's brains to be seriously injured himself.

His family were radical Islamists. It is my understanding that because of their activity in Russsia, they sought assylum here. Can we assume they have all had brain injuries?


If only caused by adherence to Islam.

Icepick said...

You guys are making asses of yourselves.

Just now?!!? Then we've all been doing this intertubes thing wrong for years now....

ironrailsironweights said...

One thing that doesn't make sense is the claim that he quit boxing because it was incompatible with Islam. He never heard of Muhammed Ali?

Peter

JAL said...

Then just ball up your fist and whack 'em upside the head. If they're real Quakers, they'll take it. If they're fake Quakers, better to find out sooner rather than later!

My high school teams were the "Quakers."

One of the cheers of our cute cheerleaders did was "Fight! Quakers! Fight!"

So be careful.

Lem said...

Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting.

Well, I guess we got to take down the first amendment... or should we wait until we finish off the second first?

JAL said...

Did anyone care about McVeigh's family life or sports? Anyone care about why handsome Ted Bundy murdered? Try to explain and defend him?

The Boston guys blew three people apart -- young people -- and ripped limbs off scores of others and some people want to find an excuse?

Feel the hate guys.

Splaining it away will not make it stop.

AprilApple said...

From the link:
“Is it possible that some changes might have gone on in his overall functioning due to his boxing and potentially related brain disease? Yes,’’ said Stern, a BU professor of neurology and neurosurgery. “Anything is possible. But to then jump to the disease leading to well-planned behavior like this, I couldn’t go there.’’ [...]

“We can’t think of their brains as being normal,’’ he said. “But there are too many people who do such bizarre and terrible acts that it’s unlikely it’s all due to one terrorist gene or disease.’’

ya think?

AprilApple said...

More from the link:
Media accounts have chronicled rapid behavioral changes Tsarnaev experienced in his early 20s, and most have attributed those changes to his renewed commitment to Islam. Finding religion led Tsarnaev to give up boxing, alcohol, and smoking, according to the accounts, and he also took a six-month trip to his native Russia, posted radical videos posted on YouTube, and lost the man who was reportedly his best friend in a grisly triple murder in 2011. These are all plausible factors that might help explain his motives, and they’re all worthy of investigation.

AprilApple said...

Alex Jones is the original 9/11 troofer. Kinda killed his credibility there. But he is free to do so!

dc said...

Finding CTE in an individual who has committed a violent act hardly proves correlation.
Wouldn't you first have to prove that extreme violence is more likely in people with CTE.
Have srudies shown that?

Icepick said...

Or how about this for a medical line of investigation: Chechens are known for their gangsterism and terrorism. There's only about 2 million of them (IIRC), and yet they've been responsible for an inordinate amount the crime and terrorism in the former Soviet Union, including two of the more spectacular terror attacks ever. (Obviously not on par with what happened on 9/11/2001, but the Beslan attack and the attack on the movie theatre in Moscow were pretty spectacular.) Not only that, but Chechens apparently have some ... INTERESTING ... cultural practices, and were insane enough to take on both Stalin and Stalin's heirs.

Which is to say, they've got more than their fair share of homicidal tendencies.

Some ethnic groups are known to have higher levels of testosterone than others. Higher levels of T are associated with risky, impulsive decision making, as well as an increased propensity for violence. Has anyone done a study of Chechens to determine exactly how high their T levels are compared to other ethnic groups? Has anyone thought to check the T levels in either Tamerlan or Joker to figure out if they're higher than what would be expected for men of their age?

This has the added benefit of explaining how it would affect both men, whereas it is pretty much impossible to explain how Tamerlan's brain damage has affected the behavior of his younger brother.

(I'll note that Joker's comments that his brother did all the planning and such is really damned CONVENIENT, and has all the moral weight of "We were just following orders.")

Icepick said...

One of the cheers of our cute cheerleaders did was "Fight! Quakers! Fight!"

Yeah, but were your teams any good? If you sucked, the cheer doesn't carry much weight.

tiger said...

F*cking allah what a load of crap.

Nomennovum said...

If only there were some clear and obvious clue as to motive, some trait held in common by 90% of all terrorists, some underlying system of beliefs, a common cultural trait, some deeply-held faith in something … supernatural, maybe.

Alas! My greatest fear is that, despite our heroic investigatory efforts, we shall remain forever in the dark with these tragically sad and unfortunate events. But I hope we find something.

Insha'Allah.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

garage mahal said...

Alex Jones is the original 9/11 troofer. Kinda killed his credibility there

Drudge has been Alex Jones biggest booster in the media. Ted Nugent, Lou Dobbs, Andrew Napolitano, Ron Paul, Rand Paul have all appeared regularly on Jones radio show.

Icepick said...

I'll also note that the worst cases of violence I've heard associated with CTE were all spontaneous in nature and were frequently fueled by drugs or alcohol. I'd be happy to hear of cases that run counter to what I just wrote.

Given the cases I do know about (and suspicions about the Chris Benoit case from a few years back) Tamerlan giving up on drugs and alcohol and planning a bombing spree do NOT sound like hallmarks of CTE. (Have the earlier reports that the brothers were planning on committing more bombings been confirmed?)

chrisnavin.com said...

I am just a poor boy though my story's seldom told.

Icepick said...

Ted Nugent, Lou Dobbs, Andrew Napolitano, Ron Paul, Rand Paul have all appeared regularly on Jones radio show.

And Obama started his political career in the house of people that did what the Tsarnaev brothers did, only less successfully. I mean, if we're going to go all guilt by association and whatnot.

Rusty said...

Does some one with this type of trauma have the fine motor skills to build a bomb? Let alone multiple bombs? can they plan a sophisticated terrorist attack?

Revenant said...

Ted Nugent, Lou Dobbs, Andrew Napolitano, Ron Paul, Rand Paul have all appeared regularly on Jones radio show.

And?

David said...

This makes a lot of sense, since so many other boxers have become mass murderers in their 20's.

garage mahal said...

And?

Nothing really. Those people I listed [and Drudge and Fox News] apparently like crackpot conspiracy theorista like Alex Jones. Shouldn't be surprising.

Revenant said...

Nothing really. Left-wing media outfits like CNN and MSNBC apparently like crackpot conspiracy theorista like Alex Jones.

Fixed that for ya. :)

BaltoHvar said...

So the autopsy begins, and as the clothing is removed Subha beads fall out of #1's pocket. Then the coconut is cracked and the "brain" shows signs of CTE or a Whitman Tumor.

Does either of these findings matter as evidence to either side of #2's Trial?

garage mahal said...

Fixed that for ya. :)

I think you just made that up for me.

Bryan C said...

"Everyone who has ever seriously bumped their heads has CTE"

Fortunately all ill effects can be reversed instantly by administering another blow to the head. This works especially well with amnesia.

Methadras said...

phx said...

If you believe a tumor was or might have been responsible for Charles Whitman's murders, why not brain injuries from boxing?


Because clearly this filthy sub-human animal didn't box enough to make it matter. Although he was an expert at exerting his skills onto women's faces.

Methadras said...

JAL said...

Did anyone care about McVeigh's family life or sports? Anyone care about why handsome Ted Bundy murdered? Try to explain and defend him?

The Boston guys blew three people apart -- young people -- and ripped limbs off scores of others and some people want to find an excuse?

Feel the hate guys.

Splaining it away will not make it stop.


You are asking leftards to not use motives as an excuse to commit terror and murder. ROFL. That's like asking the sun to stop shedding heat. Their entire lives are based on the questions of moral equivalencies amongst others.

Methadras said...

tiger said...

F*cking allah what a load of crap.


Try telling a Muslim that Allah is really is really a moongod or that Allah isn't the God of Abraham and watch the batshit crazy happen. Little do those ignorant sub-humans, every single one of them, that call themselves Muslims, realize that they can't even get who they are worshiping correctly.

chickelit said...

I'm sure if you give the morgue attendant a couple of bucks he'll give you a few minutes with the corpse.

There are lots and lots of new holes and gashes in #1's pretty corpse for Titus to explore.

Æthelflæd said...

I am enjoying the beautiful weather at spring football practice watching my son train to be a terrorist.

Revenant said...

I think you just made that up for me.

Not at all. Alex Jones is a regular guest on CNN and MSNBC. Why, Piers Morgan treats him as a chief spokesman for gun rights.

Apparently mainstream left-wing journalists consider Jones to be a figure worthy of being taken seriously. Who are we to argue? :)

Coketown said...

This is the most absurd horseshit I have ever read. Boxing is not to blame for Tsarnaev's actions. Pressure cookers are. If they hadn't been available, they would not have been used in the attack. People need to be screened before accessing these high-capacity appliances, and Target should be ashamed of itself. Maureen Dowd, take it from here: Shame the populace into submission. Shame. Shame. Shame. And blame!

Blame pressure cookers! Not boxing. And certainly not Tamerlan Tsarnaev himself. As a progressive society, we need to annihilate all notions of individual agency, and reduce excuse unwanted behavior as pathological anomalies.

My local police station is having a pressure cooker buy-back. I am off to do the patriotic thing and turn it in.

rhhardin said...

Hubble, singlehandedly responsible for the current explosion of the universe, was a boxer.

Coketown said...

Alex Jones is batshit fucking crazy. He makes me look stable and articulate.

Matt said...
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Revenant said...

Try telling a Muslim that Allah is really is really a moongod or that Allah isn't the God of Abraham and watch the batshit crazy happen.

For bonus points, find a Jew or Christian and remind them that the god of Abraham acknowledged that gods other than him existed. :)

Methadras said...

Revenant said...

Try telling a Muslim that Allah is really is really a moongod or that Allah isn't the God of Abraham and watch the batshit crazy happen.

For bonus points, find a Jew or Christian and remind them that the god of Abraham acknowledged that gods other than him existed. :)


I have and I've had lengthy conversation about it as well. It's in the commandments, however, no one I know would outwardly discuss it. After thousands of years, it is accepted that the Christian god is the only God. He clearly got his wish.

However, if you read it in Deuteronomy 5:7 you can see that God is setting it up the Israelites that he should be the only god for them and they clearly accepted it. Considering the Paganism of that time, not to mention the distinctions between the Egyptian and Greek pantheons, it would be in his best interests to have it that way.

ironrailsironweights said...

Another thing to note is that as an amateur boxer Tamerlan would have worn headgear for all his fights. Headgear is not foolproof but does provide some measure of protection against brain injury. Amateur fights also are only three rounds in length, which is a round shorter than the shortest professional fights. Finally, because scoring in amateur boxing is based largely on a simple count of punches landed, without much regard to how hard the punches may be, amateur boxers don't throw hard knockout punches anywhere near as often as the pros.

Peter

AprilApple said...

My local police station is having a pressure cooker buy-back. I am off to do the patriotic thing and turn it in.

I salute your patriotism.

Drago said...

Revenant: "For bonus points, find a Jew or Christian and remind them that the god of Abraham acknowledged that gods other than him existed. :)"

...and...what?

Yeah, because "confronting" Jews and Christians elicits a "cut your head off reaction".

How......courageous.

Revenant said...
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Revenant said...

After thousands of years, it is accepted that the Christian god is the only God. He clearly got his wish.

Accepted by around 1/3 of humanity and rejected by the other 2/3. Although if you acknowledge that Muslims worship the same god as Christians that's more like 50/50.

Deuteronomy 5:7

Akin to the pledge of allegiance, really. A statement of where the loyalties of the people should be, not a denial of the existence of alternatives.

Revenant said...

Yeah, because "confronting" Jews and Christians elicits a "cut your head off reaction".

Translation: SQUIRREL!

elkh1 said...

Revenant said...Piers Morgan treats him as a chief spokesman for gun rights.

Coketown said...
Alex Jones is batshit fucking crazy.

Revenant said...Apparently mainstream left-wing journalists consider Jones to be a figure worthy of being taken seriously.

Not really, the journolistas' message is "gun rights" are "batshit fucking crazy".

Drago said...

Revenant: "Translation: SQUIRREL"

Hardly.

I was merely piling on to your piling on to Methadras' comment.

If it's "SQUIRREL" then it's only one following yours.

Why didn't you call "squirrel" (caps not necessary) on yourself?

I guess introspection isn't your strong suit.

Lem said...
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Lem said...

Hubble saw stars with and without the telescope.

MadisonMan said...

Second thoughts from the younger brother.

Inga said...

Is that the same crazy Alex Jones that was a frequent guest on the Judge Andrew Napolitano show on FOX a couple years back?

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Inga said...

Wow, I didn't know Alex Jones and Drudge were buddies.

Revenant said...

I was merely piling on to your piling on to Methadras' comment

You were dragging out the boring old canard about how criticizing Islam takes more courage than criticizing Christianity. As if either one required ANY form of courage from Americans posting anonymously on the Internet.

Methadras painted Muslims as ignorant of the ancient origins of their god. I simply pointed out that Christians and Jews are similarly ignorant of the ancient origins of their god.

chickelit said...

Who is Alex Jones and why should I care?

Because garage says so?

Reginga and her coterie are on a personal mission to discredit, Drudge, Fox News, Limbaugh et al.

Lem said...

MM had me going there for a minute... I was like OMG he is going to walk... just like I thought... just like I thought.

And then I looked up at the source and my fear rate was restored to normal.

Titus said...

Going 9 rounds with Tamerlan make me fucking horny.

tits.

Lem said...

Who is Alex Jones and why should I care?

He is a combination of Michael Savage and Art Bell on steroids.

Harmless.

Mark said...

The media are also skirting the Islamic issue by calling the men "religious".

Baptist, Quaker, Episcopalian, Catholic, Jihadist. At this point what difference does it make?

furious_a said...

Blame pressure cookers! Not boxing. And certainly not Tamerlan Tsarnaev himself.

"You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society!"
--Moe Szyszlak

Titus said...

Tamerlan has so many hot looks:

Tamerlan boxing

Tamerlan decked out in scarf, fab shades and white shoes looking so downtown and amazingly fucking hot

Tamerlan shirtless

Tamerlan stretching

Tamerlan in car video making fun of his peeps with beautiful pronounced nose, amazing mouth and glorious cheekbones

Tamerlan, I want you and love you.

tits.

Inga said...

Titus, he's dead.

William said...

It would be interested in finding out his blood sugar and cholesterol levels. My guess is that they were elevated and that these exacerbated the effects of chronic brain trauma. I think Big Gulps and Big Macs played their parts in this tragedy.

John Cunningham said...

watch the Party media go allout to exonerate the Bomb Brothers--it was due to white racism; islamophobia; a plot by Mossad; we had it coming. of course, in reality, it was the standard SJS--Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

Lem said...

Blame pressure cookers! Not boxing. And certainly not Tamerlan Tsarnaev himself.

Well, if you look at pressure cookers, what is a pressure cooker? but an artifact of a bygone era when the men ruled the world and women were slaves...

One day, the rice was burned, again, so a man named Saron Ricin went and invented a pressure cooker and the cooker saved the women some time. Time was a luxury at enslavement camp, the so called kitchen, where they were kept barefoot and pregnant... and now they had some time to watch a soap opera or two.

But you see, the pressure cooker was a trick. For now it only meant that the women would have less of an excuse not to perform their wifely duties... and the cooking continued, relentless, while the women were dying inside.

And so it was, that, at the Boston Marathon, on this past April 15th, that the crock pot and the pressure cooker were exposed for the fraud that they have represented... A tool for the enslavement of women.

You see, when the brave bombers blew up those crock pots, they were sending a message of liberation to hundreds... thousands... millions of women all around the world.

These Boston crock pot bombers were a gift to women.

Lem said...

What?

Was I wrong?

The time frame is little off?

whoresoftheinternet said...

I'm sure Freeman Cunt will be in here shortly to tell us all how their murdering of a woman was FAR WORSE than their murdering of an 8-year-old boy.

Sisterhood before all, bitches!

Enjoy the decline, feminazis!

Titus said...

I know he is dead Inga. But what a fucking waste.

A hot man has died.

This is devastating to me and my brethen or something like that.

He had so many more erections and loads to splew.

It is so fucking tragic.

He lived 10 blocks from me and I only wish I could of relieved him from his splew.

So fucking sad.

tits.

Inga said...

Gee, I feel neglected.

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Titus said...

Inga, do you understand how fucking incredibly hot these brothers are?

They are incredibly hot.

I mean white fucking hot.

They are physically beautiful. Check out their eyes, lips, noses, eyebrows, hair. They were fucking amazing and so exceptionally beautiful.

tits.

Inga said...

Yeah sure Titus, whatevah.

I meant I feel neglected from Whores, not you, lol.

jr565 said...

So why did they become radicalized? because they were against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Again, they hate us for our policies. Standard lefty boilerplate arguments.
Now suppose they were going to pretty much any college in this country and surrounding themselves with the bush lied people died, 9/11 was an inside job, there is no terrorist threat, Bush is the real terrorist crowd.

Oh, wait. They did attend college and most likely were exposed to that rhetoric.

If Tamerlane is becoming more radical in his Islamist, he certainly was given an awful lot of ammunition from the left that would enforce his view that America was the Great Satan. Because that's how the left has viewed Amerikka since the 60's. and certainly during Bush's term. And certainly during the War on terror.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

chickelit said...

@Titus: Both brothers would rather have blown your your legs off than have blown you.

Grow the fuck up.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Alex Jones harassed Michele Malkin in Denver not too long ago.

There's video all over the place.

Jones is a disturbing freak someone should punch when his acting out becomes threatening in the name of anticipatory retaliation and personal security.

jr565 said...

If boxing caused tamerlan to become radical, what caused his younger brother to become radical in the same way? Did he have a boxing career I wasn't aware of? Did tamerlan go home and use his face like a punching bag to train, so his brain was damaged the same way?

Alex said...

Desperately searching for any reason but Islam.

bagoh20 said...

"what caused his younger brother to become radical in the same way?"

Maybe this CTE stuff is contagious. I mean if you look at it, nearly everyone who gets it has been in close physical contact with someone else that has it. Then again, it's the same with Islamic Crazy Ass Murdering Nutjobism (ICAMN).

Tough call.

Alex said...

The left has become a sad parody of itself. The American people are rejecting leftism.

furious_a said...

Boxing to blame? How about welfare?

[Mass.] State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits.

Mark said...

And titus, I guess batshit crazy doesn't play a role in your fantasies?

Or maybe the batshit adds to the hotness?

You're such a prog.

Lem said...

This is devastating to me and my brethen or something like that.

Titus is pulling both your legs.

Lem said...

Alex Jones harassed Michele Malkin in Denver not too long ago.

Didn't know about that incident... just saw the video and I found Jones behavior as that of an intolerant bully.

Makes me want to say I'm sorry I've ever paid any attention to him... not because I'm not interested in dissent... Dissent is the check on the path towards the better direction... when there is no dissent, that's not good, and there is a good chance that something might be very wrong.

But there also civility, in the other hand, of the hand in hand with the message... And if you cant be civil, it could be because your message is so full of holes that you have no respect for it.

Its just puffery showmanship assbaggery.

Rusty said...

Titus. You're obsessing like a 16 year old girl.

Robert Cook said...

Hagar said:

"You guys are making asses of yourselves."

Ummm...this is their daily activity here.They're dedicated to it!

Epiphyte - said...

"Turns out this guy was a big fan of Alex Jones. Interesting."

Alex Jones is a troofer and conspiracy theorist of the 1st order - all things which play very well into the particular pathologies of the islamic mind. And btw, trooferism has been, by in large, a liberal sickness (at least during the Bush admin.).

Robert Cook said...

"Did anyone care about McVeigh's family life or sports? Anyone care about why handsome Ted Bundy murdered? Try to explain and defend him?"

In fact, the FBI studies the personal histories and psychological profiles of all manner of violent criminals, in an effort to understand them and to discern, to the degree possible, if there are are any common or identifiable triggering factors behind their behaviors. You can bet Bundy's life and childhood has been closely studied, both before and after his execution.

Such endeavors are not made in defense of the respective offenders, but simply to understand them, the better to understand all those like them who will be committing offenses in the future. If we can understand them we have a better chance of apprehending them.

It's very primitive thinking to assume the effort to understand behavior is an effort to justify or defend that behavior.

HA said...

Tamerlan was his mother's son. She is a muslim psycho and so was he. The "reasoning" behind this bomber is simple and easy to understand except to those determined not to.

http://tinyurl.com/c9smxjl

pm317 said...

Hey, where is Althouse? No new posts since late afternoon yesterday..

Tom said...

Prof. Althouse, I’d like to to discuss Rand Paul's comments on domestic use of drones. I know this isn't the correct topic for this post, but I hope you comment on it. I'm afraid that a clear strategy the left (and some of the right) will use to destroy Paul is because many of his positions are nuanced. We saw this with his comments Civil Rights Act’s effect on private enterprise and again we see it here with his comments on drones. The logical fallacy of, "if you're not for this, you're for that," will be used continually against him. Some of his dad’s nuttier supports don’t help this. Further, he doesn't have a lot of other politicians that will defend him or help clarify his points. So hopefully we can discuss it. Thanks!

Tank said...

Anything but the truth. We have invited a vibrant and diverse group of Islamic Jihadists into our country and they want to kill us.

The solution: a comprehensive plan to permanently allow them to stay and continue to add vibrancy and diversity, which is our strength.

Kelly said...

An acquaintance said he had heard Tamerlane go on anti American/911 rants on more then one occasion. When asked why he didn't turn him in he said it's because of all the anti Muslim sentiment. Plus, it was Cambridge, many people talk that way, Christian and Muslim so it wasn't all that unusual.

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X said...

47%er immigrant muslim, so obviously it's time to repeal the 2nd amendment, just like it always is according to the left.

X said...

and raise taxes too.

Robert Cook said...

"An acquaintance said he had heard Tamerlane go on anti American/911 rants on more then one occasion. When asked why he didn't turn him in he said it's because of all the anti Muslim sentiment. Plus, it was Cambridge, many people talk that way, Christian and Muslim so it wasn't all that unusual."

What does "anti-American/911 rants" mean? What was the substance of his rants? Did he express a desire to inflict violence? Did he merely criticize the government for its policies and behavior, abroad or domestically? Did he express overt support for the violent actions and goals of Islamic terrorists?

Many here criticize the American government--often vehemently, and from opposing political perspectives. Should criticism of America's government or behavior--absent any expressed wish or intent to cause harm--be considered suspicious such that it should it be reported to the authorities?

jr565 said...

Was a Bill Ayres all that different than your average 60's radical? Other than that he took his action further?
But if you asked WHY he bombed the various govt buildings he'd tell you a view of America that most 60's radicals shared.
So too with the Left now. Tamerlan was a Muslim fundamentalist, but he was also steeped in anti American leftism I'm sure. He too thought bush was the REAL terrorist. He too thought fire doesn't melt steel just like Rosie O'Donnell. Thy might disagree with the solution (namely socialism versus Islamism) but they were both in agreement with the target of their Anger.
America. Racist America. Decadent America, imperialist America. America as the source of evil in the world.
Certainly not America the exceptional.

Robert Cook said...

"He too thought bush was the REAL terrorist."

Well, certainly Bush was A terrorist. And a murderer. As is Obama.

chickelit said...

What does "anti-American/911 rants" mean? What was the substance of his rants? Did he express a desire to inflict violence? Did he merely criticize the government for its policies and behavior, abroad or domestically? Did he express overt support for the violent actions and goals of Islamic terrorists?

I see it as sort of a pre-existing state in the progression of a disease. Many expressing rabid anti-Americanism thoughts are able to hold it in check. Others snap. Are you that willfully obtuse, Robert Cook?

chickelit said...

It's the "If I Had A Rocket Launcher" syndrome. More common that you admit.

jr565 said...

Kelly wrote:

An acquaintance said he had heard Tamerlane go on anti American/911 rants on more then one occasion. When asked why he didn't turn him in he said it's because of all the anti Muslim sentiment. Plus, it was Cambridge, many people talk that way, Christian and Muslim so it wasn't all that unusual.

exactly! Bolded part. Only it's leaving out the leftist secularists who most assuredly talked that way. Again, the lefts views aren't all that different from Tamerlans when it comes to Amerikkka.

Robert Cook said...

"I see it as sort of a pre-existing state in the progression of a disease. Many expressing rabid anti-Americanism thoughts are able to hold it in check. Others snap. Are you that willfully obtuse, Robert Cook?"

Your insult doesn't answer the question. What was the nature of Tamerlane's anti-American rants? More to the point: Does any criticism of America warrant suspicion? Must we all now fear that any opinions we express that are not wholeheartedly in agreement with the American orthodoxy will be reported to the authorities, or that such remarks will bring about an investigation of us?

If we infer from the description of Tamerlane's remarks that they were "like" the criticisms of many others in Cambridge, then we must assume either that everyone in Cambridge is declaring their wish to inflict violence on America (or that they support such efforts), or, more likely, that he echoed the entirely legitimate (non-violence-wishing) criticisms that many Cambridge citizens probably have about the government.


So: does anyone know whether Tamerlane's rants were violent and threatening in nature?

Scientific Socialist said...

If it were possible to perform an autopsy on a living person, examination of the brain of the author of the "Think Progress" boxing blog post might yield fascinating insights into the workings of the insane mind.

Michael McNeil said...

After thousands of years, it is accepted that the Christian god is the only God.

Nah. It's a simple redefinition of terms, in accordance with the Christian mythos: the term “god[s]” becomes “God” the Creator and pervasive “deity-ific” presence in the Universe — while the (formerly known as) gods are not denied per se but rather relegated to being demons in the Xtian system.

Look at Hinduism for analogies. Shiva/Vishnu is the (basically) monotheistic God of the Cosmos (Vishnu's dream is the world we experience) — while the so-called gods of Hinduism are so far down the ladder from that that they might as well be dust by comparison. (See the “Parade of Ants” myth about Indra the king of the “gods” for vivid illustration.)

Michael McNeil said...

The Hindu “Parade of Ants” myth.

Methadras said...

Revenant said...

Accepted by around 1/3 of humanity and rejected by the other 2/3. Although if you acknowledge that Muslims worship the same god as Christians that's more like 50/50.


That's fine. Frankly, muslims are repugnant offal that have little to zero merit in this world or any other. Should they cease to exist tomorrow, the world would cheer and be a better place. They can have their moon god and death cult religion. The other third no one gives two shits about because they still live in an 8th world shit hole with no sign of improvement.

Deuteronomy 5:7

Akin to the pledge of allegiance, really. A statement of where the loyalties of the people should be, not a denial of the existence of alternatives.


I think that's a matter of opinion When you set up, in your own words, and allegiance of this kind and the those that you want it with accept it, then frankly everything else or any other gods become a non-issue. Israelites of that time became monotheistic and considering that God decided he would bet on them to have a larger reach through and then through his Son would see non-jews come to the him of their own free will is saying something of willful exclusivity. Whether other gods exist is irrelevant considering that without worshipers, they evaporate into antiquity and obsolescence. Conversely, Hindu's have what, upwards of 300 million gods or 100 gods. Gods for everything, which in turn makes them useless even if they are some perceived facet of a singular god.

I'd rather take the known. The rest of the unwashed masses can have the crumbs.

Methadras said...

Revenant said...

Methadras painted Muslims as ignorant of the ancient origins of their god. I simply pointed out that Christians and Jews are similarly ignorant of the ancient origins of their god.


Compare and contrast the levels of ignorance of muslims vs. christians. Would you prefer living in the US or the ME. You live as in irreligious person an agnostic or even an atheist in this country. You can live as a believer of any kind or a non-believer of any kind in this country. It is Christendom that has paved the way for this. In the ME it is self-evident what would happen.

Methadras said...

Tank said...

Anything but the truth. We have invited a vibrant and diverse group of Islamic Jihadists into our country and they want to kill us.

The solution: a comprehensive plan to permanently allow them to stay and continue to add vibrancy and diversity, which is our strength.


Multi-culturalism as a functional outgrowth of political correctness from decades of leftist indoctrination and inculcation in our public school system and through the activities of 5th columnist Marxist implants in the halls of government has brought us to this stage. It has been a long and successive campaign to target the US. You are seeing it as it unfolds.